Guild Wars 2

nexxe.7081:

Smitten.3076:

Some GW2 players are the most entitled I’ve seen in the industry, not because they want everything given to them … but because they honestly think they are being rational about this.

What’s irrational about wanting the full information of what you are purchasing? The secrecy surrounding HoT is giving players pause before they make their decision. I don’t think you know what entitlement means.

he didnt say it was irrational, i think hes targetting the ones screaming “TOO EXPENSIVE” “ISNT WORTH THE MONEY” “I DESERVE FREE STUFF FOR PURCHASE” “I DONT THINK NEW PLAYERS SHOULD GET TO COME IN CHEAPER THEN I DID” its those players i say this too.

Waiting is fine, Alot do it.. my brother and mum both play games, im the only one of the 3 who is keen for pre-purchasing into expansions and games, two different mind sets.

the Player Entitlements hes mentioning are aimed at the Reddit people Claiming they deserve to be given More stuff Free to purchase this expansion, that they’re Money is too Worthy to pay out for the game… there are many refusing to buy the expansion all together without more free things in the game.

Zoul.1087:

Drayos.8759:

see i dont see that as a issue myself, because we havnt actually seen all of the new expansion, just highlights of the different things coming into the game overall, we havnt been shown anything which would actually say exactly how much content ur buying into.

Once those who have insta-purchased go into Betas i think u’ll see a Proper sight of what your really getting, so i feel that content level isnt shown enough to know what your getting into, and yes paying into something that u dont know is a risk.

but WoW among many others do the exact same thing with even less information on what you pay for, as far as i understand those in the inital game were in the exact same placement

but when it comes to really battleing weather the expansion is overpriced for the Length and entertainment of what is. in GW2 as it has no sub model u have no additional charges, which ofcourse will make the expansions more expensive, its their one ensured profit… they have nothing else which would force players to pay into the game… so u have to see that side of it.

over Three years.

WoW – £9.99 a month + £40 a Year… 120+120 = £240x3 for 3 years.

Wildstar £40 (no Expansions were released) + £9 = 108 + 40 = £148x3.

Now to run into F2P games

EQ2 – Paying for classes = £20 each, (2 classes atm) Races = £10 fdor vampire and £20-£40 for Drakken so £40 minimum so far.. Mercs require Payment of £10, Reforging = £10 now £60

Sub isnt required but u lose out on a few things not having it… so to Benefit 100% of what they can offer due to locks on exp weekends etc etc u’d have to pay. + £34 per expansion..

Thats coming to like £100 to access everything + £9

i mean Guild wars 2 by far is the cheapest investment of MMOs… and In comparison to other forms of entertainment on the majority MMOs as a whole are cheaper, so i feel like u cant really accuse GW2 for ripping people off, they are charging u alot less.. for the exact same amount of stuff any other MMO generally delievers in expansions in todays prices.

Some MMOs are completely free. So this is not a justification.

Name some please.

Cause f2p games More often then not require Payment Sources

EQ2 – 2 classes locked at £20 each. 2 Races locked at £20+ Each. Reforging Locked at £10 Mercenaries locked at £10, Cant Wear Raid armour Fabled or Legendary gear without Subscribing. – JUST THOSE cost more then this Expansion alone.

Rift – Can simply outdo ur enemies by paying RL Money for your gear. Grindfest without Subscription. Souls Locked £40 to get em all… AGAIN to have the whole game it is ONCE MORE far more expensive then This expansion.

Tera – Grindfest without paying Sub Atleast.

Aion – Grindfest without Paying, and on EU without goldbox u cant wear/use/trade/broker at all and just repeatively wiped the floor with.

Im looking to see These “COMPLETELY” free games…

this is what i dont understand to unlock 2 Classes is more expensive in the MMO World then this expansion is and ur questioning its value? lol, and with the souls it physically locks u like elite specializations in this game… putting ur class at a disadvantage ur expected to pay £40 to have them witohut any other additions or bonus’s Juist simply 2 Souls on ur main class.

Buran.3796:

Drayos.8759:

i mean Guild wars 2 by far is the cheapest investment of MMOs… and In comparison to other forms of entertainment on the majority MMOs as a whole are cheaper, so i feel like u cant really accuse GW2 for ripping people off, they are charging u alot less.. for the exact same amount of stuff any other MMO generally delievers in expansions in todays prices.

Doesn’t really matters how GW2 fares against other games or entertainment products.

What truly matters is how the expansion fares against the current game. And for some people (including myself) HoT doesn’t provides too much value for the price. So I can stand without buying HoT for a long time, and later could pay for it at lower cost and also buy a slot for the star signature of the expansion (the new class).

False….

A Guy doesnt Put a price on his New invention or Creation based on wutever he feels like, No theres something in real life called a ENCONOMY.

if 1 Shop sells a Shirt for £22 oppisite ur store… u’ll sell urs for £20.

Competitive Pricing, If in WoW 0 New classes 0 New Speccs 5 Lands 2 Raids and a Garrison = £40. thats the PRICE of gaming That is WHAT its been judged and Stuck with…. this is what u people just dont Seem to understand, U dont walk into shops and Notice MASSIVE differences in prices for the exact same items…. People produce the Same Standard as one another at a competitive Price.

you cant DECIDE the value of the pound, u can decide YOUR value of the pound but apprantly its a MILE out of the realistic value.

GW2 success is based on people Who play MMOs on the majority Prefer to Play thier MMO so how it fairs against other MMOS is all that matters, If Players say A is better A is Cheaper A is better value at More realistic prices then A is Better in that market.

£34 is CHEAP for a game or a Expansion, Possibly one of the cheapest games i’ve bought in a LONG time, its 2015 Prices go up every year, MMOs will get more and more expensive, Just like everything else, its how the world works.

Yes u can go without it and not bother to purchase it, but if the balance is Whacko, and u just get slaughtered in pvp and Just do no DPS in comparison to the Elite Speccs the games Entertainment will fade for you. but u wont know those terms til its released.

tbh when i saw peoples Reaction i was assuming it was like £50 ($70) for base copy, not cheap as hell.

tbh i have Anxieties too, and Once u hit the Stress Cap u forget the little things such as the note telling u and Instantly panic, it seems really silly when u look and instantly see it, but its kinda harder in moment to really check for those things.

DeceiverX.8361:

Pandeh.5248:

Have we seen all the content? It sure seems that way by you all who complain about it. Myself, I think and am pretty sure we have not.

Actually, you just answered your own question.

We have no idea how much content we’re looking at. We know specializations, traits, masteries, and the WvW map are all not part of HoT but a general content update, though. Only some specifics are unique to HoT.

And that’s it; so what exactly does HoT bring beside from some new sPvP, a new class, and a couple new maps?

We don’t know.

So why are people willing to pay $50-$100 on something they’re next to clueless about that has little substance known about it? That’s just stupid money management and an insult to the consumer expected to buy it.

cause the majority of us dont require a game to physically lock the entire access to anything new down to mark it down as Something the Expansions providing.

When u pay Into a game u arnt just throwing money at something for fun… or for a limited time, ur valuing the Work of a Individual or a Companys quality, you as a Customer are investing in Arena.nets Game, this is what makes the difference between a Successful and a Failing game.

Arena.net Need our Money to produce what they do, they need our money to hire people and keep people employed to bring the game together every day to work on the servers bugs pvp pve and game content as a whole each day looking for new things or things they could improve, it costs the company money to have this.

As its stated Expansions are released Equal price to the actual game and often do not offer as much length wise as the base game, U pay into something to support it and keep it doing what its doing, if nobody buys the expansion then they stop GW2 thats how the world works.. 0 Money = 0 profit = Failing Game.

Is the Expansion more expensive then alot of f2ps these days? Yes.

but Look at how much additional Things u pay for in those games in comparison to this one..

Over 3 years in any other game u’ll of spent atleast £400 in Subs + Micro Transcations.

this game u’ve been forced into nothing but the inital games price.

People Segment their profits differently… it all adds up to be the EXACT same thing there is no Scam.. No Rip off… its not overpriced in the long term of things, people just ignore the actual process behind this and QQ on it.

if they’re sacrificng their profits in the game to deliever u the full game free of charge with 0 p2w options 0 Subscription and 0 Forced payments into the cash shop, they need ur investments else where, Expansions is Another placew they can put it without drowning u in long term constant payments.

see i dont see that as a issue myself, because we havnt actually seen all of the new expansion, just highlights of the different things coming into the game overall, we havnt been shown anything which would actually say exactly how much content ur buying into.

Once those who have insta-purchased go into Betas i think u’ll see a Proper sight of what your really getting, so i feel that content level isnt shown enough to know what your getting into, and yes paying into something that u dont know is a risk.

but WoW among many others do the exact same thing with even less information on what you pay for, as far as i understand those in the inital game were in the exact same placement

but when it comes to really battleing weather the expansion is overpriced for the Length and entertainment of what is. in GW2 as it has no sub model u have no additional charges, which ofcourse will make the expansions more expensive, its their one ensured profit… they have nothing else which would force players to pay into the game… so u have to see that side of it.

over Three years.

WoW – £9.99 a month + £40 a Year… 120+120 = £240x3 for 3 years.

Wildstar £40 (no Expansions were released) + £9 = 108 + 40 = £148x3.

Now to run into F2P games

EQ2 – Paying for classes = £20 each, (2 classes atm) Races = £10 fdor vampire and £20-£40 for Drakken so £40 minimum so far.. Mercs require Payment of £10, Reforging = £10 now £60

Sub isnt required but u lose out on a few things not having it… so to Benefit 100% of what they can offer due to locks on exp weekends etc etc u’d have to pay. + £34 per expansion..

Thats coming to like £100 to access everything + £9

i mean Guild wars 2 by far is the cheapest investment of MMOs… and In comparison to other forms of entertainment on the majority MMOs as a whole are cheaper, so i feel like u cant really accuse GW2 for ripping people off, they are charging u alot less.. for the exact same amount of stuff any other MMO generally delievers in expansions in todays prices.

People arguing the base price of the game is reflected in the cost.

When they first decided on HoT the price was Estimated at the exact price it is now, there was no increase in price after they decided to give the base game free, the expansion was Designed to be sold at the price it is now. MMO/Games Charge the same Price for every release of their games, its a Common design among ALL MMOs today.

People Arguing this is Unfair.

Is it unfair really?…. think of it this way u invested in entertainment, for ur inital price, u have gained 3 years of Entertainment, they have delievered exactly what u paid for, so no it isnt a Rip off, but in comparison to a new player it does LOOK like they get more due to the wording and timing of this decision.

Should the Price reflect the fact some paid for the normal game before?

No, because the game would not sell for £34 today, at no level, it’d put people off coming to the game at all, Why is a OLD and USELESS part of a game costing u anything…. Vanilla WoW had a inital Cost… Does anyone use it anymore? NOPPPEEE Old = Worthless… Its Rendered to be nothing.

Should vets of recieved a bonus for this.

Well it would have been nice i agree, it’d of been a nice gesture to give players something for their loyalty, however for how free the game really is with 0 sub model and No micro transactions required i feel no it isnt a MUST… they give u SOOO Much for just free.. all the content during the expansion Free.. Levelling free all areas of the game free…. U even can buy cash shop items without buying into the game.

The Actual Costs of the game.

3 years lifespan on their stuff so we’ll run with that.

0.9p / 1.38 dollars a Month for the expansion… thats cheaper then any game has ever given u anything, stop complaining U spend more then that on stuff u’ll enjoy for 5-10 minutes then u will ever do for this expansion breathing oxygen in this day and age costs more its 100x Cheaper then any other entertainment offer.

If Eating popcorn in the movie is Worthy ENOUGH to pay out £10 for it Im kitten sure even a Nice class for under £1 a Month is Worth it also.

The game needs money to survive, it isnt a “money grab” it is OBVIOUS as a Company its aim is to profit from what it sells so YES price tags happen it is life it is what happens, WoW players have prolly put thousands of Pounds/Dollars into the games Which others could go to WoD and get a free max level character Expansion and Game for £40

WoW promotes a game which each year the £40 u spent becomes utterly worthless and Useless, yet 0 complain on such a model

It seems Ur value of a Dollar/Pound/Euro is MUCH higher then the rest of the world, HoT is CHEAPER then WoD, with 0 Sub Model… and Being released as a Full Expansion instead of only half With MUCH Better versions of ALOT of what they have.

If they were yearly expansions at £40 i would prolly say Actually…. thats Kinda bad, its wrong, but it isnt a expansion after 3 years of ur inital investment is perfectly fine, the expansions bringing a whole new side to end level, Which is Challanging PvE content Guild Halls GvG and tools and a Systems to support More group/Guild orintated play. a New Class AND New specializations for every other class..

Most Games charge the same price for only HALF what they’re giving u, they could split just the new additions into 2 and have 2 expansions, its common to only get ONE new class without half those additions in expansions.

At the end of the day:

It is your choice what you invest in, Nobody can force you to or to not buy into the new expansions pre-order, it doesnt have a New level cap therefore u can still actively PvP etc etc without owning it, so yes u have the capability to Wait til the game comes out to see if it does go down in price, Or wait til the game goes into a sale to then purchase it at a cheaper price.

Ravion Hawk.4736:

Let’s see…

The Core game was $39.99 yesterday

The Core game + HoT is $49.99 today.

The expansion is $10.00.

Players that already bought into this that already had accounts either failed basic Math in school or are fools that deserve to be parted from their money.

Lets see

Yesterday HoT wasnt here

Today it is.

Proving that the Price for the Base game would of Dropped immediately.

Buy a Iphone 6… Garuntee the day Iphone 7 is released Iphone 6 will drop in price, Just cause when it was the NEWEST thing it was £39 doesnt mean when its Old and worthless it’d cost the same thing

£39 for base game now would be a Rip off.

Dont get the Complaints.

I paid full £80, to me…. Thats for Dragonhunter, Anything else Free Bonus.

LOL “39.99 should be knocked off” u are aware the value of the base game has prolly decreased by atleast 70% in price due the new release of the expansion.

If anything the base game would have costed u £5-10 ($8-15 Dollars) why would u ever assume TODAY the base game is Worth more then the expansion?… it 100x over is Defintly not… its not even worth half the price.

The fact is, as Arena Net said, the base cost for the Expansion alone was $50 (£34) New Players are not getting the game as a BUNDLE they have simply made the game itself free which means u are paying £0 as a old or new player for Guild wars base game, its Worthless Litterally worthless,.

THere was never a bundle just cause they decided to give a Old version out free doesnt make it have any representation in the price, ur just making a assumption in hope you manage to get something cheap/free.

Mia Crazymike.1780:

It’s only the wannabe veteran players complaining. Now i am against the HoT game also including the core game, but everything else people are complaining about is 100% laughable.

Veteran players…. lol.

im sorry but thats the most laughable against there.

As a vet u should WANT ur game to grow, therefore u should be WANTING these sorts of things done to bring more new people into the game, as many stated.. not many can afford to buy 2 games in the same month which if they didnt do this combination would have happened, it’d of put players off coming.

Its a great move as a whole to bring such a thing in and to keep the gateway into the game light.

HoT is a minimum of 0.9p a month in cost, Im sorry but how much closer to free can i honestly want a kitten game xD..

Over-Self Entitliment is a vicious cycle and adopted by so many, u PAID the inital price of the game to play that game for 3 years without a single other required charge, that debt has been fullfilled, the expansion was going to be $50 with or without the inital game.

right lets assume the expansion will be for 3 years, as base game also was.

right £34 ($50) over 3 years? that is 11.33 a Year (16.66p Dollars)

that is 0.9p a Month (1.38 Dollars) a Month… Oki looking for the unfairness guys..

Hot is Expensive? in what world?…

£34 ($50) for the expansion, with 0 sub model and 0 required investment after its release.

that is $25 Dollars a Year or £17 a Year.

thats like Under £2 ($4) a Month which is HALF the price of any other f2p to play with everything (as subs > f2p in other models) and half the price of any P2P MMO which sell their expansions at the exact same price.

therefore, NO GW2 HoT is cheap as hell.

Wait did the patch notes that were nerfing us get released already then? sorry only just woken up xD haha.

1) longbow looks awesome, why insult it?

2) traps arnt “situational” the enemy cannot see the traps so they cannot be just Easily “dodged 99% of the time” u place them before fights… Not only when the enemies ontop of you.

3) u have no idea what they meta will be in HoT so how can u comment on what it will provide in the meta?…. trap ranger was once meta, it looks like its coming back into strength now also, so obviously traps are looking rather good in the upcoming meta putting Longbow straight into meta on its release.

theres 0 reason to be insulting and putting this new specialization down, traps do not suck, just currently they are not in meta, but then again neither are rangers so therefore how would it be? theres 0 proof to it not being viable and also theres nothing to say how Dragonhunter will fair in the new expansion..

try to actually WAIT to see what happens rather then QQing on it before its even in beta.

dont understand, a proffession should be nerfed for being strong against a other proffession?

Thiefs are also ridiculously strong against some proffessions, its just how it works, if someones focusing a direct counter to themselves, its their fault when then thrashed for it.

tbh, i generally avoid easy classes, i find classes with very low Skill Ceilings to get very boring when u feel u have reached the maximum capability of ur class soo soon after learning it, but i also dislike a class that is a never ending grind to see the maximum capability of it, at the end of the day i still want to be able to enjoy it

so i generally look for something inbetween those, the Elite specializations i predict will change ALOT of lists on both the difficult and easier classes, Reaper defintly looks interesting, Cloth melee has always been interesting. it looks OP as hell though.

I like the look of Necros, im not sure if i like pets though…..

what makes classes such as a necromancers skill curve change so massively between the two? is the skillset/Combos u do in pvp setting much harder then those u need for pve? or is it just the classes capability?

I Was curious to how classes play in the end, i mean i dont really care for what is and isnt overpowered as buffs/nerfs come and pass all the time, i’ve never seen a MMO Where u can start a class and it’ll be At the same power forever, generally it moves about.

As far as i have read, Rangers and Warriors are said to be the easiest classes (although some argue that they arnt, every class has easy and hard Playstyles)

is there any truth to this? or is it simply they have Easier playstyles offered to them with just as many more difficult playstyles they can play to excel at the class, do these sort of conversations apply to pvp? or are those speculations PvE Orintated?..

What are the skill curves to each class like? are they massively different for each class, or are classes all simular in difficulty to play properly?

Hey, I was recently looking for a new MMO Decided to invest into Guild wars 2, i was curious to is there Servers that people would recommend a British player? or are all good?.

Also what are the classes like?… by what i have read, the Warrior and Ranger are the easier classes while Elementalists/Thiefs and Engineers are more difficult with more combinations to make for their DPS, but is there any more detail people are able to explain?

Thankyou for any answers.