Guild Wars 2

Nihlus.9724:

I don’t understand all the negativity in this thread.

Let me start off by saying that it is perfectly within your right to think that the expansion is overpriced. Anyone criticizing anyone else for that belief is being a jerk. It is a perfectly reasonable plan to either not buy HoT due to the price or to wait for a price drop before buying it.

However, what is not reasonable is to assume you are entitled to anything that is not on the tin. The expansion is $50. Period. You are not entitled to any kind of discount, bonus, or second GW2 key just because the expansion comes with the core game for new members. You are not entitled to anything from HoT just because you’re an established GW2 player. The only thing you are entitled to are the things that are listed for the price they are listed. If you don’t think they’re a good value, then don’t buy them. Or wait until the price is lowered to the point where you feel it’s a good value. I personally will be playing HoT day one.

Also, consider World of Warcraft. Warlords of Draenor costs $49.99 too, and that has subscription fees ontop of that. WoW also grants you all the previous expansions if you buy the latest. But it used to not always be that way. So anytime a new player would come along, they’d have to buy the core game and several expansions just to get caught up. It was ridiculous.

Anet including the core game with the expansion is a kindness and convenience to new players, and it makes smart business sense. It is not an excuse to try and wheel and deal a lower price for yourself. People getting the core game for free now does not detract from the joy and value you’ve gotten out of playing GW2 up to this point. So please stop acting like Anet has kitten in your cereal.

Only unlike GW2, WoW actually had huge amounts of content in their expansions so you COULD buy them slowly.

Yes, why? Because it would STILL not have the character slot that was always added before in GW1.

Also, Heavensward, a honestly much better game right now, is coming out for $40 and $60 for the deluxe. What the kitten does HoT have that it deserves the higher price? What does it have to deserve the price of even $100? Not even freaking Blizzard did this!! The Collector’s edition for WoD is $80 and it comes with a huge amount of stuff!!

As it was shown in other threads, you even edited your own news. This is completely PATHETIC Anet.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

To clarify: $50 is the price of the expansion. We included the core game as a free bonus to make it easier for new players to get into it.

Can i ask why you decided on $50 when expansions like Heavensward are actually cheaper?

Shifu.4321:

Ephemiel.5694:

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is $40. Shut up.

Whoa! A whole $10 difference! What a game breaker!

Hell, even GW2’s monthly fee is higher.

And guess what it includes!? A completely new race, 3 new classes, new skills for everyone, class-specific Limit Breaks, completely new areas, flying, airships, dungeons and raids!!

What does HoT give us for $10 bucks more? Elite specs which won’t help the professions that much [Necro will still be dead], one new profession with 0 changes to reflect that it exists, and a couple new areas and the masteries.

Wonder which one gives more by a long shot?

The Rice Hat Samurai.5348:

waSte.8640:

Khristophoros.7194:

I am willing to pay $19.99 for an account upgrade that has the HoT content and includes a character slot. I am not interested in your products if you’re trying to scam me.

My thoughts exactly. Not buying at that pricepoint especially kitten off no character slot. LOL!

How is it a scam? Have you ever bought an expansion for an MMO before? News flash, they’re all $50+.

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is $40. Shut up.

Really, i thank you on behalf of everyone in this community because now we understand how greedy you can be. You’ve actually passed Blizzard in term of greed when it comes to this. After seeing some of the horrible nerfs you all gave the Necromancer, i really thought this wouldn’t get worse, but it seems like it did.

Even WoW’s collector’s edition for Warlords of Draenor blows this crappy excuse for a “ultimate” edition you guys have made out of the water.

Phat Stackage.5329:

$49.99 is the standard price for a full expansion. For comparison, GW2’s original price was $59.99 and the deluxe was $79.99.

Heavensward is $40.

Odeezee.7362:

if you don’t want people to play Necros just come right out and say it, coz this is getting kittening tiring!!!!

Like WoW did with Demonology Warlocks where they literally said they nerfed them because they didn’t want people playing them anymore?

I made a comment here about simply having to look in the Necromancer section of the forums and it was deleted, can’t handle the truth Anet?

Yay, more kittens on the Gem Store.

Hehe, people actually thinking that Anet will listen to them. Let me remind you of one thing

THEY ASKED FOR OUR FEEDBACK AND DID NOTHING.

They won’t listen, they don’t care about what any of us think. Why do you think the nerfs to Necromancer were so harsh? Or why they do nothing but add stuff to the Gem Store while there’s no more content in the game?

I’ve always loved Staff + Mirror Images and Bouncing Elasticity and the big amount of conditions and boons it can give and since that trait is now baseline and the big buff to conditions, i can finally return to this. It was this build that allowed me to level Mesmer during the time near launch where everyone said it was near impossible.

Look at the profession forums, especially for Necromancer and Warrior. A lot of people are kittened at Anet’s completely stupid decisions.

Was the whole “give us your feedback” thing a complete lie? Because you barely listened to ANY of the feedback you were given.

It would make sense for Eir to die to “atone” for Snaff’s death, likely sacrificing herself for Zojja.

Hopefully not, i don’t want anyone to die till Trahearne either gets burned or someone punches his voice actor so he actually puts emotions into his lines.

Someone has no idea what a Fencer is.

Lol, a few days after FFXIV: Heavensward.

But….my Charrzooka….

Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward is also coming out next week so they’ll either release info before or after its release date.

Pretty sure Fear Not This Night will always be one of the, if not the, best song in the game.

Honestly, i have never seen this toxicity you speak off, even in spvp and me having a bad day.

I’m pretty sure that YOU were the toxic one and when people responded back, you got hurt in the gluteus maximus. You keep saying the community is salty and the worse, but if anything, it’s because of people like you who want to be toxic under the guise of “venting”.

Sagat.3285:

Sigh it will/should be like a rifle spear, a bayonet not a freaking sniper.

Wtf is a rifle spear?

Don’t say “it should be X thing” without mentioning your reasons why.

DeT M.4319:

didn’t devs said that they want to give some different experience for each class?

So rifle? Sniper? get over 900 range? Sounds fun… but does thief even need it : / …
is it going to be really a new experience?….. Most likely it will end up into fast burst… only from distance .. what really dont brings that much of new experience.

Mesmer got shield, Guardian got longbow and Necro got greatsword. Is it a new experience?

Or, hear me out here this will be great.

It literally doesn’t matter and the Revenants popped out of nowhere Or they always existed but were secretive till Rytlock appeared.

cocowoushi.7150:

@Tachenon : I get what you’re saying but I don’t think it really works in this case. Revs are pretty flashy with their skills; I’m turning into a demon avatar, solid stone, or summoning the cornerstone of Sylvari morals. Even if my character mentioned they were a Rev, it wouldn’t be possible for one current class to do all this.

@Empemiel : It matters to people who value consistent storytelling, especially people in the RP community.

No other game has really done it, so i don’t think it matters.

Also since when does the RP community apply to any decision made in any MMO?

In WoW, Death Knights started at lv 55, meaning that they still have to do everything in the Burning Crusade [which happens BEFORE the Death Knights in Wrath of the Lich King were a thing]. It literally doesn’t matter.

No, it implies that they’re the first. Nothing about it implies someone else would get melee Staff.

WoW’s DKs were a hero class, Revenant isn’t.

lalamonsta.4237:

Draeyon.4392:

Focus.
If not, then staff.

My prediction anyway

I really hope they get staff. A lot of people are saying that they can’t get a staff because druid gets one. Anet never said that specializations will not get the same weapon types. It seriously limits their options to keep it 1 unique weapon for each profession. Especially since warriors can use so many weapons.

Druid will likely get it and Revenant will get it in melee, there’s 0 reasons to give it to Thief too. It’s likely to be the rifle and the spec have something to do with assassination.

They won’t change it, they’re convinced their reasons are enough to keep the name Dragonhunter. If they cared even a little bit, they would’ve said something, so far they haven’t.

It clearly says it was sent by another player. Just report and move on.

The only moments where i’ve actually liked Logan are in CoF when he’s with Rytlock and before you get on the airship to fight Zhaitan where he says “Long ago I failed all of you. I left you behind to fight. Now you need to leave me behind so you can carry the fight forward.”

“look into it” means “we’ll do it later” most of the time.

With any luck, the ones who had this problem will be invited automatically for the next one, it’s only fair.

Linnael.1069:

Dunno if anybody’s mentioned this before but huge props to whoever voiced the male centaur that shouts:

“YOU WIIILL BE BROOOOKEN”

One of the only enemy threats that feels serious, and seriously threatening.

It becomes less serious when you kill them by the dozens though lol. Whoever voiced it did great though.

Trahearne: Fire!!

It’s delivered SO BADLY even for Trahearne that it’s my favorite.

nightblood.7910:

Honestly, I just want something that adds more deception to the thief. I dont think thief is really meant to be a support driven class and to hold to the authenticity of thief, it would be better to have more abilities to confuse your targets. Like a skill that produces a clone while you are in stealth but doesnt unstealth you.

Sending your attackers after a dummy clone or something. Or even you and a clone appear at the same time after stealth to attack your opponent.

Kinda mesmer like but not really mesmer like.

Don’t you have a trap that summons a thief?

Maybe Anet doesn’t think one player will freak out over this especially when it’s clearly mentioned that they’re fanatics that convert by force.

You heard it here first folks, the Zintl fanatics are ISIL.

Riel Darkwater convinced me that female Humans look the best.

I like how people complain about the Revenant when:

1. This is a BETA, things WILL change and people talk like the thing is finalized.

2. We still don’t know the full power of the Revenant because it hasn’t been added and shown yet, same with the profession specs.

GG, you found a low quality cutscene during a BETA. Take a cookie.

This is a BETA where you’re given specific gear to test everything out. Those numbers will likely change.

Just whip your sword [hair] back and forth.

jheryn.8390:

Oolune.4357:

jheryn.8390:

Oolune.4357:

jheryn.8390:

And to address another of your posts, whether or not Dragon Hunter is “a fine name” or not as you have purported is also merely an opinion like the ones that have suggested that it is not.

It’s definitely an opinion that it’s a good name, I don’t think that it’s an opinion that it is a name that works, though. Which is why I endeavored to debunk some of the complaints about how it somehow doesn’t fit Guardian.

I guess on this we will have to agree to disagree. I think it certainly is an opinion that the name does, in fact, work for the class. And I am not alone in this thinking by many of the well thought out objections here. In Anet’s and some people’s opinion it obviously works, however.

Everybody is welcome to their opinions. I know you feel that it isn’t an opinion that the name works. I simply disagree about that point. And that’s OK. We are both allowed to think as we wish.

Do you think it is an opinion that elementalist is a fitting name for the elementalist profession? Or warrior for warrior? I think you may still be confusing me saying the name works with me commenting on the quality of it. All I’m saying is that their are plenty of things in the game and in the profession that make the name work. It’s not an opinion that those things exist or how they relate to the profession. Whether or not that makes it a great name/the best name out there is a matter of opinion.

No, I’m not confusing the issue. I think ele and warrior are both names that work for each respective class.

I do not believe, and have seen no evidence that convinces me, that Dragonhunter works for a Guardian specialization. And yes, I have read the entire thread.

I understand you think there is evidence that shows the name works for a guardian. I do not. So therefore, until everyone agrees (and I mean everyone) that the name works, it is just opinion that it does. It is subjective thought. Everyone can make their case as to why the name does or does not work. Which is right? Both. Neither.

I have my thoughts on why it does not work. You have yours on why it does. Until we can both agree, at least on middle ground, it is just simply opinion on both our parts.

Honestly, i’ve seen no real arguments saying it does work. All i see is people like me saying it doesn’t and others saying “it DOES work, shut up” without any arguments to prove that point.

WvW isn’t simply PvP which is one of the problems with opinions like this.

And having jumping/platforming will stay, not be changed or removed because you dislike it or suck at them.

Arrk.4102:

Just a note to all the new people in this thread. There is no such thing as a Dragon Hunter. It’s Dragonhunter.
In my honest opinion, I gave up. Name it whatever the kitten you want. Some people will still defend ANet to the bitter end.

I heard it once and i call it as such, it’s called being a drone. In this case, it’s people who are so blind that they defend a game company through all their mistakes. Games like WoW have a ton of them and apparently GW2 does too.

MrForz.1953:

But on the other side, Anet might not interpret the Thief’s core concept

points at the Dragonhunter Kinda obvious ain’t_it? [can’t write "ain’t_it right cause the forum thinks it’s t_it, sheesh]

People have explained why they don’t like the name or the concept and STILL there’s people whose argument is “i disagree with you”, that’s it.

Just how are there people comparing a video game, a bunch of data and code that can be quite easily changed, to a book? Of course you can’t tell an author of a book that something sucks or is wrong and to change it, especially after the book came out already, but guess what? THIS IS AN MMORPG expansion, in BETA. Anet has more than enough time to change this.

Do you think that because you made or wrote something it means that you’re beyond criticism? You’re not.

A few people here have said that the Dragonhunter is a name that fits. NONE of you have mentioned WHY it fits in your own opinions, you simply say it does and that our arguments about why it doesn’t are wrong.

MrForz.1953:

I said ladles, not ladies, LADLES! You… don’t know what a ladle is? o.o

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Well, that’s a kitchen utensil, so my point still stands.

I’ll lay down what i think again and i’ll explain my own view a bit better, i just want this to end already.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/meet-the-dragonhunter-guardians-elite-specialization/

“the dragonhunter—a ferocious big-game hunter that specializes in ranged combat and back-line support.” This is how the Dragonhunter is described as [already kinda strange that the big-game HUNTER specializes in supporting, but meh].

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Liked-the-ready-up-name-still-doesn-t-fit/first#post5048195

“We went with this name because we felt it was evocative of the medieval witch hunters.” Uhh, ok. From big-game hunter to medieval witch hunter. Unless witches are big game, there’s something off here.

“Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions. I understand this is a lot more high concept than Mesmer but at the end of the day we felt like we wanted to try and push a more mature theme here. I hope this helps explain our thinking. We had other generic names in mind but felt like it was important to have a mix of spec names that are generic fantasy, more Tyrian fantasy, and more high concept. This one falls more in the third category.”

Why would why, out of nowhere, suddenly change from big-game hunter or witch hunter? He even admitted that it is " a lot more high concept than Mesmer". Why? Why make one of them so different, again, out of nowhere?

He mentions that the name fell more in the “high concept” category. HOW? In generic fantasy, nothing would draw a Guardian archetype [think Knight, Paladin and the like] into picking up a bow and use traps [something reserved usually for Rogues/Thieves/Assassins or Hunters/Rangers]. In Tyrian fantasy, nothing would draw a Guardian to pick up a bow and use traps either.

Can you really imagine a Guardian, who is described as “devoted fighters who protect their allies and smite their enemies by drawing from the power of their virtues” to forsake that? Or even imagine them, who are shown usually with a mace or sword and a shield, to forget that and just learn the bow?

Now for the name? They’re called Dragonhunters. Here’s the issue with that name in my opinion: WE ARE ALL DRAGONHUNTERS. That’s what we’ve all been doing since we created our characters, especially if you’re Sylvari since you have a Wyld Hunt to destroy the dragons. Why name them this? What “high concept” drove this name? What makes them specifically dragonhunters when a Human Warrior or a Charr Mesmer or a Sylvari Thief would also be fighting them?

Naming them anything else, Inquisitor, Sentinel, Watcher imo [since he now fights in the back line and offering support, Watcher for me makes a bit more sense], it’d all make more sense. Since someone mentioned Dragonsbane, that kinda sounds like the name of a weapon or a title, not a full spec for a profession like Guardian.

Man that was long.

Nike.2631:

Ephemiel.5694:

I have said my argument calmly and explained it, so have a few others in this thread but since you refuse to actually read, who cares.

Link? I’ll be happy to read it, just less excited about having to dig for it myself .

Should’ve thought of that before you tried to argue for almost 10 pages huh. Look for it yourself.