Guild Wars 2

Kidel.2057:

It seems that if a class gets a oh-weapon then something is added to the mechanic, while if a class gest a 2h-weapon the mechanic is replaced by a similar one.

Exactly, and personally i think this doesn’t make any sense at all.

- Reaper GS in its current form is pretty much useless and still the entire specialization should be weaker (compared to specialization that get an OH weapon) to compensate for it having 3 more skills.

- Even if mesmer Shield would be absolute trash (which it isn’t), there are still a bunch of weapons that have been used for years and won’t suddenly stop working once you pick chrono.

Since The Pledge is bugged, this doesn’t fall under balance.

Dragonhunter loses its old virtues and ele kinda temporarily trades one of its attunements for a new skill. So far only mesmer gains something new for free and there are already discussions over in our forums.

Change CS to be 1s per illusion/self and make the mesmer invulnerable for the whole duration. Since CS has a longer cd than Distortion, it would probably be balanced (might need to exclude elite skills from the reset to prevent double Moa etc).

Maybe change the skill to only revert on 2nd activation and remove the forced revert after the rift is destroyed or the buff runs out to make it usable for jukes.

That’s exactly what i mean. It’s our elite, a fairly long cd skill with utility character and not to be spammed in combat.

CnD and BP + HS give thieves constant access to stealth in combat and our stealth used to be a utility with Decoy, Massinvis and maybe Torch depending on build, all on kinda long cds compared to the stealth they provide. But with the new PU + (bugged) Pledge those skills no longer have utility character but are getting spammed between bursts.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toss_Elixir_S
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toss_Elixir_X
Also smoke fields for stealth combos.

Engi moa doesn’t last long, so #5 and one or two dodges make you evade basically the whole duration.

This sounds pretty awful, to be honest…

They should just revert The Pledge to -20% and PU to +1s (buff Massinvis and maybe Veil base duration if you want). Increase the duration of buffs provided by PU to make up for the lost 30% on chaos and you’re set.

Long stealth is a thief thing and should only serve as utility for mesmer. Also, as long as we have portal, people will always complain about it (and, to be honest, you can’t plaster the whole SM with stealth traps).

Because you couldn’t just FGS a wall against human enemies.

PU on enemy mesmer basically makes PU mandatory for myself as a WvW roamer. Having PU reduced to +1s (or +33% so it’s still better for Massinvis) while maybe increase the duration of the boons it provides would increase the viability of other traits. I can still use Sword/Torch without PU, but Staff CI feels way more fun and active for me.

Leave my Warlock alone :O If PU ever gets the nerf it deserves, i will be running around with GS/Staff only and i’d like my staff to still do decent damage.

Pyro, i usually tend to respect you and your opinion but if you would have actually tested Chrono condi spam during this weekend you would know how absurdly op it is in its current state.

Also, this topic and iReversion/Chronophantasma are independent from each other and even then, most of my roaming builds play without DE, anway, and i have no problems bursting people down.

Because PvP is the only competitive mode there is. PvE doesn’t need to be balanced, since you are not competing against each other, so it should be ignored.

Except kits are part of the core engi and not its elite specialization.

I’m not necessarily against this, but Reaper needs something that makes people want to trait in it (which is NOT strictly superior to base necro). Having RS baseline would make the traitline in its current form kinda useless.

Esplen.3940:

Hammerguard.9834:

As I see it, there is just very little reason for a player not to take Chronomancer.

Except that, you know, you’re not taking a different traitline and we’re already hardpressed with our trait choices.

Actually, we are not, people just like to believe that. As condi, you only need Illusions and Power very much only wants Domination and maybe Dueling (although Chrono Illusionspam and baseline IP make DE far less mandatory).

And the current F5 CS still makes sense. Eles got 4 new, completely optional extra skills on F1-4. It’s an absolute upgrade w/o sacrificing anything. But if you use them, it has a shared cooldown with the attunement. F5 for mesmer is the same, it’s one extra skill. But if you use it, you use all your clones that can be potentially used for other shatter skills.

Except the Chrono traitline throws to many illusions at you, that you don’t know what to do with them, anyway. There is no real illusion “management” even if people like to believe that.

maeggle.6021:

Iavra.8510:

In my defense, i never add into 1v1s or 1vXs (with our people outnumbering).

:D suuure…

Anyways, can confirm: there are no good solo and group roamers left on EU Tier 1 to Tier 3. (seriosly… what is wrong with the kitten text filters?)

Should have read the whole quote, then. You guys are part of our target list :-*

Removing these is a good thing. No need to take a camp/farm some guards before hunting enemies just to be even on stats.

Now they also need to remove both +/- condi duration food.

There are no Adept/Master/GM “worthy” traits anymore. Since the trait revamp you always get full traitlines, so the only thing that matters is what traits are sharing the same tier.

If you would switch all Adept traits with all GM traits of one line, nothing would change.

Well, there are already some problems with how specializations are handled currently. For example, guardian’s F3 can be traited to break stun, but as a Dragonhunter your F3 isn’t instant anymore so it will break stun, but start its cast right afterwards an can be canceled for an effective 5s cd stunbreak.

No, it won’t. There just wouldn’t be an invuln shatter anymore. It would however, give Stability/Regen with BD and Reflect with MoF.

For builds, Chrono/Illusions/X is already a very good condi build with a flexible 3rd traitline.

With Power i’d either go Dom/Dueling/Chrono or Dom/Chaos/Chrono, depending on if i want more burst or sustain. Dueling/Chaos/Chrono is also a valid choice for shatter spam. As long as Mender’s Purity stays bugged i won’t touch Inspiration with a pole.

iReversion should be GM, then, to force a choice between it and Chronophantasma.

Honestly, Chrono could give no new weapons, heal, utilities, elite and F5 and i would still pick it over everything else because of 25% Movespeed, iReversion and Chronophantasma.

So you feel yourself tempted to use the Elite Well when going Chrono?

They could just reference Virtues by their generic names: “Justice”, “Resolve” and “Courage”.

I wouldn’t say Chrono is useless without a new shatter and only an offhand weapon (which i still don’t think should be an argument). The traits it offers are huge, basically supplying you with an unending stream of illusions and Alacrity giving you more frequent access to shatters the make use of them. Add Slow, which in itself is very powerful and the option to use other runes than Traveler and you have plenty of reasons to go Chrono even without a new weapon or F5.

This weekend i personally played Chrono and Reaper and fought against both Revenant and Tempest (i watched someone play Dragonhunter) and i think Reaper is so far the most balanced of them and other professions should be balanced according to it. I actually played against a very good ranger using a cleric build with shouts and taunt that i almost can never beat 1v1 with shatter and i won by pretty much spamming everything as a condi chrono.

I wouldn’t say i favor it, but it’s the easier solution seeing how hard this skill is to balance. So far i see 3 options:

- Drop F5, might need to change the traitline to compensate (though iReversion and Chronophantasma combined with Alacrity are already extremely strong).

- Let F5 replace F4. This makes Chrono more glassy, but allows for higher burst by resetting shatters etc and possible jukes.

- Keep F4 and F5. Now this is tricky, because it would still mean giving chrono a free skill, so the traitline would need to have a negative impact to offset this, like reducing the max illusion limit.

I think you’re missing the elite part of elite specialization. Your suggestions (remove Continuum Split) would turn Chronomancer into just another specialization line

So, you are implying that elite specializations should be strictly better than core classes, giving player who own HoT a clear advantage over players who don’t?

I love my mesmer and i’d like for it to be balanced, but if Chronomancer stays the way it is, i will either not pick it and continue playing core mesmer or switch to a different class.

It would be kinda bad if reaper were strictly better than base necro. Specializations are intented to give a choice, not to be a strict upgrade (leaving chrono aside for a moment, as i hope it doesn’t stay this way).

While guard and necro get more choice…

…how do you intend to change that if you’re suggesting taking away distortion?

You are contradicting yourself. Guard/Necro get the choice to give up their old DS/Virtues for RS/new Virtues, while Chrono currently gets a new class mechanic for free without having to give up anything (taking a traitline is NOT an argument, since every class has to do this).

Also, number of new weaponskills is not an argument, either, since the new weapons aren’t stronger than older ones (actually, so far they seem to be worse and thus irrelevant) and elite specializations work perfectly fine with only using core weapons.

Those virtues are actually not that good in a lot of situations, since they aren’t instant and you can’t savestomp/use them during Renewed Focus. Please don’t compare a trash specialization like DH with Chrono in its current state.

Also, like i already mentioned, Reaper and Guard give up their old class mechanics instead of getting additional ones. That’s how all specializations should behave.

And “having to use” the Chrono traitline is hardly an argument when you get to spam clones/phantasms like no tomorrow and get free 25% movementspeed on top.

I know they said it, but i don’t think it should be this way. F5 is something you get for free, no matter what build you are playing. They should instead make the new wells more powerful and give a reason to take them over Blink/Decoy.

Warriors have more weapons than any other profession, please give more weapons to mesmers.

I’d rather see every specialization work like reaper/dragonhunter and having to give up something/changing the class mechanic instead of adding to it.

apharma.3741:

Um which other elites remove something for their elite?

As far as I know the others have their class mechanics change (guard virtues, necro DS) but the basic functionality stays the same. Additionally guards keep the passive bonuses and the activated effects can become much stronger or at least stay the same depending on situation.

Tempest also gets overcharge added. Sadly I wasn’t in the beta so never got to test it. I know it’s bad at the moment but it could end up really good eventually. All added nothing taken away there and it’s arguably the strongest class atm.

So…why are you advocating taking away?

Exactly, reaper and guard give up their old mechanics for their specialization (in this case ranged shroud and instant virtues). DH virtue actives are stronger than the original ones but have way longer cds (except F1) and aren’t instant which hurts a lot.

I’m not an ele, so i can’t say much about them.

Using the number of new weapon skills as an argument makes actually no sense at all, since you are not losing your old weapons which are perfectly fine. In case of reaper, the GS is even entirely useless and might as well not exist.

Either that or just remove the F5 (i actually prefer this). It’s very hard to balance and very much op in its current form. Move speed and clone/phantasm respawn is (for me) already a very good reason to go Chrono. The added F5 makes it strictly better than base Mesmer.

Ok, so there is no reason to add them in the first place, right?

I might see Thrill of the Kill as an equivalent to Necros generating LF, but as long as it doesn’t work with the profession mechanic or buff individual skills, there is no reason to make something baseline.

For example: “furious speed: 100% chance to gain 10 s swiftness on critical hits. 10s recharge”
There is absolutely NO reason, why this should be baseline. It doesn’t synergize with the profession mechanic at all nor does it buff individual skills. It’s just a flat out bonus exclusive to the warrior profession that has no reason to be there.

Mental Anguish for GS + S/T, Power Block for GS/Staff (but i also take CI here).
That’s how i do it and it works pretty well for me.

In my defense, i never add into 1v1s or 1vXs (with our people outnumbering). Also, i generally never attack solo upleveleds (except they are rangers, then no mercy for you).
/edit: This goes for open field, if you are attacking one of our camps etc, that’s your fault. Also if you are part of a guild that has been declared target for this week.

I know i’m probably the only one of us playing this way, though.

No, Powercreep is bad, stop buffing everything until we can either oneshot each other or nobody ever dies.

Regarding the OP, this seems like something you randomly threw together in a minute. Except for the banner traits, none of these has a reason to be baselined.

Well, i didn’t actually test Revenant (i kinda liked it more without weapon swap), but it would have made sense for it to hit against stealth. So much for that.

That said, i also assumed to evade, so i’m not against it as long as it is balanced (yeah, i know…)

Keep in mind that this skill stays on target (in 1v1) unlike Pistol Whip/Blurred Frenzy and even hits stealthed enemies.

Don’t need to use PU, Nubu calls everything i play lame as long as it involves a GS ^^

Roaming is still alive. I die a lot to 4-5 mesmer/thief groups, but those are so bad that i often can either escape or kill a few before dying, so that’s fine for me.

Regarding PU: I would run CI, which is more fun, but i need the survivability, especially against other PU mesmers. They can nerf PU and CS, i would welcome it, but as long as that doesn’t happen don’t blame me for using it.

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

Mesmer F5 gets added on top of F1 through F4.

Ele overload gets added on top of attunements.

RS should get added on top of DS.

DH should receive similar treatment.

I’d rather see F5 removed, because it allows for insane condi spikes, but that probably won’t happen.

Reaper’s Shroud is very much the only reason why you are going Reaper, currently. Making it baseline would make the specialization kinda useless.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Chronomancer-GUI

Condi Chrono (Dueling, Illusions, Chrono) is pretty broken, i’ve seen bursts for 30+ confusion by pretty much spamming all shatters twice with iReversion.

F5 → F4 → F3 → F2 → F1 → F5 (or any other order, really, as long there’s F5 at both ends) while creating a new clone after every shatter is hardly counterable and puts the mesmer on 1 cd.

I would play Reaper for the Scythe only, running around in Shroud the whole day if i could.