Guild Wars 2

Kodiack.2783:

AR has as reputation for playing for 2nd, because we strive to move up and fight the tougher fights.

Ar has a rep for playing for second because they take it in the rear to whoever they view as strongest in order to put down someone else. It’s a good strategy I guess.

Ar must hate us by now.

locoman.1974:

I prefer the way they are now. The way they were before several times I was running towards one right in front of me, see it being activated and dying before I could even get a shot in, and activating one myself (usually after waiting a little to see if anyone was around) I could kill them using the guardian’s GW swirly attack even before they attacked once.

Now I can still solo them, though I have to be more careful, see which ones it spawned so I know what will they attack with and actually dodge when fighting them, even in high level areas (my guardian was soloing them in frostgorge sound last night, for example) and if someone else activated them, it gave me time to actually get there and hit them before dying.

And while they are much harder, at least my level 23 warrior in a level 25 area (NE corner of brisban wildlands) had no trouble soling them last night either. I did die once in one of the projectors before killing the 4th mob, but a quick run from a nearby waypoint and I killed it right away and looted all 4.

Personally I think they hit the sweet spot, they’re harder than regular mobs so you don’t rush in blindly, just barely easy enough to be soloable yet hard enough to encourage groups (and to give time for someone to arrive after activating), and not as frustrating as the christmas ones when you got princesses.

Are you traited as full support on your guardian?

Ryuujin.8236:

Ayrilana.1396:

Didn’t really change anything except make a berserker guardian the preferred class to solo these. I just tested it and guardian is now the fastest due to their pull attack.

Every time people say that god kills a kitten.

(AoE pulls arn’t unique to guardian, mesmer’s can do it too using focus 4, and can create a much larger opening burst, frequently sufficient to kill the entire group in a single blast)

For me they go down almost as soon as they aren’t invulnerable. Even using my third guardian (only level 33, other 2 are 80 in exotic) it’s about 2 seconds. 5542 gs and then I’m off to the next holo.

Link.1589:

In GW1 the only endgame stuff was a flashy weapon and that’s about it, yet GW1 went on strong for ages, so I wouldn’t be all that worried about GW2.

Please don’t compare GW1 to GW2. I like GW2, but it will never be what GW1 was to me.

While GW2 may not be dead, you can’t deny how empty most of the zones are. OP I hope you didn’t create an account on BP.

I have to thank HoD, you guys netted me a 4th ticket today from your suicide runs on sm. Thank you =)

Last time I played my thief was around christmas. I stopped playing pretty much to focus on ranked in LoL. Now that I’ve gotten where I wanted I am looking to play my thief again. Not in spvp or anything, just mostly soloing stuff and running around wvw/pve.

The reason for the post is because I used a build that was all about LDB spam. It was fun, and I could take supply camps solo with it. I don’t have the build anymore, and a friend told me it had been nerfed and no one ran it anymore. So I’m curious is there any build similar to it. I really like D/D but I’ve never been much into BS spamming that’s why I enjoyed the build. That and the mobility.

If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it very much.

edit

It was death blossom, not sure where I got lotus death blossom from sorry.

WereDragon.6083:

MIrra.3604:

Rok.5260:

I mean the full on Carrion P/D Thieves…

Best counter to P/D thieves in 1v1 is to walk away while laughing.

What class are you playing because I can keep 12 stacks of bleed up consistently at 135 damage. Then spider venom on you for around 216 every 2 seconds. If I devourer’s venom you in caltrops I can easily get the bleed stacks to 20+

That’s 2,600 damage a second for my 7/8’s of bleed, not counting my pistol shots and CnD or spider venom. WTF class are you running that can shrug off that damage?

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guardians also passively remove conditions. Having faced a few of these on guardian I run a kind of strange build but it works. I will also use smite condition in wvw, though I doubt that’s what we are talking about.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

I support anet by buying things like character slots/cosmetics not chests.

actually you support nc soft by buying gems with real dollars. anet does not get anything from the gem sales. anet only gets what nc soft gives them.

for me, i only want to spend on character slots, bag slots, bank slots, bank upgrades, cosmetics maybe.

and yes it would be nice if we can sell the tickets or give them away.

i dun fancy the dragon weapons myself.

I guess my meaning was that even though I don’t buy the chests I can understand the frustration of those that do. I know people that have put a good bit (by my standards) of cash into them and got nothing. It makes me feel bad for them when I don’t even want the things but have them. I would even buy a ticket transfer token for like 50 gems or something.

I don’t think anyone wanting this is looking to get rich. I imagine they are just like me and have people they care about that want the skins. That’s to Anet, not your post. I hope they consider doing this, I’m going to keep mine collecting dust just in case they do.

Ove 2 accounts I have gotten more tickets than it seems possible considering the odds. The thing is, I don’t want any of them. Please allow me to sell them to people that want them, or even just allow me to gift them to other people. As it is now they are taking up space.

I understand that by allowing this you will cut down on rich coffers selling, so maybe limit it to one ticket transferred (either by selling, or gift) per account. I support anet by buying things like character slots/cosmetics not chests. I understand the anger some people have. Maybe it would help if they can see that the item is available for X many gems (in the form of gold).

This isn’t meant to be a selfish post. I have the tickets, and I don’t want them. It seems others who have gotten multiple don’t want them either. Yet there are plenty of people who do want them but we can’t even give them away.

carlvinmadarang.4130:

Is the difference between the two for dropping weapon tickets significant? Just want to know before I buy a ton with gold. Like if rich is 1% and regular is .5%, it might be better to just buy regular in bulk non?

Out of everyone I know personally that bought coffers they got 0 tickets. Out of the ~112 regular coffers I opened last night I got 2 tickets and 4 mini pets. Anecdotal? Yes, but it’s just info to go on.

Agaetis.4518:

Just form a party and co-operate instead of complaining. It worked fine for me to do that and nicely asking ppl to wait a couple of seconds before interacting with the holograms…

That doesn’t work with warriors camped on each one. The knockback might work who knows the mobs die to one spin/100b.

The way they implemented it doesn’t make much sense. The only good thing is that it’s inefficient to farm the dragon coffers that way, so it’s for the achievement only. I’m pretty sure throughout the month there will be an event where we have to kill those, and if not it’s a month to do it. Plenty of time.

Everyone in game seems to be quiet happy. Allow me to provide some counter points.

1. It is YOUR opinion that their weakest point is their story telling. I would argue that some of their code is their weakest point, others might say it’s art etc… You should get the point. I like the current way the story is playing out, and yes I’ve played since before day 1. The trick is I also play LoL at a rather high elo, and I play single player games, so I don’t just exclusively play gw2.

2. I think someone needs to say this now, and just be clear about it. No one is MAKING anyone do anything. You can completely ignore this event in it’s entirety and still play the game perfectly fine. Again no one is making anyone do this event. If you find you can’t enjoy it just ignore it.

I can understand if you are frustrated about drop rates, or specific bugs, or anything like that. You seem to be frustrated about how the event is working out. The only advice I can offer is just pretend it’s not happening.

Zenith.7301:

They should at least make the kitten skins tradeable on the TP. Or do like in Halloween and introduce another source for the tickets to drop at better rates.

I wish they would make it so you could trade them. I don’t want the two I have would gladly give them to her or sell them.

TheKillerAngel.3596:

The math so far shows that regular coffers have a less than .05% chance of yielding a ticket.

I just can’t see it, unless I’m the luckiest guy in the world. A few over 100 so far 2 tickets 4 minis. First one was on my third coffer. GF has been farming with me, so far she has 3 minis but no tickets =(. Wish I could just give them to her I don’t even want them.

Loving all the QQ. Reading this forum makes it all worth while. Want a score update?

BP has won.

That is all. =)

Isn’t WvW supposed to be like a war? I am curious what would happen if say the USA went to war with a small country and they complained we had too many troops there. Oh, that’s right we would laugh and continue destorying them.

People can complain about zergs, and numbers all they want. If you are so “skilled” at small fights go do spvp. Oh, wait that’s right you can’t because your “skill” involves rolling a thief and backstabbing upleveled people in wvw. Yeah got it.

Hmmm… I see no one wants to talk about the kitten-whooping [Mend] & HoD gave BP & DR @ Stonemist last night.

Not only did we get in while it was under enemy control, we got past you & the Lord’s room to the 2nd floor and proceeded to farm you mercilessly for hours.
I believe you have been formally introduced to [Mend] now.

Was tasty. Ty for the badges & the WvW level

Commander Flappy had a dream, and we Menders like to make sure his dreams come true!

So you were the guys who decided to open fire on a wall of reflection and kill yourselves? Or was that another group on the second floor?

TWMagimay.9057:

AnthonyOrdon.3926:

They’re not resource nodes. They’re finite and pretty random at that. Also there’s much better ways to get them. Is it really causing that much of a problem?

It’s not. But when people have nothing real to whine about, they tend to pull stuff out of their…kittens? Nobody in their right mind would go to WvWvW to farm presents when lvl 1-15 maps have an abundance of those….

Yet people are, and they are using up queue slots to do it. Think about it, you might goto a lower level zone and get yourself a few presents. If you do it in wvw though you can always leech off others hard work, and money spent, and gain that too.

As others have said, add them as rewards for keeping/taking objectives. Remove the pve crap.

Oh, and yes it is a resource node. You guys just kind of lied about not adding it to wvw.

Priest Tully.3798:

I like to play World versus World! It is a lot of fun but I wouldnt want to miss out on the holiday spirit and rewards either! So I am very glad the presents are actually in WvW. I dont get forced to PvE to get them and that makes me very happy!

Yes you are actually. You are either a heavy PvE player, or somehow didn’t notice that you aren’t getting the presents for doing WvW. You are getting the presents for running around doing PvE. Keep that crap in PvE.

How dead are things that their only way of trying to attract people out of LA is by giving them a prize every few feet. Anet should know that we were there for WvW, we didn’t need a damn prize every few feet. The prize was in winning.

Again I haven’t seen one valid argument for why the presents shouldn’t be removed as nodes, and added as drops when defending/taking an objective or kills. Plenty of reasons to make it that way.

emikochan.8504:

The puzzle on the karka island was timed too, it’s what they do to make them more difficult.

No it’s what they do when they want to make a rush job. They can’t do anything like make you think on your feet, that would require thought put into it. Instead they add an artificial “difficulty” in the form of timed events.

People who cant complete the puzzle seriously need to stop whining. So what if its timed, some people enjoy that. Its not as if there arent 30 other non timed JP for you to complete, and not as if you cant get the chest rewards from taking part in other content.

It’s not worth getting mad over. How many people still play gw2? Maybe a few thousand. People getting mad about a jumping puzzle in a game this far in the grave need to take a look at what they consider worth getting angry about. Now if LoL, or WoW introduced something like this I guess they might have a better reason to argue about it. Actually, I would love it if LoL introduced something like this.

After having played some more, I can only conclude that this was a complete screw up by someone. There is just no reason people should be rewarded for not helping their team in wvw.

Either way, I hope you all have a good wintersday. It’s obvious Anet doesn’t give a damn about wvw except giving pve players another place to farm at others expense.

Shaggeh.1256:

Yeah I hate it when everyone is so objective focused 24/7. Relax and enjoy it, I personally stay away from WvW most of the time. I like to get on and help out a little get my monthly kills in that they force me to get . I also need to get badges there if I ever want a legendary.

However I’m the type that likes to play around exploring, doing the jumping puzzles.

Am I not welcome in WvW if going after Keeps/Towers/Camps the whole time isn’t fun for me?

You misunderstand what I wrote. There is nothing wrong with having fun, but wvw isn’t supposed to be about abandoning your team in order to collect presents. Make them drops/prizes whatever from doing the actual objectives that wvw is about. Adding in event nodes actually encourages people not to accomplish the very thing that wvw is supposed to be about.

There is nothing wrong with the presents being there as long as they are a part of the objective. I wouldn’t complain if they dropped from kills, or if they were part of a reward system for taking/defending keeps. That is what wvw is supposed to be about.

Let me put it a different way. Let’s say you just spent an hour going through a hard dungeon. Further say that some members of that party dropped a few gold just to get you that far. Now say you are fighting this hard boss, and you look over and one or two of your party are collecting presents instead of fighting with the rest of you.

That’s not an exaggeration on the money either. It cost money to upgrade camps,towers, and keeps. You can’t buy it with karma, or badges. When I’m defending a fully upgraded camp and I look over and see a few guys getting presents while I’m trying to protect this camp from a larger group it sucks. You can say what you like, but my idea of fun is helping my server win. I enjoy it. I spend the time farming pve just so I can help accomplish that. Yet this node system is hurting it. Make it so that they can still get presents, but make it so that you have to do something wvw related in order to get them in wvw. I don’t care what they do in pve.

My Op wasn’t some type of insult to players that enjoy that, so please don’t take it that way.

Make them drops from other players, but the presents are causing issues. Especially when people have a queue and instead of participating you have groups running around gathering presents.

It is extremely annoying when we are fighting against a group of skilled opponents and we see some of our guys out picking up presents instead of actually participating.

There were plenty of ways to implement this, make them rewards for capturing/taking points. Make them drops from players. There were several ways of making them rewards for actually participating in wvw. Instead you have made them rewards for NOT participating. So far the only good they have done is when we set an ambush next to a present. That doesn’t even feel right.

Please consider removing them and instead making them drops when you take something, or defend something.

Had a guy named Knark*** today on BP asking me to ping my weapon in LA. When I explained that in spvp your pve gear doesn’t apply, he basically told me I was wrong. I tried explaining to this guy that it doesn’t matter what you use in pve, that in spvp it’s different. I

I don’t understand how this long after release people are still running around without even the basics of spvp down. I’ve seen this from several sides of pvp. There was a guy similar in wvw that ran by a fight to get a skill point while his team was fighting. Just ignored them.

Now I know that isn’t easily accounted for with a tutorial, but I would hope that better tutorials can be added for both spvp,tpvp, and wvw. Further it should be required that people complete the entire tutorial at least once on an account if they want to do any pvp.

edit: to avoid the name and shame I removed most of the guys name.

Dovgan.8605:

@GSS You do understand how outmanned works and the bugs therein right? I guess if you never have it it can be difficult to understand after an enemy is killed it often removes the buff until you leave the zone and come back. I realize however your pride will not allow you to believe someone when they tell you, we had the outmanned on, that equates to 4x the enemy number. I’m not here to argue the facts, because you fail to see anything but what you are willing to. It is my honest wish though that one day you will mature and understand that I am not trying to hurt your pride, I’m just relaying my point of view.

Either way you called me out about targeting someone. I did have kitten of it. When provided you give yet another excuse instead of admitting “hey maybe we weren’t out numbered, maybe we were outplayed”. I will admit freely that BP got outplayed several times today. I personally got destroyed when I was wandering around like a noob, and ran face first into a group of ar on your bl.

I’m not one of those people that enjoys outnumbering the other side. I don’t think you will find many on BP that are. We enjoy the fair fights. They are fun. You should see our chats this week from when we own everything. Let me sum it up for you by saying NO ONE IS HAPPY ABOUT IT. It seems that no matter how many times we tell you guys that you don’t get it. You seem to think BP is running around bragging in chat about how great it is to own everything. It sucks, it’s boring, it’s not fun. We would much rather have a fair fight, but the system that’s in place is just broken. Even if they did do a queuing system like that it would end up broken.

Someone earlier posted that I must think I do so much good or something. Not really. I spend a few gold a day (nothing compared to the guilds) and I try to help out. I don’t usually run a damage build, I usually run support. I’m not out there making big plays. I can also tell you from that though that AR doesn’t have that. It’s easy to tell. You guys seem to have everyone going damage, and that just isn’t going to work. You need people like me that are willing to say “screw it, I won’t get any bags but I’m going to heal/repair/build siege etc”. That was why I made that comment about thieves. For the most part they are a great 1v1 profession. WvW isn’t about 1v1s though. It’s about a group effort to help your world win.

Dovgan.8605:

@tas Was actually fun for me to do the set up on that one. I started having folks run supply when the wall was under 30% because you had all moved south and we sent a strike to take out the treb. Amazing what you can get done with no commander. I think a large portion of the AR people there were still amazed that we held it, you had the man power, but we had the high ground. Now if I could just figure out a way to get more people down with defense.

There were a few “Cliffside will not be taken” messages in chat. Was a good time.

So I’m just curious if you checked out that screen shot I posted. The second one. You mentioned that I didn’t have one of me targeting the AR because it would have shown you guys had the outmanned buff. I did have one though, and uploaded it. Still waiting on your response.

In case you’ve forgotten, because the post was on the second page.

Dovgan.8605:

@GSSBlunaspike Maybe if he had actually targeted someone that had the outmanned buff. I was there, it was on. That’s 4 times the number when it pops. Keep telling yourself that it’s not. There were 3 golems that had been used on 2 towers prior to that, two that were about half dead because some people don’t know they can’t tank oil. Congrats on killing them after they had already served their purpose though.

And even with that unorganized lot, you failed to mention they still got the outer down is clever on your part. I was in the tower before it was zerged right across the way, the golems were my build, and I was done with them.

Funny that you mentioned it. See I did target and get a screen just in case.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8813/gw553v.jpg

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I can’t wait to play again, but you have to rank early or you get stuck in elo hell. Any LoL players here know what I mean. Btw check the link below..yes I’m proud.

Dovgan.8605:

@GSSBlunaspike Maybe if he had actually targeted someone that had the outmanned buff. I was there, it was on. That’s 4 times the number when it pops. Keep telling yourself that it’s not. There were 3 golems that had been used on 2 towers prior to that, two that were about half dead because some people don’t know they can’t tank oil. Congrats on killing them after they had already served their purpose though.

And even with that unorganized lot, you failed to mention they still got the outer down is clever on your part. I was in the tower before it was zerged right across the way, the golems were my build, and I was done with them.

Funny that you mentioned it. See I did target and get a screen just in case.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/8813/gw553v.jpg

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Dovgan.8605:

@GSSBlunaspike I will refer you to my constant outmanned buff as a response.

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/2673/gw552.jpg

Count the green dots. Oh, and we won that fight.

AR walked their golems in front of our cannons and they got destroyed. We jumped down from the wall and killed one as it crossed the bridge infront of overlook, while your zerg ran so far ahead they couldn’t do anything.

Keep telling yourself it’s numbers.

Dovgan.8605:

@GSSBlunaspike Well aware that Wv3 is mass warfare. I play a ranger, and if you ever fought me you would know it’s not a glass build, and neither was the level 31 your brave BP player that ran from(maybe he thought the green arrow by the name meant I was above 80). I get it, you guys know you can’t win on even terms, I’d run too if I was one of your players and saw a solo up arrow character coming towards me.

The one thing I have noticed about BP players in general is they lack heart, they claim superiority, when the only superiority I have seen so far is the ability to field players. The one thing you fail to realize is that Wv3 isn’t about badges, or 1 v 1 or 100 v 100, it’s a land grab game relying on siege warfare. If your soldiers are mostly cowards, then it will ring volumes in larger scale wars.

You could have the worst built level 2 character on a well placed arrow cart or balista and that player can be the absolute difference between winning and losing an engagement.

While fighting at AR BL bay, I noticed that your server doesn’t even understand the basic concepts of flanking(no you don’t move slightly to the left where everyone in the entire field of battle can see you and rush in with double the numbers, that’s not exactly what flanking is), which failed multiple times and the only way your server mates stopped the assault was by throwing more and more meat into the grinder. That’s a tactic I suppose, just not one that’s going to work out when you have players that are not willing to face an equal number of opponents.

good points, I refer you to the score board for my rebuttal.

Dovgan.8605:

I have to admit that I am a little disappointed in AR right now. Was just in EB and we had 2, yes 2 people in there. This is not the same AR I am used to. I guess that is the state of AR Wv3 right now. That being said, it was funny that the true 80 geared BP Guardian ran from my ungeared lvl 31 reroll like a frightened little girl and had to get back up to fight me. I guess that’s the state of BP Wv3.

I don’t think AR has gotten the memo yet (based the amount of thieves, you haven’t) but WvW isn’t about 1v1s. It’s about a score that determines if you are the better server. See we have something I’ve noticed AR lacks entirely. Support players. Players that won’t get the same amount of badges, players that won’t get the thanks. Yet in the end their heals, buffs, and the defense they bring allow us to win.

So go ahead, keep building glass cannons and thinking that the whole world is about 1v1s. We will move up a tier, but based on the numbers even if we do, you still won’t win as long as a competent server is in your tier.

Consider that I’m not being rude, I’m making a suggestion for how you might improve.

Real classy, ya know if perhaps BP was in tier 1 and actually pulled control of one side completely i’d understand posting things like this and calling the server out, but when your fighting two servers that obviously has less population in the wvw maps, it’s rather a joke. As much as I think it’s great for BP gaining all these people suddenly, to move you up in tiers, I can’t wait till you meet servers with equal population in the maps as you guys have, and then I hope you get stomped all over, so you’ll see that in reality that it’s not your awesome “stategic” minds winning at the end of the day, it’s really just your numbers.

Yeah yeah same thing you guys said two weeks ago when we moved into this tier. “BP you will get stomped next week.blah blah blah”. Didn’t happen. Personally I look forward to more fair fights, this is boring.

Sitting on this siege outside of AR spawn is kind of boring. Did you guys just give up?

It’s kind of sad to see AR qqing, people should go read their posts from last week. When people said the same things they are saying to us now. It’s so cute to see the hypocrisy.

Can’t wait to get back in the game, had to stay away for a week so I could get my matches done for the new season.

Manoa.5897:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Manoa.5897:

Wispy.8679:

Been a long time since BP has had a 100% pie.

Night capping is hard…m’kay? :p

At what point does it become day capping? We held almost everything till around 3/4 pm yesterday.

Right now it’s
BP 152,105
SF 52,418
HoD 30,020

You don’t tripple another servers score 3 days after reset with night capping. It’s actually not mathematically possible.

First, I was just poking a little fun…don’t be so serious.

Second, my post was only in response to BP having 100% of the map controlled at the specific point in time that that image was posted…it wasn’t a commentary on the score. You guys have really good WvW participation, even in off-peak hours. You’re fighting against two servers who have very little to no off-peak coverage. Of course you guys are going to dominate the map by 12am-1am PST.

The scores are a different, but related story. You’re fighting against a server who lost a good portion of their WvW community and has been falling in the ranks. And another who is predominately PvE, struggles with tactics coordination (sorry my fellow SF folk, but this is really one of our weaknesses) and can be pretty fair-weather and leave for PvE when the going gets tough. Both servers spend a good half (or more) of the day trying to reclaim what was lost the previous night, but then loose it really quickly when their populations drop during the evening hours.

But both SF and HoD can most certainly bring it during peak hours and I myself have had some good WvW fun during those peak hours.

P.S. Please don’t take any of this the wrong way…this isn’t meant to be griping and complaining about how we’re getting our bums handed to us in WvW this week. This match is FAR more interesting than last week when we were dominating the map because there’s actually some WvW action. Just providing some context, that’s all. To be frank, this match-up is an easy win for you guys. And just as us Sorrow’s Furnace folks shouldn’t have been patting ourselves on the back and puffing our chests about our mad WvW skillz last week (which was pointed out by several SF folks last week, including myself), BP shouldn’t be patting themselves on the back too terribly much this week.

But winning isn’t everything…so let’s at least all have some fun with it!

O.k. you are going to think I am a jerk for saying this, but do you honestly think it’s fun owning everything? It’s boring. It’s not fun at all. I want you guys to get more people. I want your side to show up in numbers. I have only got to fight you a few times, and it was great. Most of the time it’s just a few thieves ganking people and not actually trying to do anything. That’s not fun to me.

I don’t actually think it’s fun for anyone on BP. We want to fight, not own everything in sight.

I also think that server transfers are an issue. I don’t think you should be able to transfer to a server in your tier, or higher. Of course I also think that the lowest three should be merged into the 3 above it. So the lowest tier would get merged into the next lowest tier. That should provide more numbers, and make wvw actually fun. I know it can’t be fun for the small dedicated group you have doing wvw. You might take stuff just to lose it, that’s gotta feel like such an empty victory. BP was there not too long ago believe it or not. We didn’t give up, but man it sucked. I remember getting camped right outside of our borderlands, and eb. It was fun at all.

Sorry if I got a bit defensive, but I’m really used to the jerks we’ve been dealing with these past weeks. I didn’t mean any offense to you, SF/HoD.

Friday night, everyone playing till they dropped, was awesome. So many great back and forth fights, epic sieges and defenses, etc. HoD still struggles population wise but always seems to show up out of nowhere to hit you where it hurts.

Tell your people to stop worrying about trying to gank, and actually capture stuff. Yesterday you had groups running around just trying to gank. There was enough of them to take back some of your stuff, but instead of trying they were just worried about ganking. Unsuccessfully at that. I’m not trying to say HoD sucks, I’m just saying that if you try to talk to them and say "hey you 10 guys running down the road chasing that mesmer (me lol, and they didn’t catch me) would go grab a supply camp we could probably take something.

bradderzh.2378:

Well when you guys get henge and ET, I would expect the whole map to be yours.

It’s a simple case of losing teams giving up. I have been on anvil from the start and have seen it every week. I believe this is the first time we are looking at a win, ever.
Every other time people in our server look at the points deficit and think “no way am I going on wvw, I’ll just get stomped”. Hell, I even used to do it when I was lower levels.

I’m sure when you get two easy opponants next week and start winning, all your players will continue to play wvw and it will be you accused of having lots of guilds transfer in…

Oh man, this thread is great. Keep it going AR, plenty of us on BP are getting a kick out of this.

To any new comers curious why it’s so funny, please read this thread.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/11-23-BP-AR-GOM-Matchup/first

Kid Taylor.5479:

I’m quite sure that Jinks is very right that it takes more personal skill in wvw than in spvp and it is not just another opinion.

The more people in a battle the less personal skill comes into play. That’s just how it is. On the other hand in 1v1 where personal skill SHOULD be the most important, it usually comes down to profession/gear.

Only if you eliminate all of the other stuff gear/level/profession can you get down to personal skill. That will almost never happen in wvw. It’s at least possible, again very unlikely, in spvp.

If they added in 1v1 pvp into the game, you would have certain professions that are chosen often, and some that are never chosen. If they did though then people would say THAT is the ultimate decider of personal skill. As it is right now there is no way to say that. You can’t say one takes more, they simply take different skills.

As I said earlier wvw skills are not spvp skills. They are different. I suck at spvp, but I’m very good at wvw because I put my teams victory over my own kitten size. Something lacking on these forums.

As to the topic, I think it’s because Anet expected much more to be happening in wvw than is currently happening. Remember they planned on wvw to be part of the “end game”.

Jinks.2057:

Yes I said it, and no you can’t disprove it.

Its just the way it is. It has a place in the game, but there’s no unknown.

It’s called SPvP and TPvP. I don’t see PvP anywhere in WvWvW.

A persons skill in WvWvW is only a measurement in their skill at WvWvW. A persons skill in SPvP, and TPvP is their measurement of skill in PvP.

Now if you want to discuss which one takes more skill, o.k. If I have to quote you I will. Fact is I can’t say that because I’m good at boxing I’m good at taekwondo. I’m good at boxing.

Manoa.5897:

Wispy.8679:

Been a long time since BP has had a 100% pie.

Night capping is hard…m’kay? :p

At what point does it become day capping? We held almost everything till around 3/4 pm yesterday.

Right now it’s
BP 152,105
SF 52,418
HoD 30,020

You don’t tripple another servers score 3 days after reset with night capping. It’s actually not mathematically possible.

denyitbattle.2609:

In talking to some of my hardcore GW2 playing friends (I’m a casualcore at best), we tried to identify what it would take for them and their large PvE guilds to get seriously into PvP.

The main factor that they find is missing has nothing really to do with the esport features like matchmaking and spectator mode (which personally I find the most important), but instead tangible incentives for their character that persist into the rest of the game (PvE, WvW). Additionally, we identified that since WvW actually accomplishes this to some degree as well as provides a more casualish PvP outlet for more primary-PvE players, the end result is that s/tPvP interest is more hurt by WvW than helped.

I understand that we don’t want any of the “grind” or progression to from come PvE into s/tPvP, even to the degree that it does in WvW; however, that doesn’t mean that things can’t flow the other way, does it?

Why not bring back the emotes used in GW1 to show-off rank? Why not bring back the world announcements for significant PvP accomplishments (such as the upcoming daily and monthly tournaments)? Why not allow skins from PvP to be used in the PvE environment?

Anet seems to be taking baby-steps in this direction by including daily and monthly PvP achievements and even making it possible to win gems in PvP (better than gold), but even these things aren’t being advertised enough (both major PvE guilds I talked to were not aware of the gem rewards 3 days after the patch hit).

Personally, I’d like to even go more extreme. Like have a new dungeon that requires a QP to enter and then immediately after the final boss fight, you actually have to fight another group that completed the dungeon in a mini PvP “map” with no respawns for the best possible dungeon reward.

Obviously there is a ton of things that could be done and, as always, time and resources are the issue…. It would just be nice if, at the same time that all these great esporty features landed, there were supporting incentives given to re-ignite and grow the community.

There is already enough forcing pve players into wvw. Some like it, some don’t. The ones that don’t view it as a punishment. Check their facebook. Once it was found out people who were fans dropped the game like it was on fire. It was a huge mistake that really bit them in butt. Doing it even more would make things worse, not better.

Most pvers right now seem to be running this new dungeon till they pass out anyway.

You are trying to blame the pve people for the lack of population in spvp/tpvp. That’s not because of pvers, it’s because of a horrible pvp system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jvXDv70-6Gg

Jinks.2057:

sPvP is very unrealistic PvP.

I admit it takes skill and coordination, but quite frankly its kiddy PvP. Ya know wtf is coming each match. You know what each class is bringing to the table that month.

WvW is a bit different since each class generally has different builds due to the amount of space you have to work with. Yes I’ve seen the pure sPvP builds out in WvW and ya know what? They died w/ a bit of kiting after blowing their CDs.

WvW will always be the true measure of ones ability to PvP. There are no rules…regulations or any of the lame crap in sPvP. Its just pure uncensored PvP.

So the fact that the titles are easier to get is a no brainer.

As someone that does both I’m kind of bothered by peoples attitude about spvp here.

Spvp is pretty static. Yes it’s not very dynamic, and you have specific builds for it. Yes almost all of the matches are the same due to the way the meta is. Most spvpers that I know aren’t great in wvw, because in spvp the maps are always the same. The fights will allways be in certain areas, and you learn them. In wvw it’s completely different. Does that mean that spvp people have no real pvp skill? No, and it’s silly to say that. It’s just a different set of skills.

Stop putting down on each other. We all pvp, and we should support each other. As pvp players we are all we have, Anet seems to have forgotten we exist.

Just don’t be surprised if people won’t help you after the second time you are downed.

Mere Image.8376:

BP is spawn camping with siege. I’m originally from GoM, but I came to sorrows to kick some BP behind. Unfortunately they thought it was cool to place balistas outside the spawn and have a guild guard them. The 5 or so guys led by a commander sucked so bad in the actual fight that they fled from me, a single squishy player of average skill, to attack me with their siege like a boss.

Sounds like you made a good choice =P

Sorry just a little sarcasm there. I look forward to fighting you guys.

jkctmc.8754:

But low and behold the second you get a bigger population, your server has been inuslting us left, and right.

If you want to talk about insults I can repost some of the private messages you sent me. I think it’s better if we just ignore each other, so this is the last message of yours I will respond to.

It’s so crazy seeing this thread. GoM/ET are saying the same things about AR that AR said about BP. AR is saying the same thing BP said, lol. Oh this is great.

Can’t wait for next week, this weeks wvw is boring. SF gave up, and HoD is more worried about trying to duel people than actually capture anything. AR was like that at the start. Tons of thieves, but you couldn’t take anything. Then you realized “hey, we should try to win” and you brought out your real players. Started taking stuff, and actually made it fun.

Kodiack.2783:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

I got aggravated because it seems that AR in general were completely ignoring the improvements BP made as a server, and thought it was just numbers. I knew the same thing would happen with you guys once I saw how much you were all improving. You were moving better, and not placing siege at strange places (the rams to take down a wall come to mind) arrow carts back a little more etc.

Numbers place a huge role, but so does the rest of it. I can’t wait to fight against you guys again. I hope we can all have a clean fight. If so I think everyone will have fun no matter what the rankings are.

It isn’t that we ignore how well you’ve improved. We all have, it wasn’t until GoM showed up in this bracket that both BP and AR had a chance to start to properly learn how to Wv3. To your credit , BP got your act together much faster than Anvil Rock. For that you deserve credit.

However your side, BP, fails to admit that the biggest factor in their ability to win was the increase in Wv3 participation. When you go from being able to field forces in 2 maps, to 3 maps, to then 4 maps, that takes both organization but also numbers. But for some reason,even mentioning numbers was like some awful insult.

Case in point. Anvil Rock is winning this match, because we can field more players on the field.

See, the world doesn’t end when you admit the obvious.

-K

Actually if you look at my previous post on why I thought BP was doing so much better, my very first point was increased population. I’ve never denied that point, only said that it wasn’t the only factor.

Last week we were told how much we were going to be crushed this week when we moved up a tier. The guy wasn’t smack talking, he was pointing out that even though SF was supposed to beat us so easy we have done more than hold our own.

If we can all agree that population is a huge part of it, but it isn’t the only part then what is there to argue about? I won’t deny population, but as you guys are seeing right now it’s also learning what to do and when.

Point is the system actively punishes those that try to help their server. We spend tons of money on upgrades, and see no reward. It’s just like the rest of wvw though. Try playing support and you never get anything.

As for them fixing it, I will hold my breath for those ranger bullet point fixes we were told about.

ktith.6197:

@GSS

Actually I know of two guilds that transfered to BP in last week’s matchup, but I have no doubt that you had several people getting done with PvE that added to your overall compliment of players for WvW. etc..

I should explain something real quick. I agree that we must have had transfers, though who I don’t know. What you couldn’t see though is the amount of PvE that was going on in BP. Almost every place on the map was a ghost land, except for LA and CS/FG. BP had a huge amount of people at 80, or about to hit 80. We really don’t have much anywhere else. So when Dai/other commanders started recruiting we did increase. I haven’t said at all that BP didn’t get a big increase in population. Just that I think it’s mostly due to people coming to wvw from pve. I could be wrong, and I will openly admit that. I have no way of knowing for sure.

Also I respect you, and most of AR a great deal. You guys were improving. I remember a few weeks ago when we won so easily, we took most of eb/part of your bl and you guys had only minimal upgrades on towers and no upgrades on camps. It was like you didn’t care. Then you got better, and that last week you guys were actively upgrading. It made taking things harder, and allowed smaller forces to hold out against much larger zergs. It made a huge difference. That wasn’t even the only area, you guys improved in almost everything. You either had a commander that knew what to do, or players that figured it out. It was great to watch, and I remember thinking you guys are going to be great to fight against. GoM was the same, they were learning and upgrading too.

I got aggravated because it seems that AR in general were completely ignoring the improvements BP made as a server, and thought it was just numbers. I knew the same thing would happen with you guys once I saw how much you were all improving. You were moving better, and not placing siege at strange places (the rams to take down a wall come to mind) arrow carts back a little more etc.

Numbers place a huge role, but so does the rest of it. I can’t wait to fight against you guys again. I hope we can all have a clean fight. If so I think everyone will have fun no matter what the rankings are.

Niim.9260:

DtC.4806:

really what has scaled this matchup was the DKz who stayed up all night and upgraded everything then waited until the day crew logged in during the afternoon before any of us went to bed, it completely demoralized any SF from wanting to play, especially after not being able to cap lowlands back, im sorry if we broke ur guys’ back u guys gave us some stressful times until the other commanders log in i tell u…SO stressful of a night/morning lol, i enjoyed it very much guys im glad most ppl here have alot better attitude then in our GOM AR matchup

Self congratulatory posts are always the best.

You would prefer a self deprecatory post?

Niim.9260:

jkctmc.8754:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Vv W.7821:

Henge will put up a good fight, the best fight it’s put up since TA left us to our slow and painful decline in the rankings! And to those Borlis Pass people who had to get past my arrow cart in the jumping puzzle well done, I honestly didn’t think you could jump all the way to me with an arrow cart on you!

Guess we know which server is the new AR for this week.

As for the black screening, I can believe it. WvW seems buggy as hell. Can’t keep a stable connection, but anywhere else in the game I’m fine. No idea what is going on.

You guys have to forgive this guy, and his insults. He doesn’t know, nor understand the state of the game, and how Henge of Denravi, and the Titan Alliance owned every server pre-release, and when queue times got to 4-7 hours, people left Henge of Denravi in mass because of it, and because of other issues.

He thinks you’re making excuses, without knowing the reality of the situation.

I just assumed the AR comment was in regards to the arrow cart in the jump puzzle, not an invitation to tell the story of HoD.

It was, I wouldn’t ever camp the j/p. Seems to me that if someone wants to do the j/p let them. Seems like a really underhanded tactic when those people for the most part are pvers. I don’t mess with them as long as they leave me alone. I saw this guy from SF last night, a ranger. He was just killing mobs so I ignored him. The second I turn my back to walk away he shoots me in the butt. Sometimes all being nice gets you is shot in the rear.

That said, I really hope we can keep this a clean match up. So far there have been some really fun fights. I died several times when you guys were in between our spawn and keep. Breaking that line was crazy, and I owe a portion of it to endure pain. Stayed up 8 hours past my bed time, but before I left we were building up eb really nice. Justice was putting so much money into upgrades I think the guy must be flat broke.

Vistal.2906:

AND BP NOM Guild and a few other Speed hack cooldown ELE’s are big time hackers.

I hope you reported them. I did tonight, fortunately BP refused to do it. The guy opened a port, but BP is stand up enough they didn’t even take it.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5725/tcheat.jpg

Have plenty of them, our commanders and almost all of the players ignored the portals and took it the right way. Happened a few times till the guy got the point, we aren’t going to cheat.

Nut.4713:

It’s certainly completely out of whack when compared to the relative cost of obtaining Karma or crafted gear. I wouldn’t increase the drop rate, since badges can buy siege. Increasing the drop rate would make siege essentially infinite for many of us. I’d reduce the cost of the gear to be more in line with the time commitment required to obtain gear via other activities.

In that case each piece would cost about 10 badges. Won’t happen.

Oh and GW2 is completely broken to probably the most important aspect of wvw which is support. Support gets no rewards, even though THEY are the reason that almost anything happens. You spend hours speeding yaks along, good for you but no reward. Even though your side got the advantage because of it. Oh, you managed to heal/buff your team, and run supply to help build stuff. Tough, you didn’t stand there dpsing so you get nothing.