Guild Wars 2

Obtena.7952:

Is it? That’s cute. If that’s true, maybe people should prove me wrong and put forth a more mature approach to complaining about the name and make suggestions inline with the concept that Anet has created.

You can say you’re right about the bad name/theme all you want but if you aren’t putting forth alternatives in a way that doesn’t waste Anet’s time, then I think your assessment of my role in how Anet treats it’s players is misplaced. Trust me, I’m flattered you think I’m THAT influential but you’re not giving Anet enough credit for much, evident by the way you express your dissatisfaction with the name/theme.

I have said my argument calmly and explained it, so have a few others in this thread but since you refuse to actually read, who cares.

We will be the Ninja Helpers. We throw Shurikens of pure goodness at our allies.

Ezeriel.9574:

Numbers for necro aren’t done…. nor mesmer… nor guard….

This week they skipped the preview, and I can only imagine it’s because nothing else was far enough along to preview.

I think december is optimistic.

I imagine they skipped it to show the Lion’s Arch thing. Of course, one of the Anet guys said that they “don’t reveal anything if it’s not ready”, so it likely was cause they had nothing ready as you say.

Riel’s a Thief isn’t she?

Obtena.7952:

Ephemiel.5694:

Obtena.7952:

Maybe if someone had a compelling alternative inline with Anet’s concept instead of throwing out derivative synonyms for Guardian as a name, their might be something worth discussing. In fact, if people were less lazy and contributed to Nike’s thread where he suggests Dragonbane as a name, there is actually a change that Anet might give you some of their time.

So because people don’t comment in Nike’s thread, it means that we’re lazy and, yet again, you’re ignoring all the arguments here just to accept your own and Nike’s arguments. I’m done with this, dealing with such blind stupidity is annoying.

If you don’t get the difference between what Nike has done and what everyone else is doing, I can’t help you. I can only say get used to the name and concept then.

It’s thanks to people like you two that “anet treats us like idiots”, just so you know.

Apolo.5942:

I play warrior and not a guardian because of the damage it can soak, beacuse of its passive healing, that is what we look for in the warrior.

My brain fizzled at this comment.

Out of all the things to complain about, people choose this.

I can imagine stuff like WvW with dozens of “X person’s Fiery Greatsword” and the like.

Obtena.7952:

Maybe if someone had a compelling alternative inline with Anet’s concept instead of throwing out derivative synonyms for Guardian as a name, their might be something worth discussing. In fact, if people were less lazy and contributed to Nike’s thread where he suggests Dragonbane as a name, there is actually a change that Anet might give you some of their time.

So because people don’t comment in Nike’s thread, it means that we’re lazy and, yet again, you’re ignoring all the arguments here just to accept your own and Nike’s arguments. I’m done with this, dealing with such blind stupidity is annoying.

Obtena.7952:

There is no magic number of people that turns opinion into facts. Nike’s got it right on. There is more to changing the name than people not liking it.

Yet again, read the kitten comments here, we have MORE than enough reasons and arguments as to why it should be changed.

You all simply refuse to accept it because you think differently, so to you none of our arguments actually matter.

jmt.8517:

Li Xiaolu.4823:

We do not need mounts and we do not want mounts

Don’t include me in your views. I want them and i need them, thànks.

You got issues if you NEED mounts in this game.

Obtena.7952:

Tachenon.5270:

Nike.2631:

Dragonhunter didn’t come out of a hat. Its been compared to and overcome probably every dammed name thrown out here and it did it 6 months ago. Is it set in stone? Not for another 3 months, but for pity’s sake UNDERSTAND if you want to change it you’re not going to insult them into action and you’re not gonna get a petition of 18 random posters and 11 bloggers who all like page 1 generic names to change their minds either.

Dragonhunter is a silly name and the concept from which it was derived is incompatible with the setting of GW2.

That’s a great premise, now show it’s true and you might have something worth discussing and a decent reason to change the name.

It doesn’t matter if we show you yet another reason, people like you and Nike refuse to understand.

Nike.2631:

Spouting tier 1 drivel does NOT a compelling argument make.

And here is where i stopped reading because you show, yet again, that you understand nothing.

You know what, i’m tired of repeating myself and seeing others repeat themselves, it’s clear that you, along with a few others, are completely blind and can’t see what a mistake this is even after it’s been told countless times.

I get the feeling this guy’s just a little hurt in the gluteus maximus because he got beat by Thieves and Eles.

Obtena.7952:

Genesis.8572:

Nike, could you try being at least fifty percent less patronizing? Thanks.

Against the ignorance that most people demonstrate, I think he’s holding back. People underestimate the amount of work and thinking that have gone behind this name, regardless of what we think of it and it’s actually pretty insulting to the devs seeing the way I’ve seen most people marginalize and critique the work. Nike speaks with a solid knowledge of these things.

….yeah, i can imagine the “work” that went into the name when the fans are poking holes all over what they said and even thinking of superior ideas.

Can people like you and Nike PLEASE stop defending Anet for no reason and at least accept they screwed this up? They didn’t spend work AT ALL with this name and background, just look at this thread and you’d easily realize that.

MrForz.1953:

If you were to see a Thief NPC dancing with two ladles, would you also believe it will be the next weapon for the class? Geez.

When it’s the leader of the Order of Whispers, yes. Good job comparing 2 ladies with a rifle by the way.

Knighthonor.4061:

Is it just me or does Ranger staff seem like it’s melee?

It’s just you so far.

Wait a sec, did you make Incinerator without checking out it looks and now you don’t like something and expect it to be changed?

Honestly i just attack from range.

Usually there’s a ton of people doing these events, so you can simply attack from range, get your chest after the boss dies and continue with your adventure. Otherwise, just listen to the guys here, their advice is solid.

Cecilia.5179:

I’m going to ride on WoodenPotatoes’ idea to make racial specializations (core or elite, I don’t really care which) and make it available to every character. This would make it so that racial skills wouldn’t have to be inherently bad PvE only skills, and it would give new depth to any race that is added eventually.

Yeah, i really wish racial skills were a bit better. Although using a Sylvari’s Take Root in a small chokepoint is hilarious in WvW especially EotM.

Solori.6025:

I can see this in WvW.

A commander with a trojan horse going around and surprising 5 people with 80

That would actually be hilarious, especially since something like that in WvW would likely mean it could be attacked and destroyed.

……………nope.

Nike.2631:

Still looking forward to it. Was never wildly excited, but I have lots of games I play, so predictably my energy and enthusiasm are divided up across a couple titles. I see a number of mechanical changes coming that I think will increase my enjoyment… And I am a little hyped to take a Dragonhunter and blow up people who think that those skills are gonna be useless…

I can just see people, especially bad Thieves, just charge right into those traps.

Really wish there was a separate team that worked on PvP. Both sides would get the attention they need that way.

I really want the Largos to be playable, especially if we get an expansion that focuses on underwater combat to fight the Deep Sea Dragon.

Just for curiosity, other than stealth which can be done with stuff like smoke bombs and the like, what does the Thief have right now that can imply they can suddenly use magic well enough to become Spellthieves?

Honestly, the fact that they’ve had so little info is the reason why hype is going away. Games like Tera and Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn had huge stuff added and FFXIV is actually getting an expansion. Games like Splatoon are coming out very soon as well. Heroes of the Storm got in Open Beta and will release next month.

What do i know about Heart of Thorns? 3 specs, one of which people dislike, Lion’s Arch getting remade and some WvW changes, that’s kinda it.

You don’t know what a Druid is huh. Or balance for that matter.

It has to be a rifle. There’s just no reason for them get anything else and it would make sense, especially if the spec does end up being Assassin.

By the way, you know Riel Darkwater? The leader of the Order of Whispers? Guess what weapon she’s seen using in the during the Order of Whispers cinematic? Before you say anything about the others in that pic, i’d think it’s kinda obvious that the leader of this entire Order based on stealing and espionage is a Thief.

If i get it? The Revenant. Since the specs won’t be out [i think], there’s no real reason to try anything else and the dark design of the Revenant is great, i always love those “dark knights” types of classes.

1. Mentioning Monster Hunter shows that you didn’t really understand what he said since both games are completely different. The archetypes have existed pretty much since fantasy existed. If you give a “Hunter” heavy armor and a greatsword for example, it’s still a “Hunter”, that’s what he’s known to be. As another example, in GW2 we don’t call the Mesmer something different for using a Greatsword.

In Monster Hunter, we ARE hunters, our job is to go out there and hunt these giant creatures, we don’t have a set class. I can be a hunter with a bow right now and change to a giant hammer. This logic doesn’t apply to the Dragonhunter.

2. You say that “The Dragon title doesn’t have to mean you specifically target dragons”. ……the title is DRAGONhunter, it speaks for itself, it means, 100%, that they specifically target and hunt dragons. If a sword was named Dragonsbane, why would you think it’s named that? If a character was called, using my username as an example, Ephemiel the Dragonhunter, why would you think the character is named that?

3. The Asura managing to use draconic magics through TECHNOLOGY is nowhere near the same as a person being able to. Unless the dragon itself allowed it, it should be near impossible for us. The Guardian, after we’ve all been shown how they are, would likely be the last person to even suggest personally using draconic power. Someone like the Warrior however would likely do it, but that’s not the point.

Now, as to a name? I don’t got any and any i can think of would likely sound bad to someone. Inquisitor, Sentinel, Protector, Watcher, Liberator, Seeker. All good names.

Nike.2631:

Ephemiel.5694:

Look at purecontact’s post. Does anyone need MORE than that?

I think some of us need a name that reflects the Devs clearly stated intent that this is a branch of Guardians who are not on defense, not standing watch, not shouting ‘halt, who goes there’ in the night but are instead playing offense, going out into the wilds, stalking and killing the servants of Dragons. Pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of “Sentinels” in fact. But maybe we can persuaded the Devs that not only do we not like the name, they’re entirely wrong in having characters in the setting take hope from the victory over Zhaitan and shift from a century-long holding action and retreat after retreat to taking the war to the enemy.

Me, I’d look for a name that reflects the more aggressive nature they feel inspired this E-spec.

Actually i didn’t meant the name he mentioned, i meant his argument as to why Dragonhunter didn’t really fit.

Look at purecontact’s post. Does anyone need MORE than that?

lordkrall.7241:

Iason Evan.3806:

ArenaNet has set precedent before by offering long betas. I don’t think it’s the fault of the player base for assuming that spending what could amount to many hours trying to get one of these things to drop could and should result in many hours of being able to test the new beta.

They have also set precedent before by offering short betas. In fact, looking at history the vast majorities of the betas have been short and only a few of them have been long.

And now they set precedent of not telling us how long the beta/stress test is till AFTER people spent a month trying to get the portal.

Nike.2631:

Nike.2631:

“I’m a Reader, and I get to tell you the Author you’re WRONG about your world setting and you have to listen because I bought your book and you want me to by your next book too!”

People write fantasy and sci-fi settings instead of contemporary fiction specifically to NOT have to put up with (much of) that sort of nonsense.

Genesis.8572:

Just because you write your own setting does not mean that you write it well nor does it somehow liberate you from criticism. Speculative fiction is not immune to the death of the author.

Having published both fantasy and contemporary settings, its one thing to have a reader tell me “You got the length of a particular assault rifle wrong in chapter 4” and something entirely different to have someone tell me “Fireball spells don’t work that way.”

The first person I thank and maybe make a mental note if it’s going to come up again. If its convenient I might change the existing reference for the next printing/release.

The second I stare at with my mouth open because WHO THE KITTEN ARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW MAGIC WORKS IN MY SETTING?!??!

Look, I’ve raked the writers here over the coals as brutally as anyone, but there is a necessary understanding when something is a question of broadly accepted form and when it’s a matter of personal preference vs. the author’s right to set the terms of their own setting. It’s their livelihood, their risk, and their call. Canon does NOT belong to the fans, no matter how much they tell themselves otherwise. An argument based on “that’s inconsistent with other aspects of the setting” is very, VERY different than “well I don’t like it because of influences outside of the setting — influences possibly unique to me.”

“Guardians consider themselves protectors of the innocent. Followers of their faith be it in honor, valor, etc. The origin of the Dragonhunter is a more subtle nuanced version of this. Guardians fight for justice and the Dragonhunter faction believes justice is the eradication of dragons and their minions.”

…Isn’t something they have to justify. Its something they can SET as true in the world of Tyria. Will it be nice to see some support and fleshing out of that manifest through NPC dialogues or in-game locations? Absolutely! But for a pre-ship preview, summing up really is sufficient.

So, because Anet made it, it’s perfectly ok for them to make 0 sense on their own lore and we cannot call them up on it because they made it, so they have control over it.

Honestly, it has taken so long for the little info we’ve been given that, for me, the hype really isn’t there.

GaryC.4897:

OMG thanks, been working so hard i thought it was still April

but what about playing dragonslayer is that available

I’d imagine that everything they’ve shown so far will be there, but this “beta” is just a stress test to see if certain parts can handle having a bunch of players there.

You’re so meta OP, metapod.

You can GvG if you want and part of the lore even involves “Guild Wars”. What the heck did you want?

Aeolus.3615:

Ephemiel.5694:

I’m pretty sure underwater combat won’t even truly be a thing until the Deep Sea Dragon is shown and air combat……yeah no, please no. Unless it’s something like WoW’s Icecrown Citadel raid where at one point you fight Airship to Airship, then no.

spamming 1 on a auto cruise ship moving on a straight line, rather not be added….
Also i dont imagine guild ships or anything else working in this game.

It’s clear you never played that fight, so let me explain.

You don’t just fire into the other airship. You needed to split the raid to do different things. Some need to be on the cannons since they do a lot of damage, some need to stay on your airship to defend it and some need to jump to the enemy airship and beat the leader. Doing this, on GW2’s style of fighting, would be incredible.

Healix.5819:

Nanashi.6297:

But 3 blocks of 2 hours during the week in a time barely any European player can partake?

It’s not an actual beta like you would expect it to be. You’re not looking for bugs or to give feedback. It’s more of a stress test.

The point of doing it in blocks is so they can fix problems or change configurations in between. The actual goal of the beta is to test something specific in an active environment, which they simply can’t do internally because they don’t have hundreds of players. The last beta for example was likely testing the impact of removing the bleed caps.

“Starting tomorrow, April 28, heroes adventuring in the Maguuma Wastes have a chance to find a mysterious portal to the heart of the Maguuma Jungle. Looting one of these special trophy items grants you access to the next Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns™ PvE closed beta event!”

If it was a stress test, why didn’t they say that from the start? Why did they trick people into thinking it was a full closed beta event?

And let me remind you, this has been going on for a month, a MONTH, for a one day stress test that they disguised as a beta.

Orpheal.8263:

Obtena.7952:

I don’t need to play GW to know how the concepts of Guardian and dragons can coalesce into a cohesive, plausible elite spec. Opening a book on legends and myths does that for me already.

Just that books of legends and myths don’t make fitting gameplay concepts that stand in context with what has been already created by ANet.

It just shows how stubborn you try to hang on your personal vision of what a “knight” is for you. It makes you blind to not realize that Anet simply tries here to mix and match too many concepts into 1 elite specialization, that have nothign to do with each other and there exists also no singly book of legends of myths, which says otherwise.

There exist no legends, myths or any fairytales about knights, that used bows and traps.
A knight uses mainly only swords, shields and when riding polearm weapons like halberds/lances. Thats the classical knight!

The only reference that fits here to knights basing on your arguments is, that knights are the classical “dragonslayers” in alot of legends/myths or are seen as those, who are only able to defeat dragons, because thats it what those legends/myths and fantasy fairytales classically want us to believe how it should be.
There are no legends or so about any thieves, mages or simple hunters which slayed dragons – no, it are always the radiant white knights in their pretty and strong armors wielding swords and large tower shields (which they needed to survive a breath attack of a dragon without getting to be scorched crisp!!)

There are also no legends or myths about witchhunters, that hunted any dragons.
Its just the reference of Anet they used for the concept of turning the Guardian Elite Specialization into a much more offensive gameplay thats not as much about defending, like a Guardian, but more about seeking and destroying evil things, like a Witchhunter.

As like said, theres no point in discussing any further with you, you won’t convince anyone here with your real world legend and myth references and your personal view about what knights are, when you even have no clues about GW lore and even admitted it, that you aren’t aware of it.
It exist no knights at all in the whole lore of the game and all what you see in the Guardian is just only your personal vision/wish of them being GW2’s knights, due to their “virtues”

Have you seen how many times he has changed his argument just to continue?

I’m pretty sure underwater combat won’t even truly be a thing until the Deep Sea Dragon is shown and air combat……yeah no, please no. Unless it’s something like WoW’s Icecrown Citadel raid where at one point you fight Airship to Airship, then no.

Crystallize.8603:

I’m one of those that did farm for the portal stone and didn’t get one.
I’m one that complains on the forums all the time because I disaprove of no content in 3 months.
Yet I’m still here defending anet because it’s a voluntary beta test that no one forced on you.
Farmed in SW for days gaining gold/materials/karma – 100% wasted time.

It doesn’t matter if it was forced on you or not. People used their time to farm this portal because they wanted access to the beta and for Anet to simply say “grats for farming, the beta lasts a day” is low.

Khenzo.2465:

Ephemiel.5694:

Khenzo.2465:

I’m conflicted on how to feel about this situation, sure they could have been alot more up front in regards to when the test will happen, and how long it is, but at the same time I also view the anger towards Anet for this to be..I don’t know, unfair?

So people farm many, many hours for a test they literally know nothing about? Who is to blame here?

I can’t see how people can be mad at Anet directly for something they chose to do themselves.

You didn’t know when the test was, or how long it was, or what it contained, or if you are able to participate at all and yet it is unfair?

This isn’t directed at anyone in specific, my reply to this topic but I have seen numerous people complain about it. And this is my perspective.

Anet should’ve told people all that info, not wait for people tried to farm that portal for days to finally say “ok, the beta only lasts a day, in blocks that last a few hours each”, thanks for farming!!"

I don’t understand how people actually take Anet’s side. You’re at Blizzard fanboy levels right now where they do mistakes and you refuse to see them.

This has nothing to do with silly petty white knighting for Anet.

The information surrounding the beta was completely non-existant, I said sure they could have been more open regarding when the test was, but they didn’t.

So people blindly farm for a test they know literally NOTHING about, then cry foul at Anet?

This is a little bit silly, if you ask me.

I might have mentioned that people are taking Anet’s side, but what you said is kinda what i said.

And yes, they cry foul at Anet because they did this incredible wrong. Please tell me of any other beta in other MMOs where players are told to farm something in order to enter it, please tell me another beta where this whole situation happens.

Khenzo.2465:

I’m conflicted on how to feel about this situation, sure they could have been alot more up front in regards to when the test will happen, and how long it is, but at the same time I also view the anger towards Anet for this to be..I don’t know, unfair?

So people farm many, many hours for a test they literally know nothing about? Who is to blame here?

I can’t see how people can be mad at Anet directly for something they chose to do themselves.

You didn’t know when the test was, or how long it was, or what it contained, or if you are able to participate at all and yet it is unfair?

This isn’t directed at anyone in specific, my reply to this topic but I have seen numerous people complain about it. And this is my perspective.

Anet should’ve told people all that info, not wait for people tried to farm that portal for days to finally say “ok, the beta only lasts a day, in blocks that last a few hours each”, thanks for farming!!"

I don’t understand how people actually take Anet’s side. You’re at Blizzard fanboy levels right now where they do mistakes and you refuse to see them.

Dante.1763:

Genesis.8572:

I would love to have a dialogue with the Devs, but it takes at least two people to have a dialogue, and the Devs remain silent.

To be fair, the devs seldom show themselves in threads that involve constant bickering like this one does…

One of them came running when i said they made a snarky remark on facebook, so at least we know they come to post to save their butts.

Ashen.2907:

Oberon Vex.1389:

My issue is that ‘extra cool’ should be so for EVERY player. Every player would be happy with that info, or about guildhalls, or about how they will handle difficult content in HoT, or any number of other things that have not been announced and will impact EVERY player.

Not possible.

I for example, don’t really care about the very things that you describe as being what you (or your fictional every player) were interested in. The information that was released was of far more interest to me than any of the things you mention.

You’re assuming you’re the only one that matters.

Genesis.8572:

Ephemiel.5694:

You didn’t read anything at all, did you. Anet never wanted to “have the Guardian’s sense of justice being perverted into blind vengeance” AT ALL, i have no idea where did you even get that.

They simply used their idea of a “big game hunter” and tried to make it fit the Guardian. That’s the problem of this whole thing.

Try to be respectful. Such comments do not exactly engender civil discussion, and it’s uncalled for. We do want this threat to continue.

RabbitUp.8294:

I’ve been reading the last 2 pages, the same exact arguments were made 20 pages ago. This is pretty smart on Anet’s side, letting the storm rage in its little teacup; by the time we get more juicy news, everyone will have eventually moved on.

It’s not as if you have been helpful in any regard for civil discussion either.

Look back. I’ve said my opinion calmly and have had to repeat myself over and over because people do not understand. Respect disappears after a while.

Instead of actually trying to agree on something, people add more and more arguments to the mix and grabbing every sliver of info they can find to disprove others.

The mere fact this has gone on so long should be proof enough that the name and theme for the Dragonhunter is something a lot of people don’t like, but we’ll never actually agree on something because every new commenter just attacks a previous one or tries to disprove him.

RabbitUp.8294:

Arrk.4102:

But none of the knights did any hunting.
The problem most people have with DH is the connection between it and the core Guardian class.
The connection between the archetypical knight and slaying dragons is there. But then there is no connection between knights and game hunting. There is a really tenuous connection between knights and witch hunting, but that’s stretching it. But people are asking for connection between Guardian and Dragons. Not between the archetypical knight and the dragons.

What? Of course they did. Knights were nobles, and hunting was a pretty popular sport among nobility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_hunting

Not every noble did the same and, except for a few specific ones, Knights weren’t hunters, nor did they hunt.

Nice try but really, all of our arguments are useless. If Anet was listening at all, they would’ve said something by now.

If i start seeing yellow axes around or rainbow swords, i’m blaming you guys!!