Guild Wars 2

D I V A.6018:

It should not be changed because there needs to be something to counter overpowered mechanics like PU stealths in a PvP environment. Are you seriously denying that a Mesmer or Thief should be able to perma stealth spike everyone they desire without the targets having any chance to even notice you?

I am really sick and tired of people like you that have no idea about balancing a game and yet demand their classes and playstyles to be borderline overpowered.

Tell me the reason WHY it should be “fixed” and I shall laugh.

D I V A

Let us not get personal? Even though civilized conversation is rare on the internet.

While i agree that spiking ppl down from stealth is not cool, i believe that the dmg on mesmer needs toning down, specifically mind wrack. NOT stealth, you can’t win a game from stealth.

I also think you don’t know thief very well and complain about it because of that misinformation.

There is PLENTY of counterplay being added to stealth with HoT, some of which is going to make playing Thief, which is much more reliant on stealth than mesmer, hell.

I don’t even main thief, but i recognize issues with the game that are not healthy, that doesn’t make it MY playstyle. So just stop…

Velimere.7685:

Divination.

He will get his Hogwarts invite soon!

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

GrandHaven.1052:

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

because it is not a bug, but intended feature.
why should it be fixed?

Based on what?

Voramoz.6790:

Engineer has never truly had rez support before,

Toss Elixir R

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toss_Elixir_R

And obviously elixir S and Toss elixir S

D I V A.6018:

Hmmm… no.

And why shouldn’t it be fixed?

This has gone on long enough now, please ANET?

Wolfs Shadow.7234:

witcher.3197:

SAKRAY.3690:

I used to main a D/D Ele are they still any good??

DD ele is the single most OP build in existence right now.

closely followed by a cele necro

Nah, just heal often, dont drop below 50%, easy to beat as long as you play smart.

HOLY mother I am LOVING the traits!

Ganathar.4956:

WEXXES.2378:

Time to quit OP, rofl.

If that’s the reason to quit, the problem doesn’t lie in engineer getting new AI based stuff.

I haven’t seen any AI-based Forge spec. I have only seen an AI-based elite spec called the Scrapper. I guess that the OP has no reason to quit after all

Hahha I CAN USE THIS! ":D

Kaizoku.1298:

GrandHaven.1052:

WEXXES.2378:

Time to quit OP, rofl.

If that’s the reason to quit, the problem doesn’t lie in engineer getting new AI based stuff.

Wasn’t being serious about quitting.

Now that the time has come, the big boi kitten dem pants eh ? heheh

Riiiigth…

Phil.8901:

With Thief you have Steal available during the mist from, i didn’t try with other professions but probably something with the patch reverted this already fixed bug.

Re-fix it pls

Noticed this too. Thought i was high or something.

You reported it ingame? If not, please do.

Belial.9350:

Supreme.3164:

Now you can take the best ele player in this game, the top ones: @Honey

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

After her performance today, i agree!

Adamantium.3682:

Engineer forums has really gone downhill. Really with the complaints already? We don’t know specifics of anything yet!

Didn’t OP say he was leaving the game anyways?

Nah just REALLY don’t want AI.
And I am not whining, I am saying this specific skill isn’t really sounding like something I want on Engi.

WEXXES.2378:

Time to quit OP, rofl.

If that’s the reason to quit, the problem doesn’t lie in engineer getting new AI based stuff.

Wasn’t being serious about quitting.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Oh you’re talking about priority order.

Yes. The way it was like a year+ ago. Where condi’s got removed according the the latest applied.

Condis DO NOT clear consistently from left to right.

What if this was returned?
This would make playing conditions a bit more skill focussed and allow you to clear in a more reliable fashion.

Shifu.4321:

Depends on the number and frequency of condis removed.

Still extremely inactive gameplay… No likey.

Makes me think of Signet of Resolve on guardian, which is pointless for actually clearing condis.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/473/feature/10104/Guild-Wars-2-Its-Hammer-Time-The-Scrapper-Engineers-Elite-Specialization.html

How cool would that be to have that back!

Ashkew.6584:

1 error/mistake, in syntax or logic, in a line of code can make a client crash

Compilers do that for you.

All this is in my opinion, is that they are not checking their versions and keep reintroducing the same bug from old data.

Not following the process of rolling out updates to software.

How ANET? HOW?

Do you BOTHER with QA whatsoever?

EVERY kittenING PATCH since the 23rd. God ANET.

shion.2084:

I still have odd canceling effects when trying to use big ol bomb, orbital strike and fire bomb combinations

Yep, still an issue.

Atlas.9704:

Though I understand, in part, what they are trying to do; I cannot agree with the time gate established with this patch.

They basically want to stop quick key farms. Okay I get that, and I even saw something like that with this whole level 10 requirement for the Personal Storyline start.

They should change it to one a day, like many have stated, because there are people who level up various characters. I personally have at least 4 who aren’t even up to Orr in the Storyline, yet they are level 80 and have at least made it to Fort Trinity.

Doing this doesn’t really encourage me to complete multiple characters’ stories so quickly. Then again that might also be ANet’s plan, but if so that’s a cold way to do it.

Back to the key farm issue, I don’t see HOW it is an issue or bad thing. Sure there are defenders to this change. I’ve read some posts in reddit about that. How this is a gem item and farmers are bypassing to get a gem item with little hassle.

Truth is they aren’t. They are either using the stuff given to them via ANet (boosters, so many boosters) or they are using Tomes or other leveling bonuses ANet provides them, or they use in game things like Moa Haunches and play through to level 10.

All these things aren’t bypassing anything. The farmers put time in to get that reward, no different than someone grinding to get a pretty object or gold to purchase said pretty on TP.

If there’s another reason why key farming is bad, I’d love to hear it.

Exactly how I feel about it.

Time is being put it, its far from the most efficient farm and essentially suboptimal.

Its just more enjoyable for some.

I refuse to spend irl money on another form of terrible rng. I love farming them though!

Gotta nerf bltc key farming though. Who cares about balance?

So one a week?

Seems a bit much. One a day seems a lot more appropriate.
I have TONS of Tomes of Knowledge, what do I do with them now?

TainoFuerte.8136:

They’ve always been super slow. They “shave” then only shave once a year.

By “shave” you mean gut?

Invictus.1503:

A little late for this request. If it is AI based, they won’t be changing the entire design of the elite spec this late in the process just because you threaten to quit. lol

Don’t expect them to

Just venting

Nova Stiker.8396:

Jesus this gotten out of hand.

First off, going a condition team can be risky. A GOOD signet necromancer can just ROFLSTOMP your entire team while bunking mid point. Soaking conditions and spiking anyone they please.

At most Signet Necros can tank out 2 condition specs assuming the necro is a little more skilled. Nothing more.

Please I am begging you don’t make it AI ANET.

Laraley.7695:

There was no word about nerfing or not nerfing d/d ele,

WRONG. Grouch commented a while ago about nerfs incoming.

Warrior is weak to blinds, they have slow attacks and rely on CC setups for bigger dmg hits.

Eval.2371:

Yes and roaming condi mesmer relies on dire gear, condi duration food, perplexity runes. All of which are outside of the current pvp system. Aside from that particular build, condi mesmer is just as susceptible to being cleansed and dodged just like in pvp.

Its like we are not even playing the same kitten game!

One of 2 things is wrong wiht this, or both more likely.
1. You do not know what the word rely means.
2. You underestimate the condi spamming nature of condi mesmer. Some classes(hell most without gimping their own builds to hell) CAN not cleanse enough and as consistently as the conditions are being applied.

Alekt.5803:

What’s the issue guys? I can break a Diamond Skin with settler amulet. Just prepare a burst.

This hurt my brain…

Eval.2371:

In relation to the comment about wvw, most of this topic is about pvp but I will davel. The problem with conditions in wvw in application is a organized group can apply more conditions that possible to cleanse and stack up fast just from auto attacks let alone skills. A lot of the issue just stems from having more people. Which makes the application inherently unavoidable and un-cleanse-able due the sheer number of players with conditions outgoing. PvP does not have this problem because of the balanced numbers, the lack of condition food, certain runes, and lack of certain armor sets.

ROAMING is invested with Condi PU mesmers. Because it quite literally facerolls most other builds at this point. The exception is an extremely well played DD ele.
There is no balance in zerging, so it literally shouldn’t be discussed as its impossible to keep conditions on your enemy with so many possible RANDOM cleanses.

Embolism.8106:

My point is if you don’t even know what you’re talking about (as the quoted poster proved) then chances are your complaints are more a reflection on your own skill rather than whatever you’re accusing.

And this thread talks about MMR. That means it’s about sPvP, not WvW. Wait, you’re the OP so you should know.

Well aware. But the poster you quoted is NOT wrong. He used condi mesmer as an example which IN CONTEXT might have been wrong. The POINT is still there and NOT incorrect.
You just chose to nitpick and call L2P, because you know? thats the cool thing to do.

Embolism.8106:

That sounds like you’re talking about Condi Mesmers. Let’s look at Mesmer autoattack condi application…

Ether Bolt: 2s Torment (it tickles). Ether Blast: 3s Torment (stop that!). Ether Clone: nothing.

Winds of Chaos: 33% chance 7s Bleed (yawn). 33% chance 1s Burning (wow so OP). 33% 5s Vulnerability (I am undone!).

I think you’re very confused. 10 stacks of Confusion and Torment simply isn’t going to come from a Mesmer’s autoattack, Mesmers don’t even have Confusion on autoattack. What happened is you ate a few full Shatters, one of the most obviously telegraphed and easily avoidable bursts.

Yeah, the more I read this thread the more I’m convinced (not that I wasn’t already) that this is mostly a L2P issue. The people complaining about condi builds don’t even know what’s going on.

STOP calling L2P. kitten its the most toxic and frustrating terms in existence! Broken kitten record.

Are you DENYING that Condi mesmer is too strong? Has too much free pressure with ridiculous amount of defence?
Because if you are, i think you might have a problem.
I personally dont care for it because condi mesmer has no cap presence, that does not mean the build is way to strong though. WvW is invested with condi mesmers.

style.6173:

Engis are actually pretty weak at the moment. The one exception is a rabid burn spec which takes no skill and yet is quite effective.

Uh… No… just no…

Aeolus.3615:

Well for some this 3-5 seconds combats are being awesome…..just get in the flow and play what is super efective, balance will come if every one “forcedly” plays those specs.

I am not referring to just the power creep.

So PvP is still a mess.
Wasn’t there gonna be balance patches every 2 weeks?

We had ONE minuscule balance patch and a few bug(extremely little) fixes.

Did ANET expect to drop such a massive patch and NOT balance?

I think they should either have done it properly or left it to release with HoT.

Eval.2371:

GrandHaven.1052:

I don’t disagree at all.
The mechanics behind stacking that much burning so quickly is whats ridiculous.

So let me get this straight; just for the record:

• Your complaining about condition damage.
• You continue to rely on a single form of condi clear that you have already established to be unreliable.
• You expect condi players to not be a threat when not taking tools to deal with them.
• You dont think that players should be allowed to climb the ladder because they use condition damage.
• You refuse to take any advice on various skills to cleanse conditions.
• You blame high ping for delays in skills and use this as a reason not to use the above skills.
• You agree that stacking up condi takes time. Which means you have time to cleanse it.
• You expect anet to change the flow/balance of the game because of the above.
• You expect to do well in a competitive game mode with no reaction time, foresight or adaptability.

Seriously, my self included people have given you some solid advice. You refuse to take any of it. I don’t know what to type or say anymore other than good luck.

I appreciate the advice, but you are still missing the point.

The potential dmg on burning from ONE stat is too high.

UmbraNoctis.1907:

I have tried to recreate this situation and noticed that hits from the turrets don’t proc IA. So crate counts only as one hit and can apply max. 5 stacks of burning (2 from IA, 2 from IP, 1 from flame turrret, which hits 1 second after crate was dropped). Guard F1 only adds one single stack. You must have been hit by other attacks too (most likely Blowtorch and maybe something else).
Crate was actually a huge waste, just to kill a single thief. 2x IA + Blowtorch + some other (auto)attacks can stack 15 stacks. It requires some timing to apply IA 2x consecutively and it takes a few seconds to reach this amount of burning. Enough time to react and only the 2 stacks from IP are (sort of, not even fully) passive and unavoidable.

Also rabid amulet does not necessarily mean tanky build. Most survability comes from traits and skills, not from defensive stats. Rabid offfers only high armor but low health (rabid engi has less hp than your marauder thief). A engi who completely focus on “burn burst” is pretty much only a “one-trick-pony” with high cooldown on the burst (which can be easily cleansed by most classes) and far from great survability.

I don’t disagree at all.
The mechanics behind stacking that much burning so quickly is whats ridiculous.

choovanski.5462:

GrandHaven.1052:

choovanski.5462:

GrandHaven.1052:

choovanski.5462:

if you had used shadow step it would have saved you

Didn’t have a chance to step back for the removal.

it doesn’t have a cast time. shadowstep > return > dodge roll > stealth > backstab, could have been a good manoeuvre.

240 ping is a quarter of a second. Not quite the best of reaction time is possible.
Besides its beside the point of what i was trying to get accross.
Too much passive dmg in too little time with tanky builds promoting unskilled play.

I play on 200 ping also. I’ve had 14 burn stacks from guards and cleansed them with abilities that have cast times.

you aren’t really sure what hit you, but it seems like an Engi and a guard with crate out of stealth. you goofed your condi clear and died. you claim too much damage, well it was two people- but here’s the thing you could have avoided most of the damage with condi clear. still, you did get attacked by two players out of stealth… and they burnt elite skills. that should kill most people, 2v1 stealth burst is hardcore.

The guard didnt engage on me.

choovanski.5462:

GrandHaven.1052:

choovanski.5462:

if you had used shadow step it would have saved you

Didn’t have a chance to step back for the removal.

it doesn’t have a cast time. shadowstep > return > dodge roll > stealth > backstab, could have been a good manoeuvre.

240 ping is a quarter of a second. Not quite the best of reaction time is possible.
Besides its beside the point of what i was trying to get accross.
Too much passive dmg in too little time with tanky builds promoting unskilled play.

choovanski.5462:

if you had used shadow step it would have saved you

Didn’t have a chance to step back for the removal.

GM and below status doesn’t matter anymore, its about competing traits.

Although yes it doesn’t make sense.

Another class able to abuse burning? I think not.