Guild Wars 2

Wish I wasn’t at work :/ Will start gathering data when I get home! Hope this all works well.

Katze.8904:

Even if the game is close you as a solo player wont make a big difference because half teams got their own tactics and dont care if you draw and ping on the map or try to communicate in team chat.

You weren’t the guy in my match (4 Q) that kept pinging Svanir and getting mad we were not coming were you? Lol jk….but seriously we had that. If we go in at 4, we usually tell the solo player what our plan is and depending on what class just ask him to +1. Always communicate through match and try to get him where we need to be. This being said 95% of that 1 solo player just ignore you and free roam. Then we get kittened and it doesn’t work out. Only about 5% of the SoloQ people we came across actual tried to help as a team and play into our strategy. That is just my experience.

Bump for answer

The game can’t differentiate on whether you left on purpose or not. Therefore, there is no fix. Whether you DC at the start or the end you will receive automatic dishonor and -3 pts on the leader boards (for ranked). No way around it.

Laserbolt.6731:

I’ll be interested to hear the reply.

But I doubt the scoring parameters change once the game has begun.

Interestingly, a leaver and an “virtual AFK” who is running around not participating… are the same thing.

I doubt it too. My hope is to raise awareness of implementing something that doesn’t force a team into an automatic -3 pts because of 1 player (for whatever reason he left). Even if it just re-checks at 30 seconds into match (most leave right away) would help.

BLUna.7928:

For anyone that was in the chat room for the entirety of yesterday it was a lot more than just making fun of players. In general people were being incredibly toxic toward each other to a point where it was almost kittening me off. Everyone knows Twitch chats during large events can be bad, but the only time I have seen Twitch chats get that incredibly toxic toward each other was during other GW2 events. It’s even worse considering some high tier players are the ones instigating it in certain cases. At this point I’m just considering flicking the sub mode switch on during those events.

Correct. It wasn’t just a thing of players taunting the people in the tournaments. It was everyone vs everyone in general. Do the players IN the tournament instigate it a lot, YES. Everyone is at fault, including the players in the tournaments. Tournament players coming into the chat while on death spawn CD to talk trash about other players, doesn’t help matters. As far as him making a mistake and the whole world blowing up on him, that happens to every player. Nobody does or can play perfect 100% of the time. Mistakes happen and you do something dumb once in a while. I say just turn the chat off to everyone and call it a day. People can watch the stream and laugh with their mom and cats at whatever they think is stupid in the match.

I could name the top 2 tournament players that come in and talk trash all tourney, but I am pretty sure everyone knows who they are. Immature/ unprofessional.

And yet another useless thread full of people who don’t read other threads first. ALL “crap” (old Solo Q) maps will be removed on the 16th. We are in between seasons and nothing you do right now matters anyway. Matchmaking is turned off right now until the 16th as well. If you can’t handle a couple weeks of crap, then wait it out 1 more day for all the changes to take place. 100’s of threads made on the same subjects that don’t even matter; because these things you hate are only in place for 2 weeks.

My question is simple. I know that prior to the match “the system” gives each team a win % ratio and based on that a “goal” you must hit to receive points for LB’s. IF someone leaves the team, looses internet connection, or whatever reason; and leaves a team 4v5, will the system adjust their % chance of winning? Example below.

Team 1 (5 players) 80%-100% chance to win (Must win for points).
Team 2 (5 players) 0-19% chance of win (Must score 200 points for +pts)

5 seconds into round a player on Team 1 leaves the match (4v5). Are both teams “goals” to get positive points adjusted? The % chance of win should be flip flopped at this point and requirements adjusted? I know you punish the deserter, but technically looks like the whole team just gets punished too.

I know someone could leave in the last minute or so (and then nothing should be adjusted). Couldn’t there be something in place, at say the 2 minute mark for the system to look at the teams and if it is a 4v5, readjust the ratios and %’s? After the 2 minute mark (or whatever is set) nothing will be adjusted?

Maybe there already is something like this that I am not aware of, but if it could be clarified or worked on? I think there should be an adjustment in place to try to not force the “was going to win” team into an automatic -3 point loss, because of 1 deserter.

Thanks

Yes it will. This should solve MOST the 4v5’s, but you will still have them. Someone won’t care, or maybe they lost internet connection and will still be there once in a while.

If you get into the match and decide “Oh I wanna play my guard” and log out, BOOM -3 points for desertion. All decisions on class choice need to be made prior to Q’ing. As for scoring 0 personal points in the match, you will not get credit and loose points even if you team wins (It has ALWAYS been this way). You need a personal score of at least 1 point or it basically looks like you AFK’ed in base the whole match and won’t reward you. Simple as that. Fair and to the point.

Justin ODell.9517:

uberkingkong.8041:

But the community must like seeing less information so it got removed.

We removed seeing other player’s rank to prevent harassment and the shaming of new players.

We don’t show MMR for the same reason.

No need to show MMR honestly. Since the stats are already in the system, at the END of the match display “+1, -2” you had a 20-30% chance of winning….or something of that nature. So we can see if we went up or down and what our chances were. The % there to show, Ok your team played better than expected, good job; or you team could have played better.

Ya, I would say just pure unlucky. Whether or not he is greatly skilled, you eventually either carry your team or get carried for a win. 17 games in a row is a LOT. You realize that almost 5 hours of game play? Dedicated to wiggle your way out. Every player you add to your party will help out the uneven odds greatly. That is if you have freinds that are decent as well.

Ye, They could have fixed it to just push you into the match no matter where you were. If you log out and join another character he is loaded into the match even if he is not in HoTM. Can just lock the account in and there would’t be that problem.

Hello Dawes! I was just about to put an add out for a Warrior when I saw this. If you are interested I would like to bring you in and see how things go. We currently have, full time Engi, 2 Ele, & Necro. Was looking for a Cele shout warrior or a really good Guard. Our current Warrior we have is unable to play as much anymore and is not on that often. If you want to join up with us for some matches go ahead and add me (I will do the same). At the very least we could bring you in for some PvP when someone isn’t on Talk to you later!

TheBlackLeech.9360:

In my entire history of spvp, I have never once been able to Q up, enter hotjoin and complete a match before the Q popped.

Dueling on the other hand (while waiting for a Q pop) was definitely a thing… and while its sort of disappointing that it is not possible anymore….. nothing was really lost besides meaningless horseplay.

While this is true, you could’t finish a match before the Q popped; I did it just for practice. I might have just been trying out some different things in hotjoin (since it doesn’t count for anything anyway). Dueling. as there are many threads on this already would be good to have while you wait. Since there is dishonor I say let us out into the world while waiting on Ques. If they don’t accept then everyone else gets pushed back into Q. Some people are caught in loading screens and that is why they don’t accept; well that is their problem and if they know they might get dishonor they should be loading in an out of maps. Get to where u wanna be, Q up and don’t go anywhere. It is THEIR problem is they get dishonor due to this and the rest of us shouldn’t be shackled down.

I personally like to wander and buy stuff from vendors or whatever while I wait. Or slowly make my way somewhere in between matches to get something done. I don’t have a loading issue, but if I did, It would be ME taking the risk; and ME getting punished.

Acgsev.6931:

rainbow rabbit,

SOLD. No other finisher needed.

Mmmmm, give it a bit and the Dev will come in here and say they are doing that by giving players mini Llama’s and Glorious gear lol. Mini Llama is top notch prize ey?

Agree. Add in reward track progress. PvPers have no boosts. Even though this wouldn’t be much of a booster since you only get them on your birthdays, I think it would be great to be able to use them.

Benjamin.8237:

Chase.8415:

Because all it does is cause more problems, people will expect exclusive finishers and all it does is basically undo what they fixed months ago where it would take years to get a certain finisher.

But we need an endgame pvp reward and hopefully they achieve that with the new seasons. There should be a finisher/title or something that you can only get if you’re the top 5% of PvP population or something.

End game PvP reward… Win WTS for the Benjamin’s. This isn’t Call of Doody, we don’t want prestige. As stated, it will bring in more QQ for better finishers and crap like that.

Just another way they are securing their PvP fan base for the future. Schedule an event to a long sold out venue. Still have received no updates, pics or vids for the last WTS…..

This thread just needs to die already. I came in at the beginning and ended up actually helping another “Replier”. If he can’t take what we have given him to improve, there is no help. I also am still not sure this whole thing isn’t a troll maneuver. Guess I just won’t come back into here

The Gates Assassin.9827:

Most of the matches I’ve had on courtyard have had huge comebacks…until this 5 minute timer started. This timer basically says whoever wins the first fight wins the entire game.

Exactly…I was down 150-475 with pug group against 4 premade 1 pug. Quick pep talk between us and I was mid air stomp 475-475 when they got the stomp first. No comeback possible now. If you get wiped, you had better wipe them the next time out; because after that you only have 1-2 min left to decide the winner. Timer jacked all. 10 minutes would be fine if it MUST be reduced. The 5 min timer also throws everyone into a scramble because they know they have no time at all.

Solstice.1097:

if the other people don’t disappear it would be impossible to fight a stealth class in a crowd. also it would be way more intense if everyone fades away but your opponent, the music gets heavy, and the menu lights on fire.

Intense I understand that aspect of the crowd, but you can always just type “Come over here” and move away from the crowd before clicking accept. There isn’t hundreds of people standing around all over the place It just sounded like that would make the process a lot harder for Anet to implement and they we will look at 6 months to a year before we see anything.

Maybe they can add it in soon and work on the “disappearing crowd” action, to patch in later.

Solstice.1097:

In short – hoelbrak builds up stacks quicker, but strength builds up to a higher total number of stacks.

Got ya. Guess that makes sense.

Solstice.1097:

i’d LOVE to see dueling as an option across the game

you can challenge anyone to a duel. the animation would be slapping their face with a white glove

if they accept, the other toons on your game disappear temporarily and a timer counts down from 5, and you fight for 30 seconds. whoever dies or has less health after 30 seconds loses.

The other people in the map can see you 2 dueling, but you can’t see them. They can watch if they want.

You could maybe even bet in-game currency or items on the duel.

IT WOULD BE SO kitten!

You could also use 2-3 mouse clicks to block all dueling invitations.

In WvW or a PvP match you cannot duel an ally. Nor in a dungeon or mission.

You cannot bet on gold or items if you are in queue for WvW or PvP, nor can you queue for those while you’re in a duel.

The possibilities are endless!

oh, and while you have the “dueling” buff, the heals/boons/etc of other players do not affect you or your enemy.

YES. Maybe not make everyone else disappear, as that could be complicated( if not cool). Just simple option on right click of the player, popup window for accept or decline and a 10 sec countdown. I believe it was like that in WoW or something like that.

As he stated, a simple options menu check box for [ ] Do not receive duel challenges. Then a message could pop up on challengers screen (Player is not accepting duels at this time), or something. That way they know and don’t keep trying to spam it, thinking it’s glitched.

World wide option. Fun option for everyone and not just in PvP. Make it automatically turn off when entered in a personal instance, dungeon or PvP match.

Has anyone intensely tested the 2 runes against each other? Strength gives 15% longer time but the 25% chance on hit to gain might for 5 sec (CD 5 sec) is weaker than Hoelbrak’s 25% chance on hit to gain might for 10 sec (CD 5 sec). if you ignore all the other might duration’s since they are the same for both, it makes the 5 sec duration 5.75. So you have .75 seconds longer for that 25% chance to proc to keep that bonus going. Where as Hoelbrak you have 5 whole seconds to get a 25% chance (basically WILL happen) if getting hit on.

Looking at the stats this way, I (not an ele) use Strength for the bonus damage vs the condition reduction; because the rest seemed to just even out.

I could be wrong on this (as I have not tested), but my question is if anyone has. A lot of allegations saying the might part is more OP on strength; but (if getting beat on) I would think it easier to stack and keep might up with Hoelbrak?? No?

This right here. I would love that. Would be a great learning tool for newer players as well; to be able to see what went wrong, how they got countered and watch someone else fight the same guy to see what they did. I think all in all it would be an awesome feature. Just display the option to save the data (that can go away after 5 minutes or upon entering a new match).

1 min could sound more reasonable. The questions are getting answered fast and If there is “less chatter” in chat I guess it would still be there for them to see. Maybe it is longer sometimes as well (as stated 5 minutes yesterday). It just seems odd to me when watching Jebro and ChroNick shout cast the events that they were answering questions. Made it look like there was no delay at all. Was just wondering, that’s all. Ty

Alrighty, I will be home in a couple hours and probably play for the rest of the night. I will catch you on then and we can have a go at things. I will get ya the TS info then and we can chat.

Silentshoes.1805:

Your logic about 3 in a group seems sound to me.

Ya, those numbers are just from my personal experiences. I am sure some have had worse or better ones than me and the #‘s vary a bit. Since none of this is really counting until the 16th, I just decided to mess around with it all. Wanted to be able to help give solid feedback to the devs for improvement. Also to know what I am in for once the reset happens. So far, I will definitely not be Solo Q’ing lol.

Silentshoes.1805:

Just being in a group of two really seems to help matches.

I am personally trying to collect the names of all the people on this forum who seem mature and smart about playing the game. When I am in HOM I will look for them and ask to team up. It’ll be a “virtual team”, not always the same people…that takes too much weekly organization for my schedule.

But if I have 25 people I can ask to group, I am HOPING it will be better than solo.

I feel the same way. 2 makes a difference but still screws you most of the time. 3 is a better number if you don’t have a full team. I have found if Q’ing solo, it is hit or miss. If you Q with 2, you have a 65% chance to get stuck with 3 semi newbies, why? Cuz your 2 higher MMR’s vs their 3 lower MMR’s make a pretty good average MMR for the team and you get screwed. If you go in with 3 it seems 85% chance to give you 2 people that are a hell of a lot closer to your MMR since you already hold the majority of the teams average MMR. That has just been my experience as of late, when messing around trying to figure out how the system thinks.

So maybe some of the game were….not all are…..That is a guarantee…Nick and Jebro constantly answer questions as they are asked or laugh at comments made in chat. Happening while controlling camera angles and talking about it live. In that case…there is no delay. Maybe sometimes they throw it on there but not always.

Ya and who told you that? Not true. The streams and the tournaments start at the same exact time. Also when one of them got downed yesterday he instantly jumped into twitch chat to blame it on the other guy that was downed right after him..(not mentioning any names). The chat was as it was happening mid game. I highly doubt there is any delay at all. This happens as well when the Dev’s stream WvW tournaments and kittened off the Servers getting streamed because everyone else knew where their zerg was non stop.

If there was a delay then how come some of the Shoutcasters answer chat questions right when they are asked. Wouldn’t be possible if there was a delay. Chat is instant and if a delay was happening with the “Live stream”, the questions would be loooong off the screen before they say anything.

NeXeD.3042:

Pretty sure what you are all talking about exists in every major sport. Just because you can’t take the trash talk or you deem yourself too “good” for it doesn’t make it any less entertaining…. I play this game for entertainment not to feel good about myself morally.

IT does exist…but they trash talk each other off the public stage. You don’t see football rivals during their post game interview completely trash talk the other team. They say stuff like " You know, this was a big game for us because they are our rivals. We tried hard but got outplayed today and we will practice more and come back to try to win the next one" Interview over. None of this F you and your mom; you are complete trash etc etc etc…Immature. Not saying don’t trash talk each other…Just doesn’t need to be displayed in such an openly public immature fashion.

I just don’t understand why you allow the players in the tournaments to watch your live stream of the games. You might as well give the players in game hax that they can just see through everything, to know where the enemy is at all times. You want this to be competitive, yet you allow them to watch and listen to your stream while they are playing in the match themselves? Shout caster “O Eggs has snuck around and is making his way for a back cap”….20 seconds later…“OH wow, Noscoc is intercepting him; he is so lucky he happen to notice O Eggs”. Or maybe they are ALL WATCHING the stream while playing and can see and hear everything you are saying. No element of suprise for any team because they all know where the enemy is. Hell, they are even chatting in the Twitch chat box during the matches. Can you find a way to make them not have access to any of that crap while playing? Just seems stupid.

Thanks

The Drama twitter is all in fun and amusing. As for what you all are saying about the rivalries…It’s gone far beyond that. Rivalries are always there in the real world as well. To openly and publicly put other players down as they ALL do to each other is very immature and unprofessional. Don’t call your self professional gamers until you act like it. My 12 year old niece is more mature than most of them. Is it that hard to be respectful to them for the public even though you are rivals? Just ridiculous. Putting a bad name into the high lvl PvP scene and you wonder why it isn’t taken seriously.

Narkodx.1472:

BINGO

Without might stacking celestial does no damage – especially in the d/d elementalist build that is completely concentrated on defensive/bunker traitlines

I’ve tried celestial Necro/Ranger while the sustain is nice you do not kill anything because you rarely stack 10+ might stacks

You put a Cele amulet on a Necro? Lol? Also not sure what you were doing, but my necro always has 10+ stacks of might.

I will hit you up in game when I get home. You can join us tonight and see how it works out. We had nothing planned solid for tonight but there should be at least 3 of us on if not our 4th. Been looking for a solid engi that knows what they are doing. See how our synergy works with you and go from there Glad to have you aboard if wish.

How many games have you played?
Rank in game?
How many on Engi?

Lupanic.6502:

Ostricheggs does not play for the Abjured anymore?

Nope. You will see them in an hour!

Totally following.

I do know what you said. You just are not thinking of the repercussions of allowing this; or looking at it from an Anet perspective like Anet will…. GW2 is cheap and then free.. No reason to make it all free. It would not go over well.

There is a time stamp on the edit…READ THE STAMP. It was edited 2 seconds after I posted it and long before you replied.

Flumek.9043:

Ghost, im losing my trust in reasoning with you.

The game is already snowbally by itself.
There were a lot of discussions in last 2y about necros and one of the always brought up problems was the zero LF on respawn , bassicaly making it a game over if you need a comeback. The only then, was that poeple sad:
" meh, but you can get 20% on first spawn. And that 20% IS JUST FINE"

Everyone even all other classes and players agreed – A ZERO LF NECRO IS UNBALANCEDLY WEAK.

Now, that this scenario has become a fixed reality, this problem should not be avoided any longer and thats why poeple complain about it.

You don’t loose your LF when you re-spawn…..what game are you playing? Do you even Necro?

Your statement." A zero LF Necro is unbalanced"….guess it’s a good thing they made 80% of our skills give us LF.

As I stated before….20% is cool. I am a Necro..Why wouldn’t I want it, but it is not how they meant it to be and it got fixed. Nothing you can do. Oh? The entire Necro community said it was fair so they are correct. No. They just liked it. Doesn’t make it correct. I am sure if Warriors got 20% of their might stacks rolling into the first match without having to use any spell to get it, the Warrior community would say it is fair, correct and kitten when they lost it.

The WHOLE REASON your utilities and everything gets reset when the counter starts is to make it fair (everyone starts fresh). Fresh includes no LF. You can still have the kitten LF if you want it after counter starts… Lets do the math.. Countdown starts >Pop Wurm and tele> CD starts (40 sec)> 10 seconds later you can leave base (30 sec on CD)> 20 sec to run to a point (10 seconds on CD). 10 SECONDS you have to wait. That’s it….10…only 10.

You probably didn’t even use Wurn. You probably just got the LF then changed out the Util once match counter started.

EVERY class complains when they get nerfed….EVERY SINGLE ONE. Nothing makes a difference. Complaining on the forums gets you nothing. Every class will have nerfs and fixes. Deal with it…Adapt..Complaining will get you nothing but ridicule.

Simon.3794:

butch.8136:

^ Would kill pvp honestly. The amount of toxicity, trolling, abuse, etc would be out of control.

I wouldn’t say that, Dota2 and LoL are both free to play.

A game does not make itself a esport, the community makes a game a esport.

bigger community’s pros will definitely out shine cons by so many levels.

Ohhhhh hellll nawww! This is even worse of an idea. You do realize that GW2 and those other games are nothing alike. F2P as they may be, you still have to work for your gear and stuff or P2P to get it faster. GW2 requires NOTHING to be able to PvP besides being lvl 2. So you are either 1: Asking Anet to let in potentially millions of players that will spend $0 and time just to PvP? or 2: Changing GW2 PvP into a 80 only “must have gear” thing; so that these newly flooded trolls would have to spend time and or $$ to play. Neither of which is a good idea or will ever happen.

Elegant Avenger.8042:

It worked just fine in Guild Wars 1 so don’t tell me it would never work.

First of all….re-read my post. I did talk about your “Roster”. Unless you reward only the top 5 teams or something, there will be selling. There is always extra spots open (as I stated in my post while talking about your “Roster” that you ignored).

Second of all…This did not work in GW1 as there was a TON of spot selling, and as the devs stated a few months ago; it is the MAIN reason that they will never entertain this idea again. It defeats the purpose of trying to reward only those who actually worked for it.

So don’t rank or reward Solo players that this is all they do in game and work their butt off? Not everyone wants to be on a team. Also this has been suggested and shot down, never to return. Players would sell guild spots to the highest bidder just so they can make some cash. People pay high end to get those exclusive rewards that they didn’t actually work for and therefore diluting the whole system. You could just as easily sell “Guild Roster” spots. Can’t have a roster with only 5 people because every team needs subs. This would never work in any way, shape or form. You want team rewards? Play/ win tournaments. That is why they are there. Then your name goes onto an exclusive in game PvP Champion board for recognition. Then take the REAL cash and buy gems for anything in game you want..

Since when do you have to pay to play? This isn’t WoW….

Hmmmm…. Interesting! Or just slap it in the top middle under the team points or something?

Ya…that seems pretty accurate during the weekdays.

Ya, seems a bit tricky to track down. The reason is, the system still thinks you are still in Q when you are not. It also seems to happen random (Twice for me) for people. If it was every match for everyone it would probably be a hell of a lot easier to find the problem.