Guild Wars 2

vergil.6195:

As you can probably tell, one of the main reasons i started guildwards 2 was the necromancer class since no other mmo genre has a class that can resemble one.
Since the start of guildwards 2, necros have been bad no matter the excruciatingly slow “fixes” applied to them and yes i ve been around for that long.
I keep seeing “necros are bad” threads all this time and since i share their concern i cant help but wonder, why do people keep playing that class?

And before you say “lol what are you talking about reapers will be awesome” just think for a moment, has arena net ever bothered fixing the key element that makes the necromancer what he is, like minions or damage over time effects?
Sure necromancer may have high survivability skills but thats just it.No damage or cc or reliable minions to shine in pvp and even pve group content.

So i check the forums once in a while even logging in to check some new content with my human necro in hopes of seeing a change but arena net keeps dissapointing us year after year and as i see it, they certainly will with the coming years and/or expansions

So im asking again why do you even bother playing this “wannabe” necromancer class?

/End rant

Well tbh, i’ve never seen the times where they’re ment to be rubbish tbh.

not now atleast,

no CC?

Staff has Plenty of CC within it.

Daggers have some of the longest immobilizes in the game.

Warhorn has a Daze.

Foci has Chill..

no Damage?

Lich form does TONS of damage.

Condi builds have alot of spike damage now + burns on Shroud 1 with the stacking process

Pets are bad on all classes tbh, that isnt just a Necros problem.

they’re not OP like some classes or got bugs which are game-breaking like the Mesmer and Engineer no, but they’re not underpowered tbh..

Necromancers are awesome, and not a day have i regret rolling with the necromancer, its alot of fun n does plenty of damage and has plenty of capability and Reaper will only make us better.

tbh, Warhorn could be good, no one has any ideas what utility skills it’ll bring.. or its Damaging skills, Warhorn could equally be linked to storm via The idea they can call upon the Clouds with their horn to Strike Down their foes, or cause Winds and Storms wherever they may go.

I dont understand how this is Game-breaking for you, you have enjoyed this class without a sword for Years yet suddenly u cannot play without it? Aslong as it Fits in the Playstyle has its strengths and is capable against any other class Why are u so fussed?…. nobody knows what the warhorn is, it could even be a main hand weapon for all you know..

CratZ.6270:

I realized that I have developed I really deep hatred towards mesmers and people who play mesmer.

Robert Gee, same guy was supposedly a big part in developing both mesmer and necro changes in this patch. He gave a big kitten you to necro players while mesmers get to enjoy life.

I can’t stand watching others happily enjoy their game while I’m left dealing with same kitten for 3 years.

not buying HoT.

Necro was in a worse spot then Mesmers to begin with, everybody knows Necros required changes are much bigger then the mesmers so during a Pre-patch they end up like this, but Necros arnt going to become ultra strong over night from trait changes.

this is a Pre-Expansion Patch, its designed to be balanced WITH the expansions content, therefore right now the balancing is whack, so saying “im not playing hot” wont fix your problems, ur being balanced with the idea of reaper in your build not without it, Necromancer isnt even that bad..

I’ve been playing mine alot in pvp and it seems pretty solid as a whole, might not be the game ending Mesmer currently but we’re not being nerfed every patch either.

Luke.4562:

Ravezaar.4951:

I think he did a great job with Necro, tho Mesmers are OP atm and imho the strongest class after Warriors still think his work on Reaper and Necro as a whole is very good…. also kinda like Robert cause he actually seem passionate about our Class.

Good work with Necro and Reaper?

Well first of all there are still a lot of problems in Necro’s traits, and over Blood, nothing really changed. (Over the fact our best lines -Curses and Spite- have become full of useless and out of place traits, you can’t take anymore freely Path of Corruption because it is overshadowed by Terror and other traits along this line are useless for power builds).

Also the Reaper, giving Guardian’s Greatsword to Necros, making the reaper extremely slow, dodgable and kitable. More weaknesses to a class that has really too many issues on its own.

That’s a Good Work? Ok…..

The Reaper class isnt “kitable” anyone can see theres ALOT of combos to keep players next to you, Double Dagger = 2 Immobilizes GS = Pulls + Chill every 3rd strike, im sorry but Death is Ment to be slow, its a Slow creature which kittens you up the moment ur in his grasp, so actually its a great concept and it isnt going to be as bad as u seem to beleive.

Its Shrouds ALOT faster anyway so u can catch people there. u cant predict what will and wont work before its even here…

I’ve been uysing Condi alot lately so thought i’d give Power a fair try too haha

Atm theres builds flying everywhere, been trying a interesting one which doesnt seem to use staff at all, although im pretty sure this is a Disadvantage overall not a advantage, it seems to output more damage although it doesnt seem as strong as a whole.

Im using currently

Dagger/Dagger + Axe/Focus.

so im considering swapping one across to Staff to see how well it works without the secondary.

Which is appearing stronger currently?

Dagger/Warhorn

Dagger/Focus

Axe/Focus (i would say warhorn but axe is Ranged so i feel the additional Mobility given with it isnt really required.)

New system is 100x better then old system.

the old system had 0 variation when it came to competitive, it just let in tons of not great casual builds which didnt function that well just was funny to kill noobs with.

the new system has less builds but WAY more viable competitive builds, its just the current meta cloaking that currently because how OP condis are at the moment, the new system is much better and now they have taken off stats from them they allow u to set up ur character more to your own wants rather then being forced to specific traits for stats.

Sadly it’d be way too impactful in PvP, litterally to allow classes to 3 + Weapon swap, the limitation is there for that reason alone tbh, it’d just let classes have too much of everything.

Gern.2978:

All in the title.

With the way condi’s are right now, plus the sheer tankyness they have always had, they have ruined PvP for me.

really? power necro exists which is quite squishy, its only the bunker necros holding sooo much survivability.

Also with Mesmers and Engineers sitting how they are u think NECROS ruined pvp? oh please, I’ll take someone who has 0 presence and lives forever over the Shatter condis Disrupting everything u do and finishing u in 2 seconds flat, or a Engi abusing the bugs which cause them to hit u for 15k dmg with Gernades.

I think its Stupid to QQ on Necros, they’re about the only class with 0 OP Mechanics and Resembling balance lol.

ScorpioSting.5917:

Wow…

You guys should consider to tatoo on your hearth: “I love ANET”.

(-_-)

It became obvious why gaming industry makes jokes of us (50$ for a little expansion even for players that already have the game) with ppl like you throwing money like that… GG

well ACTUALLY.

think of it this way.

if u buy hot on its release, u’ll have 3 years of gametime in that expansion now, lets devide that over the 3 years, as its the replacement of the sub.

thats like… 0.8p (1.6Dollars) a Month, which is CHEAPER then anything on the market currently, so no actually those buying are smart and actually see this in their thoughts, Ur the reason companies laugh at us,

U see right through the MONTHS of playtime which DOES Cost money.

U see right through the countless content releases they do ALL THE TIME for free.

u see right through they give u a way to get gems WITHOUT paying.

u see right through the fact they have ZERO pay to win in their stores and force u into no purchase besides the expansion, its THEIR sub model, Devide it over the time u will Play and theres the real cost ur paying.

buying a phone instantly is ALWAYS cheaper then paying for a Contracted phone.

Same with sub v B2p.

help me please :/.. this is irritating as hell.. im close to just downloading a new game… this is absolutely ridiculous to leave people sat here for 7 hours without info or help.

Please :/… i’ve been stuck here for 7 hours… u helped others after 15 minutes, just please dev come help :c

clear my queue and save a MOA today!

help me please :/…. im stuck… im useless… im a dead Moa… REVIVE MA QUEUE SYSTEM!!!

im stuck with “Match in progress” after i suffered a issue with not being able to leave a pvp instance, i have tried logging out for 10 minutes resetting my rotar and repairing gw2 client none of its working.

Please could a Dev clear this?… i saw one doing it in the other thread but he doesnt seem to be there anymore

welp, im a new player and if i cannot still queue for a pvp match in the next few hours im going to leave the game as a whole tbh. :P

but on topic bunker necros are pretty good tho :O but i get what u mean

burst so high i’ve been locked out the queue for 7hours…. lol, no dev will clear me. xD

litterally been sat here for 7 hours ticketting… sending ingame bug reports… messaging.. and making threads but i’ve had nothing :/.. everyones been fixed instantly xD

Im still stuck!!! Please can i get a reset!!!! its been 7hours i’ve sat here!! i’ve restarted GFuild wars 2 i’ve reset my rotar.. i waited 10 mins before log in nothings fixing this it got me out the instance but im stuck with “match in progress” Please say someones still here..

everyone else is fixed everyone else is pvping.. and been cleared of this bug..

Am i banned?…. ignored?? blocked? under investigation…. Have i done something wrong…. Why am i not getting cleared or anything more then a automated message whenever i try to ticket this?…

Im stuck!! i cant queue for pvp…

Come on… its been almost 7hours now People have been cleared 15 mins after their posts!…. wth is going on.

Please? :c

I’ve been actively posting now for 6hours across multiple sections… as well as 2 in game Tickets and 2 Forum tickets.. Someone clear this for me

-bump-

Sorry i rly want this to be seen by a Dev :/.

ios anyone still suffering this? or am i the only one left? Lol

guessing hes Left?…. :/… bah i really wanted to play on my day off.. guess Not then.

Ray Patrick.7843:

You should be cleared now Tisar.

Any chance u could clear me too please?

i saw a Dev getting people out of this issue :/…. is he still here?

I have tried restarting the game, i’ve restarted the Rotar, i’ve left it to sort itself for well over a hour, it isnt fixing at all

I am in HoTM i finally got out the SPVP map, but i cant re-queue its stuck at “match in progress” could someone possibly fix this for me please? :/.

i am also stuck in HoTM with “match in progress” stopping me re-queueing.. its let me out but i cant requeue or anything..

im stuck in “match in Progress” if i could get some help too :/.

i havnt lost connection ,it lets me go into the game, it just errors and comes up with “match in progress” but im not in a match lol.

tried Restarting the game and doing the repair client side, still not fixing anything, problem persisting, tried to submit a ticket but the reply didnt help anything..

I can enter the game but each time i zone it comes up with

“Game client was unable to gain access to log in servers”

i’ve restarted the Rotar, i’ve Restarted my PC i;’ve tried turning off Firewalls and lowering security settings nothing is fixing this issue at all

Im stuck with it saying im in a game but im not actually in one so i cant enter pvp queues, i cant really do anything…

Anyone else suffering this?

tbh, Shatter is actually my favorite second resource for any class..

No Resource should be “free” on use, it shouldnt its a bad set up which Takes risk out the class, Low risk classes just shouldnt exist as kitten, u should have to take risks to perform thats how it works, Playing “safe” 24hours gets tedious and repeatitive, theres nothing there which actually engages fully when theres 0 risk to playing something.

Shatter is exactly that! u lose ur Duplicates, ur more focusable because of that, u lose the extra damage to do one Huge burst on the target, u get in u do ur damage ur Shatter u burst a few down and Get out before ur caught out, they’re Ment to have that Illusion based Assassin game play like that, its what they were designed to do.

More Class Resources need to be made this wayu and less free in their mechanics, both Completely Passive capability and Resources Taking risk out of classes need to be changed tbh.

I dont know how this can be really evaluated badly, why make ur class so much more Passive in capability to avoid a Risk, the Risk has a huge reward behind it and is worth the Risk.

Mesmers are strong, even now still soooo strong… I crit people for like 6k Damage, im sorry but a few nerfs doesnt mean ur doomed lol… its Pre-patch their perfecting things “im so lucky i didnt pre-order HoT” how does that even work out in ur head?!

Alacrity is going to become MASSIVE in HoT, and make mesmers needed every game! how do u feel Not having that is going to make u lucky? teams are just going to replace u…. we’re being given a mechanic which will be a exclusive buff to our class which we provide to the team…. ur going to NEED It if u want any competitive team or Rush PvE Teams to take u seriously.

Some chose to play the Mesmer Solely based on being a Underdog class and felt like they were “skilled” killing players with a Class considered Underpowered. That community are now sad they’re class is viable and feel less “skilled” being strong enough to actually fight these classes..

Its a Sad way to choose ur proffession but it does exist in MMOs those Players will find something else they find Underpowered enough for their time to keep living their dream..

The proffession isnt “FoTM” Burn guardians and Engineers are more overpowered then the Mesmers currently, and these overpowered mechanics will be Nullified when hot comes out as classes currently are balanced for those HoT Changes.

And no, No one has physically said “couldnt play it Pre-patch” the class was at a disadvantage and Unless ur AMAZING at the class it wasnt going to work out, To accuse them of being Bad players Just cause they saw the disadvantages in their class doesnt make them bad it actually means they understand the class, What the class was MENT To be capable of and what it Actually is capable of.

The proffession hasnt got more “noob friendly” or “forgiving” its Simply got strong, it didnt make BEING strong any Easier lol it Just made it viable to Actually play properly, Im sorry but its Ridiculous to right such bull..

The Excess of skill required to play the mesmer Was caused by the fact it wasnt on par and u had to try so much harder to make urself on par with the rest of the players and proffessions, that Excess of Skill Curve was never ment to be there in a Balanced world, Im sorry but i am not a Lover of Skill curves created by the fact a class Underperforms in its role.

Burst is “easy” for every class to set up currently…

this patch is aimed to be balanced with the New Specializations and classes in the next expansion, its pre-patch, there is no point rerolling based on difficulty, cause u have no idea what will and will not be difficult in HoT..

even Elementalists now can opt out of fully rotating around their abilities and only take on 3 instead of all 5 lowering their ability count to 15. i do find it weird that people feel lost without being the Underdog class cause they like the feeling of being Underpowered.

Mesmers before were a backline class and only doing something if their team was infront of em, the set up was bigger as they couldnt do as much damage without doing every detail sure.. but how hard is that to really do behind everyone… Or in the position u cant do it anyway as ur just fodder for the thief.

if u play a Class perfectly underpowered and it gets buffed OFCOURSE your going to feel uber strong, that isnt the class getting Easier Every class gets EASIER, the challange never stays cause u eventually overcome that challange.

Actually no they havnt.

Taking the stats off the Lines and allowing for Complete 3 Lines in your build actually means u can run anything you like, if anything alot more is doable now then previously due to how required the stats were in Meta.

This new set up is better for the game and a much stronger build for the classes, it is More customizable now on a competitive level then it ever was.

Expansions commonly sell at £34 (50$) Standard. my opinon on it is purely that

WoW WoD – £40
EQ2 AoM – £34
Rift – £20 Just for the extra Souls but Expansions are free, the Micro-transactions to unlock the extras in the Expansion will come out to about £40 though.

These games expansions are not big, they do not add much, Even less then Our Expansion will, AoM added like 5 Lands…. 10 levels… 0 New classes… 0 New Races, and Even then EQ2 charge u to access the classes as a Extra even if u Purchase the expansion so, no winning there.

WoD only released half finished with bad Servers It litterally gave u a Levelling process for Months before you saw any raiding.

Im sorry, but its the NORMAL price for a Expansion Flat out to say its a “rip off” then EVERY MMO is a Rip off, the games b2p, it costs u NOTHING to play with 0 Sub model it doesnt restrict u in the slightest to play completely free after the purchase.

u’ve saved urself $50 within 5 months of gameplay BECAUSE of that alone! the expansion is cheaper then Any other form of entertainment and 99% of Games on the market so thw argument is absolutely invalid.

People just hate on it cause it costs money, People do not want to pay they want it handed to them therefore they get ungrateful when met with any form of costs. Pure igorence to what you get, they give u SO MUCH Free they owe you nothing, 16 content releases in 1 year for free to players, im sorry but dont act like u’ve been treated badly

I can understand SOME points people put forward, but to be inflicting this much rage at the company and refusual to pay because of them is just pure stupidity.

Pay or Dont pay, Stop making a Racket about it.. We dont care ur Discision is not affecting us, Make ur decision and Stick to it by all means but We dont want the 5000 Posts made saying the same stuff

ANet and NCSoft are not dropping the price the only likely thing to happen is they’ll give u a Core game code to give away to someone who wants to try the game or give u a free Vanilla level account for some other reasoning if they do anything about this

Game and Expansion are both well priced for what your really getting for ur money.

The people out there moaning Just need to Learn this tbh.

Alexxander.8306:

rapthorne.7345:

You also get all the time, enjoyment and experience you’ve had from the game up to HoT.

Look at WoW’s draenor deal. new players can get draenor, and only have to pay $5 for EVERY SINGLE EXPANSION WOW HAS EVER RELEASED, so long as they pay $60 for draenor. That is expansion content that veteran players have spent hundreds of dollars on over the years. There’s no outrage over at the WoW community, because they can grasp what most people here seem incapable of: that the value of a product mostly goes down over time, and that allowing new players an easy access gateway is good for game health.

GW2’s base game now is not worth what it was at launch, and ANet are doing the best they can to ensure that new players are not cut off by a divide or extra expense of buying the expansion or sticking with the base game. it’s a good idea and I support it. This approach is good for game health, it’s good for new players, and in the long run it’s good for veterans, too, who will have more people to play the content with rather than be segregated by pay walls.

Veteran players have had up to three years of content enjoyment, much of that unique and non-repeatable, that newer players will not experience.

I am utterly baffled that people can not grasp this concept that what people paid 3 years ago is not representative of right now.

People that bought the game in recent months who purchased it purely as a gateway to HoT, their upset I can understand, but not long-term veterans. (PSA: GW2 customer services is working out refunds for those who DID buy recently who want instead to just outright buy the expansion)

Ive only had a couple of months tho.

I’ve only had GW2 for 3 weeks, still happy paying though.

so let me get this straight,

your problem is that they are ENCOURAGING new players to join the gamr you love?..

That they are constantly fighting to increase the Population of the game and to get bigger so they can bring more and more to the game and fund the game to the next level each Year?..

your problem with the game that they keep the game light gated so players dont feel initimidated by Multiple payments instantly to have the full game?

you really want this game to slowly die? as people slowly leave (as natural) and nobody comes in? this is the main reason games like WoW are now dying, theres Just TOO Many expansions to purchase for any new player to honestly think about buying into it… Spending out is fine if ur the only one home, but for a family is nearly impossible to fork that all out within 1 day with no backlash from the prices.

So u’re fine to pay $50 providing the games Dying and Gating any New customers out the game….. how truly “veteran” of you. Sales happen things get rolled into 1, the Core game has 0 value to it anymore its out of date and past, you dont buiy a Sony Z1 to buy a Z3 next month do you, That doesnt mean everyone who purchased the Z1 to upgrade to the Z2 or Z3 got ripped off, things change, Same brand Same Phone Different technology, exactly how games are.

and this “give us free Char slot PLEASE” is getting old fast, seriously, They dont OWE U this, they cant just give you their Entire fecking profit for free lol, u must relise the games there to make a profit they have to encourage you to pay into something weather thats a Expansion or cash shop, its ridiculous people honestly feel your entitled to this.

U have had this game for THREE YEARS, you have been given FAR MORE THEN $50 WORTH OF ENTERTAINMENT, stop bringing up the fact you have PAID previously cause they have already given you EXACTLY what you paid for! 16 Content Releases in 1 year completely free! THEY HAVE GIVEN U ENOUGH FOR FREE, they shouldnt have to hand u their profit margins on a silver plate for you to fecking not complain

UR GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND MONEY, like every other god kitten form of entertainment out there, Just because u went to the cinema yesterday to watch Taken 2 doesnt mean u should get a discount when watching Taken 3.

U paid ANET to play GW2, you have played it, for 3 years, Thats it you have paid they have delievered it isnt relevant anymore, this is how Entertainment works, Sure i thought they might with this roll into one us who paid into the game to get some free Gimicky stuff to celebrate the first expansion and to thank us for our support this far, but it was never expected.

The games Fairly priced, $50 every 3 years is like 1.38 Dollars a Month, thats cheaper then any other form of entertainment you can find.

skesoul.6385:

Hi, been playing mmos since the 90’s and to this day I still think gw2 is by far one of the best mmos to date if not the best.

I mainly play solo been in a couple guilds got some high lvl characters and one level 80. I mainly keep my self to my self these days. I dont normally post on gw2 forums either but I have come here often enough to look for advice and such things.

I have tried desperatly to like gw2 for a while now but its been tuff since I like having a lot of skills or rather have a progression towards skills but on gw2 you basically get all your skills at a low level which for me is the most boring part of the game because you have these skills the whole of the game give or take some mix up.

When gw2 HoT was announced and the hype was real, I saw all new beautiful skills that I couldnt wait to try out, maybe just maybe I could find something thing that I enjoyed using.

In comparison to other mmorpg games, gw2 has a very low ammount of skills you can use while in combat. Other mmos you have whole screen taken up with skills that keep me happy enough.

So like the title says ive did my best to enjoy the best mmo but its sad to say I dont think ill be supporting the expansion. I think my self its very unfair to give the game away when all of us paid for it.

Thats what makes gw2 the best payment model, PAY = you own it no monthly crap.
Now your giving it away and only charging for the expansion. Something in my head just doesnt add up.

The customer is always right……..
Look what happened to SOE’s swg when they screwed over the vets on that game allmost all of the vets quit shortly after. Now the company doesnt even exist.

PS:
the music in gw2 is a work of Art all on its own, ill miss it……goodbye gw2 we just never hit it off properly.

Dude its a b2p game, it was sold as a game u’d pay for base game + all Expansions, thats exactly as it was advertised, its Stupid to try make some sorta announcement u are suprised by that.. they have to make money somehow..

Dont think you understand what really failed SoE either tbh, it was released horrifically p2w and Overpriced to get anywhere, people quit cause it just had a bad model, by the time they fixed it players had already left, Veterans Leave games reguardless, games change and they’re never what they first joined or paid for therefore slowly the games are no longer to their taste or they just have played too long and need something new.

Customers are not always right, if u really beleive they could FOREVER support a expanding game with 0 Required income from anything past Base game you are ridiculous, no game Would stand a chance of Surviving on that sort of thing, They need money returns on expansions given out otherwise nthe game would just never have a Expansion and stay exactly how it is for years, people would leave if that was the case too.

its 2015, EVERYTHING costs money, nothings Truly free and MMOS are one of the most expensive game genres out there, if ur this unwilling to spend any money dont play them its simple.

I understand the game isnt to ur taste, that is fine it isnt everyones cup of tea, but to slash them for having a expansion is just upright stupidity.

phys.7689:

Ohoni.6057:

subs have nothing to do with anything

the sub is a different aspect of the monetary policy.

what you pay a sub for, is not having an intrusive gem store, or a game designed around having a gem store.

Subs definitely do have everything to do with it IF you insist on comparing a subscription game to a B2P one. With FF14, they could charge very little on the expansion, because they know that they will definitely make $50 off of each current player off sub fees alone. With GW2, they have no sub fees, so while they might get some additional money off of some players after purchase, they can’t bet on that, and their box purchase price needs to reflect that. Yes, they have the gem store, but they can’t count on every player buying into the gem store, their pricing model is more reliant on box sales than on sub sales, even if it’s not entirely reliant on them.

You cannot compare the price of a GW2 expansion to a WoW or FF14 expansion UNLESS you also factor in the monthly fees. To do otherwise would render the comparison meaningless.

we can compare it to swtor if you want, their expansion was 20 bucks, or we can compare it to Tera whose expansion was free, or Blade and soul in korea, with a free expansion.

GW2 has released numerous “free expansions” over the years. This is their first paid one, and the price they’re charging is a reasonable one compared to other games on the market. The $20 TOR “expansion” you talk about is a joke. NO new classes or races, just a few new combat zones. That is equivalent to GW2’s free Season 2 content, not to HoT.

but be assured, there are a number of people who have said they wish they could in fact pay a sub for gw2 IF it meant there was no gem shop/gem shop design based descions, anet did not choose to go that route Because they feel gem store is a more profitable business model.

GW2 would have failed miserably with a subscription model. It would have been Wildstar in advance.

Came in here to chime my opinion. Recently saw the $50 price point that comes with the full regular game and I facepalmed because that was the cheapest version…which is a rip-off to people who already have the regular game. There SHOULD be a cheaper version that’s $30 that’s just the expansion itself. I’d throw my money at that without hesitation.

No. $50 is the retail cost. It’s not “$30 + the cost of the original game,” It’s "$50 AND you get the original game free with purchase. They can remove the option of getting the original game, but lowering the price is not a factor in that. Why is this so very very hard for people to understand?

You can’t go into a restaurant and say "I see that the steak costs $20. Now I don’t want to pay $20. but I see that it comes with a free side, and if I ordered that side separately it would cost $2. So here’s what you’re going to do, because you owe me, you’re going to give me just the steak, and I’m only going to pay you $18, because I’m entitled to the deal that I want, not the deal that you offered.

No, it does not work that way. The customer is always right, unless he’s not. In this case, the customer is most certainly not.

Or if they made it so if you buy the $50 version and already have the regular game, you get $20 worth of gems. Those two options alone would fix the complaints with this I believe.

Sure, but how could they do that WITHOUT giving everyone $20 free that they are not owed? “Oh, they should just give us a ton of free stuff that we are in no way owed, that would solve the problem.” Yeah, I’m sure it would.

gw2 made more money off gem store sales than most games made off subs last year

as you point out gw2 would have failed with a sub

so its fairly odd to see how you think that charging a sub, which from your own words(and current market trends), is not more profitable, should somehow mean they can charge more for the game to recoup losses, that are apparently profits.

let me simplify

• gw2 makes more money from gem store than having a sub
• therefore they do not need to charge more for a box price to recoup losses

Guild wars do NOT make as much money from Gem Store as they do any other F2P/B2P because they of the fact they sacrificed that factor by putting NO Micro-transactions into it, No Cash shop Spam Releases of Outfits etc etc, Not having Mounts in the game and ALLOWING you to convert your gold to gems, They make up for the fact they allow players to choose to just never spend a Dime in the Gem Shop by their Expansion Releases.

they DO NEED the expansion release incomes, thats just factual… to claim they dont is stupid.

People still seem to not understand this basic term.

1) U are NOT paying for the core game again, There is no second Key, the game itself as been decided to be of 0 Value due to it being out of date, they dont feel the need to attach a price to the game on any level currently due to this factor. Out of Date things are Over, they are no longer WORTH anything… Nobody goes out and buys a Flip phone BEFORE they invest in a Sony Z3, it isnt done.

2) The Expansion was going to be priced at $50 With or WITHOUT the base game going free, this hasnt made a single different to actual pricing of the expansion you would STILL pay the price with or without core game.

3) This expansion is JUST as big if not bigger then Expansion releases in WoW and Any other MMO on the market and its priced at the exact same price as any of those games, you people just dont seem to take that into account, its a Competitive price for the MMO Price range, its Perfectly NORMAL to pay those sorts of pricing for expansion.

4) The game has 0 Subscription Model, 0 required Micro-transactions and No forced Investment into gameplay outside of the Base game Pricing which is now HoT Pricing, how can u honestly beleive the expansion SHOULD be cheap?…. The Expansion Costs are there only Solid forced income they cannot AFFORD to give you that cheap…. Thats the ENTIRE point of a B2P Game!!

5) If you have this much problem paying anything due to Either beleiving u should seriously be playing this game for nothing.. and Somehow ANet have no need for Money or income for their business u might want to consider quitting gaming all together…. Games are expensive, if ur not willing to keep up with that factor ur going to fall behind in anything you do.

Any game with a Inital box/Digital purchase will charge u £34 ($50) or more everytime, thats how it works unless u wait for sales on the expansion once its released and getting old you Just are NEVER going to see Expansions sell that cheap in a American MMO or game.

its the same price as a 1 year old Expansion in a P/P game, sorry but its a Normal reasonable price…. People just feel like things should be free, devs need to eat too.

This perception is bad, i hope they dont change the price, cause all u Cheap-kitten do is Cause game quality to drop when the Profits Fall out the Sky due to this whole “I WANT FREE kittenZ” mentality.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Technically, Cure, that’s not correct. ANet told us that the core game was needed to play the expansion. So . . . people bought the core game beforehand. Heck, some bought it days before this release.

And now? You get the core game with the expansion. That’s three shades shady to more than few people who shelled out that money. You’re ‘soda and chips’ example is moot in that regard.

And yes, you do have the right to be angry. I’m not saying it is or isn’t justified. I’m just saying it’s why many people on the boards are peeved with this announcement is all. Again, if I bought something for forty dollars at Wally-World, and then the next day they gave it away . . . um . . . yes. I have the right to be angry.

Whether it’s a fair business practice is a different question.

i’d Agree with you, if they DIDNT refund the Cost of their Inital Purchase if they had bought the game from this site within 30 days of Today.

They are GIVING them back their money, there is no scam, its obvious Guild Wars 2 made a last minute Decision they wouldnt be trying to correct it if it was their aim to do this,

the issue is to make people pay $10 for the Orginal game then $50 for the Actual Expansion will scare ALOT of players away who are new to the game, as soon as u see Multi-purchases in expansions it flags red to most Players looking for new MMOs, Removing the purchase cost of the orginal game on the Next Expansion is the BEST way to run things it brings MORE to the game.

Pretty Pixie.8603:

What EAnet owes us is non shady business practices. They charge $50 and then do not include a character slot so you can’t actually experience all of the content if you do not have one available to cynically wring another $10 buck out of you. They price it at $50 because of a captive audience; everyone that wants future content is required to have HoT, with the possible exceptions of content like halloween etc. never mind that you’re expected to drop the money with limited knowledge of what’s included.

Anyone dropping $50 is doing that with the information they have now. And I for one don’t consider what has been revealed so far worth $50.

1) Why do they owe u a Character slot for free? What have u done they makes u so Deserving?..

U paid $50 3 years ago, People Give More then that to MMos in 2 days of Play these days…. Rift charge u that much just to use the 2 extra Souls ur class would have, What u paid for In this day and age is the Equilivant of not EVEN a classes Worth of the Dollar.

U assume that u are owed something, without even Understand Enconomy how can u Judge Weather somethings WORTH the money before u even know the WORTH of the Dollar, by your opinon U dont beleive

£34 ($50) is not Worth 3 WvW Maps, Incredibly Detailed and Multi-Purposeful Guild Halls a New Class 8 New Specializations, New PvE content, New Story Line, Instant Access to All Betas

SO how come you beleive this

While People in Rift Fork out £40 so they may access all corners of their class?…. Why do they beleive that is WORTH THEIR MONEY, but u think something 500x More then that is not?…

Everquest 2 Charge £34 for thje Expansions Same price as Guild Wars 2 even though their newest expansion is over a Year old, They also charge £40 to unlock the two new Classes.. and can charge as much as £40 for ONE race unlock.

Still Community agrees its WORTH the money.

Btw these games also require the sub to have full access to those games.

The issue is… Its OBVIOUS to Both Arena Net and EVERYONE ELSE by the Marketted prices of Expansions In THIS DAY AND AGE and how much these expansions Include in them that £34 is a CHEAP price to put on a Expansion.

WoW Cataclysm – P2P game so SHOULD be cheaper then anything GW2 Sell.

5 Levels 2 Races 4 Lands 2 Raids 0 Classes 0 Speccs – £34.99

How does a Expansion that SMALL with barely NOTHING to do it Cost the same price as GW2 on its Inital Release? i mean do you not SEE the problems here.. Where u compare what else u could have bought in the same price range?… That is offered Vastly More for the same price as things that had Nothing in comparison?

the OP is right.

Players seem to of built a player entilitment built on absolutely nothing, ur not paying Subscription fees, Laurel among many other things have been given to you as rewards for your loyalty, things new players wont get, not atleast as many as u have, you have been given thousands of gems and monies worth of them over the years.

u paid $50 ages ago, So what?.. if anything the Inital game was Ridiculously Underpriced.

WoD – Costed £40 – 10 levels + 5 Lands + 0 Races + 0 Classes + 0 Speccs + 0 Raids (til 2 months in) + 0 Dailys + Failure called Garrisons… a boring Rushed Expansion.

for £34 you guys got 80 Levels + TONS OF everything + 8 Classes and god knows how many skillsets and everything else Constant Content updates and things for absolute free..

u guys fail to understand, u guys Paid $50 (£34) for the base game, Where the value of the base game was Prolly over £100. The VALUE of this Expansion is Closer to the actual cost of the Expansion which is why you guys are reacting so badly towards it…

They gave U something for Basically Free… Selling it that cheap was basically a crime in this day and Age they could have Gotten SO Much more money for this game orginally but they didnt they werent greedy and stuck with a Nice budgetable price.

You guys dont take into account how much ANet give u free… and How much money u save a Month as this game hjas 0 Sub Model. the games “overpriced” because its their Sole forced Profit. its the ONLY thing they make u pay into.

U just dont get WHY they need to put that sort of Price tag on their expansions…….

U guys would much prefer the game be $20 with the Core game included and to cause Arena net to go into Debt and have to shut the game down Purely from not making the money to cover the Costs of the releases. then wonder why it died and blame those who dont buy gems.

Jski.6180:

You may end up killing what your waiting for if you wait too long but i have to agree never per-order back a kickstarer etkittenil you get more info. Its just odd ppl seem to be more willing to buy dreams with kickstaers that have no real info. then per-ordering games they know well.

If u want to play GW2 Past the release of the expansion u may aswell buy it.

This is how i work it out.

This New expansion holds the new Lands, the only REAL PvE for the game, (so ur going to require to have this to see the proper pve or it’ll be locked to u… so still no Content at all for you) if u pvp tese elite speccs are likely to kick the crap out of u.

So U might ASWELL pre-order, thats how ALOT See it, not Everyones unsure weather they will or will not stay in the next expansion, as realistically the only reason u should be Judging if you should or should not pay for this is if ur not sure if you’ll stick at the game in the next expansion.

its a MMO you knmow as much as i do that ur pretty much going to forced into paying for this expansion if your planning any long term staying in it, U’ll be short-strawed every DPS Fight.. and at everything in pvp, if u think they’re Brand new Shiny releases are going to be Weaker then ur standard builds or even balanced the likelyhood is ur wrong, they will prolly design this game to fit Them INTO the meta for atleast the first 6 months of the Expansion release.

jumped into £80 Ultimate, £34 for a Expansion? Bargin… WoW Charged me £40 in a P2P game for 1/4 of the Actual Expansion for the first 4 months of the kitten release, not to mention to unplayability of it..

EQ2 charge the same Price for a 1 year old Expansion and Even just to have the new classes in Micro-transactions.

Rift charge More for Just Souls FOR the classes…

So Bargain tbh, if £40 is only worth 2 Extra Souls for a Class in this market, its Defintly Worth Just GH / WvW Maps Elite Specializations + New Classes even if theres nothing else to the game.

We arnt being “lame anet buyers” we just have More faith in the company and have Less value for the Pound therefore our sights on what £34 buys us is ALOT less then you beleive.

no expansion in this day and age is as Big as the Inital Game, 99% of em are the same price as the Inital Game. thats Gaming today they’re a company.. Money is what they want.

Someone has to buy it, to do the Beta to tell u if its good, this way you get to see it all BEFORE u purchase and Still get Pre-purchase rights and Even the deals on the biger packages, so it Helps YOU as much as US doing what we want… so directly Insulting us is Just a Awful way to go around your point.

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Zoul.1087:

Drayos.8759:

see i dont see that as a issue myself, because we havnt actually seen all of the new expansion, just highlights of the different things coming into the game overall, we havnt been shown anything which would actually say exactly how much content ur buying into.

Once those who have insta-purchased go into Betas i think u’ll see a Proper sight of what your really getting, so i feel that content level isnt shown enough to know what your getting into, and yes paying into something that u dont know is a risk.

but WoW among many others do the exact same thing with even less information on what you pay for, as far as i understand those in the inital game were in the exact same placement

but when it comes to really battleing weather the expansion is overpriced for the Length and entertainment of what is. in GW2 as it has no sub model u have no additional charges, which ofcourse will make the expansions more expensive, its their one ensured profit… they have nothing else which would force players to pay into the game… so u have to see that side of it.

over Three years.

WoW – £9.99 a month + £40 a Year… 120+120 = £240x3 for 3 years.

Wildstar £40 (no Expansions were released) + £9 = 108 + 40 = £148x3.

Now to run into F2P games

EQ2 – Paying for classes = £20 each, (2 classes atm) Races = £10 fdor vampire and £20-£40 for Drakken so £40 minimum so far.. Mercs require Payment of £10, Reforging = £10 now £60

Sub isnt required but u lose out on a few things not having it… so to Benefit 100% of what they can offer due to locks on exp weekends etc etc u’d have to pay. + £34 per expansion..

Thats coming to like £100 to access everything + £9

i mean Guild wars 2 by far is the cheapest investment of MMOs… and In comparison to other forms of entertainment on the majority MMOs as a whole are cheaper, so i feel like u cant really accuse GW2 for ripping people off, they are charging u alot less.. for the exact same amount of stuff any other MMO generally delievers in expansions in todays prices.

Some MMOs are completely free. So this is not a justification.

Name some please.

Cause f2p games More often then not require Payment Sources

EQ2 – 2 classes locked at £20 each. 2 Races locked at £20+ Each. Reforging Locked at £10 Mercenaries locked at £10, Cant Wear Raid armour Fabled or Legendary gear without Subscribing. – JUST THOSE cost more then this Expansion alone.

Rift – Can simply outdo ur enemies by paying RL Money for your gear. Grindfest without Subscription. Souls Locked £40 to get em all… AGAIN to have the whole game it is ONCE MORE far more expensive then This expansion.

Tera – Grindfest without paying Sub Atleast.

Aion – Grindfest without Paying, and on EU without goldbox u cant wear/use/trade/broker at all and just repeatively wiped the floor with.

Im looking to see These “COMPLETELY” free games…

this is what i dont understand to unlock 2 Classes is more expensive in the MMO World then this expansion is and ur questioning its value? lol, and with the souls it physically locks u like elite specializations in this game… putting ur class at a disadvantage ur expected to pay £40 to have them witohut any other additions or bonus’s Juist simply 2 Souls on ur main class.

You basically just listed a bunch of GW2s without initial payments. Congrats.
DCUO is another one, and so was post-sub CoX before NCsoft ran it into the ground. Let’s see how long until they do the same with GW2.

They all Charge u for expansions dude lmfao, read up on them before you do.

EQ2 Expansion is like a Year old and they still sell it for the same price as GW2 for their brand new pre-purchase, so dont act like EQ2 have been less Steep.

Rift charge u £20 for Every component of the kitten Expansions Every year dragging £40-£60 out of u each year Instead Because ur class Absolutely sucks Without the Additional Souls as they design em to be that way.

Tera Just puts u on a Deathloop with no chance to survive for AGES at this point as Older players and paying Players Rip you to shreds with Twinking.

Aion is same manor, Pay to Twink and Wipe the floor with you.

Aion and Tera are the only two NOT to charge fees for What they release in a Expansion, and they are Korean games and Generally do not.

NCSoft have a Bad Rep for Shutting games down without a second Chance, not Running things into the floor, NCSoft run some kitten good games with pretty kitten good Populations Fanbases and Love, so insulting NCSoft isnt really Required, Specially as they have nothing to do with the Expansion Costs… NCSoft in most of their games do not have Expansion Costs.