Guild Wars 2

Qoltera.3042:

Hi guys, just want a general opinion, I have a 26 charr guardian, but I feel like his movements are too clumsy, and I’m thinking of remaking as a human. I already have a human warrior so I didn’t want repetition. But, here’s also a question, is the clumsiness just in my head? Or do charrs attack slower?

I have an 80 guardian human, charr, and norn. I prefer the charr because a Charrdian is the best guardian =P. Also gives us access to an interesting elite, and fury

My characters (some of them) below, guess which race I prefer =P

KratosAngel.7289:

Wait until the OP gets nerfed at the end of the month probably and turn to the next OP profession/build
More seriously, it’s very hard to deal with those …
You should have the 2 anti conditions (smite condi for damage, contemplation of purity for when you’re overwhelmed).
Try to avoid as many marks as possible, pop stab from the beginning if possible (SYG) to prevent fear added to burning/torment/bleeding which is deadly.
Make sure you avoid the marks/wells, especially the nasty one which converts boons into conditions.

Pretty much this, necros are very strong right now. I don’t think they are in need of a nerf though. Their weakness is burst, if you can burst one down quickly enough it’s over.

A trick I use is to juke it. Basically I turn and run like I’m going to run away, it lures out their aoes then I teleport to them.

Liu.4751:

stemare.2578:

Liu.4751:

Guardians are one of the most pvp underpowered classes in the game.

You win.

Actually, guardian is one of the strongest class in sPvP and quite balanced in WvW, maybe you should try another build.

But I explained why guardiands are the most underpowered class because of mobility or maybe ranged is just broken I don know but you seem to think a full zerker gunho great sword build is somehow a good build. Anet put full zerker builds for pvp and fun and easiness of making them work. I beat great sword guardians no problem same with hammer the reason being is because they have no mobility and don’t lap any conditions on. So your gonna have to explain why guardians are the strongest class in pvp in aspect compared to other classes seeming you are showing you know what this is.

I will let someone else take the spvp part. Hint though it’s mostly because we can bunker well, though we don’t supply the kill pressure of some bunkers.

As for the part about dueling, well I know a little bit about that. Your lack of mobility can be made up for, but it does require changes to your build. You haven’t posted what build you use, so I don’t think any of us can make suggestions. We are balanced though.

I would suggest using terrain to your advantage, and consider using the mobility abilities you have access to. The build I run has a leap on gs, a teleport on sword, and a teleport on JI. If you need to you can always equip a hydromancy. Are there more mobile classes, absolutely. Consider why you need the mobility though. If it’s to run away, well there is either a problem with the build or the player. If you need mobility to chase it’s because you’ve already won. I hope you won’t take that as me being mean, or disrespectful, I’m just trying to explain why I feel the way I do.

Today I’ve gotten several kills by hiding out of los, then going in with JI (36 second cd). I think if I might make a suggestion, lose the shield. It’s crap. I know there are some builds that use it, but imo if you are dueling you are far better off using a focus. For a burst precast 5, then switch to gs, hit gs2/ji at the same time. You will catch them completely by surprise most of the time and unload a ton of damage. From there you have a leap (they will almost always try to run). Just stick to them. It’s rough I know, but it’s also the price you pay to play guardian.

BlueSoda.6297:

slaney.4250:

Maybe Anet can install some kind of hall monitor type thing to stop this outrageous behaviour of people helping people….or maybe, just maybe they have better things to be bothered about?

It’s helping sure, but it is also cheating and exploiting. It’s people getting something they didn’t work for and didn’t earn.

You mean like all of the pve players getting those boosts from WvW even though they don’t set a foot in there?

GG, this was a fun week. I have to thank you guys though. I’m not being sarcastic, but I really had no idea how in the hell I would get any fortune scraps. Then bam one of you guys gives me 50. I’m really glad they included it this way. I was dreading farming more bandits.

This guy runs a very similar build to my own. I will warn you ahead of time though both are very customized to individual play styles. That includes gear setups, traits, utilities etc. You can get an idea of it though.

Honestly, just try something that looks fun to you, then switch it up a bit. You’ll end up with your ideal build once you build it yourself.

That is awesome advice. Creating your own build is a great thing. Use build craft some of the traits are outdated, but it will give you a general idea.

Iconoklast.2389:

Hi just coming back to my guardian after taking some time to make and play my mesmer and was wondering if Knights armor is the still the way to go? Thanks in advance!

For what exactly?

Parktou.4263:

SmoothHussler.6387:

but trust me, there is only one thing and one thing only guardians should be jealous of warriors for; swiftness and gap closers. That’s it.

Technically that’s two things :/

This is yet another example of why I say that the Guardian forums are the best forums.

Terkov.4138:

Interesting. Numbers would change a bit if you used optimal skill “rotation” – GS and LB for ranger would be better, but also other classes would benefit on some weapons. Also, I takie it those numbers are without pet? (they are close to what I remmber from my tests). If so, adding cat (whos AA didn’t get nerf!) would boost ranger nicely.
Still, I love when ppl actually do something and not just “my dmg seems lower than yday, they ninja nerfed me by 9000%!”

Also, thing to remember: there is no auto attack in GW2. It is just another skill, that has no CD and is set on auto cast by default – you can mark any other skill to be “AA”.

Sorry but yes the time to kill would decrease if you used skills on a ranger, but that would mean using 100b on the warrior. I don’t really think you want that in your comparison. It would just make it painfully obvious how far behind rangers are.

To go ahead and preempt the whole “you are just a complaining ranger” my main is actually guardian. You are welcome to check my posts in that forum. My second two would be warrior, and thief. I can’t even bring myself to finish my ranger.

This will probably kitten people off in this forum but to me rangers are just free bags right now. Oh and as a nonzerker guardian my AA will crit for a quarter of your life easily. Not that I care because if you ever get get a chance to AA then you are doing something wrong.

Antares.2586:

Well Guardians could benefit from it because you may want to improve damage through Power, Crit %, but also Condition damage for burning.

In the same time, Guardian have naturally low health, and benefit from healing power as well. Celestial does help in those domains.

The set in probably subpar than berzerker for speedy dungeon runs.
But for WvW, it could be different, on paper a zerker guardian will be more fragile to a celestial one. Only real testing could prove that, of course.

PvE is questionnable. You lose a bit power, but you gain magic find included for free.

Still I can see Celestial armor + Zerker jewels becoming a popular choice among Guardian population.

The reason the zerker will appear more fragile on paper is because the on paper calculations don’t take into account the active abilities of a guardian.

An example for burst

Focus 5(block/burst), then switch to gs, count to 2,
(gs2, then JI,VoJ all roughly at the same time) then gs4/5, gs3(another blind) switch focus 4(blind condi removal regen damage), sword 3(projectile absorb), sword 2 because they are running or dead also causes blind. I activate VoJ, another blind. While I’m doing this I’m also going through my regular attack setup. You can see some of the examples of my damage from those screen shots above. I’m running under 2500 armor, and the reason it’s possible is because we have lots of blinds/blocks/regen built into us.

Sorry about the above. I genuinely tried to give a good “rotation” for a burst, but the reality is after the initiation it all changes based on the fight. So I gave a rough approximation.
Maybe it’s just how I play, and I will admit I’m not that great.

As for burst builds it’s not more effective, at all. At least not for pvp/wvw.

Effective Power 2643.64
Effective Health (EHP) 17175
Damage Reduction 21.37%
Reference Armor 1836

Current setup

vs celestial

Effective Power 2184.78
Effective Health (EHP) 20201
Damage Reduction 25.97%
Reference Armor 1836

This is without traits, or buffs of course. As someone pointed out earlier it could work on some heal/ah builds but for burst builds or even dps it’s a loss. The loss is simply too great.

Right now the ability to kill a target quickly even without using a burst is huge, and our survival doesn’t really rely on toughness. I think toughness is a very over valued stat to be honest. I still aim for a certain amount, but I don’t see it being nearly as effective in the current setup. I usually aim for around 2500 armor, and almost never die to direct damage (outside of 3v1s. As an example running 2480 toughness and more vitality my current kills:deaths is 30:1 rounded it’s more along the lines of 29.7 to 1. I’m going to be doing screen shots to prove this later today because I lack the ability to record)

Give you an example in this screen shot. We were heavily outnumbered, in the enemy camp. So we dealt with greater forces + npcs. What kills a guardian is condition overload, I was safe because of my meditations but it is an example. Tanky stats as far as toughness just don’t provide a good buffer anymore. It seems, to me at least, much more effective to go with a fair bit of vitality over toughness. The celestial only provides around 1500 more health for a big chunk of burst/sustained damage.

Blasino.3128:

Christos de Soufre.3802:

runeblade.7514:

1 Null field to turn all those boons to trash.

Takes some pretty bad Guardians to stand it the field for that long.

But can 10 guardians fit in a null field? I mean with all our bulky armor and awesomeness we take up a lot of space.

Fit? That thing would just rebound over how sexy we all look.

runeblade.7514:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Amins.3710:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

shadowraith.9124:

I do rate shelter and should have mentioned that. However, renewed focus comes at the cost of tome of courage which is our absolute best skill for group support.

I have good survivability with my guardian but that is specced and geared full bunker. A warrior can achieve the same or better survivability (for long enough for a zerg clash to be concluded) while doing twice the damage! (Better damage in equal gear and can get away with having less pvt)

Same survivability You say?
I’m not Warrior spec, but from my fights against warriors using both my ranger and guadian, They don’t seems to.
Maybe nearly no one playing warrior are giving anything to survi and just going berserkers and try to kill everything before dies (or just I meet on the battleground only those)

PS. take guardian support from those zerg clash away and then check if You are still correct

I’m not entirely sure you’re understanding what they’re saying….

They’re claiming both classes spec’d for zerg vs zerg, and you’re talking 1v1 roaming….

I “PS’ed” Zerg clashing Actually I tried to take both situation into my post – first part about 1v1 and some insinuation about zerg clashing without guardians

actually I’m wondering if we take someting like only-guardian zerg vs only-warrior zerg with same amounts of players in both sides who will win

You mean like 10 ah guardians vs 10..well anything really. Perma stability, 25 stacks of might, lol at the amount of aegis/blind spam. Lol I would love to see that.

1 Null field to turn all those boons to trash.

Whoaa…my warrior doesn’t have that =( I want it, I’m willing to trade. You can have..well you can have just about anything.

And to the poster above yeah, a zerg needs both. The thing is though that a zerg could probably do really good with just those two.

EttinTracker.6504:

I noticed that the skins are soul-bound and not account-bound. I guess I messed up by picking a skin for a different profession. Is this really intended or is this a bug?

On your other characters access the achievement tab, then click the item and withdraw.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Lue.6538:

Your entire argument has been based upon a different logical fallacy so that you keep commenting on his is just.. hilarious.

And now you’re here with an ad hominem.

If you feel my argument is unsound, tell me how instead of just blindly accusing me. Thanks! ^.^

Do you realize by using those words you just lost a good portion of the posters here? These are guys that apply arbitrary meanings to anything they desire. How can you honestly expect them to frame a proper argument?

Ignorant people choose to remain ignorant, it’s nothing new. You could even do as I’ve done and provide them with information so that they can educate themselves, but they won’t. So it’s simply better to drop it.

Awe.1096:

I want an armor that takes one year to obtain. Becouse why not? It builds the exclusive status of items. Make that doable in few days and suddenly every single Joe in the hood sports one. It then stops to be shiny and becomes cheap.

Well every joe in the hood that can’t use buildcraft anyway. Are there any builds this will actually be better on than the current setups?

edit:

You still have people who don’t understand the stat cost for % crit damage, and why it’s better to only have it on certain pieces versus others. It’s sad but I partially feel like this is a noob trab unless you have a spec that can make use of all of the stats. Maybe ele or something can, not sure. I know for me I have the recipes, but I will never craft it because it’s too expensive on the stats for the gain.

neiliam.8614:

I’m really displeased with Anet adding “World vs Kite” causing Yak’s Bend invaders to be @-h0|es in the EB Jumping Puzzle cages area right now.

Awww, well if it helps just know that numbers aren’t everything.

In case that first one has you in suspense, guess how it ended? Give up =P

My current kda (well a doesn’t really apply) 30:1. Love Guardian.

Mif.3471:

Want PvP without siege, here you go:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp

Now stop the whinging, it’s getting old.

WvW is PvE with incidental player killing.

Assassin X.8573:

3pm est DH BL, redvale workshop. nice fight there BP. while we couldnt initially cap the camp 20 vs 40+ insta respawns from border WP AND bay WP… we had a fun time farming your bags for a good 5 mins in an open field battle.

you guys sure do have a lot of sup siege @@

And points, we seem to have lots of those =P

To that DH commander that was not cool. Calling in a zeg on a duel is just a waste. I have no problem losing, but to lose like that, come on. I had you. I get that it’s wvw, but you even returned the bow.

edit: As some guys on BP pointed out it probably wasn’t your fault. You had on a tag so it was only a matter of time till a zerg came along. Maybe next time we can finish though.

BTW guys if you see a big charr not attacking you and /bow. It’s o.k. to /bow back and accept, or just walk away. If you aren’t after an objective I don’t care. Just looking for some good fights while in wvw.

Hjorje.9453:

GSSBlunaspike.4153

The thread is about the price of the mini game kit. It is not about GSSBlunaspike.4153 ability to correct people in how they use words in threads on Guild Wars 2 forums.

If people are incapable of using words correctly, then what is a message board even for? We might as well just type random words and hope our intention is conveyed. I do agree with you though, and I’m going to drop it.

It’s kind of a moot point though. The entire argument is bad. It doesn’t matter what people think, Anet will not change the price now. Even if they wanted to, they could not. The people that have already purchased it would all need refunds, etc.. So people might as well get over it, and start ignoring it like they would have in a few days anyway.

Actually, he did use the proper word. Maybe your not as smart as you think you are. The word was the proper word. I myself also think the price is reasonable. As in a fair price for an item. I also agree with your last paragraph there. I think this argument is bad also and at this point it don’t really matter what any of us think about the price of the item, it is set and most likely will never be changed.

First it is “you’re”. Second I included the definition, and the link to the source. I’m not trying to be an kitten , merely pointing out something that annoys me.

Firebaall.5127:

From GW2’s inception, GW1 was meant to have a carry over presence in both lore and tangible rewards.

The measly 2 AP points per tier was a joke. A token tip of the hat, if you will. This increase is more representative of their worth. Don’t come in here and QQ about achievement rebalances. If it bothers you that much, go get your dues in GW1.

Thanks Anet for standing up, and recognizing our GW1 efforts with an appropriate AP reward.

…next on the AP rebalance should be a reworking of WvW. I’d also like to see an increase for equipping legendary weapons. 5 points per, isn’t appropriate.

Have to agree with you. They need to fix the WvW achievements, and the PvP ones while they are at it.

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

Sadly yes it is. Which is silly. If my friends suddenly got a bunch of ap I would be happy for them. I wouldn’t say “well that’s not fair, I want those rewards too”. Simple enough really, go earn them.

Hjorje.9453:

I for one think you are trolling this guy and trying to get a response out of him.

Then you should take the same advice I gave to him. You could always point out how I was wrong though. I don’t mind.

As for the topic, it’s a silly argument. It doesn’t matter how much it costs, because it’s a novelty item. It seems expensive to me, but even if it were only 10 silver I would consider it expensive because it has no value to me. (Coming from a person that purchased the dance book =P)

The thread is about the price of the mini game kit. It is not about GSSBlunaspike.4153 ability to correct people in how they use words in threads on Guild Wars 2 forums.

If people are incapable of using words correctly, then what is a message board even for? We might as well just type random words and hope our intention is conveyed. I do agree with you though, and I’m going to drop it.

It’s kind of a moot point though. The entire argument is bad. It doesn’t matter what people think, Anet will not change the price now. Even if they wanted to, they could not. The people that have already purchased it would all need refunds, etc.. So people might as well get over it, and start ignoring it like they would have in a few days anyway.

spoj.9672:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

spoj
Lol. You do realise you slandered me in your very first post? Im far from angry, im just opinionated and like to get my point across. I enjoy a good arguement. Thanks for bringing me down to your level, was fun.

Please point out that line. If so I apologize, but I don’t think I will hold my breath waiting on justification for the the lie.

Calling people uneducated and being generally rude about it, is insulting. You dont know anything about me.

I don’t see anything rude at all, and you need to educate yourself on the definition of uneducated. I’m still waiting on the quote where I slandered you though.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/educated

spoj
Lol. You do realise you slandered me in your very first post? Im far from angry, im just opinionated and like to get my point across. I enjoy a good arguement. Thanks for bringing me down to your level, was fun.

Please point out that line. If so I apologize, but I don’t think I will hold my breath waiting on justification for the the lie.

100g is perfectly fair.

I would point out why this makes no sense at all, but what is the point? Anyone that would use this phrase doesn’t care about why it makes no sense to begin with.

spoj.9672:

Why are you linking a different word now? Are you mentally challenged? Definition 1c was for the word reasonable… I provided a reason for why i thought the price was fair. That is my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that.

You are just making yourself look like a pompous fool. Why do you think you are better than everyone else? just because you are “well educated”? I am well educated but I dont have the need to go around imposing my superior knowledge on people and insulting them for a difference in opinion. Get a grip.

Getting angry really won’t help. I wrote a response, then a quote came to mind.

Mark Twain
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

and

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

So I’ve decided to just leave it. If you choose not to understand the language you use, that is your choice. Just like buying this item is. It’s Anet’s choice to figure out if they want to charge 100g, 1000g, or 10c for this item. If it’s too much, people will simply not buy it and nothing of value will have been lost. If it’s too cheap then many people will buy it and it loses it’s prestige I suppose. GW2 has much greater problems than either of those right now.

As far as your opinion, I don’t really care about it one way or another. My problem was in with the language you chose to use. It wasn’t applicable, but I’m a fool so instead of leaving it I tried to educate you. If it’s your opinion that 100g is “fair”, that is fine. Everyone has an opinion, but when you type something out at least be careful about how you word that opinion.

spoj.9672:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Wow you are quite special arent you.

By “special” you must mean educated. Yes, but that doesn’t make me “special”, there are many educated people out there. Most share a quality you seem to lack though. When we recognize we made a mistake, we actively try to correct it. We seek out knowledge. You get angry, and offended, when someone points out a mistake you made. An example is my English, it’s atrocious. When someone points out a mistake that I’ve made I don’t get angry though, instead I look at it and try to figure out how I can get better. I’ve given you links to definitions, though I very much doubt you’ve bothered to read them, but you continue to cling to ignorance.

Oh dear….

Anyway reasonable was a perfectly valid word to use. I feel the price is fair due to the ingame economy and the price of other infinite items (definition 1c). It seems you need to take a page out of your own book and educate yourself.

Since you’ve singled out 1c, let’s have a look at it.

Definition of MODERATE
1
a : avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits <a moderate drinker>
b : calm, temperate
2
a : tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension
b : having average or less than average quality : mediocre
3
: professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme
4
: limited in scope or effect
5
: not expensive : reasonable or low in price
6
of a color : of medium lightness and medium chroma

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moderate
Care to pick another one? I know it’s a bit aggravating, but that is your fault.

Must be your server. Tarnished Coast is anything but a ghost town in PvE.

http://us.gw2stuff.com/en/events/tarnished-coast

You mean this one? Yeah, it doesn’t look much better to be honest. I’m not saying anything bad about your server, just pointing out that again so many areas are just empty.

SynfulChaot.3169:

Mathog.3157:

I don’t remember Anet changing the cost of anything that NPCs sell. They won’t this time. Buy it or not. The end.

Ok. I won’t. Nor will tons of others. And a perfectly good mini-game will be ignored more than all the others.

That’s not really new. Outside of LA most of the game is dead already. I’m not saying anything bad about the game, just pointing out that most of it is a ghost town without them charging anything.

Wow you are quite special arent you.

By “special” you must mean educated. Yes, but that doesn’t make me “special”, there are many educated people out there. Most share a quality you seem to lack though. When we recognize we made a mistake, we actively try to correct it. We seek out knowledge. You get angry, and offended, when someone points out a mistake you made. An example is my English, it’s atrocious. When someone points out a mistake that I’ve made I don’t get angry though, instead I look at it and try to figure out how I can get better. I’ve given you links to definitions, though I very much doubt you’ve bothered to read them, but you continue to cling to ignorance.

Uhm im sorry but are you saying pve achievements are something pvp based players want to do? It works both ways buddy. Oh, and once again, these achievements are 20 points, im sure they will be forced to do them because they don’t have 1,000 other pve achievements they could do.

Not at all. I posted earlier that they should include ways for both groups to get the rewards. We did actually get the skins, or at least will. Go check your locker tab.

@GSSBlunaspike Sorry but that quote made you sound more like a smart-kitten then an honest replier. WvW might have PvE aspects but the main focus is Player versus Player which is PvP, go google it you might actually understand it afterwards.

I’m going to post on the assumption you are serious, if I am mistaken then I apologize ahead of time. WvW is not focused on Player versus Player. A server can actually win WvW without ever engaging in PvP. You MUST kill NPCs in order to claim in WvW. Killing players is fun, but that doesn’t actually win. Holding towers,camps, or keeps wins. You break down a door, you kill some NPC guards, followed by killing more npcs. Then you claim something. The PvP aspect is incidental. The entire setup around WvW is that it is PvE with player killing allowed. Now if you and another player agree to a duel that is PvP, but again that is not what WvW is about. You could stand outside SM and win duels all day, but that will not win. In fact in WvW it is sometimes better to completely avoid confrontation with the enemy. Instead it is better to slip past them and take PvE objectives in order to win. It is a PvE objective based game mode with incidental player killing.

Just use the Invisibility that is part of the jumping puzzle. It’s there for a reason.

I don’t usually (ever) use this because I go there looking for fights. Does the invisibility provide you with immunity to cc, or aoe? I honestly have no idea. If it does then that sounds like an excellent alternative, they should consider placing one at the start. If it doesn’t then it’s mostly useless as there are choke points where a decent fear will end that.

spoj.9672:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

spoj.9672:

Its completely reasonable. If 100g is too much for you, dont get the infinite kit.

Here we go again with people using words they don’t know the meaning to.

Definition of REASONABLE
1
a : being in accordance with reason <a reasonable theory>
b : not extreme or excessive <reasonable requests>
c : moderate, fair <a reasonable chance> <a reasonable price>
d : inexpensive
2
a : having the faculty of reason
b : possessing sound judgment <a reasonable man>
— rea·son·abil·i·ty noun
— rea·son·able·ness noun
— rea·son·ably adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reasonable

1 a, 2a, and b are not applicable to the discussion. Leaving only 1b, c, or d that can be applied. In this case, it is not “reasonable” at all. I’m judging this by simply comparing it to other items.

I personally don’t care about the whole minigame. If I want a contest of skill there are other places for that provided, which are free.

Other infinite use items cost far more (mostly because they drop from BLC, but still). If it was 10g everyone would buy them and there would be no point in the smaller kits, 10g is too little. You guys just want everything for nothing.

If you look at the definition you simply used the wrong word. Own up to it, and say “hey, I used the wrong word. Thank you for educating me.” There is nothing wrong with being ignorant.

Pallar.5728:

With the help of another jumping puzzle fanatic guildie, I finally made it to the crow’s nest at the top of the scaffolding.

I love that ANet has made challenges like this available for those of us who are in love with the platforming aspect for GW2. Thanks guys!

Nice, though I will point out the platforming aspect is pretty bad when compared to some games. It isn’t as terrible as some of the more popular mmos though. I wish they would do more with the portal guns, I still keep those around.

spoj.9672:

Its completely reasonable. If 100g is too much for you, dont get the infinite kit.

Here we go again with people using words they don’t know the meaning to.

Definition of REASONABLE
1
a : being in accordance with reason <a reasonable theory>
b : not extreme or excessive <reasonable requests>
c : moderate, fair <a reasonable chance> <a reasonable price>
d : inexpensive
2
a : having the faculty of reason
b : possessing sound judgment <a reasonable man>
— rea·son·abil·i·ty noun
— rea·son·able·ness noun
— rea·son·ably adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reasonable

1 a, 2a, and b are not applicable to the discussion. Leaving only 1b, c, or d that can be applied. In this case, it is not “reasonable” at all. I’m judging this by simply comparing it to other items.

I personally don’t care about the whole minigame. If I want a contest of skill there are other places for that provided, which are free.

10g for an infinite use item is ridiculously cheap lol.

Please, don’t make me break out the dictionary even more.

MinorDetail.9204:
How many patches recently Anet has brought out that catered to the PvP’ers? Really. The fact that the kite achievement is in the Obsidium Sanctum makes it a PvP achievement not a PvE achievement by default.

Um, you are confusing PvP with WvW aren’t you? Essentially every balancing patch is something new for PvP, even if it isn’t for WvW. Please don’t do that, they are significantly different. WvW is PvE with the ability to kill other players. In that case it’s more like pvpve. Aside from that there have been “pvp” activities, even if they were badly designed. Example is the dragon ball, you don’t take a players skills awa in a contest of skill. There is no counter play, no real tactic.

And what you are saying is that Anet chooses what ‘we’ should enjoy, how are you to tell Anet what you should be entitled to when they entended something completely different?

You need to look up what the word entitlement actually means. I see so many of your type using words they don’t understand.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitled

Please learn what a word means before you try using it.

Really

I think that we are more or less dealing with a community that is used to getting everything handed on a silver platter than an actual community who likes a challenge in the game. One achievement is making a worldy impact which is probably 20 points, which is less then completing your monthly? Let the achievement be hard for some people, let it be in OS. Let the people who actually have fun doing OS have a reward in the end instead of just a chest. ^.^

The only challenge in this game is PvP (imo). WvW is not PvP just to be clear.

Making an achievement hard is fine. Making it a part of something they have clearly chosen not to take part in is another. I’m fairly certain you would have the same reaction if it was an actual pvp achievement instead of wvw. Your post reeks of the noobs I talked about earlier. The kind that prey on pve players because they aren’t good enough to compete with the real pvp players.

Jesus, they add more easy ways to get achievement points and to bring some life to the JP and you guys complain about zerg camping? I play engi and have made that JP every time I’ve tried, even when there’s a zerg trying to kill me. Are you trying to say that Engi is OP now? If you can’t complete the JP on your own, get a port or bring friends to help, don’t complain about it on the forums so that Arenanet can please your personal needs.

Are you trying to tell me that engi are weak? Imo the single best condition profession out there is far from weak. Maybe in pve I honestly don’t know, but in pvp I would say you are far far from weak.

Chrispy.5641:

@Cabosoul, I am not sure if you are disagreeing just to disagree, or not, but my point is that the Soutsun cove and Aetherblade puzzles are generally harder than Obsidian Sanctum(for the vast majority of players who are not godly enough to time their jumps perfectly with platforms that appear and disappear every 15 seconds using a system of 3D movement that was probably not built from the ground up for that kind of thing to begin with).

(and I’m also talking about jumping these puzzles without Mesmers, otherwise, the two I mentioned are among the easiest)

Actually I have done both of those multiple time. They are incredibly easy. I will do those for people on my mesmer and port them for free. Why? Because they are just easy for me, like boring easy.

Sactum on the other hand is harder. Maybe not for low tier servers, but once you get higher and both sides start having 24/7 coverage you run into big problems. We are only mid tier and it can be an issue. Right now one server holds two of the home keeps, and they have a nice bunch of gankers just waiting already.

I will be able to do it, mostly because I’m better than those noobs. I still feel incredibly bad for people that aren’t. it makes no sense to me that Anet would put yet another pve achievement in wvw. They are just fools to do this. We don’t want PvE players in WvW, and they don’t want to come there. Sure it sucks that they get rewarded for our hard work, but let them enjoy what they like. Anet needs to stop trying to force the groups together. Some enjoy both (me) awesome, some one or the other. It’s not Anets role to try and tell us what we should enjoy.

What’s remarkable about Anet’s intransigence on this is that not only does it kitten off/annoy about 99% of PvE players, from what’ I’ve read, even a healthy portion of the PvP crowd don’t think this is appropriate.

I don’t know a single good pvp/wvw player that wants them to do this. Would we like a way to earn the achievements IN WVW? Sure, that would be awesome. It won’t happen though. The only people happy about this are the wood league noobs that can only get kills off pve players( see I didn’t say carebears).

CMF.5461:

As the game has progressed, so have the players. At release a lot of people didn’t understand mechanics or other professions very well and all they knew was what was advertised.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I also think that part of the problem is the Guardian bunker isn’t the best anymore. At least in my opinion. There are other professions that can bunker as well, or better, and yet can still maintain kill pressure.

One condition scaling off 25% condi damage. I’m sure if you try hard enough you can make it work. Since necros have burning now though why not just let them handle it? Or engineers

Lord Trejgon.2809:

Amins.3710:

Lord Trejgon.2809:

shadowraith.9124:

I do rate shelter and should have mentioned that. However, renewed focus comes at the cost of tome of courage which is our absolute best skill for group support.

I have good survivability with my guardian but that is specced and geared full bunker. A warrior can achieve the same or better survivability (for long enough for a zerg clash to be concluded) while doing twice the damage! (Better damage in equal gear and can get away with having less pvt)

Same survivability You say?
I’m not Warrior spec, but from my fights against warriors using both my ranger and guadian, They don’t seems to.
Maybe nearly no one playing warrior are giving anything to survi and just going berserkers and try to kill everything before dies (or just I meet on the battleground only those)

PS. take guardian support from those zerg clash away and then check if You are still correct

I’m not entirely sure you’re understanding what they’re saying….

They’re claiming both classes spec’d for zerg vs zerg, and you’re talking 1v1 roaming….

I “PS’ed” Zerg clashing Actually I tried to take both situation into my post – first part about 1v1 and some insinuation about zerg clashing without guardians

actually I’m wondering if we take someting like only-guardian zerg vs only-warrior zerg with same amounts of players in both sides who will win

You mean like 10 ah guardians vs 10..well anything really. Perma stability, 25 stacks of might, lol at the amount of aegis/blind spam. Lol I would love to see that.

Trollmacht.4105:

well i dont think guardian buffs are top priority for anet atm, especially not on RF, you get 5 sec on invul alone from rf and ur heal plus guardian is tanky as kitten anyways.

lol what? I hope this is a troll post. If not you need to learn about the game.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewed_Focus

This reminds me of wood league posts and why it’s always best to just ignore them.

Orangensaft.7139:

compare it to warrior utility skill

guardian skill: renewed focus
- 2 second invulnerable
- 90 seconds cooldown
- you cant attack or use other skills with casttime while using renewed focus…
- it is an elite skill

warrior skill: endure pain
- 4 seconds invulnerable
- only 60 seconds cooldown
- you can still attack and use all other skills while invulnerable
- only a utility skill

i know guardian elite recharges virtues but it is an elite…
shouldnt it have the same cooldown and at least 3 seconds invulnerability without extra trait and the extra effect of recharging virtues because its not just an utility skill like the warrior one?

You are missing the absolute most important aspect of RF. You are immune to CC while channeling it. That is just huge. Sure the refresh is nice, sure the invulnerability is nice. That no cc is great though. It’s saved my life so many times.

Could the skill be better for it’s cd? Sure, but in the end if they allowed us ti fight with it that would be entirely too strong.

It doesn’t block damage from current conditions, but it does stop the application of all incoming conditions. That’s where the immunity to CC comes from.

Esta.9645:

Stooperdale.3560:

If you really like the sword but don’t like stealth you could try a sword/pistol thief with access to smoke, shadowsteps, pistol whip.

If you haven’t played a sword ranger at all yet you should check out the animations. It could put you off the sword for life.

The ranger sword animations really don’t bother me that much. The auto attack is a little annoying, but I can deal with it.

As the other poster said you should consider s/p for thief. I play this sometimes, it can be really fun. It’s also quite powerful in both pvp, and pve. Meaning you don’t have to learn one or the other. It is also entirely dependent on YOUR skill versus your pet’s ai.

Add to that the thief gets so many beneficial skills for the group that ranger doesn’t have access to. Group stealth is very strong. I like rangers, and they are “interesting”, but I just don’t see how they can add up to what a s/d or s/p thief is. Imo s/p or s/d thief is what I thought ranger would be, minus the stealth obviously.

To gives some background out of all professions the only two I don’t have multiple 80s on is my ranger (78, can’t bring myself to finish), and ele (too many skills/traits seem to counter each other. Switch element, oh but you only get certain buffs if you stay in one or the other. Just seems clunky)

Personally I suggest you try thief. Sure they don’t have a pet, but when you can just stealth away from things you don’t need one. Plus with s/p you get a perma smoke field (aoe stealth, blind)

Hell Avenger.7021:

ANet seriously, and you want to have a competitive scene and a league? Just one class, ONE, and still no balanced.

People cannot be caught dead with a warrior in their team in TPVP, and you think this is ok?

Get you act together!

We are not asking to be OP, we just want to have an average chance of winning.

Won’t happen until they completely separate pvp/pve skills. It sucks, but that’s just how it is. If they give warriors the tools they need for pvp they will be stupidly broken in pve. I’m no fan of balancing pvp for the sake of pve, though the opposite is also true. The skills should have been split before launch.

Blasino.3128:

Group Stability is a hell of a drug.

-Rick James

LOL I wish I could vote more than once. That is awesome.

Renewed Focus isn’t a Invulernability skill. You evade all attacks, but if you’ve condition damage on you, you suffer damage. At last, it’s better the 5 of the war shield, because block every attacks and has a lower recharge and can reflect projectiles (trait).
Frequently while I try to survive using Renewed Focus I die ’cause of the conditions before i can use my virtue to clean conditions on me (trait).

At last, war has more invulnerability to damage than a Guardian.
Guardian use the shield to protect ally and knock back enemy, but you can elude it using stability and melee attacks, unblockable attacks or skills to make your attacks unblockable.

p.s. sorry for my bad english

What you are referring to is a distortion/blur effect. The invulnerability from RF is an actual invulnerability. In GW2 that mechanic means you are immune to incoming damage, and incoming conditions. You will however still suffer damage from falling,environment, and existing conditions. There difference is that you will get 2 seconds of being immune to CC while channeling it, where as endure pain gives you no such immunity. To anyone that’s felt the pain of a chain CC that’s what it is most effective for. I would rather have the CC immunity.

As for the conditions, I don’t quite follow. We are guardians, conditions shouldn’t really be that big of an issue. We have a passive condition removal on a trait, a passive on a heal if you take it, the one on the heal can be buffed to two passively. We also have quite a few utilities that allow us to either remove conditions, or convert them. Then if all of that fails we have light fields.

Nespinha.3165:

I have a few questions when going through my WvW builds. I currently run a Tanky DPS (3K attack and armor, 42% crit chance and 70/75% crit damage) in PvE and WvW but….is that the most viable way to play as a Guardian in WvW? Sometimes I have doubts.

1) How much crit chance and damage do your WvW builds usually have?
2) In your opinion, how much crit damage should you have for X value of crit chance?
3) Is it better to drop precision and crit damage (in WvW) and bet more on other stats (ex: more toughness and healing power)?

My personal build is for sw/fc sw/t.

50% crit chance I find it doesn’t help as much if you go over anyway. Fury will sit you at 70% and if you use the right buffs you will be at 75% crit chance. Again it doesn’t add as much as you might think.

I have 88% crit damage

almost 3k armor, and over 15k health. Works good for me, but the build/armor/traits are all tailored to my individual play style.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.2|c.1g.h1b.d.1g.h2|c.1g.h1b.f.1g.h2|1n.a1.1p.a1.1c.a1.1p.a1.1n.a1.1p.a1|1g.61.1c.61.1c.61.1i.61.1i.61.1i.61|0.u6ab.u16c.a0.0|0.0|w.1b.13.15.1i|e

That’s generally it I think. I can’t tell because I have a whole file of different builds and buildcraft is down right now. The runes/sigils are just testing different setups.

There are several people here with videos of different setups, and different builds in wvw/spvp/tpvp. Watch some of them, and if you can’t find them I will post you some links.

Stice.5204:

IBountyHunterI.4601:

Wvw: knights until you hit the DR, then use zerkers

What’s this about “hitting a DR” on toughness?

I thought the damage formula was (weapon damage * power * skill coefficient) / (toughness + armor)

I just checked and that’s the formula listed on the wiki too. There is no mention of diminishing returns or different formulas used at different stat levels.

Using that formula, there is no diminishing return on toughness. Every point will provide the same relative percentage of damage reduction no matter how much or how little you had before. There might be a practical value for each individual player where you feel like you have enough and can focus on other stats, but there isn’t a breakpoint you can just aim to hit.

This is correct, there isn’t a DR the way they are thinking about it. You can set a breakpoint for your individual setup, but that should be based off your damage reduction in relation to your max health.

I’m kind of shocked at how far behind the ranger forums seem to be on theory crafting compared to other forums. Hell I think in the guardian forum everything that can be known is known.

sucks that buildcraft is down (gw2buildcraft.com if anyone doesn’t know). It’s much easier to get an idea about what breakpoint you want using it than the other sites imo.

Dustfinger.9510:

No need to catalog.

http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGallery/index.php?sex=0&weight=2&color=10&race=1

personally, I have no problem with how medium armor looks.

Wow thank you, I actually didn’t even know that site existed. I’ve always gone through piece by piece and looked at it.

Evilek.5690:

Surbrus.6942:

Evilek.5690:

Charr in medium armor looks good

I don’t think you can make a statement as broad as that, and simply be wearing the same armour that everyone else wears. The cultural T3 chest is pretty much the only good medium chest piece for charr, hence why that’s the one that everyone uses.

80% medium armors looks good on Charr =)

80% huh?

I will post again in about an hour after I get done cataloging the armors we have. I just don’t see it being 80%, but only one way to find out.

Oreoginal.1580:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Oreoginal.1580:

Amins.3710:

There are lots of builds out there.

The question is, rather, what role are you playing? Are you leaning towards support or are you leaning towards dps?

Preferably DPS, but I’m looking more towards tank/dps hybrid so basically dps but with good sustain.

Browse some of Amins videos. He’s got some good ones

Where can I find these videos?

His signature, even though I did kill him in one of them =P

Guys it’s hard to report you for cheating when you keep shooting me like that. Btw why is there no exploiting option, there should be.

Oreoginal.1580:

Amins.3710:

There are lots of builds out there.

The question is, rather, what role are you playing? Are you leaning towards support or are you leaning towards dps?

Preferably DPS, but I’m looking more towards tank/dps hybrid so basically dps but with good sustain.

Browse some of Amins videos. He’s got some good ones

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3.2|c.1g.h1b.d.1g.h2|c.1g.h1b.f.1g.h2|1n.7b.1p.7b.1c.7b.1p.7b.1n.7b.1p.7b|1g.61.1c.61.1c.61.1i.61.1i.61.1i.61|0.u6ab.u16c.a0.0|0.0|w.1b.13.15.1i|e

This is pretty much what I used with s/f. It has good defense, 50% crit, good health good armor, on demand condition removal, spike healing and all of the typical goodness of s/f blind/block spam

ignore the runes/sigils I’m in the process of testing new stuff.