Guild Wars 2

u dont need poc just pop a signet and boom the boons are gone. u can have an uptime from up to 24 stacks of might always staying above 15 its...just like every class atm xD. the build i saw was something like this http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQBlAK0Bag~ with staff and axe/warhorn and 4 signets or 3 signets and spectral armor depending on the build he was facing. i think it was celestial strength runes or even soldiers he was just so kitten tanky (+perma weakness) and simply spammed all signets to convert all the boons and transfer all the condis while still maintaining a lot of might stacks and generating life force with staff and axe (/warhorn)

to be honest i was kind of glad that signet of vampirism never was good because i hate signet build by heart and now theres this...

i dont want to support sitting in deathshroud. its already way too much focus of our class. i know its our class mechanic but putting every trait on deathshroud?

so after seeing some good duels from good necros for a change its pretty obvious that full signet necros sadly is the best build. signet of suffering together with plague sending and 4 signets is just enough of a gimmick to constantly convert and transfer condis. the necro does not even need to use weapon skills he just needs to stay alive. i like that we were the kings of transfer but this is much is just kittened. people were even thinking the necros bug using cause hes just playing full tank and then spamming signets. this is why corruptions got nerfed. 4 signets builds are the new condi necro

what are your thoughts?

tomorrow is the biggest update in the history of this game so i will come back then to answer this question as everything from traits to weapons kills to utilitys will change. engineer will get a major rework and buff

ok too much trust in his skills do we know that necros build?

Klonko.8341:

The fact for arenanet -> whiners = potential gem buyers = $$$ to shareholder/stockholder and investor. And thats what drive Anet sadly.

the biggest whiners sub forum is the necro forum only that most of it has a good reason. i would pay money for buffs at this poimt in time

yes weakness cripples power build but im asking myself why he was playing a power build. with his skill level he could wreck everybody with condi. boring but effective. and i know that condi necro is the main counter for condi engi but i think chaithh could have done it

well they just nerfed barbed precision to 33% because they thought necro was too much condi damage

so karl was playing necro the whole streams. he played a hybrid necro to get a bit of life force regeneration. i was really surprised how well he did in the duels against top tier roaming streamers. he pressured successfully to hit sos and then followed with fear. stopped doing condi damage when shin used resistance and switched to axe and so on. he saw many matchups today and won against all of them atleast once….except engi because engi…

but with all of this he didnt have master of corruption because even he realized thats its more of a burden than a gain. maybe we’ll see some changes

pls as a reminder dont use this topic dont flame or offend/insult. its not the intention of this topic

ok thx kodama maybe it was one of the trigger traits or i was imagining things because necro got nerfed again sorry for the false information

it has no cd u can switch at any time. spamming one seems quite nice damage but i think condi burning engi will actually do more consistent dps than both zerker and mortar zerker. but all this was just taken from one stream

i was watching dps when he tested it in full zerker with pack runes

they also removed the side effect from thiefs quickness and buffed all of them with something else but thats not what this topic is about

med guard is already meta. gimme chill on my wellomancer. also u have slow on glacial heart instead of chill now. i dont think its a good change but its a change what do u think about it

i saw 4k on my screen which is only slightly lower than lich and it has a higher attack speed

if youre stunned and get a condition applied-> stunbreak
if you get feared-> stunbreak

Gryph.8237:

alcohol probably.

youre not the only one. it was a bad day for necro

DrArmature.4619:

What is this, an image for ANNTTSSS???!?!?!?!?!??!

its a screenshot fof my whole desktop while watching twitch in non full screen mode while the streamer was mousing over the trait description in the pvp build changing box. i think its good enough

Gryph.8237:

kitten it you were faster :p but your math was wrong

there is no real nerf. its duration is cut to 15 seconds but with the spectral trait its at 22.5 seconds thats all

gratz archievment unlocked: your mortar autoattack hits as hard as lich + is aoe + is not duration limited

Sagat.3285:

Parasitic Contagion if it heals through shroud

it doesnt. already tested

Gryph.8237:

my only hope is the fact that some of the streamers indicated that necro felt very weak from a condi standpoint, and did not appear to be too impressed from the power build standpoint.

how is that your only hope? xD

yes sadly its pulsing

but before it was 10% damage when holding an axe meaning axe skills, offhand skills and even deathshroud got the damage buff. now its 10% increase to 3 skills (2 of them useless) only if the target has vuln. its a huge nerf.

good one yamsandjams xD

Bhawb.7408:

I just…

seems like tonight even you, our brightest light, are lost in the darkness

engis had piercing pistol and now its gone. and were talking about the class with the most buffs from this patch so dont expect to get it on thief

and adding to that morta dos like 5k with its autoattack in an aoe without a duration so who needs lich anymore

edit: the language filter killed some words so i had to write them in a wrong way

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Do we have confirmation on that? It was presented as a damage buff regardless of weapon in the Ready Up.

yes i got that straight from the live test on the official test servers.

i will just leave this here for you

its only 10% damage for axe skills....thats another disappointment. so its a straight nerf from the old version in every way

nobody in pvp should get hit by that combo but pve anyone?

Ozzrel.9825:

Shout with a cast time? That will be new.

rangers “guard” has a cast time (which will be removed tomorrow) and all reaper shouts will have a cast time

as he is a new player we might as well say him how to get the gear. i recommend you to do citadel of flames p1 (and p2 if u want) daily to get tokens. in lions arch u can buy berserker (power precision ferocity) armor and weapons from the citadel of flame trader near the fractals of the mist portal. for trinkets i recommend u get an exotic backpiece made via armor smithing its a level 78 exotic with only 3 stat points lower than an ascended if u put an "embellished brilliant ruby jewel" in it. i advice u to level armor smith (and weapon smith) with a guide from http://gw2crafts.net/ so u dont waste ur money. ascended accessorys can be bought for 12 guild commendations (u get them from guild missions) at the guild commendation trader in lions arch. when u want to buy 2 berzerker (power precision ferocity) pieces watch out to buy the 2 with different names as u cannot wear 2 of the same unique item. ascended rings can be gotten from fractals (buy 2 different one aswell) and u can get ur ascended amulet from a laurel merchant in any major city for 30 laurels. i recommend u to take one with an utility slot. for runes as already said scholar of youre good and have the money. flame legion is a good cheap alternative. i know this is a lot of information and a few things might change with the patch tomorrow. have fun

DeceiverX.8361:

This thread’s about PvE, which D/D is the best possible thief weapon set combination for in regards to bosses, and one of the best in the game in general.

If I were into speed runs enough to care to change my build, I’d probably try something like this:

Skills and Gear:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQRAoY8al0MpvpFOx7J0PJBAAsN0GA-TVCBABVcQAqZ/hKV/5MlgYp8DgHAQe6HY4IAEwJAAA-w

Traits:
http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgcB3ALkBeg~

Huge might and permanent fury access through the trapping traits with Shadow Pursuit off of Shadow Trap for 15 stacks of might with permanent fury from NQ, reset trap cd’s through steal/thrill and maintenance of high might from Sigil of Strength maintaining what is likely to be around 12 from itself.

The build should be maintaining permanent 12-25 stacks of might and permanent fury uptime.

the trap build is a really really nice idea considering there is really nothing else to pick in deadly arts adept. gj i will keep an eye on this. but i dont think recourceful trapper is a complete cooldown reset

Rym.1469:

If it doesn’t heal, then it sucks. Wastes 1/5 of healing, since you have just 4 allies in PvP and dungeons.

u could heal one of ur trustworthy minions or a ranger pet xD #worth. on a more serious note it shouldnt heal the necro in its current form its way too strong

yes u can easily reach 1900-2000 healing power atm. i have full ascended cleric gear with monk runes from the times where well of blood was not nerfed so that would be 700 healing per pulse with 9 pulses not considering the healing increase on allies + all siphon procs from these pulses + life from death... why are we even talking about consume condition nerfs if this goes to live. transfusion heals a lot even without healing power. this would be kittened.

transfusion heal caster? thats a horrible idea and i dont think anet would buff necro like that

flow.6043:

Compared to now this would still be a nerf considering you get 10 stacks of vuln (and another one with MoT) if your cast is interrupted.
Also, the healing amount of Consume Conditions is rather low to begin with, so an extra condition or two to consume doesn’t make that big of a difference, especially when you might already have the same condi on you before using the skill.

i know but does anet know? i dont want to sound pessimistic but these changes would make the heal more appealing and change nothing about the situation anet (for some reason) wants to fix

Purple Miku.7032:

Warrior damage was nerfed but not anywhere the near 80%. It seems pretty obvious to me that Warlord was just exaggerating to get the point across that the nerfs accumulated to huge losses overall.

From before ferocity rolled out up until right about now, warrior’s DPS with 65003 was nerfed by roughly 30%. This is an estimate based off of the damage used to hit compared to what I hit now.

But the thing about this 30% number is that some of the larger nerfs weren’t warrior-exclusive and affected all classes. However one huge one was a nerf to the might boon which kind of impacted warrior a lot because of the forceful GS trait.

It doesn’t matter anymore to me however, since the changes overall for PvE warrior are beneficial.

The only two large complaints that I have are:

a) Arms has some overall pretty crappy options, especially at the Master level. :/
b) Banners were nerfed pretty badly due to the inspiring banners trait being completely removed. I would have expected this to become either baseline or for sure left in the tactics line, as it is one of the most often used traits in dungeons/fractals. It’s bizarre to me that they completely removed it.

thank you and yeah i know he was exaggerating but warlord is doing this so often and it isnt helping the community to rage about the changes so i wanted to carefully and extensively show him that it isnt as bad as he thinks. warriors will always have a role in pve with banners and might support. the major changes as u and i said were universal changes like the might one. i also dont understand why they removed inspiring banners and i really hope its merged with inspiring banners or baseline. this update in a whole is beneficial as u now dont have to sacrifice personal dps for phalanx so imo he shouldnt complain so much as other classes have way bigger problems.

really nice idea but they would have to nerf the healing or increase the cast time if they dont want to buff the skill which, lets be honest, they dont want to do

Faction.4013:

Just wondering what the new D/D “Meta” build is going to be come Tuesday. I figured I’d ask the professionals who play and know so much more than me.

Thanks!

if u mean pvp it doesnt exist if u mean pve something like this http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgcBfAJkA6g~
critical strikes adapt and master and even gm depend on the situation
and shadow arts vs other trait lines depend on use for the thief too (stealth for skips vs evades for solos/hard encounters) but im not a theorycrafter

thats still not clear imo. its nice that u added that u want to ADD an effect not replace it. but should the warden block melee attack so it doesnt get hit? should it get invincible? should it take the damage u get when ur in an area around it? should it render everything around it completely immune to melee cleave damage (which needs to be specified too) and itself on top of it? its a nice thing to say it blocks damage. but the question is how? because there is no skill in the game that blocks melee damage other than an invuln so we dont know how to do that

i think making the live versions might affect allies would be enough. i think there is no need to buff or nerf the bleeds as our weapon do enough bleeding. it shouldnt be the main reason for taking this utility (as it is now). other classes can deal more bleeds anyways. were not the kings and queens of conditions and putting everything onto one thing...we saw what happned to dhuumfire and signet of spite

yes nobody should ever use it but while were on the topic of necromancer there is a whole lot more than was never used. and necros still only have 1 good heal which is getting nerfed hard. so whining about not having more options is kinda luxury. its important that were showing anet whats useless but they dont regularly read the forums to notice. i know its a bad trait and i will never take it but there are so many bad traits and we waited months for this update

Warlord.9074:

Good place for you to start is when zerkers power and heightened focus were adept traits then read everything between then and now.

ok if u say so:
so after the June 25th 2013 patch the standard pure dps build was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nh518EQ6pE
all weapon skills and utility skills are the same
axe autoattack has huge damage when not interupted
mace offhand for vuln
fgj and double banner for utilitys together with elite banner vs signet of rage

it is still zerker armor and weapons with %damage sigils and scholar runes so nothing new there.

moving on to the traits and now comes the best thing xD nothing has changed. u can literally play the exact same build as on that day on the live servers
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQBAA-e
so the damage cant be lower than during the June 25th 2013 patch because u can literally play the same build.

lets look at some other changes:
-there was no ps warrior so u had no guaranteed 25 might as eles could pre stack might but not stack during combat
-might was nerfed from 35power/condi dmg to 30. keep in mind that this happend to every single profession
-gs axe build came into existence. people went back into arms and dual wield agility was introduced so pure axe warrior got even better
-the ferocity changes were introduced changing the 10%crit dmg to 150ferocity (no loss)

so in conclusion im desperately looking for a reason why warrior deals less damage now than in the past. sure he might deal less damage in comparrison to other classes but saying that a damage non-ps warrior deals 80% less damage than in the past is just ignorant.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

its okay, there are way more boon stripping in heart of thorns so its balanced ! :p

25 might stack so what ?

boon stripping, boon stripping every where !!! :p

but we get this before hot which will likely get released in around 3-4 months :p

no thanks ill consider this a win as u surely cannot prove me that warrior deals 80% less damage than before. changing ur roll to play phalanx to support your group doesnt mean u got nerfed. u chose to sacrifice personal dps for that. u can still run gs axe/mace when ur the only warrior if u want.

edit: and u edited it again so berserkers power was changed from adapt tier to gm on 25th june 2013. lets see how warrior damage was at that point in time to how it is now

Warlord.9074:

I don’t think we play the same game or u are new.

ok link me all the nerfs warrior has gotten and then show me the math that u deal 80%!!! less damage now then before.

edit: nice edit mate change all what u wrote quickly