“I did NOT expect that after 3 months I’d never have to do anything ever again.”
So in other words you bought a first person shooter expecting to command men and build structures. Wonderful.
“To this I just have to laugh. You’re playing a game at 3 months in and expect to NEVER get new equipment?”
Yes. What are you, dense or something? This is exactly what we expected. New gear (toughness,con, heal power) maybe, but not stronger. We have 7 years of this, and 3 years of promises, backing up that we thought this would happen.
What did YOU expect when you joined the game?
This reminds me more and more of the JP story point and click game that came out 1-2 years ago. People were complaining left and right that the game that advertised it’s self as a “point and click story adventure” wasn’t a good enough first person shooter.
What the hell people?
“So… why not wear MF?”
1’000 thoughness (full defense) gives your 50% damage reduction.
This makes it good for dungeons.
“By that logic anything up until now that wasn’t an Exotic tier item has been considered an obsolete item? "
Yes. Yes it is. Seriously? Look at rares : 15 silver a piece. Look at exotics, 1+ gold for most of them (usually, the minimum craft cost + a %). . .
Yellows cost more then 15 silver to make, yet sell for 15 silver. WHY? Simple, that’s the price ectos are at. Hence, obsolete. People go drops → maybe yellows → exotics and never look at yellows again. (I went blues/greens to exotics personally)
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and how do you know they will be 50-100 worse grindfest?"
You have to do 3 dungeon paths (the equivalent time to 1.5 AC paths) to get a boss that has a chance at an ascended item. You also have tiers of ascended items (high end ascended items are slotted, as per ANet). This puts them “in between legendaries and exotics”, as per ANet. Hence, 50x harder then exotics.
“It seems to me that people fear power creep because they’re afraid they might not be able to get those items while others are. I’ll tell you something about these supposed ‘others’: in a game where there’s nothing to do, they don’t exist. Even in my own guild people are pretty much only online when we agree to do a dungeon to give ourselves the illusion we’re still playing this game. It’s dead otherwise. What’s wrong with giving people an incentive to keep playing? Because I promise you that your single item-level gear utopia is going to be a very deserted one.”
Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of how populated first person shooters are.
They never get item improvements.
Also, you forgot one thing : The single item level gear utopia will be deserted of one : You.
“Well, even with that in mind, it still seems like people are hugely blowing this out of proportion. As I said in my last reply, I was able to keep up with people in exotics when I was running around in masterwork/rare gear with no problems whatsoever so I really don’t expect this whole Ascended thing to have this immensely dramatic game altering effect that everyone is bugging out about.”
Agony is said to stack up until you can’t continue. So you cna do agony to wave 6, wave 7 become 13% every second of your HP, boom, can’t do it no more. Kicked.
Ok, I’m busy now, let’s take a break/work on an alt. All your alts are 80 now, new content, agony starts at 26% HP every second. No one wants to do anything under level 10 agony (42% HP a second) since they all have green or gold infusion – so they don’t allow you in and get the purple infusion which let’s them to do level 12 (51% HP a second). . . Now you’re left behind, and less and less people are doing those lower level runs.
This is what people fear. Also, it seems to be fairly universal that people hate this. I say fairly, because some lovers are out there, but they are a lot rarer (there’s about 90% more indifferent/hates then there are lovers it seems).
“Quoting you mainly for the link and in regards to people spazzing out about being forced into a gear treadmill. People are seriously losing their minds over this barely even worth mentioning improvement? I must be missing something because looking at that picture of the Ascended beside the Exotic, I can’t comprehend what’s up with all this GW2 doomsday talk. For that specific example shown, you gain 5 additional Power/Precision and 3% more Magic Find… and that’s considered a gear treadmill? Excuse me while I LMFAO at this. I remember playing an Assassin in Aion (pre-everyone gets a stunbreaker) and barely even having blues but still wrecking people with yellows. Same goes for GW2, having a bunch of cheap masterwork/rares didn’t stop me from strutting my stuff all over WvW and dungeons.”
People are affraid (and rightely so) that this will become a gear threadmill. First, the stat is MF – if it’s another thing, say power, of thoughness, it’ll be a lot more. Second, if it was crit chance, that’s a total of what? Around 30-40% crit damage for an entire set? That’s a pretty huge DPS difference.
2, the stat also include infusion. You want to do fractals? Get infusion. Do fractals to get infusion. But to use infusion, you need ascended armour. Do fractals for ascended armour. Then the next dungeon comes out that needs infusion, did you get good infusion from fractals? No? Go do fractals until you have enough infusion since this dungeon is 40% harder. Done fractals and the new dungeon? New new dungeon. 80% harder then fractals, go do fractals to do the new dungeon to get enough infusion to do the new new dungeon. . .
That’s what people are scared of.
“this argument is in the realm of fanatical over reaction with a dash of elite fanboism and a whole bunch of I dont know.”
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/linsey-murdock-unveils-new-high-end-ascended-gear/
Notice the picture from ANet? The picture with an Ascended ring, that is better then the exotic ring?
The picture from ANet. The one that says “Yep this is what an Ascended item is”.
Our posts may be fanboy, but yours reeks of ignorance.
I love how people state there was a gap from exos to legendaries. . . Named exotics were that gap. Essence of the Forefire is a fraction the cost of a real Legendary (100~ gold in mats IIRC), down to stuff like Bravery (5~ gold in mats IIRC). Then you have something like Infinite Light which is 650~ gold (yes. 1’500 ori ingots + 250 charged cores >.<) which is MORE expensive then some of the lesser legendaries.
Will named exotics get a stat increase TOO? It’ll be pretty stupid if Infinite Light doesn’t, but Quip does.
“Of course, without actually asking at least a decent percentage of players whether they like the idea or not you will never know what the real picture is.”
I’ll say this right now, from what I noticed the game is a lot more dead right now.
In JQ we normally have 15-20 people looking for AC, yesterday we had 3.
I also trade on the TP, up to 3~ days ago I had been trading mass volumes (3’000+ units daily) and they were selling out pretty fast. That lasted for about 3 weeks.
I have been trading the same items, yet while that i put 3’000 units up, in the same time they normally sold out I’ve only been seeling 1’000~ and restocking it. My buy orders have been coming in slower too. All this started about the time Ascended armour was announced (my buying declined much slower, peaking yesterday at about 40-50~% regular, my selling declined close to 20% daily over the last few days, arriving at today’s 30-40~% regular).
This is all anectodatol, but considering when I log on all I see is sad faces in chat over the new gear, the TP is dying and less people seem to be playing active dungeons – either one of two things is true – A: People are readying for the content patch (because NOT gaming is how people prepare for new content, right? . . . RIGHT?) B: Less people are playing and more people are upset over this.
" It’s a true challenge, but as you hit higher and higher scales, the dungeon will get more and more rewarding. You’ll have to have some serious skills and solid tactics to make it through these Fractals. After a certain point, our new Ascended items and Infusions become crucial tools for survival"
“Ascended gear works a little bit differently than other gear types. The stats and functionality normally added to gear through upgrade components are actually built into Ascended items. Instead of upgrade slots, Ascended gear has Infusion slots, and rarer versions of the items also come with additional Agony Resistance built into them. Players will be able to acquire Ascended Rings in the Fractals of the Mists dungeon, and Ascended items worn on the back can be acquired through special Mystic Forge recipes.”
AKA: Farm fractals to farm fractals more.
“We have no idea how this is going to work. Until we actually get our hands on it, this thread is purely hearsay.”
Hearsay from the developer’s mouths.
“Am I the only one looking forward to this gear? First off, there’s only going to be a ring and a back slot initially, so all the doomsayers can cease their worrying.”
Don’t worry, we’ll only cut off two fingers this week. Most of them will be fine. – Ignore that we said this week please, don’t panic.
" Secondly, it provides level 80 players with some new goals to achieve. Goodness forbid you should actually have something to look forward to in a game."
You didn’t have enough to do right now? As a level 80, I still have 10 characthers to level, and a bunch of named exotics and legendaries to get. That would keep me busy for years.
“it’s soulbound on acquisition, so won’t impact the economy and likely only acquired by having taken part in the new Fractals areas, which you’ll probably want exotics for anyway.”
Because it’s not grinding if it’s in a specific area. . . Wait. O.o
“For all the MMO games which have a logical progression of gear, you’re really getting your rage on when Guild Wars follows suit.”
Wait. Wait wait wait wait. You bought the MMO that says “not like all other MMOs” and “we go against the norm”, the MMO who’s whole selling point was NOT being like the others, and complain that we aren’t happy when they deceided “kitten it, let’s turn this into generic fantasy MMO 553!”
You know, I don’t think there’s a better time to say you need to find a different game. You are quite literally saying “I bought this game expecting a generic fantasy mmo, how DARE you not deliver!”
Simple fix to magic find : Remove. It.
“For multiple person content they have WvWvW and PvE events that scale by number of participants. Is your guild doing that content?”
‘We need more raids!’
‘You could take 40 people and clear out the temple of balthazaar and the other spots.’
’DON’T BE STUPID!’
" This new tier seems infinitesimal to the game breaking bugs the game had for a month, and which are still present to some small degree with PS, etc. I just don’t get it – can someone please explain that to me?"
The temple of balthazaar will get fixed eventually and isn’t needed for much more then Shards.
This will fundamentally change people’s ability to feel like they’re finally done leveling until GW2 dies for ever and ever. It will also make people lose faith in ANet, who will have lied and cheated them out of promises.
That’s why the outcry
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Kript : People start at low levels. People level. People move on to higher leveled maps. Time has past, so most people are in high level maps. Low level maps are emptyish. Mid level maps are empty. Ergo, the game is dead.
And you say WE need to use logic? O.o
“Who are you to represent the gw1 community and say “Fine” to a lvl 80 cap? From what I can see it’s not a simple “It’s fine” but more like “It’s AWESOME””
As a member of the GW1 community, everyone I talked to didn’t like the idea of the cap increase to 80. We put our faith in ANet that the game would turn out well.
Until this patch, it did.
Make Ascended armour MF only. This gives everyone what they want : MF is an annoying stat people want out of the main part of the game (eg. dungeons) and people do not want better gear to be Ascended.
If you WvW with MF gear you’re weird.
If you dungeon with MF gear you’re not doing well.
If you farm with MF gear you’re doing ok – and fractals was added specifically for farming.
Ah. GW1. I remember Ascending at level 4. I remember getting kicked out of parties of level 20s who ran to Droks to get max armour since “IT WAS HARD” to do the crystal desert then going back to them and laughing after I did it with the level 15 kitten henchies. I remember running THK for people for 10 platinum a piece (about 10 gold in game) since they couldn’t do it.
These same people who are now telling me to kitten L2P and GET WIF DA PROGRAM since I’m stupid that I don’t want “the hardcore awesome leet good players” tier based armour systems >.>
“As for the whole agony mechanic.. well, heck. I’m going to trust the GW1 vets who said this ‘Mursaat’ mechanic was no big deal way back when. I’ll take a wait-and-see attitude.”
I played GW1 from BWE 4 or 5.
Mursaat “Spectral Agony” works like this. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spectral_Agony
To put it into pespective for this, picture taking around 2-3K damage a second with 800 / tick degen with 15 second with chill and crippled (if they stacked) put on you at once, while getting beat on by the general mobs from a dungeon. This is something you can’t take off.
You got infused (currently, 1 infusion does 5 pieces of armour, back then, 1 infusion did 1 piece of armour). Infusion reduced the damage from spectral agony by a lot, close to 20% per infusion. In the end, it would hit about the same to 50 damage per second and 25 tick degen and about 2-5%~ speed slow.
It worked well since there was no new tier. We’re concerned because this is step 1 in new tiers.
“I highly doubt you’ve completed PvE, a main staple of PvE requires exploration. Sounds like you are wanting the content spoonfed to you on a conveyor belt….”
I have 2 80s, a few 40s, 100% world completion, priory/vigil, maxed out 7 characther’s professions, working towards a legendary, deer rank in sPvP and a few tiers in WvW combat. I’m hoping that wasn’t directed towards me.
“that has nothing to do with raids. Thats class balance. 2 different subjects.”
So either thieves, rangers and the such need a COMPLETE skill retool or ANet needs content other then Raids, which of the two do you think is more likely and better for the game?
260$ here, CE + characther slots.
If ANet doesn’t kill the game on the 16th, I’d say I am enjoying it well worth enough. If it dies then, I’d say it wasn’t worth more then 60$.
“The new additions in November are just the start of our item progression initiative. We’re going to add tons of new high-level content to Guild Wars 2 in the future. As we introduce the new high-level content, we’ll also roll out complimentary Ascended and Legendary items (to say nothing of the other rewards you can earn by playing the content).”
“The new additions in November are just the start of our item progression initiative. We’re going to add tons of new high-level content to Guild Wars 2 in the future. As we introduce the new high-level content, we’ll also roll out complimentary Ascended and Legendary items (to say nothing of the other rewards you can earn by playing the content).”
Mostp people are taking this and “nothing of the other rewards you can earn by playing the content” as saying “More tiers”. Either that or other stupid stuff that adds tier equivilancy. Also, actually, this is ANet killing their “the whole game is end game” philosophy too.
On a side note, I also like how this update was supposed to fix crafting. For some reason, I think it’ll make it a lot worst or not touch it at all. . .
“Do you truly want to be done forever in this game attaining different and/or better gear??”
Different gear? No. Still making sets for looks.
Better gear? Yes I want to be done attaining that. I want to be done NOW attaining that, since I have exotics.
“I think I have heard 3 people talking about how bad gear progression is, but before I could point out that there isn’t going to be a treadmill at all, just a new tier of gear which is more or less the same with exotic, the map chat started laughing at their ignorance.”
So you all called them idiots since fairly clearly posted this is the first of many tiers to be added for fearing more tiers being added?
I. . . ? What? Are we both speaking english.
“I’m sure that in 1989 the Soviet Union still had a few ardent communists running around insisting that their system was perfect, but the country collapsed two years later for a reason.”
Oddly, all I think when I hear this is the fact that Russia quartered it’s GDP, and tripled it’s crime and starvation rates when Communism fell.
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Gear progression i love you!
More and more progression plz!
Give me reasons to play!
Arenas and pvp gear progression is what i´m missing!"
. . . Well, ANet is most likely killing PvE off on the 16th, why not screw up sPvP too! = D
“The vast majority of the ones agreeing are not posting, they just had a smile after reading the news and are playing.”
You got 3 types of people, those that read it and like/hate it and posted here, those that didn’t read up on it, those that don’t care enough about it either way.
Type 1 posted here and the response is overwhelmingly negative.
Type 2 knows from the intro and went “Oh new content.”
Type 3 went “Oh new content.”
“My guild has over 400 members. All I’ve seen in game are people excited about the new dungeon and people debating whether or not infusions mean the mursaat are about to make a comeback.”
Really, that’s funny. . . Most of the people I talk to are either indifferent about it or annoyed by it, with some ready to quite over it. I think I heard 2 people “looking forward to it” since it’s so small. . . And that’s mostly due to a new dungeon, hence the ascended armour doesn’t factor.
“ANet said legendaries will scale to best tier avaieble. In other words: as soon as they add asc weapons, our legendaries will change stats.”
What about reskinned equipment that was transmuted?
Actually. Raids wouldn’t work in GW2.
Want proof? Warriors, eles, guardians would rule them. Reasoning? They have the highest amount of group support while doing good damage.
Warriors have shouts (which can heal) + heavy armour, and their weapon sets lend well to large groups (good AoE etc)
Eles have good regen, kiting and good AoE.
Guardians have good healing + heavy armour + AoE.
People would rarely carry thieves, might carry mesmers, and would rarely carry rangers. Haven’t played necro enough to comment.
I’m all for bigger group content, but there’s a certain point in GW2 where you reach a “critical mass” of bodies and nothing can really kill.
“Most people actually are excited – if not, indifferent – to Ascended gears.”
I’ll state that’s not true.
Before, people were asking for more stuff. Some were calling legendaries useless (<.01% of forum posts), some were saying the game was boring (<.5% of forum posts). .51% of the population is “the minority”. Now? 5 day kittentorm taking up 50+>% of the forum posts with hundreds upon hundreds of people signing against it? That’s not “the vocal minority”.
So basically, instead of having all of the items we could get right now. . . ANet is going to slowly add them every few months to make sure we ALWAYS are grinding for something, and potentially raising the state limit every time?
Thank you ANet, you just got rid of my constipation with what you just did. Ow. I hurt.
Allright, so basically, reskinning gear is now completely kitten since I’ll have to re-reskin it every 3 months. Thanks for that.
Also, running up gear is now nearly “a waste” unless I constantly buy black lion salvage kits since the runes will need to be switched armours (or i’ll need to reskin my lower gear onto higher gear to keep the rune, but I’d make more money salvaging it for ectoplasm). . .
Great. This game just introduced a gear and gemstore threadmill >.> Wow.
" Legendary weapons are suppose to be the most powerful items in the game. Not some re-skinned exotic weapons. I applaud Anet for this! With the introduction to Ascended items it puts the Exotics lower on the totem pole where they belong. Underneath Ascended/Legendary items. All these guys that are saying they are going to stop playing will still be playing the game it may not be this month or the next but I bet my bottom gold piece if you track those that said they are going to be quitting they will still be around. So, stop your belly aching and enjoy the new content."
You might be right, then again, you might also be wrong. I’ll probably stick around this update, but I’ve already started spending more time away and less time careing for this game since the looming threat of it dying on the 16th zapped all my will to play, and started looking for another, better, more promising MMO then one that lies to me. I’m pretty sure most peopel will slowly start leaving past the 16th if what we think will happen will happen.
On a side note : You statement that legendaries should be above exotics is moronic. ANet stated they wouldn’t be, thusly, either you mislead your self or were mislead.
I love how everyone who wants new “item progression” is basically saying this.
‘I am way too nooby to learn new content so please give me a way to do the same thing over and over again until I’m strong enough to beat it by stats!’
“What it “seems” like it is, is the people who have played GW1 and are now playing GW2 really don’t like the idea of change. They want GW2 to be the exact same thing as GW1. But ArenaNet has listened to the community and is putting this change for the better of the game and the players.”
We don’t want GW2 to be exactly the same as GW1. We have GW1 for that. We simply don’t want GW2 to be “generic fantasy MMO # 553”, as we have generic fantasy MMO 1 through 552 for that. We also want GW2 to be better then GW1. GW2 found fun ways to keep us happy and busy for 7 YEARS. GW2 ran out of ideas after 3 MONTHS. Ascended armour is not ANet listening to the community and doing something good – it’s ANet saying they are giving up and doing the least amount of work possible to keep the people happy.
It’s kind of like walking into a fancy restaurant, ordering something that sounds fancy and good, and getting a big mac +. Sure, it’s better then a bigmac, but you came here to get away from Mc Donalds.
“You people sit there and spout off how much this will destroy Guild Wars 2 or how the community will act like elitist jerks. But you really don’t have a clue! Maybe try waiting and see what happens first for you start making accusations?”
I don’t need to sit here and wait for something I was promised wouldn’t happen would happen. If I bought a program on my satellite to watch with my kids that was rated G, and half way through they starterd showing decapitations, blood and guts – I’d normally like that, but I was specifically told it would NOT be in this, so why is this HERE.
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“New costume sets FLEW out of COH’s cash shop. LOTRO’s cash shop is largely horses, cloaks and dresses – people will pay out the nose to LOOK cooler than other people. And yet NO more armor skins have been added to the store since launch, and the offerings were extremely skimpy to begin with. Anet cannot possibly be thinking that people are going to drop $100 a month just to play the Black Lion Key lottery, can they?”"
People spend thousands on star trek online for keys for rare ship drops. It’s pretty dumb.
Actually bramble, if you look at the split it seems to be “70% don’t care, 5% do want, 20% do not want”.
I go don’t care as “isn’t ready to quit over it”, and rounded (I’d say more 3~% vs 24%~). The amount of hate fuel this has made should prove it’s a bad move, but hey, ANet wants to duck it’s head low and bash something into the game that won’t work and will generally deter from how good it could be. . .Fine, let them.
“We sometimes get devs replying on forums these days but no interaction in game… It’s almost as if they’re scared to go in there :/”
This does seem to be ANet’s strange stance on things. I’m still 2.5 weeks and waiting for an ackowledgment (which i expect to be told “sorry for your bug but we have no way of tracking what you are doing” followed 4 seconds later by “do not break the rules we are tracking what you’re doing”) to a bug report I sent back on a missing gem store item.
“Well how are they getting this feedback? It can’t just be monitoring forums, can it?”
Considering the absurd lack of response, I would assume no.
“What would people set thier sights on to achieving next?”
100% completion alts dyes looking good guild halls (which they should dedicate more time to – Star Base construction lead to 5+ months of grinding from close to all fleets in STO) spvp wvw if they made it have more impact titles rare drops multiple legendaries etc etc etc.
“Actually, mathematically, crit. dmg% modifier is the weakest modifier in terms of dps (not talking about spike dmg).”
It is, but in the builds it’s used it’s very powerful. Increasing it more will make it “maybe ok” where it wasn’t used and stupidly OP were it was.
“If you can’t understand why companies go F2P today, then you must not be aware that online gold sales for gaming in MMORPG’s is a multi-million dollar industry.
Why would a company waste time with a subscription based model when they can potentially earn millions more from a cash shop?"
You do realize that 90~% of those sales are for cosmetic or convenience items, right? Except for the Asian-esque styles MMOs who rely close-to-completely on selling you key upgrades to get better gear. Guess what – everyone who wants that can go there!
What you don’t understand is converting a water purifying plant into a metal refinery is absolutely kitten if you’re the leader in water purifying and aren’t setup to refine metal.
The reason 90% of companies go F2P is since micro transcations make up a good portion of their sales since people don’t mind farming more if the game is free. Why does WoW still have a subscription?
“Also, the argument about being handicapped based on gear is moot, because if that was the case, then a Level 1 character would have a leg to stand on when fighting Level 80’s in full Exotic gear in WvW.”
The only reason that doesn’t happen is because people can’t form parties in WvW. People are already complaining over the fact WvW will be more unbalanced, but the fear is where you -can- get kicked, which is PvE.
If people COULD kick ban you from WvW for an hour and inspect you, WHOAH BOY would it happen a lot.
“Todays gaming genre want more then just to look cool, looking cool and participating in the same old content over and over again for months on end does not keep people playing or paying money in the cash shop. Content and character progression does. It is a proven buisness platform that certain companies have been monopolizing and taking advantage of now for the best part of a decade and after Anet spent out 150+ million dollars creating this title, do you really think they are going to just run with the hopes that people will stay and play based on skins?”
What in the blooming kitten hells are you talking about?
Fighting games, FPS, RTS, every-gaming-genre-that-is-not-a-freaking-RPG all are begging solely for more customization and the ability to barbie up their games.
People in MMORPGs for the most part want new content and (for some reason I will never understand) bigger numbers (I again point out a change from numbers to percentages would kill every MMO in existance right now). Look at what most people want – more options to have fun. That was page after page after page after page. Horse, houses, bigger sieges, owning towns.
Look at the part of the community that’s dying – TOR is going F2P, how many gear grind MMOs have closed, how many are fringed and nearly dead and relying on the few super expensive items to keep going? Adding ever increasing stat grinds make a % of the community happy, a % of the community angry and scares off most newcomers. The issue is GW2 is setup in a way that it doesn’t need or benefit from new tiers. Adding new tiers makes a lot of people want to quit – hardcores and non hardcore – and won’t add a lot of newcomers who are either already playing and will think of quiting or already farming in another MMO that gives them the gear grind they really want.
“maybe change TAB function to “nearest enemy” instead of “next enemy” in settings?”
In GW1, tab was target next, ctrl was target nearest. I didn’t check the options enough to realize if it works like this now.
As a regular of both PvE and WvW I must say Ascended is bad in both. Don’t ask to ban it from one, ban it universally.
“Other players will not refuse to group with you just because you don’t have a specific skin.”
Actually, they will. If you reskinned your ascended armour they’ll kick you for not having it. If you ping it, I assume it’ll be good until people start posting max tiered ascended/infused armour on forums that people can spoof pinging with. Then you’ll be kicked for not having “ascended looking” ascended armour.
Eliteists are a weird bunch.
You should just get a “this item is not high enough level to gather this” text when you try to use it. I can’t tell you how many times I forgot to switch to ori for a ori node in CS.