Guild Wars 2

Player Character.9467:

This

oh and this

For it to do the crazy damage it does it still needs some warrior support. So its not that good solo, still powerful though.

Player Character.9467:

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Broadicea.8294:

ugh it’s sooooo difficult to find a non warr/mes party

http://youtu.be/1nCWHb8JamU

[thanks neigeux!]

lol, thats a lot quicker then it takes for me to find zerker groups :p (might be my timezone though >>) Thanks for making this video… will prove useful for later threads I bet lol.

How long does it normally take you? Last time I bothered to grab pugs for cof p1 I had 5 join requests b4 I tabbed back…

Normally takes me 2-3min. No joke…im not sure if its my timezone or i always get unlucky :/

Broadicea.8294:

ugh it’s sooooo difficult to find a non warr/mes party

http://youtu.be/1nCWHb8JamU

[thanks neigeux!]

lol, thats a lot quicker then it takes for me to find zerker groups :p (might be my timezone though >>) Thanks for making this video… will prove useful for later threads I bet lol.

Dont forget to make them invulnerable for 30sec after they spawn! Or else it wouldn’t be fun.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Wukunlin.8461:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nerf-TA-F-U
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-Where-did-all-the-spiders-come-from
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Please-FIX-the-dungeon-Boss-Encounters
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-F-U-boss-solo
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-naked-edition
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-path-fwd-up
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-Final-Boss-Question-Problem
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Nice-TA-path3-kitten-up-there
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/TA-F-U-spiders-change
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Issue-with-Twilight-Arbor-last-path
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-EXP-Forward-Up

what laharl said basically

I see a recurring theme here.

Care to explain? i cant quite put my finger on it…

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Wukunlin.8461:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’m not saying he’s off topic. I’m saying he’s changing the subject. The topic is still DPS.

my brain

Since apparently multiple people don’t understand what is going on, I’ll elaborate. His counter-point is that not every class can run a high damage build because not every class has good support skills. This is attempting to distract from the point that all classes can, indeed, do damage. Now they are attempting to discuss how it is the support skills can make one class more viable than another class, still attempting to distract from the point. The point being that all classes can do high damage. Period.

The OP asked which class can do the best damage, and since warrior both have good damage and a lot of offensive support, they do the most alone. Compared to theives which do more single target damage IF they are buffed (supported) by a warrior through might/furry/banners. So support is important since warriors use their (offensive) support abilities to boost their damage

Wukunlin.8461:

inb4 ranger groups

*and 1 warrior, for the banners to boost ranger DPS, cant forget that.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I’m not saying he’s off topic. I’m saying he’s changing the subject. The topic is still DPS.

wat… /facedesk

aophts.9862:

So, i need a guild that acts like a family, the entire day to play the game, friends and luck? Legendaries are truly ridiculous to craft, jesus.

When i was farming for my legendaries i started without a guild and literally no one on my friends list, i was also farming with a condition necro. Once i got my mesmer in full zerker and started doing the speed runs i just added people that i found friendly/good speed clearers of the dungeon. After a couple weeks of doing this i had a solid friends list of people to join in on that i knew were both good and fun to play with. This led to not only faster forming of runs, but also faster runs and more enjoyable runs. So thats what i did without a guild. (farmed for 3 months like this :s)

Pretty impressive, good job guys.

Wukunlin.8461:

I agree with you but back to the title of this thread, I think we need to ask a serious question:

Does a pug-unfriendly boss fight mean it deserves a nerf?

My personal answer is no. Too many encounters have been changed unnecessarily and were probably because people complained their pug groups couldn’t do it.

Ya pretty much this, even though this boss can be tough in pugs that dont have/dont know they have reflect skills it doesn’t mean the boss needs to be nerfed. If everything becomes a faceroll with every class and 0 group coordination.. dungeons will become so easy and boring they will suck

Bismuth.3165:

I thought guardians are supposed to run full support on fractals? and doesn’t everything has it’s own situations, zerker is usually for players who really know how to play dungeons and not die, pvt is for people who don’t know or squishy classes, I mean, if these people go full zerk, they’ll die really quickly, and most of the dungeon will be 4 manned, but if they go pvt, their survivability will increase and will not die as much, I mean, that’s more helpful to the party, though they will probably do 1/2 of the zerk damage, it’s better than dying when boss is 80%hp.

Just a random note, squishy classes is not relly an excuse, if the player is strong enough even an ele can run full zerker. It all comes down to the players dodging skills and the group support around him.

Dolan.3071:

Shame. I run Runes of Lyssa, guess that makes me a scrub who gets double precision from his Runes compared to Ruby Orbs, and a substantial more than Scholar Runes. And really when I start noticing my crit rate drop when my nourishment buffs start wearing off (dropping below 98%) then I can’t imagine how abysmal the crit rate and resulting DPS loss would be with those runes. But hey, maybe as a scrub I’m just unlucky in that department.

remember scholar is +10% dmg… thats much better then a bit more cirt chance >.<

Ballads.2509:

colesy.8490:

Stop denying they are wrong or inefficient.

I don’t care if people are running scrub builds or gear as long as they are :

1. aware that their gear is bad
2. aware that they are leeching off their team

But PVT carebears think their gear is actually good. That is the problem.

How far do you take it tho?If not running food and utility are you leaching off your team? If your running rubies instead of scholar are you leaching off your team? If your not 6/6 ascended are you leaching off your team? If you dont have all 6/6 5power/5ar infusions are you leaching off your team? I mean where is the line lol?

I cant speak for colesy but I normally kick pugs if i see: a luck sigil or a pirate bird from the runes (mf gear probably), 4+ signets on any class, dying a LOT (like every fight) or camping ranged literally the whole dungeon even none vet/silver trash. Everything else im normaly cool with since it is a PUG and i cant expect perfection when doing pug runs, but i still have some sort of standard.

BTW i created these kick “rules” for myself after many painful 3-4 hours fractal runs with leeching players and ive had enough…

Running kitten builds (aka magic find for example) on open world PvE is fine by me. But if you enter a dungeon with that kitten it starts affecting other players which need to carry you since your using bad builds or your just using magic find for loot. This means the other 4 players need to work harder to make up for it which is just unfair for them, if i see a luck sigil/a kittening parrot from the MF runes i will kick asap.

swiftpaw.6397:

Colesy has some valid reasons for his vehemence towards people running the substandard. Here’s one reason I encountered today.

I feel so bad for you… have you recovered yet? :<

guang… idek wtf was that. lol

Dolan.3071:

But hey who knows? Maybe I’ll be good enough to join LoD some day, though seeing as I don’t do high level Fractals (what’s the point?) and have yet to venture into Arah, I can’t really say ‘Yeah I’ve done this’ seeing as almost all other content is just faceroll.

LOD is pretty good on teaching new players aslong as they were wiling to learn, when i joined LOD i had not even stepped into Arah and had only done some dungeons once at the start of the game, so i was pretty clueless on the speedclear strategies and what to do in a optimized group. But over the past moth or so they got me up to speed and now things go much smoother.

Nikaido.3457:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

or just stack up on guardians for max DPS

This is getting delirious.

shhhh, just grab some popcorn and enjoy!

swiftpaw.6397:

Wethospu.6437:

Dempsey.8760:

Empowered allies does not stack. Warrior provides support to the group through DPS while still able to bring group might, vuln and group fury, better than any other class. It is very simple, high dps, group might, group fury, and vuln.
Having 3 banners on 1 warrior is just, well, I tried not to laugh. Then I laughed a lot.
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Care to educate me why 3 banners is funny on a Warrior?

3 banners = 3 rangers you can equip with a real weapon!

o.o why didnt i think of that before! thats sounds pretty broken, inb4 nerf.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

The only thing a second warrior will bring to the party is 3 extra might stacks from FGJ and 150 extra power from Empower Allies (which, last I checked, actually does stack). The problem is, warrior DPS is actually pretty bad, so two warriors with Empower Allies (+300 power on each) actually deals less than, say, a warrior and a guardian.

Ya… just tested this with another warrior, they dont stack. When I gives the buff to myself i get the 150 power, when the other warrior procs it he replaces my buff and im stil at 150+ power. Does not stack.

TA or CoE, CoE looks nice and gives good cash. TA… i dont really know i just like the feel of it :|

Player Character.9467:

Zenith.7301:

Player Character.9467:

idan koren.7691:

i played the Dungeon lots of times… i’m lvl 20 (Dungeon lvl) and i get in with lvl 22 guys..

they didnt like that i was dying from time to time .

You kept dying so they kicked you… how is this a surprise? o.O
I know the game itself might do it, but other players are not required to spoon feed you and hold your hand.

Don’t be obtuse. They kicked him at the END, when rewards were going to be claimed.

It one thing to kick someone when they made the mistake. You don’t waste their time by having them do the whole content and then boot them and bring a guildie in for the reward. That’s just absurd.

OP, never run PuG groups with 4 people of the same guild. If they are all of the same guild, then YOU must open the dungeon.

OP admittedly dies a lot in the run, wouldn’t surprise me if he was dying during the boss too and they finally got tired of it.

This could be the case, dying on a boss is extremely frustrating. Was in a level 38 pug a while back and we had a guardian which would go down literaly at every confrontation, we put up with it for whatever reason but at the ice fractal (2nd one) final boss, he DIED (not downed) twice. We stopped resing him even out of downed state after that since we would actually die trying and cause wipes, idk why we didnt kick but the point is that even one player dying constantly can cause huge problems in the party and how smooth the run goes, and OP’s party probably got so fed up with it and just kicked.

swiftpaw.6397:

2.) If you don’t want this to happen again, instead of being a kittenhole and opening the instance so people have to deal with your dieing (as suggested above).. work out why it is you are failing and correct it so people don’t have a reason to kick you. Win/win for everyone.

O.O you mean you might actually have to improve your play and use legit strategies/weapon sets and carry your own weight in order to not die a lot and get kicked from groups? you’re crazy…

Rengaru.4730:

I’m calling it.

• Warrior Banners can now only be picked up by the player who placed them.

Well to compensate for this huge nerf warrior banners now give 2x more buffs.

Sad I missed that… looked fun :p. Just goes to show that the dungeon isn’t actually hard

get on my level of posting quickly

You need to chain your reflects/projectile destruction. And stack inside of it, i prefer melee stack since its quicker but i think range works aswel if you have reflects.

this is an example of doing it quick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0B3ua0GEq8&feature=youtu.be if your into that

Wukunlin.8461:

Ryptel.5196:

- Scholar runes in my armor. I don’t dispute that these are good, but I’m not used to the dungeon enough to stay above 90% enough. I 100% salvaged that armor, sold the scholar runes and bought a new set of armor with ruby orbs.

I hope Nikaido doesn’t get a stroke after reading this.
You know you could’ve just run the dungeon enough times and become better at staying above 90% lol.

Its a sad day when someone sells scholar runes for ruby orbs in content outside of fractals

pretty sure he is considered undead. So those undead potions will work on him.

Bright.9160:

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Empowered Allies and Empower. The Guardian build I’m messing with should be able to maintain vulnerability.

I’m guessing you’re running 15 in Zeal then.

We’re currently working with a 0/15/0/25/30 build (props to Nikaido) to spam Fire Fields for our ele.

Dunno if we’re losing vulnerability too much though, people should test that…

Dont think we are. The warrior without OMM can maintain 10-14 on his own anyways. So with the rest of the group should be fine i think.

hmm. would the 30/0/0/10/30 build be better then the 30/25/0/10/5 build? since you lose the 10% dmg from the arms line for some crit chance, crit dmg and cool down reduction. is that really worth? (have not tested so i have actually no idea >.<)

I spent over half of my game time in CoF and this was before i even had tried arah or SE or any other dungeon apart from AC/CoF. I spent a solid 3-4 months farming that dungeon and now that i have stopped and started doing other dungeons for fun i realized how depressing it is at the end of the day where I ran random dungeons for fun but end up with less then half the gold i would have just farming CoF all day. Just kinda depressing knowing that im making less then 50% what i was making before doing harder content…

Bright.9160:

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Exile Firestarter.1943:

Scholar and eagle suck. you guys are weird

Is this real life?

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Its so beautiful

Exile Firestarter.1943:

Scholar and eagle suck. you guys are weird

Is this real life? did i just read this? wakitten

AndrewSX.3794:

My bet is on moving around some trait points, MAYBE change up some weapon/utility skills, and then carry on like nothing happened.

Meta needs a much deeper shake to be changed, imo.
Or proper PvE DG mechanic testing team builds, instead of raw DPS.

Ele if built well and with a good group can start to replace the warrior as the primary DPS in a organized group. So the meta is changing, in fact im pretty sure my guild will drop another warrior role for another ele going to 2 ele/1mes/1guard/war in our runs just due to the ele’s crazy dps potential with proper support.

Broadicea.8294:

swiftpaw.6397:

Why u do dis to me T_T

srs question, do you still find the LH/FGS ele as useful in lower level dungeons with how harshly the game downscales crit damage? though I suppose warriors have the same problem so eh.

Even in AC i find them useful in my groups, for example the sider queen with the FGS dies in under 15sec and the champ/silver skelks that are in the corridor die in under 10sec with it. so it still has its uses IMO

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

swiftpaw.6397:

Sorry what? where’s Lupi? Oh and throw in alpha while you’re at it.. and hey just for kittens and giggles, Lava shaman fotm 48. If you want to make some generalization, you’re gonna have a bad time.

just because a few bosses are hard doesn’t mean that other content can’t be broken by people who know how. What’s your point?

just because a few bosses are easy doesn’t mean that all other content can be broken just as easily by people who know how. What’s your point?

Wethospu.6437:

Did your “gs build” also include Axe auto-attacks?

yes, it was the standard 20/25/0/10/15. I use 100b, then WW, then swap in the middle of the channel after 3 procs to stay in melee, then use the vlun skills on axe, then auto, switch ASAP, 100b, WW interrupt, axe auto etc….

Bright.9160:

Wethospu.6437:

It takes skill to speed-run something fast. It doesn’t take much skill to use same tactics but do it slow (or you guys think this game is hard with 5 decent players?).

Bright.9160:

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100b isn’t such a great skill most people make it out to be.

Especially after the update, it’s going to be less DPS than just your axe DPS chain.

I have bit hard time believing this. Unless you are talking about Greatsword dps.

I have to admit that I’m going off on second hand information here, but Nikaido tested a bunch of builds in Orr with someone else, and he said that he concluded that a good Axe rotation will out-DPS the GS + Axe/mace rotation with a 30/25/0/0/15 build.

He tested it with me, we compared the 20/25/0/10/15 build with proper rotation to the 30/25/0/0/15 build with just spamming the 2-4 skills on CD and then auto attacking. The gs build was about the same kill time as the axe build with a full boon bar (nikaido was there just giving me boons to get the full % increase from empower). But if i had to ever stop my 100b due to anything like the need for a dodge or a CC from the enemy the GS would kill much slower since 100b is a huge part of its dps. So the axe not only delivers about the same DPS but you also can dodge and not kitten up your rotation. so IMO its much better to stay on axe and only use GS when your in a corner and can WW into it.

This happens to all male medium armor human classes iirc, its a know bug so hang tight :s

swiftpaw.6397:

Seigfried.5938:

Ather.5091:

I really do not understand what is so bad about this boss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUiwiFjFvxU&feature=youtu.be

I see a nearly ideal DPS group right there. A mesmer, 2 warriors and a guardian for support. You guys seemed to be pretty organised. But you clearly don’t understand the issue here. It is a level 35 dungeon, the first explorable mode dungeon, do you seriously expected level 35 characters to fare this well?

Whoah you left out my LH ele, I see how it is man. >:(

pffft LH ele does so little damage it barely counts. its all about warriors and clicking 2 to win

Or just get multiple zerker axes. if your farming CoF you have a lot of tokens to spend anyways so why not invest in a CoF axe.

well what sigils did you have on your weapons and what runes were on your armor? if they were all zerker exotics/acended gear only those things could have created a “lol” reaction

If you stack on melee and cycle reflects or projectile protection then the spiders cant damage you. And as long as your party is stacking POWER (can even be PVT) it should go down in less then 1min.

/thread

chain reflects, melee him. easy

Biohazard.7523:

dude that path is impossible i have been there you just cant kill that tree with all those spiders… that is just drunk…. they need to nerf that thing

Its very much possible, just stand in melee range with decent weapons/ power based sets (even PVT works for this fight) and then coordinate reflects with your group, as long as everyone is protected its fine..

Yoh.8469:

Spent the last couple of hours trying to beat that boss with guildies, not even the slightest luck. The other two paths, not problem.
Let’s just call it what it is, broken. Infinitely respawning anything, cannot be intended.

I’m guessing something just fell off the wagon when they tweaked it.
I’m just going to have to manage with the other two paths for my armor set.

If your doing it with guildies im assuming you know each others builds, try and chain reflects/ projectile protection and go into melee range. unless your running pure necro/warrior you should have enough to get through it no problem

LordByron.8369:

Bright.9160:

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considering its hard to reply your points being situational and based on the usual profession/builds unbalance.

I will just anwer with a quote:

“is it fun?”

nudata on AC population answers the question by itself…..
I know its hard to understand that ac is supposed to be the easiest dungeon……and that a lvl 80 experienced should play arah, and hotw and fotm if looking for a challenge.

(not saying that hotw and stuff is a challenge….infact its easier than AC).

Just today i did p1,2,3 of AC and found it quite fun and easy overall, the only part that IMO needs a rework is the ecot collection in p3. its so slow and boring.

randomfightfan.4091:

@ Nika, You don’t understand what makes the gs to axe rotation as good as it is. It’s not about pure dps per attack, it’s about the might stacks. You could camp axe/mace but then you’re losing out on around 12 free stacks of might from gs crits.

To people who didn’t notice, the new axe chain actually does higher dps now than before but it’s all dependent on the last chop (it’s now basically a constant 100 blades but no forceful gs trait). Chop and double chop lost 20% damage but both of those had lower numbers than triple chop newais. The full combo probably does 15% more damage now, esp if the last strike crits. Nothing has changed to change the meta.

When i run the pure axe build in dungeons with a 2 war 1 guard 1 mes 1 ele group, i never go bellow 20 might and am often at 25, i dont need to gs to hit the high might numbers. The guardian is highly important for this to work and needs to run a specifc build though, and it doesnt impact the dps of the guard that much and boosts the warrior/ele dps by quite alot.