Depends on how many losses you have………….Or how many points you gained for your wins. This is ever changing every hour as well…. As of 12/29 1:30 PST it is ~29 rank points.
That’s weird. I have had this happen to me many many times and never taken fall damage. Probably just another bug. Like upon match start one time on Temple, when it ported me down to the ground I took like 40k fall damage and died……………Only happened once though.
+1 to all this. One of my favorites is getting pulled and before you reach the player you get launched 100 ft into the air. #Epic
Lol
That’s only a visual bug, it’s not as if you take fall dmg or anything. It happens all the time when I use magnet on eng, but I can still prybar them. What’s far more annoying to me is when they simply vanish from my screen and I need to guess a bit where they are.
I know it’s a visual bug but it is still a bug that needs fixing along with these.
Well, everything you said is true also….If you want the well rounded version, go D/D. Your team comp, their team comp, which map your on, etc etc, all play a factor. If you want ME to pick one for you, I would say D/D. Why? They can 1v1 on point when needed and get the kill and hold off 2 for a period while reinforcements show up. Staff ele is more of a mid/ wherever the team fight is to provide support. Staff cele will either not be able to kill their opponent or take 3 times as long as a D/D ele and will most likely require you to +1 the fight to get anything accomplished. Or you could just 1v1 all day.
Staff ele: Team supporter mainly, can hold a side point.
D/D ele: Team supporter and can hold and take a side point 1v1.
full zerk staff ele with downstate traited that rekt me by surprise.[/spoiler]
There you have it. Trait for downstate and you can beat em.
Actually it just depends on what your team needs. Staff cele is full sustain where as D/D does more damage with slightly less sustain. Going head to head with equal players should just be a stalemate. So the question is, what does your team need? Does it need a D/D cele that can provide support and damage, or does it need more support and less damage.
That is just how it currently works. They are most likely going to implement a grace period though. As in, you can be disconnected for no more than 30 seconds before you get deserter status. Here is a discussion with the devs on the matter. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Byes-Forfeits/first#post4658078
The dishonor debuff is disabled, BUT you WILL still get deserter status in a ranked match. What does this mean for you? An instant -3 points on leaderboards. If you manage to win the match after you desertion, you will gain the appropriate points back.
Example: You log out then back in, you get deserter and -3 pts. You continue to win for a +1 points. End result -2 on leaderboards. You continue on to win for +2 points. End result -1.
You continue on to win for +3 points….you get the idea.
Correct^^. Also maybe instead of “If 1 team player gets deserter status” then if loss “players looses no points” or if win" “Players gain normal points”. Maybe put a time on it? If you get deserter status and only gone for 15 seconds and your team looses, you should get negative points. Maybe, “If 1 team player gets deserter status” and “player is gone for X amount of time total (2 min?)” then if loss “team looses no points”.
This way it doesn’t just decide to not change points or MMR for the rest of the team based on desertion; that only was 20 seconds long. 2 minutes is probably too high then, maybe 60 seconds? 30 seconds cumulative for the player to receive desertion status and 60 for the team to receive forfeit status.
games with a 0-19% chance of winning are very rare. maybe in the lowest population time of day?
Happens during high times too. Yesterday I faced full premades twice in high times with a 3Q-1Q-1Q. Took it to a very close loss both times and got +2pts for the loss. This meant we had a 0-19% chance of wining. Both times we had over 480 to their 500. It is possible, it all depends on who is on your team. If you get in solo with fairly new players, this would not be accomplished. At least ours knew what they were doing.
Dem laurels though. Spends that kitt! From the looks of how big each piece of the pie is; all you did was get the title and move onto the next one….. Casual for titles :/
Personal score is useless besides giving you credit for the match. Being the highest on the score board doesn’t mean you were the best player in the match………..why waste Anets time developing something that is useless for you own ego; instead of using their time on something that would actually help the game.
Can’t tell you how many times In pugs I have seen a player talking trash because they are the highest on the scroeboard. All they were doing is running around tagging kills and standing on points that are being free capped by someone else. Was the highest on scoreboard, was the most useless player in the match.
The points don’t always mean anything. Besides, if you did this, you would give free reign for pugs ‘bunkers’ to just sit on home point and go no where else the whole match; because they won’t need to for a point ego boost. This would cause even more frustration. Nothing more useless than a bunker who never leaves home point. I love seeing the enemy do that. It’s GG cuz u just 5v4 them on the other 2 points all match…BUT HE HAS HOME!
Edit: I realize I read it wrong and you said they would not get points for siting on an uncontested point. Oh well. My point still valid lol.
It’s not an exploit if it is basically impossible. Winning 100% of your games for hundreds and hundreds (thousands if it goes for more than a month) is near impossible. Everyone looses. Even loosing 1 out of 5 (-3+1+1+1-1) is more possible. But then to be positive you need to go -3+1+1+1-1+1+1. This now means you have to play 357 games just to reach top 250 on LB’s, 35.7 games a day (10 days current), at 15 minutes a game (9 hours a day). I would not call that an exploit lol. This situation is like landing an astronaut on Pluto. Could it be done? Yes. Is anyone going to do it? No
Simply I was unlucky because on every corner I happened to bump into them.
Happens.
That isn’t you being unlucky. That is them having map awareness and you not. Not trying to put you down, just helping you learn. Maybe not all your fault your team isn’t calling out inc’s so then you have no idea where they are. As soon as you see even the 2nd person coming in, you should be disengaging.
If you indefinitely get -3 every match, you can’t grind the Lb’s. LB’s require you to get + points. Meaning you still have to win the next 3 matches to make up for your desertion and win 4 in a row to gain positive points….This would mean you have to uphold a 100% win ratio if you DC 1 in every 4 matches (making it 75% win). So after 100 wins & 25 losses(DC’s), you will only have 25 points on LB’s for 125 matches.
no you are in a team of 5 and take turns doing it. so you get -3 then +1+1+1+1. and start over
You are right. It could happen. If you can actually ALWAYS win (which you won’t unless you are one of the best teams). So now lets look at point spread. To be in the top 250 RIGHT NOW (10 days in), you need 51 points. This means you would need to have (using a -3+1+1+1+1 formula) 204 wins and 50 losses. Yes that is 254 games played with a perfect scenario just to make top 250. That is a fraction over 25 games a day. If you do an average wait time + match time you could just say 15 minutes a match. That is 6 hours 15 minutes non stop play time. So yes if you can find 5 people with no jobs, no school, and no lives that are GOOD ENOUGH to maintain a 100% ratio for 254 games, it is possible. In real life, you are talking about a situation that will not actually happen. Possible yes, improbable YES.
If you indefinitely get -3 every match, you can’t grind the Lb’s. LB’s require you to get + points. Meaning you still have to win the next 3 matches to make up for your desertion and win 4 in a row to gain positive points….This would mean you have to uphold a 100% win ratio if you DC 1 in every 4 matches (making it 75% win). So after 100 wins & 25 losses(DC’s), you will only have 25 points on LB’s for 125 matches.
The thing people don’t realize is sometimes they have to suck it up and make plays according to where their other teammates are going. You can’t always expect random pugs to follow your every order. People think this game is about the solo grind; NO. The classic response from the guy with 0 pts at the end of the match is “I keep getting ganked” ya well may be you should adjust your gameplay to the way your teammates are playing. I know points don’t really matter but 0? Do you even tag kills brah? Expecting your mates to adjust to the way you’re playing is stupid, because it won’t always happen. If all your mates know map awareness is key, coordination should be simple and you should be winning those matches, unless your comp is completely countered or they just suck at playing their class.
in last minute I managed to score 55 because finally nailed them spread accross whole map
If you’re focused by few ranged classes, and you’re melee, forget about even tagging.
There are other exits. I find it hard to believe that the 3 of them camped your spawn while they 2v4ed no problem on the rest of the points to allow the 3 spawn camp that only effected you. You rotated out the the wrong spot consistently.
Lol. You deem it a failure when it has only been here for 10 days? It is a TEST season. They are working out the problems and it will improve. Would you go to the gym for 10 days and then quit because “you will never get bigger” (see no positive results yet). Have some patients and stop QQ’ing.
Better yet, why don’t you create a thread that is actually helpful to Anet to try to fix the problems that are there. Times, Map names is a perfect answer. If you think a match was unfair, post the above 2 things and they can look at it. They can then figure out what went wrong or didn’t (could be you).
Matchmaking is the problem. It can’t work no matter what they change with Ranked Arena because of population of GW2 sPvP.
Nothing can be done.
I will not waste my time
So it is a population issue? So your idea is to chop what already is small, into smaller pieces? Solo Q’ing into Team arena worked fine before. Obviously with new methods it isn’t working out perfect. They will fix it and it will be fine again.
I think the problem is that even the best players can’t get high on the leaderboards without playing a LOT of ranked games.
Maybe they should create two leaderboards, one to track games won and one to track players skill level.
There is no perfect way for a system to determine a players “skill” level for a leader board… You want a leader board to reward players with high win %? Then we go back to rewarding players that are 7-0 and never play again. Put a set amount of games in that must be played to prevent this? Now you are still making it a grind. They want to reward players who play the kitten game. If someone wants to have no life and play 600 games in 30 days, so be it; he gets a reward. At least he is dedicated. You want to reward only the BEST players? Ok, so Noscoc is a top player..he only plays 20 games in 30 days but gets a reward for being one of the best. That makes no sense. If the top players really want a reward (they don’t give a kitten), then they will need to play the games like everyone else. Anet never said we will rewards the best 250 players in the game…They said they will reward the top 250 players on the LB’s (aka, the most dedicated to playing, aka the hardcore PvPers, whether they are the best or not).
Everyone is complaining about how they have to actually PvP to get a reward. Sad. The rewards are stupid anyway. But my god, what was Anet thinking on making you actually have to PvP to get a reward. Were you the guy that was 11-3 in the top 10 of LB’s? Now your mad because you can’t exploit for a free reward? Play & you shall receive. If a mini Llama that important to you, I don’t know what to say.
Even so, you can just “farm” the ranked games to get more points. Another issue that may rise by this leader board greed is that players which are mainly there for their place on the ladder might stay to cap points without any consideration of the situation (example 3 players on one empty capture point) only to achieve the 100 points needed to get a score. (not 100% sure about that)
Lol. You deem it a failure when it has only been here for 10 days? It is a TEST season. They are working out the problems and it will improve. Would you go to the gym for 10 days and then quit because “you will never get bigger” (see no positive results yet). Have some patients and stop QQ’ing.
Better yet, why don’t you create a thread that is actually helpful to Anet to try to fix the problems that are there. Times, Map names is a perfect answer. If you think a match was unfair, post the above 2 things and they can look at it. They can then figure out what went wrong or didn’t (could be you).
Lol. Most videos on youtube are exactly how you perceived them to be. I would suggest looking at the twitch of some of the top players for each of the classes. Look at a few because there are different viable pvp builds for each class. On their twitch is usually links to builds & videos explaining how to play it.
I could not find the thread with all the twitch channels in it. Maybe someone knows which thread it is?
Hard to give out any specific information since you want all classes. I would suggest you picking just one after trying them all out, until you get good at it. Won’t be much class improvement on each class from you if you just play every single one and rotate through every few games.
Revive thread! One the most constructive threads out there right now. I think a compounding grace period is a good idea. If you make it 45 seconds or whatever, you should be able to disconnect say twice for 20 seconds. Maybe 30 seconds is a good period, because honestly much longer than that you cripple your team to much. I do like the idea that if 1 person leaves, the rest of his team should not take negative points (unless win). They got kitten because of someone else and are almost sure to loose. Would be a relief instead of maybe scaring people off that are loosing many points because of this. Originally I thought maybe they system should recalculate the teams % chance to win so it is on the bottom end. I then realize this would not work because if someone is there the whole game until the very end and that team wins; it would make the other team take -3 points because the system recalculated them to win by a long shot, due to 4v5 calculation.
5v4’s should NEVER count toward ANYTHING, including leaderboards and MMR. the game simply shouldn’t count for anyone.
I hope this change is gonna be implemented soon.
I agree with you, with one exception. I think if the team that has a deserter wins it should count. If for nothing else than to prevent trolls from leaving at the last moment to cheat their team out of a win.
Basically this. Win points for winning team. If Winning team is 5, loosing team is 4; loosing team takes no negative points (besides the deserter). If winning team is 4 and loosing team is 5. normal win/ loss points awarded (-3 for deserter).
but on other hand necros can be op vs certain sepcs (like condi engi) and this would make it even more op. .
Lol? Every class spec is OP against another class spec. That is the point of the different classes and specs; to counter another one (balance). This argument invalid.
Counts as a desertion. A desertion is an automatic -3 points. If you won you gained +1, making it a total of -2. Soon as dishonor comes back in, you will also get a debuff that won’t allow you to re-Q for a little bit after the match; since you deserted.
It is definitely going in the right direction. People keep coming on here QQ’ing instead of offering ACTUAL helpful information that Anet can look at. “Just bring SoloQ back”, they say. THIS IS A TEST SEASON. They are trying to fix it and make it better. YES it is flawed, isn’t everything when it’s first launched? Its is called a TEST for a reason…… They are making changes and working on stuff to make it better. It will get better as the updates roll out. Give it time. Be patient.
majority of my games have been pugs vs full or 4 man premades so far. who ever wanted that premades get to fight pugs? that idea is just horrible… shorter queues yes but pvp pretty much destroyed…
Majority of your unranked games (non ranked). Be specific. Less people Q unranked and so it is more unbalanced. Only about 20% of the time does this happen to the average player. Maybe even less. People also don’t consider the fact that the other people on your team could be Q’ed together…just because you are solo, it doesn’t mean everyone else on your team is too. Just because they don’t all have the same guild name, does not mean they are not together. People have friends in game that are not in their guild. Only 50% of teams I go against are in same guild or at least reping the same guild a the time; but are still Q’ed together.
Most of us could do something with our time better. That is the way it is now, as of December 16th. Too many matches went into 4v5 because people canceled out to continue whatever they were doing in PvE.
True, and it’s unranked so you will get the daily achievers in there after reset. In the end it’s unranked, so who cares. Want to avoid it. Don’t Q for an hour after daily reset. Doesn’t look like Anet is going to remove it, even though it goes against everything they are trying to do with match making.
For me, solo Q’ing is easy mode after reset. All the newbs join in and can easily 1v2-3 no problem. Leaves the rest of you team on easy mode even if they are daily classes too. Yesterdays daily I held 1v3 whole match against 3 guardians. Non stop killing them. Rest of my team able to cap both other points 80% of match.
To prevent you from forgetting about the Q. You forget about the Q, start an event, Q pops and you decide to continue with your PvE(leaving everyone hanging). Also to prevent people from missing Q pops while loading through maps. It helps prevent and infinite loop of [X][X][X][X][X][X][X][X][X][ ], 10th man out.
Go to whatever point you want to. If you suck and going to die quickly then I prefer you distracting them a little bit at far instead of rallying the first person I get downed at mid.
Neutralizing enemy’s Point should be called a success, even for someone who’s 1st timer or a simple pve player who do pvp for certain stuff(Balthazar back item).
I don’t expect them to kill anyone. The longer they stay alive and neutralize enemy’s point is more than enough for me.
Many people don’t appreciate it.
Don’t know why.
Because you probably made your team lose mid or home in the process. That is what everyone is saying.
LOL? IF you can decap the point and stay alive…..that is a victory. they are not gaining points off a decapped node, you are in a 1v1 (leaves 4v4 elsewhere) and hopefully you have your home (gaining points).
Also a lot of you assumes the random idiot on oyur home point is smart enough to reinforce mid. 50% of the time that does not happen in pugs. The guy that usually goes home thinks he is best bunker and just sits there. If you can do the above and your teammates loose everything else….nothing will save you. Because if you go mid next time instead…it will then just be 5v5…your teammates died the last even match up, they won’t survive that one either.
When joining a pug you MUST look at team comp carefully. If you are outclassed…you should push far and not mid at all. Pugs are hard to control but there are obvious signs when you are outclassed and wont win a mid fight. You can push 3 far 2 home. Their 1 or 2 they sent home will die and you will cap….mid will be capped and they will split off in both directions. Other pugs never just pick one. They will send more to their home 90% of the time to get it back while pushing 1 or 2 to your home.
All depends on the situation and classes..you must adapt. 4/1 is not always the safe bet.
Lowest you can go is 0……you also don’t necessarily get -1 for loosing. You can get 0 points for loosing and you can also get +1 for loosing. It depends on what your odds of winning were. You could even get -2 for loosing.
OP is correct…Necros don’t use boons (boon duration), they don’t use power(o.O), and they never heal themselves or heal others (o.O o.O). Is this an actual post? Is this real life? I sense troll?
His signature says he is a Necro….must be troll.
Do they? What boons do they use besides sub-par access to protection, regen and might? Can you make a viable build using those boons? Get your boon duration up and start stacking them boons.
Power? A joke. Lich got nerfed (probably the only thing that made power necros a thing). God do any of you play this profession at all? lol
Healing others!? WE can barely heal ourselves kitten lol. Yeah and well of blood nerf ty. Do you know what the necro’s class mechanic is? Its a mechanic that shuts off any outside heals, siphoning or healing power-related anything (unless of course you get the gm for regen.. yey)
Not troll at all. Truth fam
If you honestly think all this…you should re-roll.
Power Necros stack might like a mofo…Strength rune plus traits gives you over 30 second boon duration for perma 25 might stacks in combat…………………..YES BOON DURATION.
Lich did get nerfed ; now lich only hits for 6-15k…..bummer (depends on their toughness).
MM Necro heals themselves a lot along with others. Life transfer heal is the most powerful AOE heal in the game (yes I know, no one plays MM); but that is why the healing stat is there.
Depends on what the necro is playing. Just because YOU don’t use them, doesn’t mean no one else does. Naive/ Ignorance/ Most useless post ever
You going to make a thread next about why every other class has a boon duration stat? I can’t believe I am still in this toxic post. I will leave now.
OP is correct…Necros don’t use boons (boon duration), they don’t use power(o.O), and they never heal themselves or heal others (o.O o.O). Is this an actual post? Is this real life? I sense troll?
Usualy there are not macro users just players with quick fingers or even players what dont understand class mechanics. Other day I was accused by some “Legendary Champion” (God every noob has this title these days..) for using macros while only thing I did was using mine field under his feets and those mines instakill him. Simillar it was from my guildies what ask me after 5k hours played what cheat it is when engi do nothing and keep him knockdowned (Slick Shoes). It took me 5 minutes to convince him that skill actualy exist in game since launch and its not cheat or macro.
Funny reading this right now because some ranger reported me yesterday for the same thing. Was kitten in around in unranked for the daily on my “1” shot mine build. Walked up and insta dead…30 seconds later I get a whisper, “Reported hacker” LOL. I just sent him Salt and left it at that.
Compared to ultra rarely useful stuff like lich stomp, this is used every 10s
Lol. I know a couple people that do this (like everyone else) and they do not use macros to do so. They practiced it and practice makes perfect. I believe all you have to do is stow your weapons….there is a key for that. Not saying that everyone doesn’t use a macro but I know it is not needed.
LOL. Sorry I didn’t know clicking 1 button was so hard. Lazy. Sorry if it sounds hostile but this is just pure nonsense. I am surprised you took the time to create a post since clicking 1 button again was so time consuming. It creates the same effect whether or not you click the button or it puts you back in. You are then re-qued. I am not a dev so I cannot say for sure whether this is working as intended; but someone didn’t click accept and you must be re-qued. This will shortly go away because once dishonor debuff is turned back on people won’t be leaving their desk without exiting the Q first. I guess, unless emergency poo.
It doesn’t make sense at all. Why do I have to requeue again ?
Because someone on your team DID NOT CLICK ACCEPT. The system can’t automatically re-Q you, if it thinks a player is AFK……………………… Then you would just end up with that person not accepting once again when popped. No progress…..
If it put you back in Q with an AFK on your team and then repeated the cycle over and over, your post would be much more angry. Non stop loop because someone had to take an emergency poo and isn’t at their computer anymore. Is it that hard to click one button and go back in Q? Having to press 1 button forced you to come onto the forums and complain about having to push 1 button? Seriously?
There is an issue of leaving Q and it still pops. If he left Q to invite you then Re-Qed, it is possible his first Q still popped. Since you were not with him for the first Q, he will go alone.
so you are saying if you win 500-499 or if you win 500-3 that your MMR changes by the exact same amount either way?
i don’t believe that is correct Mr Ghost. although i’ve seen things in this game that made even less sense.
Yes, that IS correct. If you win, your MMR goes up a set amount. Not sure what Anet finalized it at, but I believe it is +(#%) of* your current MMR per win. When you loose, your MMR goes down. This could vary in (%) depending on whether you scored 50 or 499. That is unless they decided to go with a set -(#%) for each loss as well.
