Guild Wars 2

Wolfheart.1938:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Wolfheart.1938:

Racial skills are supposed to be weaker then regular skills to avoid forcing specific profession/race combo. I understand your message now, nerf Prayer of Dwayna.

First…tell that to the asura. There is a reason you need to make one of them for certain builds.

I’ll let the Asura know, although it’s not my job as I’m merely stating what Arenanet developers clearly stated in the past. Please don’t make me look for a quote that could be 6 months old

I don’t…someone help me I can’t figure out if this is sarcasm, or if this guy really didn’t understand what I was saying.

Let me put it in another way, because maybe it was my fault.

Sure every race has racial abilities that aren’t supposed to be very important, they are supposed to have a minor impact on the game. That said, actual game play often doesn’t reflect the true value of abilities. For an example I point you to the hidden Asura passive called “camerdoesn’tgofunkyallofthetime”, which basically gives you a much greater navigational ability inside a great many structures. While Charr have a hidden passive called “wtfbbqsaucecamerastopshowingmetheinsideofmyownkitteningskull”. They share this with Norn.

Aside from the hidden passives, there are also actual skill differences in the game. Take for example the asura skill that causes AOE weakness, AND poison. There are others, but I hope you understand what I meant now.

If you don’t understand, my comment wasn’t maliciously aimed at you. It was a joke about the current state of things.

DeathPanel.8362:

Psychol.5783:

A guy from fractals said to me that with good gear I can pump my dmg to 4k without using skills. Is it true? I have rare MF gear now because I thought it’s not a big difference and I have 700-1,6k he was a war but he said guardian will have the same dmg.

You can if you trait for offense with full zerk gear.

Problem is you’re going to be very squishy and low on hp.

Not really. I have over 16k health, close to 3k armor and easily hit that hard. It’s the build/gear/playstyle.

Wolfheart.1938:

Racial skills are supposed to be weaker then regular skills to avoid forcing specific profession/race combo. I understand your message now, nerf Prayer of Dwayna.

First…tell that to the asura. There is a reason you need to make one of them for certain builds.

Second..This whole thread I hope is a troll post. Hell if I wanted to pick a race off racials it would still be Charrdian for more fury. That aside the OP is missing the secondary effects of our heals. That is what makes them so huge. That 2 seconds of block is amazing. About to take 10k damage…block.

Aeolus.3615:

i imagine all Guardian playing with GS+meditations now…

No because the meditation builds are more focused. The guardians that have been owning people with those builds, will simply continue to do so. For the others it would require too much of a shift to switching out for one thing.

In the end this has almost no effect at all. That’s why I posted that above.

Amins.3710:

7/24 New Vid: Defiance

Defiance Build

The core of this build is 20/5/5/25/5.

There are, imo, 10 floater points. I’ve also ran 20/10/5/25/10 and i like that as well when I have more people with me, because the vulnerability is great added grp spike dps.

You could also go 30 in honor for your shouts… but IMO JI + Bane Signet are my static utlities w/ 1 floater…

Dodging
Blinding
Porting
Blocking
~Lemongrass Poultry~ That’s your condition removal.

Those are your tools of survival.

You do have a small dodge heal as a bonus, but not to be relied upon.

The concept is much like a warrior in terms of bursting combo’s.

Hope you enjoy…

Oh, and for you theory crafters… by all means, if you want to take a stab at gear optimization, go for it…

All criticism is welcomed, as always!

I’m glad to see you’ve joined us on the “dark side” of amazing burst =P. Been running similar builds for awhile. Haven’t been able to do much wvw this week though. Hopefully by tomorrow night I can get in there and mix it up with you guys some.

edit:

NM tomorrow is the lcs, and I watch that with gf and some friends so meh. I think I will end up missing this whole weak. That sucks

Wukunlin.8461:

I do think the staff is barely ranged and barely a weapon (the damage is that bad, I only use it for kiting, running, stacking my sigil, and the empower). But I also think you met some spoiled insecure kid playing games past his bedtime. Like the other guy said, don’t let them ruin your day.

Even with mediocre damage think of the utility you just named for the staff. I’m not a huge fan of it, but it’s a great situation weapon. It’s much more a utility weapon, but I guess you would have to consider how bad guardians are at ranged to begin with. Our only other ranged is scepter, and it’s pretty kitten awful.

I’m not really complaining because our melee options are outstanding, so it balances out. I would much rather play a balanced class than an op one just waiting for the nerf.

The Baws.5164:

About this roaming thing, I’ve really taken to it recently, just running around WvW with my Friend and annoying people xD

I’ve found what seems to be a decent Roaming build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2oZjIuKX0) not sure if the forums allows links… so just search ‘Gw2 commando build guardian’ on YouTube if not…

Anyway, this lead me to the question that I’ve been asking myself loads over the last couple of days: Mesmer, Thief or Guardian for WvW Roaming?

I really want to master one of them and gear them up well etc., but I only really have enough time to do that for one of them, never mind my sanity…

All opinions appreciated. Cheers.

As someone that has an 80 thief, mesmer, guardian, warrior the best for ME is Guardian. They roam really well, are great at assassination, tanky by default, can burst down multiple opponents and most of their burst is on a relatively short cd.

Please look at the stunningstyles videos as I’m incapable of recording his are awesome.

The people telling you how bad Guardian is at roaming are having certain problems. To roam/solo/duel you need the right gear/build for it. They are expecting to do it in their zerg setup, and it won’t work. For the others..well that’s a l2p issue.

WereDragon.6083:

I keep seeing the argument. “Evon is a real Pirate” And “Kiel is a good two-shoes” But you gotta remember these two kittens will be in charge of our HOME BASE regardless of pirates or not, do you want a lying, backstabbing merchant setting your prices in Lion’s Arch and making decisions based on “His” Best interest.

Wait just a kitten minute…Lions Arch is taking over fort trinity? Wait, never mind. For a moment there I thought the “personal story” would have some kind of logic.

Still I would rather have someone that can be honest about their evil side over someone that just lies to people to get them to vote her side.

So now that MI works with MF are people going to start running that instead of SYS? 40 second cd, but it has a nice heal gives a great burst of healing with no healing power.

CMF.5461:

I soloed both evon and keil with a support setup 0/15/0/30/25 GS/Staff

I just hung back by the morters in the water and got out to kill the pillagers as they ran back. Letting them run out and get treasure then stopping them with a line of warding before the drop off point eats up a lot of time.

Sometimes I get extra pillagers, and either I have to reset the fight or I can pull it off by ganking them real quick and jumping back in the water or behind some rocks to drop agro.

Fighting smarter, not harder worked for me, and it wasn’t a matter of dps.

As far as screenshots, I finished it..I could screenshot my achievement tab and my build if you REALLY want to see it? But if you are in that much disbelief that someone other than glass cannon can do it then I duno how to help you.

I think you mistake the point of the screen shots. I could care less if someone lies about doing it solo or not. I provide the builds, and screen shots to give information to other people attempting it also. I don’t think this forum exists to call people out on false claims. It exists (imo) to give information to those seeking it. Screen shots provide a sort of “proof” of one builds abilities to do a certain job. If you don’t provide them, that is fine. It matters very little to me one way or another. However for people that might be interested in trying out that build, well a screen shot can do them a world of good.

Do I think it’s possible to solo as a full support? Well I think that is entirely dependent on personal skill. If someone is skilled enough they can make almost anything work. If someone lacks any skill then the best build in the world will not help them.

If you’re going to do Kiel’s, make sure you destroy the tokens afterward.

:)

I’m going to attempt to solo T4 today. I will probably fail.

Nonsense you will one shot it in all likely hood. It’s pretty easy with a variety of the builds I’ve tried so far. The only hard part is where all three plunderers start spawning at once. That’s a bit annoying. Some people get lucky though and it glitches so that only one plunderer spawns. In which case you can almost /afk through it.

Blasino.3128:

I think a majority of us on this forum love our guardians are going to give you a resounding yes.

I believe it is the one profession that has many viable ways to play which in itself is very attractive. If you get tired of one way, instead of rolling another prof just regear and retrait and try a different way.

This is absolutely true. It seems every single other profession has an optimal way to play, and then a “well play it for fun, but that’s it”. With Guardian, and I think this is because of the players/forums, there are many different ways to play. You can be a tank today, tomorrow a dps, the next day a support/dps, or maybe you want to go support/heal. There are many different ways to play.

As others have told you already 4k AA is pretty easy to hit actually. You can get a fair bit higher by using boons. If you include skills other than your AA then it’s ridiculously easy to hit 4k, and you will find yourself hitting 10k+ plus easily on channeled skills.

It comes down to your build, and how well that synergizes with your gear, and then how well both work with your individual play style. Big numbers are great, but if you die before you can get them off then what’s the point? That’s why most guardians run similar builds, but it’s only “similar”. The traits, gear setups, sigils + runes are tailored to each player. It’s why we can post a build showing us doing stupid amounts of damage, and then someone else can use it and not be effective.

darkace.8925:

When doing the trial for each candidate Gnashblade says he wants the loot for himself and Kiel says she wants to return the loot to its owner. Why on earth would anyone want to elect Evon Gnashblade to “serve the people”?

And before anyone answers “Abaddon”, would you really rather have a visual representation of lore you’ve known for eight years over a chance to learn something entirely new about the world of Tyria in the Reactor Meltdown?

Notice how she never says who that rightful owner is. She doesn’t say she wants to return it to the people. No, she obviously considers Lions Arch the “rightful owner”. Evon is just honest about it, where as she wants to use it as some sort of bribe.

I’m voting for evon because he is honest. 400 votes so far from me, yay. He may be a pirate, and a scoundrel, but he is also honest about what he is. She is the same, but she wants to lie about it. I would much rather have a politician in office that is honest about what he wants.

Blissified.8369:

Apparently im a noob because i dont carry a sceptor around, because i like to use staff/greatsword and prefer to melee bosses which i do just fine with, he said wow your a noob you dont use a sceptor, i asked why is that noob?

They told me because sceptor is only ranged weapon guardian has, i then replied with if i need to pull i can use stakitten number 2 orb skill which has 1200 range, then i said i have been playing guardian since beta and i can melee any boss without downing, he then said only a noob uses only melee, i replied by saying melee is way more challenging then ranged how am i the noob?

He then kicked me.

Btw we were doing the trials, i do keep a spare sceptor in my bank if i do need it, but everything ive done so far doesnt require it, if theirs a time i need to be out of range ill just use orb of light on my staff which btw has a reduced cooldown.

This made me so angry, as i was the only one not downing on the last teir of the trials, (one more teir b4 achievement) and they decide to kick me even tho i was pulling more pludneres away with my gs, uses the wall skill on my staff to block plunderers, yet just because i wasnt using a 1200 range (staff is 600) im a noob.

Just solo it. It’s faster, easier, and you don’t have to worry about people messing it up. For some reason when I used staff the plunderers would just walk through my wall.

Take a typical scepter build with signets bane/wrath and signet cd reduction. It’s kind of boring because you end up just waiting for it to end though.

I think what made it so easy for me on t4, when you have 3 plunderers spawning at once, was using signet of wrath + bane signet. Gave me good cc with the scepter. Shield I think would be a good off hand, but I don’t have one so I just kept my focus.

last time was with 20/3010/0/10 using nothing but a scepter. It felt slower than sword/focus but also much safer.

The karka skill is the only reason this game is even fun. I intentionally suicide at the start and go on a karka spree. It’s really fun.

If they removed it I could see people just akitteng through it and jumping every 30 seconds.

, I’ve had one person spawn three of them on me within thirty seconds

It requires 10, the max you can hold is 15. So that means within 30 seconds they spawned one, then gathered 5 more spawned another one, then gathered 10 more and spawned another one. Yeah…I think what actually happened was you made some people angry and they got revenge.

Electro.4173:

So this is a game that’s possible to solo if you abuse the spawns, but next to impossible if you actually try to do it the way its intended (the fact that your award is based on aetherblades killed and not just on gold remaining is a clear indicator that they want you to fight the enemies that spawn, not just the pludnerer’s).

Yah, sounds like a good design to me…

I’m not sure. The two times today I’ve soloed it (for research into builds) I’ve had to deal with 3 spawns of plunderers at once. There are a few times I had to chase one down to kill him, and just tank the vets. As for agro they would chase me off the island.

First ss is of me being chased past the rocks, he didn’t stop till I almost reached the armor repair. Second is of me finishing t4 solo on kiel as I’ve posted ones of me doing gnash in the guardian forums.

I’ve used two different builds to complete this so far as guardian.

I saw someone claim they soloed with one of the support setups, but no one can provide video/screen shots so you all know how that goes.

I’ve now soloed all 4 tiers on both sides using a few different builds. Something feels way different today. I got agro at one point and they chased me all the way to the start

Hemaka.9630:

Soloed tiers 1,2,3,4 using 20/30/20/0/0 build (focusing on scepter dmg, criticals and signet mastery). Used signet of bane and signet of wrath too. Full zerker equipment with ruby orbs.
To be honest it was piece of cake Using only scepter and standing behind left plunderers respawn and immobilizing/killing them just when they’ve showed up. Those guys from right/center spawns were usually killed on their “return to base” route. When some veterans from the center of map have aggroed, I just retreated (or used summon mistfire wolf in final seconds of the round) till they lost interest. And those mortar gunners never turned on me even when I was killing their buddies right in front of them
And scepter’s skill #2 is amazing
Good luck guys!

bane works good, so does shelter.

Redbullz.3472:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

I went with a 0/30/30/5/5 build for the last run where I did all 4.

What traits did you pick exactly, which offhand and utilities (meditations i assume?)? Full Berserker? Thanks for all the information you shared

And why 5 in honor? Virtues “Unscathed Contender” should work even better, no? Or is it too hard to not getting hit when standing at your proposed spot?

Is 20/30/20/0/0 also an option? For that 10% extra scepter damage i would happily drop monk’s focus…

I have not tested soloing yet, but if it works without getting aggroed by the veterans it simply seems to be a range dmg DPS race, isn’t it?

It’s what I run in wvw, and I was honestly too broke to change my traits. Yeah, I’m that broke. =(

You can keep it at range, but I would go in with sword too. There are a variety of ways to do it solo. The general idea is to completely ignore everything except the plunderer and just go after them.

As the guy above said though, yes the boost scepter would have been great. I have enough now to change traits so I’m going to try that setup because it looks really good.

Avalon.8436:

Mortifer.2946:

soloed with full support guardian for both kiel and evon

How did you managed that? Still trying to solo tier 4 as a guardian… =[

Check the thread in the Guardian forum for solo advice. Made one just for this to discuss different builds. You should know ahead of time that the guardians there usually post screen shots of their achievement so that they don’t end up just feeding false information.

Guys stop with the “oh it’s sooo easy” stuff. It’s easy for US to solo. That might be saying more about our level of skill than the content. I’m not saying that I’m the best player in the world, but I too found it easy to solo. Yet I’ve talked to people that no matter what can’t get past t3.

It’s only going to make them feel bad when you say “ohh but it’s soo easy”. There is no need for that at all.

akamon.2769:

lol, don’t do Kiel’s!!!!!11

yea so i read up a bit (since i can’t play, that’s the next best thing), i figured i’d just use my PvE build, which also has RHS and just use scepter. i have Scepter Power traited too so that should help.

do you know how the gold/silver/bronze mechanic works here? i’m assuming the more you kill, the higher “score” you get? although it seems for completing and getting the achievement, you can get by just killing the plunderers.

yeah it’s like 25 for silver, and 40 for gold or something like that. I never really bothered with it since the point is to just get the plunderers. I did on the first two because they are really easy to aoe. After that the vets aren’t too hard, but they cc so much it’s hard to kill the plunderers.

I found the most fun is to suicide after 2 minutes. Then spread the karka love. This is more fun than the actual game by far.

Well I’ve now soloed all four tiers of gnashblades. Going to do kiels next, though I really don’t want to. I don’t like her much.

I went with a 0/30/30/5/5 build for the last run where I did all 4. The addition of rhs made this so much easier because I needed to use a scepter in order to really get the plunderers without agroing everything in creation.

Honestly I feel like this whole thing is really gimmicky, and badly designed. The “chellenge” in groups is based around them having more health. While the challenge in solo is based around “mother of god that’s a metric kitten ton of vets”.

Well add guardian to the professions that can solo all 4 tiers.

akamon.2769:

aww i want to go home and play!!! stuck at work right now. lol.

kitten I’m so sorry man. I can’t wait to hear what you guys come up with though. No doubt you will all have some really interesting builds I can’t wait to try.

Palu.3405:

Just managed to solo T4. I’ll be posting a video once it finishes uploading.

I can’t wait to see this. I wish I my computer was good enough to record.

Aza.2105:

foofad.5162:

In case it wasn’t clear, Monk’s Focus does NOT stack with Merciful Intervention’s heal. MF only works with Smite Condition, Judge’s Intervention, and Contemplation of Purity.

Is this a bug or….?

Probably but it’s been around long enough so that at this point it’s just standard. I run it sometimes because it still has it’s uses in the right setup. Mostly you can ignore it because stand your ground, or save yourselves is better.

Amun Ra.6435:

Guardians are not the best roamers, but perfectly fine in small skirmishes and in zerg v zerg….

Depends on player skill.

Well so far Gnashblade is winning by 100 – 4. Can only speak for my own guild though. Has anyone actually voted for her yet aside from the requirements to get an achievement?

Tarsius.3170:

and just to confirm.

Leap of Faith + Blind Exposure no longer applies 3 stacks of vulnerability multiplied by the number of AoE hits *sniff

( but it does apply 3 stacks per target – max 5 targets )

Inner fire was always better in pvp, it might be better in pve now I don’t know. There are some really good options.

So far I’ve soloed the first three easy enough. T4 looks to give me some trouble.

I’ve done it with my typical 0/30/30/5/5 builds and my 0/15/30/20/5 build. (I say my because it’s setup for my play style). Curious what other people are using to solo it. Yes I know it’s really easy with a group, that’s why I’m doing it solo.

ss of the finish. Only silver, but finished it anyway. Other person (not in the instance) was my gf on her guardian after watching me wvw she made one. So yeah just looking for other people that have soloed, what builds they are using.

edit: Please don’t judge the helm, I got it but the preview wasn’t working right. I thought it would fit him like it does norn. Wow was I mistaken, but hey I earned it so might as well wear it.

Tobbygnome.6793:

Wait you’re meant to do it in a group? I thought it was just solo, ye t1 and t2 are fine.

Yeah t1/2 are easy enough to solo. T3 is a little more difficult but still not hard. T4 is what I’m currently working on soloing. Thinking I might have to actually get better gear =(

First two are easy, burst guardian. Working on the ones after. So far no issues running a mf/burst with gs sw/fc

just soloed 3 also, never got below half health but doing the damage while dealing with the cc sucks.

Hunter.4783:

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Hunter.4783:

Hate to break it to some of you but guardians are free kills whenever i am on my thief and mesmer. I don’t know whether its because guard is my main and i know the class inside and out but in the battlefield the guards pose the least amount of threat for me.

If anything, to a decent thief or mesmer, the guard is more of any annoyance because of the Hammer 5 and GS 5….when and if they land. But forget them standing any chance in trying to kill you. And the funny thing is that even IF a guard gets the upper hand, they don’t have the means to chase and finish someone off, which is where the biggest issue lies IMO and why guards will always be mediocre in WvW

You see, in sPVP guards are great because if you push someone off a point you technically win, but in WvW if you can’t finish someone off than for all intends and purposes, you are worthless. Yes this is getting into 1v1 and 1v2 scenarios but one reason the thief and mes excell is the ability to push their advantage and finish off an opponent, something the guard cannot seem to do. Ofc the the guard is good and stability stomping lowbie warriors….

On my guardian i dread necros the most TBH and if i was inclined to run from soneone, it would be a necro. Thieves i can stalemate, mesmers are a tough nut but i do stand a chance. Necros…its like, kitten

Can I add you, I’m always (when I can) up for some good duels.

Go for it

Cool ty, when I see you on I will send a whisper.

Hunter.4783:

Hate to break it to some of you but guardians are free kills whenever i am on my thief and mesmer. I don’t know whether its because guard is my main and i know the class inside and out but in the battlefield the guards pose the least amount of threat for me.

If anything, to a decent thief or mesmer, the guard is more of any annoyance because of the Hammer 5 and GS 5….when and if they land. But forget them standing any chance in trying to kill you. And the funny thing is that even IF a guard gets the upper hand, they don’t have the means to chase and finish someone off, which is where the biggest issue lies IMO and why guards will always be mediocre in WvW

You see, in sPVP guards are great because if you push someone off a point you technically win, but in WvW if you can’t finish someone off than for all intends and purposes, you are worthless. Yes this is getting into 1v1 and 1v2 scenarios but one reason the thief and mes excell is the ability to push their advantage and finish off an opponent, something the guard cannot seem to do. Ofc the the guard is good and stability stomping lowbie warriors….

On my guardian i dread necros the most TBH and if i was inclined to run from soneone, it would be a necro. Thieves i can stalemate, mesmers are a tough nut but i do stand a chance. Necros…its like, kitten

Can I add you, I’m always (when I can) up for some good duels.

McClueless.1974:

You’ll see meditation zerker builds using JI and MI now to do zerg busts.

Shield of wrath > JI > Smite Comd. > WW or MB > MI right back out

And do that every 50 seconds (40 when traited)?
This is going to get interesting. Especially in tPvP what with such a now amazing escape mechanic!

Good guardians were already doing this for dueling, solo fights etc. This just made them stronger. In zergs I know that people prefer AH but considering our aoe heal now, plus the damage this will make it so I never have to switch out MF.

If you haven’t already you should check out the stunning styles videos. Though you might want to consider trading out zerker helm/chest/legs for something like soldier/knight.

I’m personally running a few things magi (wvw)because I’m trying a new setup. Gets me well over the 75% crit while only dropping me down to around 1900 power before might stacks.

I was already killing AH guardians, this is going to make it even easier.

Silentstorm.7531:

Amins.3710:

Azure.8670:

Guardians are so good thakittens the only class Forum where people dont complain about nerfs and weaknesses. seriously, check the other boards. Mesmers, Thieves, Rangers, Necros, Eles (recently though I dont know why tbh) Engis (which I think are OP but thats another story) all complain and cry. I dont even use my Guardian because I feel like hes just… great lol. I stick with Mesmer Thief and Ranger, but I think Guardian is hands down the best overall class

We don’t complain because we, as guardians, understand that the devs don’t listen….

And when they do, it takes them over 9 months to fix 1 simple issue: Orb Speed.

We don’t complain because complaining is uselessly fallen on deft ears.

/cough mobility
/cough chill/cripple
/cough useless zeal trait line
/cough valor&honor bound
/cough merciful intervention (wait, we have a utility called this?! are you sure?!?!)

^^Awesome poor Zeal I wanna love you. Like the fat girl who got skinny. But I just can’t do it lol…..

Even though I laughed, that is still so mean

Setun.4368:

Guardians are crazy strong in any pvp format, be it spvp or wvw. small group, large group, gvg, or zerg v zerg Guardians have a roll for each type of engagement. My personal playstyle preference is running meditations and being in the middle of the enemy pinning them in place with ring of warding + the immobilizes on hammer and scepter. Hell, you can even solo roam pretty easily as well. Just keep a staff in your backpack (if you don’t use it as your secondary weapon) and you can cross the maps easily. So yes, Guardians can wvw kitten well.

People won’t like hearing this, but I have to say it. The reason that guardians are so viable isn’t something inherit in the class. It’s the players, and the forums where those players congregate. Go look at some of the other forums. Their idea of math is “well this feels good”. Here we have good theory crafting discussions pretty much daily. It also isn’t a constant “QQ buff me nerf everyone else”. We all know the limitations we face, we are also all adult enough (mostly) to know QQing isn’t going to change anything. So for the most part we just figure ways around those limitations.

I tell people in game this plenty, the Guardian forums are the best. These players, and forums, are why guardians are in such a good spot. If the other professions had players/forums (necro is close) as helpful as the Guardian forums I don’t think they would be in such a “bad state” either.

edit: That isn’t to say we don’t have trolls sadly. Guardian is an awesome profession, and it can do lots of little things. Where it shines is that you have the choice to specialize. Do you want to go into support, straight damage, conditions, mitigation, avoidance etc. That’s why I say it’s the forums/players that make it great. They have all theorycrafted out builds for these that let you pick and choose. They also give you the information you need to make an accurate choice.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

Seen em. It works great in 1v1, but 1v3+ when they see you coming or engage you themselves is an entirely different story.

Good AoE damage if you run it with staff in zergs, but if you aren’t careful you end up as just another piece of rally bait. I’m a little biased against zerkers in WvW though. Most active T1 [WvW] players are.

The first picture 4 of us charged into their sup camp. Second picture is a part of that fight, notice the dead bodies.

These pics show the progression of the fight. 4 of us vs their camp, plus them. Btw youd on’t see green arrows, I never have more than 3 stacks of might etc.

I know the pic is a bit old, been spending more time with gf than playing. Still I manage to get a few duels in.

I'm a little biased against zerkers in WvW though. Most active T1 [WvW] players are.

I completely understand this. The idea behind WvW isn’t even based on actually killing players, and while dueling/pvping may be fun it takes spots away from people that could help the team win. I just got so bored with how the system is now. There needs to be more encouragement to actually pvp. I won’t make suggestions about it, there are far better ones on the other forums.

edit again: I wanted to say I appreciate the good discussion. I hope that my posts haven’t come across as being a kitten. That’s not my intent, and I appreciate the other builds here. I personally take advantage of what the Guardian has to offer over other professions. It makes a dps “tank” with amazing damage mitigation, and really good damage avoidance. That’s just so strong.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

The issue is whether you can sustain yourself or not when not getting the drop on people.

Well if you run a zerker meditation build you absolutely can. It’s a different play style though. You are welcome to watch the sunny styles videos.

Silentstorm.7531:

Never had a problem killing anyone ever. Over kill dps can be a problem too. If said dps imbalances you other areas just to do it. Just all about finding that balance and the player preference.

I completely agree with you. Plus it really depends on what you are building for. I will admit that AH in a large zerg can provide more healing than meditations. In solo play AH just can’t match MF/meditation builds for me. I will admit that it’s based on my play style yes. My problem is people that run AH solo. Just my play style I guess

Well not sure why my post about the numbers on MF vs AH got deleted. I’m pretty sure I didn’t break any rules, but I will post it again on the off chance it was a mistake.

At level 80, this trait causes meditation skills to additionally heal you for 1960 + 0.1 * Healing Power

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Monk%27s_Focus

At level 80, the amount healed per boon is 69 + 0.01 * Healing Power

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Altruistic_Healing

Assuming 200 hp it would end up with 1980 vs 71 heal. Smite condition is on a 16 second cd, giving me 123.75 health per second. I will use smite condition almost every cd because of the amount of conditions being thrown around. Still I have 2 meditations that I can use for a spike heal if I need to. The heals are there already. Comparing that to AH I would need to apply almost 2 boons a second to myself to equalize it, and then some of that would be wasted. Don’t get me wrong, over healing might be an issue with both depending on the situation.

edit, more info

I’m sure in a zerg setting AH would give you more personal healing, but I’m not playing a support build. I go in, I kill, and then I get out. If I’m defending it’s the same, I’m alone. The only time I can see AH being better is if you are in a group, but this is also removing the offensive effect of the meditations.

Silentstorm.7531:

So what if you use the sustain AND blind blocks and dodge….Heaven forbid you actually play like a pro lol…….

I would rather kill someone before needing the sustain to be honest.

christthegreat.4931:

I have not looked at the heal build. but I will.

But I’ve just looked at the video, Top 100 Rank NA Berserker Guardian Epic Montage, WOW, this looks amazing.

That’s because it is. You will melt people.

Proteus.6320:

Does everyone forget that having high toughness makes you a magnet? I’ve found the 0/10/30/10/20 stunning styles build to be just as awesome as the 0/15/30/20/5 in PvE in terms of anchoring a team of 4 DPS, allowing them go crazy full out DPS without getting aggro. I can literally take so much punishment that the boss hardly moves and my teams DPS gets to really unload, instead of 5 zerker players juggling aggro, getting downed left and right, etc etc. In PvP the build is downright beastly.

I’m not sure why PVT+support builds get so much negative feedback from the zerker crowd regarding pve – dont you want an anchor to hold aggro who is super tough, so that you can unload your DPS without too much concern? Absolute Resolution + AH is a ton of sustain that doesnt require using dodge rolls to heal, can save them for actually dodging.

I see zerkers being good for a few things, speed runs of dungeons being one of the few. In everything else, they fall over so fast its silly. Specially wvwvw. If I blind/block/dodge a zerkers initial burst, they are in for a world of trouble usually, specially after the retaliation starts going.

Anyways to me the point of going 30 valor isnt for AH, thats just a side benefit. Its for crit damage to pump up dps and toughness to draw aggro to be a better anchor. Having it also reduce direct damage and heal is a side benefit.

Stunningstyles type of play is only for guardians that can use a hack called “dodge”. It’s where you have a key set on your keyboard/mouse that makes you move and avoid all damage.

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Sustain loses it’s value when you can avoid damage. This can happen through blinds/blocks/dodges. If you haven’t learned to do that yet, then yes sustain like AH is great.

Rammie.2843:

I play the tallest possible female Norn, and I only discovered one puzzle that was impossible because of the height. (The one in LA, where you have to drop down the well). In that one, my head hit the ceiling even before jumping, makinging the jump impossible. And in other puzzles there are definitely inconvenient moments, but that is more due to the wonky camera than character models.

And as a non-Asura, the reactor sounds more interesting to me. Then again, I never played GW1, nor am I a lore zealot.

(Vote Kiel)

I’m glad for you but I just can’t seem to do certain things like that. Take the diving part in the aether jumping puzzle. I couldn’t ever see to actually make the jump on my charr. I tried but it kept switching between viewing the sky dome, and the outside of the puzzle to the inside of my own face. I can get to the spot, but without the ability to see anything there isn’t much I can do. I go on my asura, it’s quick easy and done.

I’m frustrated because that just sucks. I want to do these on my charr characters because I enjoy them so much more than my asura. I don’t like how he looks, I don’t like his lore, in general I hate him. I hate feeling like I’m forced to either use him, or use a consumable that makes it so that I can actually see.

Please don’t take my post as me complaining about the difficulty of the puzzles. I actually find them generally very easy. An example is the skipping stones, I completed it in my first shot. Puzzles like the aether though I did finally complete on my charr, but it was only after I did it on my asura and I used the griffon tonic so that I could actually see (the outer part of the air ship, some of the jumps on the pipes).

I can agree it’s the camera angle, but I find it just stupid that the camera angle plays no issues with me when I’m on my asura. I wouldn’t mind if they just let me scale my character down for a jumping puzzle, or put a cheap consumable in so that I could become that size temporarily.

ProphetSword.5427:

Well….maybe you can’t do jumping puzzles…but I don’t need to see your achievement page. I don’t play an Asura (not anymore anyway), and I don’t have any issues doing them.

Honestly, I hope they bring on more jumping puzzles.

Doing the puzzles isn’t the issue. They aren’t hard. It’s that they are designed around camera angles that are better for asura. That’s a bit of the page, I can upload more. Again it’s not the difficulty of the puzzles, it’s this artificial difficulty imposed.

You guys are right in that it isn’t that they are designed for Asura. It’s just that conveniently the camera angle favors a race of their size. It even has holes you jump through on some of them that are roughly the same size as an asura would use. My charr can go through, but yeah then I can only see the inside of my own face.

I’m not sure if they are the most popular race or what, but can we get some things not designed around asura. Yes I have a level 80 asura that I do the jumping puzzles with. It seems stupid though that I can’t go on my favorite characters because of bad design work.

Please stop designing the stuff around everyone playing asura. I get that it’s the idea to create an artificial difficulty to something, but that isn’t difficult it’s just annoying. I can trivialize your difficulty by playing the correct race, or using a consumable. Shouldn’t the difficulty be in the puzzle itself? Apparently not because none of the puzzles are difficult once you play the right race.

Now there is the nonsense with the reactor. There are so many other interesting things that you could create content around. We’ve had tons of this nonsense with the consortium.

If you will continue to create content designed around Asura at least add in a cheap consumable that will turn me into one so I don’t have to switch every time I want to actually do something.

Oh and for those saying “oh blah blah you just can’t do the jumping puzzles”. I will upload screen shots of my achievement page, and me doing the kittenes. Anyone that’s watched me do them can see how easy they are for me. It’s the artificial b/s that is annoying. Don’t make a players choice of race the deciding factor in difficulty.