Just re-que…..If they re-que as well you will be instantly paired together again because the system already found you as a match. This has happened to me many times and only twice have I had to wait more than 30-60 seconds (time it took other team to re-que) for it to repop. If the other team doesn’t re-Q, then yes you might be waiting.
You are angry the system made you Q again….maybe it should have just pushed you in 4v5. I guess that isn’t what they are trying to prevent with all this. We can just go back to 4v5 so you are happy that you don’t get pushed back into Q when someone isn’t ready. Makes sense.
…………………You have to win. That will give you +1, no more no less. 500 is win…..therefore raising your teams % against 5 pugs does nothing. You are making no sense. A team already has to win vs a pug and therefore score 500 points. You want their % to be raised so they have to score more points? A win is the highest performance in terms of points. Have a dev correct me if I am wrong but a pug will NEVER have a higher % chance of winning than a pre made team. That makes the pugs have to try to perform better to gain points…not the team. All the team has to do is win, and if they don’t, they lose points.
It can raise or lower it. It will put together a whole teams average MMR against the next closest teams average MMR (try to). Therefore if your MMR is say, 200 and the rest of your party is all 400; your teams MMR in Q will be 360. It will try to find another team as close to 360 as possible; but in the end place you with an available team. So, yes YOU will be fighting players with higher MMR than yours and they could be fighting players with slightly lower MMR. Other team could have someone like 100 MMR and the rest 450, or every player on the other team could be around 360 individually. It is always different and always will depend.
Just remember, in the end if there is only 1 team available, then that is what they will stick you with regardless of MMR. At that point, your chances of winning can be low and you would only need to score 200, 300 or 400 points to gain +pts (depends on odds).
There is no sportsmanship in this game. I played 25 practice games today and not one was nearly fair. Most of the time it ended up in 3v5 or something like that and no one from the other team wanted to switch sides.
In practice the people don’t care about pvp, they care about winning and having “stats”.
spvp is in a really bad shape at the moment.
Practice mode doesn’t award “stats” that mean anything. People go in there to PRACTICE. If I got my build figured out I will leave. No need to stay for the end of match because it doesn’t matter; it is PRACTICE mode.
Another reason they did it is to stop boosting. I remember after a week or two players were already rank 80. Teams running around in circles for hours racking up glory for decaps/ caps just trading points all day. That is why they put a set amount for win / loss and you can earn a little extra for being in a “top player” category, but only a set amount. So playing hard in all aspects could net extra points vs getting 5 pts and then doing nothing.
I’m very very inexperienced in that section of the game, but in my first foray back into it after ages, the top of the list of joinable games was full of “RANK FARMING, RED WIN, NO PET, ONLY SWAP MID”. So i don’t think the behaviour has quite gone away.
WTF are you actually talking about? You get a set amount of points for a loss or win. There is no rank point (glory) farming. You get nothing out of swapping points….in the end it’s either win 1500 or lose and get less. If there is an arena that “farms rank” then it will still take them just as long as someone playing a normal match. Same points awarded to everyone on a win or a loss.
1.) Ranger – Able to evade indefinitely while attacking with pet, plenty of “I screwed up buttons.” The easiest class in the game.
2.) Necromancer – Highest effective HP in the game, lots of “I screwed up buttons,” easy to land important things such as boon stripping and chain CC
3.) Guardian – Able to Block and Blind while attacking. DPS is very easy to land.
4.) Elementalist – Too many “I screwed up buttons” and mobility in some builds, too much sustain and skills are very easy to land.
I’m not saying those classes are broken, I’m just saying they are easy and forgiving. Those four are the most beginner friendly classes in the game.
Mesmer is also easy once you understand how to count dodges. Not as easy as those four braindead classes above though. You could wait until Berserker Meta comes back again and you’ll see why Mesmer can be easy. Just not as much as those four that I mentioned.
Don’t bother with Warrior if you have a hard time landing important skills such as Earthshaker or Pin Down. Don’t bother with Thief if you have zero reaction time in dodging burst. Turret Engi is braindead but don’t bother with Engi builds that take skill if you can’t skill shot for jack.
Classes for when you are actually good at the game: Warrior, Engi, Thief, and maybe non-cheesy high risk high reward power Necro specs.
Gotta be troll. You can’t list Necro as the 2nd easiest to play. That is a joke. A MM necro maybe but they are still played wrong by 95% of people that use them and are trash. Necro has the least amount of “I screwed up buttons” (as you put it) in the game. Warrior being “for when you are good” ? Lol? Probably the easiest class to play.
I also like to use celestial amulet with Frenzy, Haste, and Quickness Elixir.
Amirite?
Engineers tend to have too much CC. If half of their CC was removed (including rifle) the meta would be much more balanced imo. Kits give engineers too many options compared to other classes who only have 2 weapons to switch between.
Ya take away the rifle. We could just give them a stick to swing? Stick AA : Swing weapon, 5 damage : 2nd swing, 10 damage but adds 2 stacks of annoyance. I think this thread is heading in the right direction.
Most go into unranked to practice. Some go into practice. Some high level players go in to get their daily on a class they may have never played. I jump in hotjoins for the dailies myself and yes..you will get spiked by a high lvl player. No, it will not be on a class I know how to play well and that is the reason I go in there. I have never played ranger but needed daily. So I made a ranger and went into hotjoin.
I say we make 1 map with all the mechanics of each. Buffs, treb, lord + mini bosses. Slap it at 800 points to win and call it a day. LET THE “Battle for the Forest Temple of Foefire” BEGIN! Would make for some interesting strategies and game play
Ya that is cute. Too bad your post was posted while I was typing (at worked so stopped for a few min to answer the phone). Yes, each world would have different zerg styles. My world, the back is the front. You push as one to the back and turn around and come back (or through middle). The tail isn’t long enough to have “outsiders”. The only way there are outsiders would be if someone is new and has no idea what they are doing and then they die “outside”. You target and Aoe as you push as a unit. Everyone gets heals because you are in the zerg. Zerg battles don’t last more than 60 seconds. Either we wipe 60-100 of them or we wipe. there is no “little” battles around the zerg. If a little group peels off we turn and plow them over because they aren’t getting the heals form their zerg. Guess it all different wherever you are, but there is no side or back fighting. We are one and that is how you survive.
WvW isn’t the place to pick up the basics. You pick up bad habits from WvW. I know this because that’s where I played for the majority of time before transitioning into spvp.
sPvP and WvW are really different beasts under the hood. WvW is super power creepy.
If heartless is dedicated to becoming a better player he needs to understand making a crap ton of mistakes and learning from those mistakes is how every one does it. It’s like every game or activity in life you’re not good at, it requires time and practice.
Correct. In WvW you are basically just taking a ton of AOE damage and can’t see who or what is casting anything. This is ZERO help in sPvP. He has to play in sPvP learn what enemy spells look like and which ones he needs to dodge/ counter. He is new and therefore goes into PvP with an average MMR as a less than average player. His MMR will smooth out as he looses and will then be pitted against players of his skill lvl. This will require him to keep playing and keep loosing. Along the road to “smoother” matchmaking he should be learning what he did wrong, what they did to him, and how he can counter it. Wvw won’t teach him how to learn enemy spells or counter them. All it will teach his is how to avoid AOE and press his invul button and throw aoe himself.
The short of it is that Celestial overshadows Mesmer. The way I like to put it is, Mesmer can win, but realistically it’s too hard (because of the coordination and support the Mesmer needs from its team) and statistically not in the Mesmer’s favor given meta comps.
It takes a lot of time to develop the synergy needed to pull of a Mesmer comp right now. Even TCG who has been playing together and dominating for so long couldn’t pull through, albeit they were slightly out of practice. Point is, success on Mesmer right now is not realistic for the average player or even many top players.
If PvP is something your serious about learning. I reccomend starting in the WvW zergs. If you fight on the outskirts of the zerg youl often get thust into quick 1-2v1-2 situations Itl teach you situational awareness as youl need to keep an eye on the murderball to know where you need to move. Youl also be able to learn the class mechanics of certain classes and there weaknesses as zerg fights tend to be over at the same speed as a 4v4 on mid. This is due to people casting there abilities very quickly in an attempt to quickly overwhelm the group.
This is horrible advice.
If you want to learn how to pvp correctly then spvp is the place to do it.
+1. WvW is completely different than sPvP. Look what happened to the WvW team that joined a sPvP tournament this weekend. They got curb stomped and they been WvW’ing for couple years now. Completely different game………..
LOL so this is why mesmers almost never get a nerf. The devs play mainly mesmer. People QQing about celestial ele/engi while mesmer running around doing insane op spike dmg and spaming imunes and blinks
High risk, high reward potential. Mesmers are also very squishy in the builds you are talking about..easily 2 shot by my necro It’s like fighting a thief with more cuddly friends around. I will get my pie up when I get home Can’t go wrong with more pie’s…cmon peeps!
Another reason they did it is to stop boosting. I remember after a week or two players were already rank 80. Teams running around in circles for hours racking up glory for decaps/ caps just trading points all day. That is why they put a set amount for win / loss and you can earn a little extra for being in a “top player” category, but only a set amount. So playing hard in all aspects could net extra points vs getting 5 pts and then doing nothing.
Sounds like he was playing on Temple of Foefire Sounds like 2 separate maps you are talking about and not the same. was it 2 separate matches? One after another? Sure a PLAYER could hack in sPvP (seen it there and in WvW). Could they hack to change the points/ score in the game? No.
No one said they are always on point. If they are defending a point …yes they will be on point. If you catch him in the road, they may drop some there but then have nothing when/ if they reach point. This thread is about tureteers, not about cele engi or triple kit condi’s. He is asking about how to deal with the PvAI. If you can get him to drop his turrets in the road…then you just back off closer to the point. Now he wasted his turrets and they are no longer helping him (until off CD). You are at the advantage.
If you want to just “learn the map” find a hot join with 1 or 2 players in it and just run around. Look at the entrances to all the points, vantage points etc. This way when you get in an actual match you at least know where you are going and how to get there. As for learning to play against other classes, watch tutorials on you tube and then just curbed stomped until you learn. Only way to get better is to fight better players than you. Yes, hotjoin sometimes has higher lvl pvpers in there. Because of the new dailies you will see them in there now and then. Practice makes perfect and AI won’t get you there.
Well, Their turrets will almost always be on point. Just stay off the point and away from the turrets. Since your a bit new, basically don’t run in there if you are mele. Use a condi class to take out the player or ranged player to take em out. 5 man turret engi as stated, will only work at the low lvls of PvP. Actually went up against a 5 man yesterday. Before match started I ask in map chat, “5 Turret engis? Hows that work for you?” They replied, “Very well actually”. Then we won 500-50. Newer players tend to just dive into the point and then get kittened when they get rocked by AI. Just stay off the point while attacking. If an engi is rushing the point your holding, try to rush forward and meet him off point. He most likely will not drop his turrets until he gets on point and you can kill him before he ever gets there.
Edit: Looks like I forgot to put the word in that I was thinking in my head. Thanks for being a kitten about it. Sorry you are a God and never have typos.
Bug….happens all the time. Or sometimes my friends trying to rez me where I am not after being downed…same bug..some reason the player is not where he looks to be.
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Didn’t know it before xD
Let’s say that 60 seconds WOULD be enough IF we hadn’t servers reporting errors while trying to relog back after dc….
Can’t be longer than 60 seconds. If you can’t log back in, in that time that is your kitten computer/ ISP. Not going to make it 3 minutes just to ensure everyone gets back in. Already at 60 seconds you are pushing the verge of loosing the match because of YOU. If enemy team realizes one of u left…it is an instant push for a 3 cap. Easily done in 60 seconds in a 5v4. If that happens, they will be 50-100 points further ahead by the time you ever get back. 45-60 seconds, somewhere in there; no less, no more.
Also, for the whole team getting deserter results, that means -3 pts automatic on LB’s right?
Correct. The alternative is to allow parties to dodge bad ladder results by having just one person take the fall. Another alternative is that we just do nothing, and everyone that suffers a 4v5 takes a loss (unless of course they manage to still win).
I feel 60 seconds is sufficient. After all, you got to log back in and double loading screens. Longer would be way OP. 30 seconds is also awfully fast and a bit harsh. I also think that this should only be 1 grace period per player. If he goes DC again, he gets punished no matter how long he gone.
I think it is unfair to punish the entire team with deserter status. What did the rest of them do wrong? It’s not their fault. I think only the person that DC get punished is the only fair way to go here.
Wooow. Oooohkay Does this imply intent of “do not ever queue as a party. EVER”? Because if someone disconnects you get whacked with deserter result?
This change is not live. This change would likely have a disconnect grace period. Know someone that DCs a lot, and for a long time… probably not a good idea to party with them.
A grace period would be good…60 seconds? Also, for the whole team getting deserter results, that means -3 pts automatic on LB’s right?
Yes clarification. Maybe January ESL weekly rules will be adjusted to : if you placed first or second this month already, you cannot enter another ESL weekly tournament. Then the system could grab 8 teams
Looks like records will be missing the games between hotfixes
Wow. Guess that sucks..All those wins Oh well
I may be asking too much but can’t a dev check the forums right after hotfixes and again a couple hours later to ensure there is no posts about how things are screwed up? I mean there were threads 1.5 – 2 hours after the fix saying nothing was updating. This wasn’t the only one. Could have been fixed last night.
would repeatedly leaving matches lower your MMR or just your ladder points ?
Just ladder points. If you are not there at the end of the match you cannot win or loose and therefore, MMR not effected besides -3 pts on LB’s. If you come back during match and win/ lose, then your MMR will be affected accordingly; but still -3 on LB.
PvP: Players on winning teams will now receive a bye if they are victorious against a team on which one more players disconnect during the match.
PvP: Players on losing teams with one or more desertions will now receive a forfeit.
PvP: Players’ win totals will now include byes.
PvP: Players’ loss totals will now include forfeits.
PvP: Matchmaking ratings are not adjusted if a match results in a bye or forfeit.
PvP: Ladder points are still adjusted for all wins, byes, losses, and forfeits.
So if you win and one of your opponent’s team disconnected, you get a “buy” aka a lesser win. If you lose but one your own team was disconnected, you get a “forfeit” aka a lesser loss.
It’s not stated (implied) that if you win with one of your own team disconnecting, it still counts as a win. This should be clarified.
What’s odd is that it affects matchmaking only and not the ladder placement. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
This makes no sense. You can’t have a lesser win? You would then score 0 leaderboard points for the match, since you only get 1 for winning. Why would you be punished if the other team disconnects and get no points. It’s not your fault. Also they say MMR (matchmaking) is NOT affected while the LB’s are. The bye’s and forfeits are added to the leaderboards. It needs to be fully explained as to what happens (for both sides) in the event of a forfeit and bye. The way they made it sound you get screwed if your in a match where 1 person DC’s; whether he is on your team or the other..We need explanation Anet.
Yes perfectly true. IMO if a group of 5, or even 1 person wan’t to pay that cash for a restart just for a mini llama, there is other issues at hand and doctors for help.
Then sometimes 5-10 mins later you’ll get a queue pop and you won’t even be in the same match as your party.
YES. Then after this forced abandoning of the queue happens, one person in the party gets a match even though they weren’t in the queue. And they usually accept, not knowing the rest of the party isn’t with them, and the group is further divided.
Yep, that happened too. 2 out of 3 of us went into match and the 3rd player got a Q pop 30 seconds later and went into a different one.
It has not happened for that long, but once or twice a night for me it does this. I have also seen it do this when the ready box comes up, my whole team excepts, a couple of the opposing team do not and it abandons. We are on coms and can guarantee we all accepted.
So you will no longer play a class you are not familiar with in Ranked Q?…THANK GOD. Can you talk to the rest of the population that is doing this? They invented practice & unranked Q for learning new classes. You are the reason why half the ranked Q population is kittened off right now; at people that don’t know how to play their class and Q up. 1 down, 3,000 to go.
Your team needed a different team comp is only 50% of the issue. The other is having people in it that have no idea how to play their class. Anet. Please keep this feature in place, maybe the rest will drop out.
I am kind of confused myself, since ‘Bye’ and ‘Forfeit’ are not defined. So if a member of the enemy team leaves and comes back, my team gets a ‘bye’. MMR is not adjusted but will still count as a win no matter what on the LB’s and give me + pts on LB’s No matter if we loose?
2nd. So if a member of my team gets DC’ed (desertion), comes back, it is an automatic ‘forfeit’? MMR not adjusted but an automatic loss for the ENTIRE team on LB and -pts as well??
If this is correct, seems a bit harsh to punish a whole team for 1 mans actions.
Or is everything normal and just MMR is not changed for each team. If so…would have been easier to just state that instead of throwing words in there without defining them.
OP can you change your Thread title to a Q: that way it gets seen by a dev?
You have a desertion on your record, which doesn’t count for a game played and also counts for a loss regarding ladder points. This explains your missing point.
ok…. so switching charakter during the first 2mins will be counted as a desertation?
and if i get a simple DC and relogg with the same charakter will it be counted as desertation too?
Yes. If you leave, no matter what the reason = Desertion. -pts on LB’s
+1 for being the most honest person to ever stumble into these forums. From the sounds of it, you don’t have you head completely wrapped around your characters abilities at lvl 80; so starting a new class is honestly probably out the the question. You would probably do the best just sticking with your Guard going in (Tanky spec as stated above). I would do hotjoins for a while (Practice mode) and then once you get a LOT of games in MAYBE move to Unranked. Ranked is highly competitive/ you would get steamrolled/ kitten your team off. Practice mode is for beginners and will have other beginners (and bored non beginners) in it. For the love of god, please do not go into Ranked lol.
Also, honestly PvP in this game is a lot more complex than it looks watching twitch. Since you had issues in other MMO’s it may not work out for you; but give it a go. If you HAVE TO try a new class just go with a Warrior. That would be the easiest to play newb mode on besides the class you already “know”.
P.S. The tureteer club is waiting for you! JK….but seriously they probably are.
Can’t go wrong with more pie’s…cmon peeps!
Oh well
