Guild Wars 2

Heres my Sylvari =D

Amins, serious question. Why you no post for 14 days?!

Anicetus.1253:

I answered your question, saying “compated to available recources”.

Obtena.7952

Let me ask an even simpler question and it should be a real easy one for you … what ARE your criteria for what makes a build bad or good?

Excelling at either survivability, support or damage or taking a compromise in order to achieve better results overall.
As an example 0/0/30/30/10 is a good build under the specification of self-sustain only.
10/25/0/0/10/25 is a good build.

Bad builds are the opposite, neither excelling at anything nor being a trade of.
0/15/30/20/5 is worse than 10/30/0/5/25 in all means. Once the optimum (or something significantly better) is known, anything else becomes bad.

Thats a very post wow way to look at it. I guess that works for pve though. My trait spread in wvw for my GS/Hammer build is 0/15/30/20/5 (different trait selections than what is in this guide though) and it works extremely well for me.

linfurong.9032:

EFWinters.5421:

Atreidies.6257:

Fk I wish we ran 30-40 oceanic. We weren’t attempting to take your garri we just wanted to be inside to farm you guys. If u don’t believe me I can link the footage with our TS conversation. Straight up tower farm and survivability test

For some reason a survivability test against 5 people when you are running 30+ just doesn’t seem too implausible when we are talking about Oceanic players so I’ll let this one slide.

sigh

You seem to want to assume a lot of things about our play style. Our survivability test is obviously not about your 5 people, it’s about the siege.

I know you’re angry about the match up, I get it. But if you want to talk trash about our guild and how bad we are, we’re open to GvGs so you and your guild or your friends or whatever can have an even fight with us and then you can have all the bragging rights in the world if you win, mk? Until your side actually shows up, we’ll never know.

You do realize that your side is the side thats all like “We’re the best because we have superior skill and tactics! Our numbers are just a small part of why we’re winning!” right? Talk about chest thumping, lol

People need to say which aspect of the game they are talking about (WvW, PvE, SPvP) because some of these suggestions make sense in one, but not the other two.

Bucket Lips.5017:

ActionCat.4162:

The best part about my post.. is that i posted on the wrong kitten server match up.. HAAAAAHHAHA! … IMA FAIL!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

I shoulda went to the SBI/BP/DB thread…… lol :P

No worries Dude, I actually miss fighting you guys. DB is the only server other than FA (in the silver league) that understands that zerging is part of the game. I really miss the TC, DB & FA fights we used to have, before this stupid league thing started.

Although by default I am supposed to hate you guys. DB is the only server in the silver league that I respect, because you don’t whine any cry every 2 seconds like rest of them. I look forward to our battles in week 7!

OFC zerging is part of the game. Everyone knows that. The difference between this game and other games that have had wvw aspects is that the zerglings knew their place, down in the slums or gutters. But thanks to the 5-man aoe cap and casual aspect to this game, zerglings are forgetting their place. Its gonna be great when some of you bring your zerg guilds over to CU for ‘a more serious rvr experience’ and get completely destroyed by a simple flank from a bomber group because you forgot how to pan the camera.

Those who throw stones labeled “useless dodges” shouldn’t live in glass houses with the welcome mat that says “we always dodge attacks and keep unscathed defender up”

They shoot out blades that look like twilight

Has anyone heard of this tod guild before? Lol

haviz.1340:

Dynnen.6405:

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

I would forgot, what about Liadri?

Took me 5 or 6 times. Why?

Twilight changes GS 2 and 5. It changes the light blue whirl attacks to rectangular shards that look just like Twilight. Eternity changes it back to normal

Anicetus.1253:

Dynnen.6405:

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

I’d suggest you to actually watch his videos, i had one in mind where he and someone else were at some camp, no enemies shooting him. Two dodges at full health. They engange and because he has no endurance left he facetanks. But hey, PVT armor exists for a reason… i guess?

Thanks for calling me a casual by the way, really appreciate it.
I really like how wvw’ers are looking down to pve’ers.

On a serious note: thanks for explaining all that, not that i needed it, that’s common sense. Just like dodging obvious animations like pin down should be. I feel like too many (pretty much all) wvw’ers forget about dodging important stuff. I can understand it isn’t needed in zergs or blobs but that results in a problem when they encounter pve’ers with offensive builds.

Only “look down” on people that think pve has any real difficulty past the first 4 times you run an instance, dungeon, etc. Try EQ1 or maybe even classic wow starting at AQ 40 and beyond if you want something a little less challenging lol. This game’s pve is quite stale.

Anicetus.1253:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyTFB_dfblw

Pingpong! But hey, dodged one hammer smash before the animation started. I’ll take that as you being a seer.

1) that is Oozo, not Amins.
2) Yes there were a few dodges that were random, but most were avoiding some form of cc like binding blades
3) This video was taken to show how up levels, who normally don’t have a chance in www, have even less chance with how stupid the orb system was. He didn’t get any pressure from those guys when he should have had some since there were 3 of them.
4) the up levels were not casting abilities when most people would.

But nice attempt at straw manning the argument there…strong work lol

Anicetus.1253:

Brutaly.6257:

Dub.1273:

Amins.3710:

Anicetus.1253:

Amins.3710:

spoj.9672:

We arent dedicated pvpers or wvwers so were not experts though!

Spot On.

Glad this is finally clarified.

./grin

I’ve got nothing else. Sorry.

PS: Keep em coming Silent. Look at all the free press you’re getting! woot woot

I like your youtube channel, seeing random dodges makes me giggle.

People who think they’re random make me giggle. :=]

PS: Don’t forget to subscribe!

Yeah, got to dodge without any attacks incoming, in order to make sure to be out of endurance when something comes, so you can facetank it!

Its wvw he dodges in and in that format there are several obvious reasons to dodge besides avoiding damage. So no need to be condescending/smug/sarcastic, why not instead ask him why he dodges with no incoming damage.

Because of the obviously incoming hits a second later. He might accidently dodge them by hesitating, if he had endurance.

In www there are plenty of reasons to dodge when an attack is not coming. Healing allies taking damage while attempting to stomp, close/open ground between you and an enemy while having soft cc on you, give yourself a little healing prior to stomping a player. I know these may seem foreign to a pve casual, where pve attacks come telegraphed or easily predictable; but the dodges aren’t random =D

Hunter.4783:

Amins.3710:

Fun Fight w/ Standard ZD Build

Very unorganized and sloppy gameplay on either side of the zerg. All people did was group on whoever overextended and try to chip in enough dmg to tag the enemy before going down.
Im not impressed with clips.

Try to include 1vX or even 3vX, but not this kind of gameplay.

Sorry if im being blunt but I don’t like sugar-coating things or stroking egos.

Lol, it’s not like this is his own video. He has a ton of vids like that on his YouTube page. Plus how can you say that the virtue of courage activation to secure the stomp wasn’t clutch?

process execution.8014:

I’d like to see Flashing Blade drop some kind of control symbol at its destination, that pulses Cripple, Chill or Torment. IMO sword should be a dueling weapon but it currently lacks a way to keep the pressure on the enemy.

That’s guardian in general unfortunately

Aminz, the last few vids have contained the right amount of Dynnen =D
And 8k hammer crit? LAWD HAVE MERCAY

How about change shield 4 to this:3 seconds of block. At the end of the block gain 1 second of protection to you and your party for every blocked attack (max 6 seconds of protection, 30 second cooldown).

Tibstrike.2974:

Dynnen.6405:

Tibstrike.2974:

Dynnen.6405:

Tibstrike.2974:

Jay.7546:

You know I’m sorry but I just can’t get jazzed playing a server like FA or SBI who has a wvw population so large that they can not only cap both their opponents BLs but still run a large zerg in EB and have enough to man towers in their corner.

It’s not an impressive feat of skill or show of ingenious tactics. It’s like watching a tsunami from the shore. Nothing skillful about brute force. I know they have to keep active by map watching and waiting for us to attempt upgrades before they let out zerg #8 of 40 to just cap and run.

Any money I would have spent to buy gold for upgrades and siege is not leaving my pocket now. How were transfers allowed to beef up certain servers and hurt others after leagues were set. I mean, IOJ lost a couple guilds that provided manpower that enabled us to be ranked silver then left before the league started. Not that those guilds were exceptional but they had bodies. Any subtraction from IOJ was an addition to FA. So it was a double hit in the number dept.

Trading deadlines are set in professional sports for a reason. If not, the teams with the best record towards the end of the season would just cherry pick stars for the playoffs. That is basically what happened here. And it has hurt IOJ and other servers I’ve talked to because who wants to play against a blob and just spend good money after bad when all that is happening is those two servers are just getting more and more transfers damaging the rest of the league. Sort of short sighted if you ask me.

TLDR: Nothing that anyone who plays WvW doesn’t already know. I’m sorry we left IoJ, but we did what was best for our guild. You guys are putting up a mad fight however. Don’t sell yourself short.

I heard the sausage on the bandwagon tastes great!

I’m not entirely sure what you are referring to, but since these are internet forums I shall asshme the worst. It always seems to be about who is the bandwagon server doesnt it? And its always not the server you are on. Funny how that works out.

Anyways. Remember people, this is how the forums go:

First Place: Nice work 2nd and 3rd! Keep up the good fights! L2defend better as well!

Second Place: kittening zerging 1st placers. Stop zerging so much! L2P with skill! Good fights 3rd place!

Third Place: kitten you all! And shut the kitten up 2nd place! You zerg just as hard! Keep working hard 3rd Place. All dem bags!

Note: Exceptions are made for NSP who are fairly consistent with L2Roam and L2P.

Feel free to adjust to your preferrex language!

Ofc it doesn’t matter to those who bandwagon, lol. But to those who don’t bandwagon it’s kinda lame that you left them out to dry like that.

Umm, yeah. Look to your own tag there. Bsty used to be a DR guild as far as I know. Great fighters all, but it looks like you guys “bailed” as well.

And the post by Vis about PvE patch day was a funny one, albeit true. IoJ has always had problems with large PvE patches. While they eventually come back by reset time, the borderlands become a wasteland with only a few defenders. And then the people who come back wonder why everything is paper. Personally, it is why I like FA. While people do play the PvE patches, it is not nearly as noticeable as there are many more WvW guilds who can cover the gaps that may appear. That is why I voted to move to FA.

Ofc we bailed, and we got some hate for it. But there is a difference from bailing on a server that can barely full queue a BL and a server like IoJ. I think we left the 10 SoCo people left in DR High and dry. then we got to repeatedly kill them when they xfered off DR a week later.

I mean we hated fighting IoJ because their insanely high oceanic night team. So no idea why you would leave that since ioj is clearly not a dead server.

sephiroth.4217:

Dynnen.6405:

sephiroth.4217:

Dynnen.6405:

sephiroth.4217:

Sororita.3465:

i play a celestial necro, am i FotM yet ?

-Starlight Honeybuns [BUNS] IoJ
Timelord to Lillium Honeybuns
#apparently im not allowed a signature anymore

Haven’t you heard? Even ranger is FotM
Might aswell make a new rule “EVERY CLASS IS FOTM”

Bro! My bad bro! The internet where I am right now is as bad as that other guy who could only watch on 480p (although I got 1080p, just loaded slow) thought I saw him running the regen/evade build that has been fotm. But its been strong for a few months so maybe you’re right and it isn’t fotm anymore. Good catch!

FotM build for rangers is the signant build.
Signants effect the player aswell as the pet. Well at least that’s what I see 8-10 rangers run.

You’re right. That ranger had no idea what was going on lol. But the commander was an alt? What about the guys with guard stacks? And that was a lot of nourishment for some alt fun time. Cmdr sigil and full food seems a bit much for non serious time =P

It’s cute your friend is getting you to fight his battles but all this crying from you guys has gotten old.

Also, I think my words were “we were playing on alts” can’t fault the commander for having to put up with us being rally bots running 2 scorpion wires and 30/30/0/10/0 traits to troll.

But yer, you and your FB should just get over it mate.
All I originally said was a great 6 hours with wipes on both sides and then your friend pounced on us with 1 video of 1 fight and made insults, I really can’t be bothered with it anymore and as most of IOJ knows, we were planning on transferring and Ebay with the respect most showed was looking to be number 1 choice at the time but you and your friend have really shown what your server is like, Thank you.

If it makes you guys feel any better, we are currently on your BL running 4 engies to troll with supply crates, feel free to come wipe us if you like.

Lol. This response.
1) ff7 is old, way to make an original name for yourself from a dry and boring bad guy.
2) you’re finally catching on that one of us is trolling you, and you switched to argue with me…grats
3) my FB (whatevertehkittenhatmeans) has been beating your kitten as bad as we smashed your perplexity spaming, half alt, full food, commander led group since I started reading this forum. So him needing help arguing you in circles is about as funny as you walking lootbags not being able to chase down a dps guard.
4) if you really wanna xfer to ebay go for it. It has perks like your aussie friends being able to fight on their primetime and not get regulated to pvd, and you dont get trolled by me or repeatedly beaten in game or on the forums. We’re nice people as long as you’re on our server. See? Perks!

TheFiendishFiend.4057:

To those saying solo roaming is dead, this video was posted in February. Let it be an omen to all would-be fancy schmancy solo roamers out there— deep, from the days of yore:
We Will Find You, and then you know the rest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_9giwoRAvY

HAHAAAHAHAAHA

Holy kitten…a zergling that doesn’t click. That deserves a slow clap! Nice!…ohh wait you drew swords on the map attacking one person. Sry, I gotta downgrade this to a snooty golf clap.

#sureIwilleatthattrollbait

sephiroth.4217:

Dynnen.6405:

sephiroth.4217:

Sororita.3465:

i play a celestial necro, am i FotM yet ?

-Starlight Honeybuns [BUNS] IoJ
Timelord to Lillium Honeybuns
#apparently im not allowed a signature anymore

Haven’t you heard? Even ranger is FotM
Might aswell make a new rule “EVERY CLASS IS FOTM”

Bro! My bad bro! The internet where I am right now is as bad as that other guy who could only watch on 480p (although I got 1080p, just loaded slow) thought I saw him running the regen/evade build that has been fotm. But its been strong for a few months so maybe you’re right and it isn’t fotm anymore. Good catch!

FotM build for rangers is the signant build.
Signants effect the player aswell as the pet. Well at least that’s what I see 8-10 rangers run.

You’re right. That ranger had no idea what was going on lol. But the commander was an alt? What about the guys with guard stacks? And that was a lot of nourishment for some alt fun time. Cmdr sigil and full food seems a bit much for non serious time =P

Tibstrike.2974:

Dynnen.6405:

Tibstrike.2974:

Jay.7546:

You know I’m sorry but I just can’t get jazzed playing a server like FA or SBI who has a wvw population so large that they can not only cap both their opponents BLs but still run a large zerg in EB and have enough to man towers in their corner.

It’s not an impressive feat of skill or show of ingenious tactics. It’s like watching a tsunami from the shore. Nothing skillful about brute force. I know they have to keep active by map watching and waiting for us to attempt upgrades before they let out zerg #8 of 40 to just cap and run.

Any money I would have spent to buy gold for upgrades and siege is not leaving my pocket now. How were transfers allowed to beef up certain servers and hurt others after leagues were set. I mean, IOJ lost a couple guilds that provided manpower that enabled us to be ranked silver then left before the league started. Not that those guilds were exceptional but they had bodies. Any subtraction from IOJ was an addition to FA. So it was a double hit in the number dept.

Trading deadlines are set in professional sports for a reason. If not, the teams with the best record towards the end of the season would just cherry pick stars for the playoffs. That is basically what happened here. And it has hurt IOJ and other servers I’ve talked to because who wants to play against a blob and just spend good money after bad when all that is happening is those two servers are just getting more and more transfers damaging the rest of the league. Sort of short sighted if you ask me.

TLDR: Nothing that anyone who plays WvW doesn’t already know. I’m sorry we left IoJ, but we did what was best for our guild. You guys are putting up a mad fight however. Don’t sell yourself short.

I heard the sausage on the bandwagon tastes great!

I’m not entirely sure what you are referring to, but since these are internet forums I shall asshme the worst. It always seems to be about who is the bandwagon server doesnt it? And its always not the server you are on. Funny how that works out.

Anyways. Remember people, this is how the forums go:

First Place: Nice work 2nd and 3rd! Keep up the good fights! L2defend better as well!

Second Place: kittening zerging 1st placers. Stop zerging so much! L2P with skill! Good fights 3rd place!

Third Place: kitten you all! And shut the kitten up 2nd place! You zerg just as hard! Keep working hard 3rd Place. All dem bags!

Note: Exceptions are made for NSP who are fairly consistent with L2Roam and L2P.

Feel free to adjust to your preferrex language!

Ofc it doesn’t matter to those who bandwagon, lol. But to those who don’t bandwagon it’s kinda lame that you left them out to dry like that.

Tibstrike.2974:

Jay.7546:

You know I’m sorry but I just can’t get jazzed playing a server like FA or SBI who has a wvw population so large that they can not only cap both their opponents BLs but still run a large zerg in EB and have enough to man towers in their corner.

It’s not an impressive feat of skill or show of ingenious tactics. It’s like watching a tsunami from the shore. Nothing skillful about brute force. I know they have to keep active by map watching and waiting for us to attempt upgrades before they let out zerg #8 of 40 to just cap and run.

Any money I would have spent to buy gold for upgrades and siege is not leaving my pocket now. How were transfers allowed to beef up certain servers and hurt others after leagues were set. I mean, IOJ lost a couple guilds that provided manpower that enabled us to be ranked silver then left before the league started. Not that those guilds were exceptional but they had bodies. Any subtraction from IOJ was an addition to FA. So it was a double hit in the number dept.

Trading deadlines are set in professional sports for a reason. If not, the teams with the best record towards the end of the season would just cherry pick stars for the playoffs. That is basically what happened here. And it has hurt IOJ and other servers I’ve talked to because who wants to play against a blob and just spend good money after bad when all that is happening is those two servers are just getting more and more transfers damaging the rest of the league. Sort of short sighted if you ask me.

TLDR: Nothing that anyone who plays WvW doesn’t already know. I’m sorry we left IoJ, but we did what was best for our guild. You guys are putting up a mad fight however. Don’t sell yourself short.

I heard the sausage on the bandwagon tastes great!

sephiroth.4217:

Sororita.3465:

i play a celestial necro, am i FotM yet ?

-Starlight Honeybuns [BUNS] IoJ
Timelord to Lillium Honeybuns
#apparently im not allowed a signature anymore

Haven’t you heard? Even ranger is FotM
Might aswell make a new rule “EVERY CLASS IS FOTM”

Bro! My bad bro! The internet where I am right now is as bad as that other guy who could only watch on 480p (although I got 1080p, just loaded slow) thought I saw him running the regen/evade build that has been fotm. But its been strong for a few months so maybe you’re right and it isn’t fotm anymore. Good catch!

sephiroth.4217:

EFWinters.5421:

sephiroth.4217:

OMG LOLOLLOL there is not 1 heavy class in the fight, it’s 2 necro’s, 2 thieves, a ranger and an engie and you wanna talk about FotM while playing a necro, good job on putting your foot in your mouth mate.

What are you talking about? Are you even capable of identifying what build the necro is running? Protip: it’s not FotM dumbfire.

sephiroth.4217:

Edit: My guild chat at the moment is full of lots of lolz, thanks for that aha

Yes that’s a surprisingly prevalent way of dealing with defeat and subsequent humiliation.

Ansilon.6230:

A 30 second video showing one (maybe 2, I could only play the video on 420p), doesn’t make us “bad”.

Perhaps the quality of the video (1440p, if you don’t have crap internet) shouldn’t concern you nearly as much as the fact that it takes you that long to wipe 8v5.

Ansilon.6230:

If you get us all on our prime (the class any of our members is most comfortable playing on) we are a fairly destructive crew.

List of things you never do:

• Focus fire.
• Revive your downed.
• Stay cohesive without overextending.

These are the reasons you are losing, and they are the reasons you would still lose to us with the same numbers if you were on your mains.

Ansilon.6230:

Anyways, yada yada, post more comments “x is bad”, yada yada, “Record one stomp, post video on forums, x is bad”. Rinse. Repeat.

Hence why I’m sad that you left after only getting wiped twice (to smaller numbers).

I’m sorry but this is the biggest lol ever, you are clearly hurt about it all or mad, r u mad?

I mean look, we came on here, said great fights with EB all night for a solid 6 hours with wipes on both sides, some of your server mates agreed with us, we never denied dying to you guys being on our alts but yet you continue to chest thump and make up your own things.

you say we stacked guards that fight: We didn’t even have a heavy.
You say we played FotM: When has Ranger EVER been a FotM
You say it was 2x the numbers, we had 6 and you guys had 4-5 on TS the video shows it, you rightfully should have won that even if we were not on alts.

I would have left it with just “great fights to everyone all round for 6 hours with wipes on both sides” but instead you have to cry your heart out about it all over 1 measely fight.

This conversation should have ended a long time ago, I’m not your mum, grow up kid.
I seriously have no idea how many times I can give you facts for you to attempt to twist in your own way. Even your own video proved everything I said from the beginning and you still try to twist it….. Le sigh,

Think I’m being trolled.

how did the servers not kick this post back? Saying ‘you mad bro?’ While at the same time trying to call someone a kid and claim the ‘mature high ground’ is clearly a violation.

do you know why people go 30 deep into valor? Because for us to survive in spvp or wvw we need that toughness since our base hp is so outta whack.

Thanks knee-jerk beta nerfs!

‘We can’t have a clad have tons of self healing and tons of damage!’ I just wish our beta versions would have had the damage and self healing warriors have right now.

Know what I’ve been saying since beta?

FIX OUR GD WEAPONS. I mean every time I cast sword 3 I break another keyboard through the rage it causes me.

sephiroth.4217:

EFWinters.5421:

sephiroth.4217:

EFWinters.5421:

Here is a video of the [AD] megazerg aided by a buffed supervisor going down to a small [RUN] skillgroup. And other stuff.

See? thanks for proving my point about alts lol look at them skilled scouts and invaders/assualters.

I see just as many guard stacks on both teams? Besides, isn’t low ranks the nature of things when you reroll to play FotM every so often? I guess I could try to type out some argument here but I have the feeling it will fly right above your head, so I’ll just say:

You are bad (you can really tell from the video, it’s not about being on alts), your excuse is bad and emoting players who will come back to stomp you 1:2 is a bad idea.

Toodles.

OMG LOLOLLOL there is not 1 heavy class in the fight, it’s 2 necro’s, 2 thieves, a ranger and an engie and you wanna talk about FotM while playing a necro, good job on putting your foot in your mouth mate.

It’s quite obvious you are seriously hurt in the feels too about all this, would giving you a snickers make you feel better?

Good try though buddy

Edit: My guild chat at the moment is full of lots of lolz, thanks for that aha

I heard condi necros/engie, thieves, and healaway rangers are NOT fotm classes. so is it just too much easy mode in one sitting that it shoots the skill meter back over to the bad side? Another thing I heard is if you play the class from launch you get out of the fotm lols.

That was a nice edit btw, baddies not realizing they are baddies and laughing at what they don’t understand is 2x the lols. So thanks for that aha! :-) :-) :-)….zzzzz…

Tibstrike.2974:

BLKNovember.5620:

Visirale.6097:

IOJ schooled FA tonight in keep defense in EB. Frankly, I’m mostly just proud of IOJ. We were disorganized and running multiple tags most of the night. FA is already in the karma train mentality and is getting soft I think. We had the map queued, and IOJ had (I’m guessing) 30 people on the map? Great job IOJ.

FA could be in for some rude awakenings once leagues are over and we’re at a population disadvantage again.

You seem to be forgetting that this is FA’s 8177168th week into leagues and the only server even close to a legitimately equal opponent we met in battle was SBI. You expect us to take every aspect of these match ups seriously? I don’t expect you to understand, but we’ve been frustrated with how little amount of competition we are getting, I am not an offensive commander, I have never been, yet I was in EB last night attacking a keep, what does that say to you? And that little comment about you being there when we fought BG, but not me? PRO has been in FA since the start, and so have I. I’ve been there commanding in FA BL since we were getting smashed by CD, TC, and YB because we just didn’t have the coverage. I was there before the IoJ transfers that gave us the numbers we needed to stay competitive, and I will be there even when the server begins to die, if it ever does. I admit, I was out of my element, doing something I don’t usually do, but at least I tried and learned from it. I do not, however, appreciate tagless CORE members throwing down siege keeping us from building what we need to get built, you were in our TS, we see your names. And I do not appreciate you making assumptions and starting something when you have no prior knowledge about me or my guild. You can come back with a better attitude about things and try to work as a team, or leave the server because if you can’t then it’s clearly not for you.

Woah. Hold on there dude. No need to get all worked up. Yes its the middle of silver league and we are stomping left and right. But that doesn’t change the fact that FA has gotten a little sloppy. Thats fine. Happens to everyone in matches like this. I’m sorry CORE has been going a little stir crazy but like you said, does it really matter? We have history with IoJ. That happens too.

Vis was making an observation and complimenting IoJ on their defense. They are taking advantage of FA just as FA takes advantage of higher tier servers I imagine.

Yes CORE hasn’t been here long but we are having a great time of it and appreciate what FA has got interms of guilds and community. Its great stuff. So I’m sorry that we have upset you. Keep up the good work.

Lol @ stomping.

Far superior numbers? Check
far superior coverage? Check

quick guys! Claim the idea that we are stomping before they realize we tanked our ppt to get into the silver leagues so we would have an easier time fighting for that all important ppt so we can say we are stomping people.

Such a cute mentality to have. Like a bag of puppies cute. Is it so hard for ppt loving zerglings to admit they are ‘stomping’ through sheer numbers and coverage?

Tyrion.5764:

CRAIG.9862:

Heh, miss you too man. And I’m glad you don’t go to EB, it seems like that’s where FA goes to get constantly wiped.

P.S. just so the neck bearders don’t start throwing their feces everywhere, YES FA did wipe us once or twice…. But is a 70v25 really worth bragging about? You got a few wipes on us, but you Aspenwoodies need to stop getting your blobs beat consistently by a tagless guild group. Just sayin.

And i just want to say can DIE please stop running man ? come on Reset night in Ebay " 5 BOMB + 20 militia " follow you until the PUZZLE of the map, i mean come on stay and fight . Is not why you guys leave SoR or you run over there too ? oh now i remmeber we face SoR and you run over there too do you want me to post the video here huh ?? just keep talking ^^

DIE can you please stop droppin siege everytime you face us, like in Ebay Hills at the inner N wall ,we kill you with no siege and you guys have ballista + 4 ac in that wall, it was funny too see you are scare of what could happen to you and one more time you run again and yes we die too but most of the time because you have siege, in open field battles well the history its very different ^^

BTW, since the leagues start none of the good guild from FA are in Eternal Battlegorund, EB its full of new commander and new militia, if you want a real battle go for a BL ^^

Well i was thinking in not write anything in this Match but [DIE] you earn it !

Video of Reset night check 2:00 min look [DIE] runnin to the PUZZLE to survive ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQgD14di4n4

Holy kitten dat clicking…how do you play like that?!

One of the first things we need as guards is the ability to soft cc. It’s a poor design choice to give the slowest ‘tankiest’ class zero soft cc options on weapons, traits, or utilities. This needs to be fixed quickly.

Those were some fun fights =D

How about change shield 4 to this:

3 seconds of block. At the end of the block gain 1 second of protection to you and your party for every blocked attack (max 6 seconds of protection, 30 second cooldown).

Basically it comes down to a few things that need to be fixed:

Some of the symbol traits need to be combined so that you can run something along with the symbols if you decide to go full into symbols. Also there needs to be some sort of dynamic play with symbols, such as causing chill on pulse or even changing hammer symbol of protection (light field) to symbol of protection (frost field). Sword 2 and 3, Scepter 1, 2, and 3, Hammer 2, 4, 5 (using hammer 2 down or up a hill will cause the AOE to detonate above or below the target and doesn’t hit it, Hammer 4 should be an 3 target aoe which would change it from a troll attack to a useful CC [maybe change the range from 750 to 500 if its aoe], hammer 5 has the same ‘clunkyness’ that warrior’s hammer 4 had and almost requires Judge’s Intervention), Off-hand 5 ability cooldowns on shield/focus are quite long, maybe shave off 5 seconds from them, torch 5 needs to cleanse on the Guardian as well as friendlies. Also

As far as utilities goes…spirit weapons need something done to them, they are nearly useless in wvw. Purging flames needs to remove condis on pulse, and last time I checked was still bugged. The cooldown on all the consecrations is absolutely insane for what they do and how easily they are countered. I could see having a high cooldown on sanctuary if it was the size of shield of absorption, but a tall norn can’t even fit inside. Maybe it wouldn’t be so bad if consecration traits were combined.

There are also traits that could be combined. Amins has some solid suggestions and so does Aza. I’ll put my 2 cents in once I get back from vacation, but for a very basic look at it…our traits need an overhaul. Combining some and moving some around would be great, much like what happened with warrior defense and discipline trait lines. If for some reason you wanted to go deep into symbol play you lose all the other traits from honor. And considering that theres still no way for Guards to soft CC targets and symbols have such low damage…this doesn’t make any sense.

Basically what is hampering Guards right now: Severe lack of soft CC, excessively low HP pool from beta nerfs (basically what warriors are right now with the insane self healing and damage, even beta Guardians weren’t anywhere near what Warriors are right now), poor weapon mechanics on specific weapons, signets/spirit weapons/consecrations/symbols need drastic improvements to make them useful.

All of my suggestions are based on experiences in wvw since its the most dynamic battlefield in the game. Also, unlike pve mobs, people move out of our ‘ground holding abilities’ and aren’t forced to stand in them to contest points.

JonPeters.5630:

The change to sword damage from 5% to 10%. I’ve seen a lot of talk that maybe it is not really needed. The fact was this was a lackluster trait and this is a lackluster change to it. I would love to do the right thing here and have a change that MH sword wants rather than just 5% more damage.

Thoughts?

Jon

While the trait change on sword is nice, it would be better to make sword 3 useful. Reflecting projectiles, cast on the move, improved tracking to ensure hits…there are a lot of good suggestions on this forum and the weapon itself is the main problem. Sword 2 could use some work as well.

As far as the change to the trait maybe add a burn effect to it or some other condition. Its one of the better weapons for applying burning through passive virtue of justice, traiting the sword damage and adding another condi would be a great place to bring up the condi game.

Loki.4139:

RazGerb.6173:

NNK and TFV, Please find better hobbies.

What’s another hobby besides steamrolling?

joke joke~~

Is a hobby where you fight smaller groups that you outnumber 3 to 1 very relaxing? It seems like it would be.

Vargamonth.2047:

I’ve thought on something like this for a long time. I don’t think, however, it should remain in Valor.

This change feels mainly PvP oriented (it could be used for some weird anchoring in PvE, but I don’t feel it specially gamechanging), with Valor already being quite a powerful traitline for this game mode.
A lot of offensive PvP guardian builds heavily invest in valor for meditations. Specs like x/30/30/x/x hit like a truck, so giving them the ability to reliably stick to their oponents could be OP.

IMHO it should be a master Zeal trait. This way, it would be impossible to have it on the previous build, forcing the guardian to give up either sustain or damage.

Another option could be a Grandmaster Zeal trait “VoJ and utility skills apply chill istead of burning”. This would allow using tools like Judges Intervention and Purging Flames as long lasting chill sources without boosting torch into a monster.

Zeal traitline should be slighty modified in any case in order to make this kind of traits appealing. The way it is now, with all those symbol traits as minors, it feels a waste to invest on.

A melee class being able to keep targets in range is OP? Are you serious?

So I guess warrior’s cripple/root spam, thieves cripple/stealth spam, ranger cripple/root spam is OP as well? lulllzzzzz….

Well we’d all love to hear where they want to take the class. I think thats the most important thing we should know atm.

Ahh, well we can have a discussion on that…and hopefully more of a discussion about the rest of the problems with the class mechanics. #fingerscrossed

Ohh and certain weapons reworked as well.

We got enough mobility to say that we have some, and I’m mostly ok with that. What I think Guardians need is a way to keep people from getting away. Most ‘tank’ classes in other MMOs that are built like Guardians have plenty of ways to keep people from getting away.

I’m using wvw as the perspective because in PVE the mobs just stand there and eat attacks in the teeth, and in SPvP if someone is trying to get away that means they aren’t contesting a point so its a win in your score.

As far as dynamic playstyle I’d like to see our virtues reworked, symbols reworked in the traits, something done with spirit weapons, and trait lines cleaned up. But…until we get a conversation going this is a 1 sided conversation thats just spinning its wheels.

When is the conversation Jon Peters said he was going to have on the Guardian forums? Anyone know?

Those NNK d/p and perplexity thieves outside EB spawn in eternal were some serious winners. Could hardly down people with even numbers, slightly superior numbers, and did fairly when when they definitely had a numbers advantage.

You guys should really be nice to the thief class, its putting your entire guild on its back and carrying you like Greg Jennings doe.

We’re gonna hang onto him akamon

JonPeters.5630:

Hello Guardians,

So I wanted to talk about the bigger discussion topics for the Dec changes for you as well.

Shattered Aegis
As soon as I get in on Monday, I’ll post the damage #s on this and the power scaling. I think a meaning ful discussion about this change is going to require that. One danger here is that big WvW zergs using this could be really powerful, but I will say that the numbers are decent.

Supreme Justice and Kindled Zeal
I feel like there is a build here, but TBH I haven’t gotten it to work in our internal testing yet. This is as good a place as any to talk about stat conversion traits.

Currently they do not convert 100% of a stat because certain stat bonuses such as those from signets do not get converted. For that reason we are being conservative but normalizing all of our conversions to the follow #s for now.
Minor: 5%,7%, and 10% respectively for adept, master and grandmaster.
Major: 7%,10%, and 13% respectively for adept, master, and grandmaster.

I’m not sure this will be enough, but I do not want these traits to be overpowered as I feel they are fairly passive. That being said, I think they are good simple traits and with 12 traits per line it is absolutely fine to have some passive simple to understand traits.

Another thing about this build is that you do not have all of the information you need about this power guardian right now, but I can’t reveal more without spoilers. /tease

Symbol of Swiftness
To clarify the new Symbol of Swiftness will give you 4 seconds of Swiftness every single pulse regardless of if you have swiftness or not. This is a improvement in many situations and a slight loss in the situation where you were using the Symbol as just a one time buff. I think this makes it feel more like a Symbol, which is good. We are still discussing the idea of it being 5 seconds, but there is some danger of that going pretty high with boon duration.

Power guardian vs Condition guardian
I think Dec 10th will see the emergence of the power guardian, but I think that the condition based guardian still has a ways to go. Ultimately this is because it is hard to cover the burning and frankly you need a good reliable second or even third condition that guardians simply do not have right now. I think for those professions lacking that 3rd damage condition we are looking at supplementing them via runes and sigils rather than skills/traits right now but that won’t be something we attempt until the build that follows the Dec 10th build.

I think that is everything for guardian and hopefully you enjoyed a few half spoiler/half teases.

Thanks,

Jon

Can’t wait till Monday! =D

Lol, thanks atse. I think this would be a great way to connect with the community as well as answer some lingering questions. No news is bad news when it comes to gaming =(

While its a good move in the right direction that the devs are approaching us to get our thoughts on what should be looked at (fresh eyes, etc) I would like to see an expansion of this. Here is a suggestion. For a week or two, the lead devs that head each class have a twitch stream where they describe where they want to take the class and its balance in each of the 3 places where we play (WvW, SPvP, PvE) and field questions on suggestions. It would be a long stream and multiple sessions for each class, but I think it would give a lot of people the answers we have been looking for as well as earn a lot of PR points.

What does everyone think? =D

If you are going to have a class that has low mobility you need to give them a way to keep enemies from getting away. We have next to nothing in terms of soft CCs. Warriors don’t have to worry about this since they have cripple on nearly every weapon and high mobility, but Guards have excessively low mobility and no soft CC. In every MMO that has had a tanky class like the Guard, they give them quite a few mechanics that assisted them in keeping enemies from getting away. I don’t know why this isn’t the case in GW2.

JonPeters.5630:

Guardian:
Tanky and supportive guardians are in a strong position in many gametypes. We do feel that damage guardians are not as powerful as they could be. While we don’t want guardians to be as strong offensively as some of the other classes (given their powerful defensive abilities) we opened up more offensive guardian builds.

• Zeal V – Shattered Aegis. Damage instead of Burning.
• Zeal VII – Zealous Blade. This trait now scales with Healing power (2%.)
• Zeal XII – Kindled Zeal. Increased conversion from 10% to 13%.
• Radiance V – Searing Flames. Reduced cooldown from 20s to 10s.
• Radiance X – Powerful blades. Increased damage from 5% to 10%.
• Valor V – Retributive Armor. Increased conversion rate from 5% to 7%.
• Honor VI – Pure of Heart. Increased scaling with Healing power from 25% to 40%.
• Virtues VIII – Supreme Justice. Number of attacks going from 4 to 3.
• Symbol of Swiftness: This skill now applies 4 seconds of swiftness per pulse, rather than 8 seconds if you have no swiftness and 1 second if you have swiftness.

Most of these changes are pretty solid. However there are still major problems with the weapons and other traits. Some of the symbol traits need to be combined so that you can run something along with the symbols if you decide to go full into symbols. Also there needs to be some sort of dynamic play with symbols, such as causing chill on pulse or even changing hammer symbol of protection (light field) to symbol of protection (frost field). Sword 2 and 3, Scepter 1, 2, and 3, Hammer 2, 4, 5 (using hammer 2 down or up a hill will cause the AOE to detonate above or below the target and doesn’t hit it, Hammer 4 should be an 3 target aoe which would change it from a troll attack to a useful CC [maybe change the range from 750 to 500 if its aoe], hammer 5 has the same ‘clunkyness’ that warrior’s hammer 4 had), Off-hand 5 ability cooldowns on shield/focus are quite long, maybe shave off 5 seconds from them, torch 5 needs to cleanse on the Guardian as well as friendlies. Spirit weapons need something done to them, they are nearly useless in wvw. Purging flames needs to remove condis on pulse, and last time I checked was still bugged.

In closing I will add that Guards can hold ground well, we just can’t keep someone on that ground. Please give us the tools to keep people fighting on our ground either through chill or symbol improvements. There are also quite a few other good suggestions on the Guardian forums.

Thanks in advance!