Guild Wars 2

Agreed, Gandara is an amazing Server! At least get in contact and receive further details you will not be disappointed

Hule.8794:

And what achivements should it be?

500 Total Objectives Capped, 250 Total Objectives Defended. Or an appropriate number; the reasons behind it being although it doesn’t ensure skill and strategy, it will definitely ensure time spend playing World Versus World, and that’s what you want a Commander to be, guaranteed at least some experience, and skill comes with that.

Therefore for Commander to be turned on in PvE = 100g, to enable it in WvW you must get those achievements also as a prerequisite. And before anyone suggests it, kills don’t come into it, killing doesn’t show your leadership skills, it shows you’re good at duelling and building your profession.

WhiskeyJack.5839:

Yeah this was a brilliant battle by all sides involved! Impressive defending. One quick question, why were you so determined on coming up the southern stairs to get us? Thought you would of left bay through north east gate and flank us in south gate a lot sooner than you did.

Haha tbh, we weren’t eager to go up the stairs, only problem is with a force I mainly PUGs, it’s hard to control as well as you would like, on one occasion at least, a few people took it upon themselves to charge straight up the stairs and past a bit so as to chase a couple lone AG guys, at which point more followed, herd mentality, and we needed up all there and getting wiped

Despite a few blunders like that I’d be hold enough to say we did well xD

Indeed, I was there for 7:30 GMT till about 9:30pm GMT, was forced into leading half an hour before I had to go to a TS Meeting with some others, and quickly tried to pull our soldiers together; a surprising amount of my guild turned up at such short notice, and we played decently I believe, when I logged you guys had been pushed out of Bay completely and all siege was down you guys sure know how to pull out all the stops just before the end

It’s very hard in my estimation to fight [UNTY], [FURY], [KISS] (for a short duration), and [PX] at the same time! We wiped or did well against one of you guys, but then suddenly the other two were crashing in behind us, or from the side, so annoying getting hit at the last moment every time you guys are everywhere!

Also, [PX], whyyyy of all places would you move to our match up! :’(many Gandarans have now proceeded to commit suicide or have an emotional outburst from the strain and psychological effect of seeing another Piken guild again

I do remember you, better now than before – what I’m rather certain of though is that ÅÅ were a RoF guild or some such, not UW, well originally I mean.; I remember fighting them on RoF, a lot. Also the sense was not one of searching for glory, it was one that UW was broken, every day new trolls, every day more people not placing siege and not helping and not listening and answering back trying to be a smartass, etc.

Out of the guilds that transferred, we are the only one still going strong, we have significantly less numbers than you guys it seems, but still field about 30+ guys on a food day, and run relatively well organised. After telling the guild of the possibility of returning, it seems quite a few do not want to leave Gandara, I’m pretty sure the odds are against us moving, unless something happens very dramatically in the next couple of days.

Cruzyo, Saturday is much better for me, can we talk then? Same time

Heheh good to see you lot still fighting, a hat tip to Rob Fenwick, if you remember me

I think the main reason we as a guild were swayed towards moving from Underworld was the WvWvW environment, there were so many trolls, being unreasonable, trying to make life difficult and undermining every order/suggestion, etc. etc., also no one seemed willing to place siege weapons, to bother escorting Dolyaks, to settle their differences and work together, and a certain Russian was involved and jumped the gun. :P

Pretty sure from what I’ve read above that most all of this has been sorted out, and Underworld seems to have come a long way since I first stepped into the WvW battlegrounds at BWE1, and after my guild left a couple months after release

As a guild I like to think we’ve come far as well, about 30 [WvW] on TS for operations, rallying the server to TS, think most people we got was 63 at one point, mass organisation is very much effective! I think we’ve established ourselves as one of the more dominant large guilds on our Server, and gone on a journey into many different tactics, organisation, etc. it’s going well I think, despite recently a dispute that occurred, a little exaggerated and dramatic to my mind, but there you go

Anyways just wanted to say hi to you guys, probs don’t know who I am, but UW used to be the only Server for me, and I consistently wanted to return subsequent to moving, however was halted by the opinions of the other guilds that transferred, of which we are the only ones still active and going strong

What about you guys, how have you been doing in the last few months? When did ÅÅ transfer? O.o and how’s the general server attitude nowadays, improved or the same?

Probably not the right place to put it, but again just wanted to drop in and say hi, for those who aren’t thinking who the hell is this guy.

GBL was fun and very nerve-wracking today! 

It started with us trying to get our Guild through the queue, due to report that our Doppelgangers (:D) [WvW], and [KISS] were battering their way through Bay Inner; I got through the queue early, and with a total of 8 Guildies made my way to Bay, to find the inner wall at 10% and you guys fortified up top with Trebuchets firing. After some very very tense defending and sallies, classes coordinating and my fellow Commander organising our defensive siege, we were able to repair the wall a bit, then push you out, thanks also to the team of Guildies we sent for the Treb can always count on those guys!

Was very good to finally spar with you, I think [WvW] is the best tbh I think our guilds despite identical tags, focus on slightly different things, and any fight will be close between the two, as indeed it was keep it up, I was impressed by your battle prowess, seemed to keep disappearing at times we had a counter ready!

Probably my second favourite battle of the evening was at Bluebriar, where we got into the Tower just before they took it (breakout, KISS, we figured it was, were at the lord) and hid at the supply depot corner, then buffed and charged, not KISS, but to our surprise UNITY, when they came down, then bunkered down in the Lord Room and fortified our position, sallying out and returning at one point, until we finally took the buffed Lord down, then the Tower, then Commander Siegrazor very fun

I think the highlight of the evening was when we charged [KISS] in Bluevale Refuge, at which point we went in and after a bit of rendering we saw them all standing in the middle of the Supply Depot, waiting, I myself fail shadow stepped into the middle of them when I was downed, but kept on throwing orders – our guys reformed where I asked them to very quickly, healed up, buffed and charged, all together and wiped them, the entire time leaderless and with no one to follow best i’ve ever seen from a PUG group in all honesty!

P.S. What is it with you AG guys and flame rams? [KISS] have already used it twice against my group when I was leading, only the first of which worked, and at Bluebriar tonight when we came down to the Courtyard, subsequent to battering ofd [UNITY] and in the midst of fighting Siegerazor, there were 2 rams there, no one on them or anything, just there, you guys need to place them outside a gate you want to get into, mmmkay?

Good fights in AG Borderlands this evening , grabbed Bay but the situation proved untenable, Dzag [SC] you sure are persistent with your sieging loved the fight when you got into Outer first time, however afterwards you guys stretched our lines enough that we couldn’t recover to hinder you further, that last charge at Inner kind of reminded me of the Light Brigade heheh

A successful Golem attack on Garrison was nice, lost 2 alphas though out of 5 , donated from Gandara’s populace by volunteers think the next few hours were spent with people getting tired and leaving whilst we bounced back and forth stopping trebs hitting Garrison every time until Reinforced, with much pressure relieved and points maintained by [DL] who were fighting along side us

That’s when we met [KISS] again, had about 10 Guildies left, and in all a respectable 24 people, was 5 hours since we started, so good numbers there
I think building a Ram in the middle of a Guild Group is a new one, last I used the fire on an enemy it didn’t do over 1k dmg in any way, but coupled with that, a few skill blunders, the general lethargy and nerves, it went quite badly for us.

First time we’ve ever wiped to you guys, [KISS], albeit under those conditions, still annoyed at myself for letting it happen, but I’m probably in denial! Good work, unconventional siege placement and skillful utilisation of the terrain ended up with a repair bill for all of us Keep it up, though we will not let it reoccur so easily!

Grrr angry with you as well as myself now! Will be looking out for you guys on the battlefield

Another group we heard about was about 20 Aurora Identity Frauds, on GBL, we also heard XxX was there to stop you guys and FURY, but so would have liked to be there myself! Makes me grrr when I see a [WvW] tag amidst the enemy ranks!

There can be only one; prepare yourselves, [WvW] to meet the full fury of [WvW]!

Finally people who aren’t Pikeys!

I apologise to Aurora in advance for the many times I will call them Augury this match-up, as I already have around 10 times since reset.

Good fun at reset for the EBG team, held Valley for a bit and also SM, before I had to go Think mainly from Dzagonur it was [SC] Guild, kudos to you guys for some close shaves and good fights, if nothing else you guys are persistant

Looking forward to some good fights in the coming week, already had some all over AGBL, you guys certainly switch it up and never seem to run out of determination and soldiers, that said I don’t allow for pets/minions

hrkljus.1243:

Just wanted to say I’ve watched some Gandara WvW videos lately, and you guys seem to have a bright future ahead of you!

While you may not have so many guilds as us, from what I’ve seen in the video you’ve got ~50 people on your official TS which is something Piken never acomplished AFAIK, even though we’ve been encouraging it constantly (in fact, I don’t think we’ve gone over ~20 outside of meetings).
Don’t worry about easymode guilds leaving your server – these are the kind you (and everyone else) doesn’t want anyway. You’ve got your own organized guilds, and more will form as your WvW community matures.

Hold on till the end of the match, and trust me when I say we didn’t enjoy this matchup either. Good luck and have fun in the next matchup, hopefully we’ll meet again soon!

Indeed we have been making a big push on the TS front recently, seems the Guilds were just waiting for another to make the first move – about 4 hours after the first of the major Guilds joined, 2 others had channels set up – by now I think most every one of the more prominent WvW guilds are there, although there are a few stragglers, it’s all good progress.

We are also trying to spread it to the populace, my Guild at least has had success with this, we got a record of 54 in the GBL channel, which was awesome. Every time we leave after having fought for the night we always try to ensure they keep using it – not many listen I think, though certainly most of the channels have some in them recently, it sinks in for a few who can be bothered so we have maybe 10 record for people in a BL channel without a major Operation going on.

I think we are doing well there and improving, and even those not in there at all times will eventually all have a quick link to it.

Lastly would like to say, RG you guys hit like a tonne of bricks, and a lot of them – my hypothesis that you guys could do the same to us as siN was correct heheh, very much did not appreciate the many many super-golem rush at our Overlook though, whilst we were all puzzlin, kitten move to be fair :p

In all honesty wasn’t impressed by that, you guys are amazing fighters and could easily just waltz in there with rams and take it; to take the easy way out for less hassle just gives the impression of a lack of skil but instead a surplus of wealth, which we all know isn’t true in the slightest.

Grudgingly impressed with your combat skills, at least :/

MariuszGGG.3892:

sorry Immolator.. I do not like to read wall texts… just seeing our tag, read that phrase, and answered.

No problem – I know PX don’t have anywhere near that amount, what you have to understand us that on Gandara, Randoms are rarely organised, rarely get involved, and only a few know the basics, for example calling enemy numbers rather than shouting ‘PS here’, reporting which siege is where, if it is a guild group. Heck, earlier we had a bunch sitting at spawn trying to take a Golem through the LA portal

Snowstorm.3897:

Out of curiosity, how many guys did you have in there tonight? :O when we pushed at anza, I’d had tells of maybe 30, but more, and more, and more rendered. Its amusing, because I’d told my guys we were going there looking for outnumbered fights, maybe 20 vs 40, wasn’t expecting the kinds of numbers you guys threw at us ^^ For us tonight its mainly been 20 vs 60, we fought you in EB, then fought an AR blob of 60 in EB at umber for near on 5 minutes, then fought a constantly resapwning AR blob of 50-60 up at the north camp in AR BL for near on 10 minutes. Epic fights. That blob of yours was also more coordinated than the average zerg Eze, so props to you there, firmly handed our kitten to us at the anza vista. GG don’t fall into the same category of most of the other guilds on the server, we formed a few months ago, and only began properly raiding a few weeks ago, so these experiences definitely help us out!

Woot someone finally calls me Eze instead of Immolator !

To answer your question we had numbers fluctuating between 40-50, at no point did we go over 55 though

For guys who only formed a short time priorly, your reputation procceeds you I was both rather nervous and anxious when I saw you guys, it seemed to be well-placed as you genuinely are quite scary and painful, however quick response times and the right skills used at the right time always make a difference, even when the pain factor is high Especially in the case of The Battle of Anzalias Vista, which would have been difficult for you guys at any rate seeing as we were expecting you and preparing accordingly – the problem created also was that all of our energy was expended on you guys and the majority of the [SU] guys that ran in a few seconds later got through, though we chased them and minimised the damage

I also forgot to mention the actual battle inside Anza directly after, much kudos to our man that squeezed off that last Catapult Rock just in time, from all of the screaming, I took it that you guys were right behind us, about half of us actually made it to the Lord Room, but we eventually pulled it off, so much adrenaline and intensity is what I calm that; in particular the fear that about 20-30 GG are coming up behind you gobbling your people up – it’s kind of the factors that a) Will we be able to get enough people to effectively hold and defend and b) will we have enough time to mount a defense before they’re upon us!

And thanks, organised is what we try to go for more of a software guy than hardware though, for example my armour; I only got it last month (exotic for the first time) despite playing from Betas, headstart and having my Main up a week or so after headstart, and Commander a few weeks later.
So can’t go in-depth, heheh, no good wih spec’ing things and chaining buffs so you always come out with full buffs I can angrily demand the Randoms to use certain skills though, which I do

Snowstorm.3897:

Immolator.5640

EDIT: Also for the person that said they didn’t come across us at 22:00, heh we were well gone by 20:20 GMT, well I was at least, Unrelent and many others stayed to fight, I was the one leading and coordinating is all Commander Jaufan turned up by 9:00pm GMT tho, I don’t know how long he stayed, but he might have been there fighting you guys off

We’ll try and find you guys tomorrow then

Seems you got your wish this evening! xD
We run with rather large numbers, trying to get the Randoms together, coordinated and organised, with a bit of an education element in there hopefully the people that ran with us can learn and retain something from running around after a Blue Doritos all day.

AR didn’t seem to have a primary Guild, but again large amount of numbers, portal bombs, well timed rushes still took Durios in the end though, after a long tiring battle, towards the very end of which it was reported that 30 PX were hitting Mendons and the Gate health receding quickly; unfortunately we didn’t get there in time, literally just behind, in time to see, surprisingly, many GG guys primarily along with others, we thought we wiped you guys in the initial impromptu reform and charge manoeuvre, but you showed that to be far from true on that gate push, lucky our Guardians were awake to control the damage! After this we fought GG a few times more and SU a couple after that, think we got better at handling it and setting ambushes as we went along

Most memorable fights of the night probably include the [GG] push at our catapults attacking Anzalias, which was quite fun and worked well in our favour, choke points are brilliant; also capping Durios the first time and also the second, a ninja Guildies managed to survive with a portal and get us all up, despite most everyone else being on the other side of the map when it fell and he stayed in there.

Lastly probably fighting AR at Pangloss.
So many AR, I didn’t think we would be able to hold you, but through a resolute defense and digging in, then a group push we managed to wipe just over half and send the rest packing to Umberglade, though I don’t think you checked that we weren’t actually chasing but reviving our numerous dead and downed, quite fun indeed!

Thanks again for an intense evening, hopefully people haven’t gotten tired, bored and irritated with me posting a wall full of text every day!

Dranul.2094:

We’ve had campfires inside garrison, roasting marshmellows, inside a hole in the wall at garrison. Gandara were invited last week, but they wouldn’t come through the hole in the wall We even had fireworks!

As to the fishing trip with the french, was Fort Ranik rather than AR but close enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JC0L6hO20

Wait you guys do friendly stuff like marshmellows? Heheh I guess you can’t blame us from keeping our distance from you TUP guys, the arrow carts on the wall didn’t help create an amicable atmosphere either, that said I could be thinking of a different time…

Twinklefairy.6739:

I wasn’t qq-ing at all about numbers lol.
EDIT: To clarify. I know that overall in the zone, Piken has no less than you guys, if anything we have more now unless you have queues on all maps at prime time atm, and yes our numbers are more spread in guilds etc whilst you guys seem to prefer to have a main focal point (probably you most of the time on the map you’re on) for most to rally around. Was merely curious what setup you were on about with sIN being the only ones to wipe you alone.
I remembered you saying you were the commander behind the attack on bay the other day where there was a kitten load of you guys all at the north inner, and indeed we had to have a few guilds work together to get rid of you as you were just running too many for any of the 20 man guilds to wipe by themselves. So I assumed that was the setup you were meaning.

We are running approx 40-50 people generally when things get going, coordinating skills and communicating quickly, general tips and skills to be used, things to benefit allies, where incomings are, sentries ready for incomings, etc. etc. 45 doing all of these things are just as good as 25 doing all of these things, being spec’d for it via armour and gear, running nourishments and other consumables, chaining buffs at all times and generally having everything planned out beforehand; all I mean is that I’m pretty puffed we can compete with this with what is really only a PUG group, not even the same guys every time, we just go in and shout at the Randoms that happen to be there at the time, and we can achieve the same average level of cohesion and actual organised defense most of the time, it sure makes a change to getting steamrolled every 5 seconds alone by a Guild.

I’m sure you guys sometimes get the feeling ‘omg not again, they’ve rolled over me with 70 players, such zergers’, if not I applaud your above average integrity and stoicness – I know most of Gandara gets the feeling ‘here we go walking along the road with the commander, what’s that particle effe- kitten I’m dead and now they render, another Guild running around like they’re superglued together, oh well back to spawn, repair bill getting costly after the umpteenth time this match up…’
That was the general feeling I got from Gandara from Reset till a couple days after – as. a generally PUG driven server, the last thing we need is mass demoralisation, massacres and wide scale non-Redness on all maps to discourage them. I might come across as too happy and proud with everything but it’s just the first time I’ve had a lot of fun in a few weeks is all

Now on with the other thing, wanna see if the honourable PX and BF post anything, see if they were as happy with the fun battles as we were!

Twinklefairy.6739:

Immolator.5640:

Twinklefairy.6739:

The setup being the whole zone? ;P yes I’m not surprised RG and sIN the only ones that could wipe that alone.

Nah not the whole zone, more like about 70% of it, maybe less, working together as best we can and helping each other in any way possible Just in case you are, don’t qq about numbers, we had the same amount of guys as you, we just chose to have them together to accomplish things, rather than spread around in groups of 15 or so; we are less veteran, less specialised and wealthy troops, not to mention less organised, so we have a higher than average level of organisation, though not anything completely amazing, among many people (random pug people, mind) and thus increase effectiveness overall.

If we were all wearing the same Guild tag you would say we were good, however as that is no the case, we must be a ‘zerg’ and thus the only reason we win anything must be solely because we have greater numbers. <— this is not the way to see it, I am proud of our accomplishments, and don’t think the numbers are a dominant factor in who wins and who loses, I am proud that Gandara can come together like this, just the Random people you met 5 minutes ago and as far as you know just came for their last poi in the Augury’s keep, can pull together to achieve things, and put up a fight and have fun, despite the clear fact that we will never win this week, and second is looking bleaker by the minute.

Agonising and overbearing rant over, sorry if you didn’t mean any of the above, in either case this applies to anyone thinking that way; we do not mindlessly Zerg around with the whole zone.

I wasn’t qq-ing at all about numbers lol.

As I said, just in case, from the forum warriors I’ve seen in the first thread I’m kind of on edge, trying not to label you all but sarcastic comments are another thing that would come across as something that might occur, also I wanted to reiterate my point, seeing as you highlighted our play style as ‘the zone’, it is easy to assume you are either dismissing us or do not understand correctly.

I take zerging as an insult is all, your comment wasn’t exactly friendly and positive was it?

At any rate, my nervous breakdown + rant at seeing a sentence and loosely associating it to something I would find insulting due to an overwhelming sense of paranoia and borderline insanity, still stands as a point to players who have this opinion.

Twinklefairy.6739:

The setup being the whole zone? ;P yes I’m not surprised RG and sIN the only ones that could wipe that alone.

Nah not the whole zone, more like about 70% of it, maybe less, working together as best we can and helping each other in any way possible Just in case you are, don’t qq about numbers, we had the same amount of guys as you, we just chose to have them together to accomplish things, rather than spread around in groups of 15 or so; we are less veteran, less specialised and wealthy troops, not to mention less organised, so we have a higher than average level of organisation, though not anything completely amazing, among many people (random pug people, mind) and thus increase effectiveness overall.

If we were all wearing the same Guild tag you would say we were good, however as that is no the case, we must be a ‘zerg’ and thus the only reason we win anything must be solely because we have greater numbers. <— this is not the way to see it, I am proud of our accomplishments, and don’t think the numbers are a dominant factor in who wins and who loses, I am proud that Gandara can come together like this, just the Random people you met 5 minutes ago and as far as you know just came for their last poi in the Augury’s keep, can pull together to achieve things, and put up a fight and have fun, despite the clear fact that we will never win this week, and second is looking bleaker by the minute.

Agonising and overbearing rant over, sorry if you didn’t mean any of the above, in either case this applies to anyone thinking that way; we do not mindlessly Zerg around with the whole zone.

Good fights on EBG tonight, our run time ended at 9:40pm GMT, started a couple hours previously about, special regards and hat tips to PX of Pikey Square and BF of Augury

The fighting started sour for our guild, spread all over the place waiting for queues, then RG showed up and stormed us in the flank at Astral,( plz plz for the love of god tell guild names Gandara! We would have been hiding at Spawn within seconds if you had said RG instead of inc Zerg!)

Due to still not being able to get our guys in, we swapped to EBG, and after about 5 mins or so in the queue we got most of us in. After a few minutes saw how many PX, Piken and Auguries were there and decided to get the Randoms organised again!
After maybe 10 mins got people working together properly, enough to make an attack for Durios…

Best battle so far in the week in my opinion! Battering AR off from every conceivable direction, leading concentrated charges and calling defense skills whenever [BF] turned up; laying an ambush for PX in the form of an open wall and about 20 Randoms running inside, them steaming into their flank! Was hard fought, but we pulled it off after a lot of frantic shouting and fast typing, and we bagged ourselves Durios despite further resistance.

Amazing, truely, and again much compliments to the Gandarans we fought beside, truely inspirational playing right there, it is very fun to fight enemies that are in he same league as us xD

Lastly to BF, Gratz to you guys for being the first to wipe us! You guys have toooo mannnyy dam arrow carts! In our defense we kind of stumbled onto the whole in the wall and decided to clamber on up, only to die horribly, despite how close it actually was I think the only ones that have taken us on alone in this set up and won are [siN], though I have absolutely no doubt RG can do the same easily.

Thanks for the battles again, it was most fun out of all my time against both Servers I think xD and one of my Guildies frapsed it, so that’ll be nice to watch it really is the simple things like capping one Tower, that bring you such enjoyment the evening was looking bleak for [WvW] until we came to EBG, appreciation to you guys for spicing it up!

Keep fighting, good luck, and give ’em hell!

I would suggest, calming down xD WvW is no doubt one of the best gameplay features in GW2, if no the best!

It seems you are suffering from a lack of organisation on the part of both yourself and your Server – for just a couple:-

You DO place siege before enemies turn up, all you have to do is refresh it, go up and press F, and there you go, another 30 mins, also I hear it stays many hours should you hit an enemy with it.
Zergs do not run over Keeps, unless they are extremely good – I have a feeling you are talking about T1 Keeps rather than the normal fully upgraded types.
I have never seen 2 dozen mindless people take a Tower, 24 people is nowhere near enough to take down a T3 Tower, they will shatter on the defenses…
Death is easier to avoid if you gear yourself up correctly, work with team mates, and know your class, anyone of any class, provided playing well, can beat another
Dolyaks are always decent, we protect ours, and upgrade camps, that way they double supply runs and the Tower upgrades quicker.

I believe your Server is probably too geared towards PvE, not caring enough about WvW to excel, and you have low population, along with either a surplus of moronic Commanders or a lack of any, a good one can make all the difference!
Try WvW on a higher tier Server, I would suggest either Gandara (though taking a beating this week) we have a high resolve and determination level, and a lot of good players despite a lot of Randoms running after the next Karma giving event; or Piken Square, which is comprised mainly of many Guilds that know how to fight, along with the best Guild I have seen as of yet on GW2, Red Guard, they hit like a freight train. Although I’m not entirely happy with the attitudes of certain Forum Warriors, there is no doubt they are very good at what they do, which is Strategy and coordination.

Ye

SabreWalrus.8647:

GG was in the ARBL for the first half of the night, went to GBL for the second half but we mostly fought with the french at the southern end :) Don’t think I’ve come across a [WvW] warband yet, but seen many of the players about. Hope to meet you soon ;)

Heheh you wouldn’t have come across us as a Guild Warband, well it’s unlikely – for the past 6-7 days we’ve been running like that and roaming around, we can take on and win against a fair amount of Pikey Guilds, but never against the higher ups like VII, RG, siN etc. recently in this match up the most notable thing we’ve achieved as a guild was whisking the Randoms up into a frenzy yesterday and today and increasing their organisation to our level, which although quite low compared to all of you full spec’d and nourishment wielding guys, makes a decent impact between 50 players or so ;D

Other than that last Friday we ninja’d AR Garrison despite having 20+ people, and then taking Hills, far less subtlety, but it was still a thrilling to see the map painted Blue :) also the adrenaline rush of hoping they don’t see you ninja-ing with that many people, when you are at Inner… It’s relatively intense, although not as much as today and yesterday :)

EDIT: Also for the person that said they didn’t come across us at 22:00, heh we were well gone by 20:20 GMT, well I was at least, Unrelent and many others stayed to fight, I was the one leading and coordinating is all :) Commander Jaufan turned up by 9:00pm GMT tho, I don’t know how long he stayed, but he might have been there fighting you guys off :D

Okay obviously you guys didn’t like my entire Gandara pulling together to form a resistance idea; [TUP], [VII], [DT], [SU], [siN], [HoB]… overkill much? xD Think all we were missing was Red Guard and Boon Control… (not sure about GG, they had a fair amount of people, but not sure was just random or not)

At any rate, again good fighting today everyone, my particular hours were 4:00pm GMT till about 8:00pmGMT – it was incredibly painful, you guys know how to coordinate to each other, that’s for sure! So many Guilds, my repair bill and downed penalty was quite high after and during those fights respectively.

I think we held our own pretty well though, didn’t lose anything at least although on the offensive we didn’t get as far, mostly due to what I am convinced of atm, you guys were EVERYWHERE! Especially good was the fight at Bay Inner, I enjoy trying to organise groups of Randoms, in order to get something done, and I’ll say that I am incredibly proud of the fighting spirit and battle prowess of the Eze-dubbed ‘Uber-Blob’. Moreover I think we fought and wiped many of your guilds at different times, most notably [siN] twice, which I am incredibly pleased with – you guys roll around like one of those kill balls from Halo, insta-death basically, can’t count the amount of times I was shouting down the line at my fellow Gandarans to stay the hell away from you guys!

Hoping for more fights tomorrow, although it’s likely [WvW] won’t be rolling out until later in the evening, curse you weekdays!

Thanks again gentlemen, and other assorted creatures I hope you guys found it as challenging as we did ;D

Amazing battles this evening!

So inspiring to see what Gandara can pull together to achieve, after you give them a good kick up the backside! After such a low amount of progress In GBL, only capping a Tower and getting wiped every other minute by VII and BOON, as I understand it, it truly made my day to see all of the Randoms pull together and fight as a group – achieving capping and holding Garrison (which was an awesome battle btw) and the Northern Towers, wiping both of the aforementioned Guilds repeatedly

I know I’ll probably get the ‘you guys had like a bajillion players, or at least 50’ excuse, so will address it now – It’s true! At one point we had 60 players, took ages to count them all, and they wouldn’t stop moving, but yeah. It wasn’t so much having 60 players, it was the fact that they were actually working together effectively as a group, and actually putting in the effort to communicate and listen to orders, not to the same amount of efficiency as you guys, but with more players comes less need for organisation, though we definitely had some in there

I’d like to send my regards to my fellow Commander Hedvig, for also leading and having and awesome laugh, and every single Random who participated at that point – moments like these, that we all come together to achieve something, make me truly proud to be a Gandaran.

Thanks for the fights VII, BOON was very much enjoyed, and we took pride in actually winning for the first time in what seems like decades, until you guys called siN to save you… (yes I know that that’s probably very far from the truth, but it makes us feel better about ourselves to think it xD and also the last thing we need is more demoralisation right now, as a Server – again, thanks for tonight guys, great fun, hopefully you can see I’m joking about some of this, please don’t kill me!)

Salutes

browolf.3825:

Immolator.5640:

Commander Ezekiel The Adept
Leader of Underworld Battalion [WvW]
Proud Soldier of Gandara

Your name rings a bell…didn’t you used to be on Underworld?

I did indeed And I miss it greatly… didn’t really want to leave tbh, but then Russians got involved, etc. etc. and then there I was :P When I did go back out of nostalgia and homesickness, there was no one there I recognised, and the only ones who recognised me were saying I was a traitor and this that and the other :’( hence I am still on Gandara.

Heheh not much my zerg control can do against a bunch of people all on voice comms and coordinating skills and classes though – Randoms don’t tend to listen well…

Nice to see someone remembers me (hopefully for the right reasons)
From Me

Phule.1968:

Amadeus.5687:

So, right now me and my guild mate’s fra [NFF] was defending Greenbriar in Gandara borderlands! Really good time’s with the red Gandara, when suddenly, out of nowhere, a little AR group fly into the tower some how, all from the guild [LDF] (Larmes do Feu), and cap the tower while we are busy defending the gate (shame on us for not looking at lord room), but still. So, this look like hack to me, and I can send some screenshots (Anet don’t want us to post SS about stuff like that here).
Anyway, any know this guild, or is from it, that would care to explain what you just did before we report the entire guild for hacking?
Edit: We got Video footage of the mesmer flying in as well, one my m8’s was frapping the defence

It’s not like they are gonna confess about it so just drop a link to the video on A-net’s h4XxorZmail and let em judge it instead.

I would’ve thought he put in case they defended themselves or anyone knew if they had any history with these kinds of incidents, the former would occur definitely if they were innocent, and it’s very unlikely no ones knows their track record, therefore it’s reasonable to search for more information before calling ANet.

As for [LdF], I have not seen them do this kind of stuff before, but I have only seen and fought them a couple of times; the only pattern I can see is they like to sneak into Keeps through the breaches of your siege rather than their own…

Raeyne.5086:

I’m shocked and appalled by the behaviour I’ve seen in these threads over the past couple of weeks. Theres been minor misunderstandings and issues long since passed that have been dug up from the grave over and over or been taking well out of proportion because one side wants to seem like they take the moral high ground. On another day, Gandara and Piken Square could have been like brother servers with fantastic battles and good feeling on the forums.

I won’t be foolish enough to call any person or server out on being completely innocent, everyone plays their part. I would like, however to apologise to piken square for the baiting and accusations that have been flung your way over these passed days. You’ve played well, fairly and admirably, and have outplayed us on most turns. You’ve earned your reputation and deserve to keep it. Before anyone brings up any alliance talk again, that was discussed, dealt with, answers and apologies given, and dead and buried literally last year.

I am disappointed to see many names of people I play closely with continuing the bad feeling in this thread. I hope we can look past all of this ridiculous scenario and be more friendly with each other.

Pride is both a wonderful and terrible thing. If you attack people’s pride in their play and their loyalty to whatever it is they’re loyal to, be it family, friends, down to things like employers or even server worlds on a game, the attacked will defend it. You can’t throw derogation towards people, don’t expect them to just sit there and go ‘Ok, yeah, cool!’ because that is not how the world works. It’s just adding fuel to the fire, and to be honest, that fire shouldn’t even be there in the first place. Now we’re just burning bridges for no reason.

Moving on from that, tonight was an interesting night in Gandara borderlands. We found ourselves at a loss when attempting to take back DB for a large portion of the night, even though piken square were outmanned for the majority of the evening. Between TUP, EXE and another guild with 2 letters… UL? Not sure on that last one, attempt after attempt to take the bay was met with with a forever increasing repair bill. We did manage to take the bay at around 11, but somehow we lost it again within minutes! The great Gandaran Zerg was met with some fantastic team work and navigation from the Piken Front, and we were not prepared for that level of play!

I take my hat off to commander eze and his guild on our server for a stellar job tonight, and those from my guild who supported Gandaran borderlands. We pushed hard and against a formidable enemy, and held well. It wasn’t an easy evening, and everyone worked hard together!

Let’s enjoy the rest of the week, and fight well. If I saw a stop to the trolling and the baiting, and Ill feeling in this thread from this post on, it would make the start to 2013 much nicer for me, and everyone else involved. Peace and love guys? Make war, not arguments.

And I take my hat off to every random person that followed me and helped tonight (long list, better keep the hat off for a while) and although I still don’ t agree with some things, I’m willing to try to be nicer and more lenient, it’s just annoying and infuriating when I see people unjustly accused and insulted sometimes, I feel I should support them…

I’m willing to put it all behind me, at least on the forums – might need the anger for a last push style offensive at some point – are you guys okay with that?

The way I see it is we can stop being chiding, insulting, sarcastic and irritating to one another, try to discuss things and be polite and adult, forget everything prior to this that has been posted, and continue, having turned over a new leaf, so to speak; either in a new threadto wipe the slate clean, or from a certain post onwards.

What say you Piken? Show us why you guys were voted friendly server stuff, forgive, forget and be polite; and I will endeavour to my utmost to secure a mutual respect from my fellow. Gandarans. What say you?

Snowstorm.3897:

And so the trolling continues. I had made some constructive posts in this thread, compared to last week, trying to deflect it from this kind of outcome, but alas, some people are too dull minded to avert themselves from this kind of petty behaviour. Thats at both sides here, not just Gandara.

All I’ll say, is the only 2 servers to ever really have an issue with Piken Squares forum attitude, was Elona Reach, who have an issue with everyone(the german boards are quite legendary in their trolling from Elona), and now Gandara. The other 18 or so servers we’ve faced had no issues apart from maybe a few reports of bug-using, and hacks, which every thread has. So, its a problem with Piken Square? Does the logic behind that really seem sound, after the facts I just stated? Hmm. And like Wam said, we didn’t have people repeating Gandara’s opinion of us in the WvW thread about favourite opponents. It was about a friendly attitude, skilled guilds, and good community.

Whether Gandara like it or not, and want to continue shouting to the heavans that we’re lowlife dogs, as I think one troll put it, it is not an opinion shared by really anyone else, except a zergy german super server. I’m quite proud of the fact that Piken Square has an excellent community, that continually wants to work together to improve itself. Its how we managed to get from T8/9 to T3 with hardly any recruitment whatsoever. Christmas/New Year hit us a lot harder than we imagined it would, and really only a fool from any of the servers would try and justify saying that everyone was hit equally over the holidays. We’re hoping to recover, regroup and continue where we left off before the Elona week.

If any WvW guilds from either server see GG raiding with a full zerker thief commander, give me a wave o/

Regards

GG

I was not trolling, I stated the opinion from some Gandaran’s point of view, go and read my post, I was being completely honest, and not in any way aggressive, only stating what I believed to be true or the impressions being given to us as a Server, or what I feel them to be.

Alike to what I feel here, that all of you are dismissing us out of hand as ‘trolls and baiters’, as if we are sitting behind our keyboards laughing at you, and putting things down with the direct intention of provoking you; we are NOT out to get you.

You need to stop being so paranoid…

SabreWalrus.8647:

Immolator, the aggression in your post is what I’m talking about.

We typically come to forums to share our experiences of good fights, thank our opponents, and have some friendly banter. I don’t see much, if any of that from Gandara. Unfortunately, it appears that much of the baiting has worked and here we have vile threads that I’m not interested in.

You can throw some at me about some alliance and about Piken’s bad image, but I’ve come back from being away over the Christmas period and this is all I see. I wasn’t involved, and I don’t care. Grudge-holding always confuses me because it’s a lot of wasted energy to consciously remain angry at something that is passed. And here, we are talking about a video game on the internet.

Chill out. Please. Just have fun.

Sorry but ‘I’ve never seen a server full of such whiny baiters on forums as Gandara.’? Don’t talk to me about aggression mate… I don’t come in here to be told about aggression from you guys, I feel exactly the same about you, start from the beginning and read every post; you guys are the whiners.

I don’t know whether you guys are just ignorant or are really that hypocritical…

SabreWalrus.8647:

I’ve never seen a server full of such whiny baiters on forums as Gandara.

Regardless, much love for AR from me as always We’ve been matched up many times now and always have good memorable fights. Had a lot of fun when I was online earlier/yesterday, especially when you arrived at Quentin just in time.

So go cry and form an Alliance about it; you guys give your Server a bad name…

Gandara is a ‘Very High’ population Server, at least 30% of our forces are made up of people running around trying to get PoI’s, telling Commanders to go take Piken Lowlands Keep, because they need a vista in there – the point is we have many many people probably, and as such some will be playing at most any time, the ones who make the difference however are the Commanders, who can turn unorganised rabbles of PvEers into a decent fighting force (note the word decent instead of good) if any of the good ones or relatively not bad ones are online, then that’s why we would be doing any good…

Your smaller servers however, comprised of guilds who all know each other irl, will surely be out having New Years parties with one another; this is another point.

It’s not our fault, there isn’t a map called the ‘Eternal’ Battlegrounds for nothing, you know… There will always be Randoms doing WvWvW at any given point, not always that many, but they generally stick around when a Commander is there to stick to.

Moreover, your first line there, which I feel is typical of most Pikeys on this Server, is why the general attitude towards you by some players I’ve seen talking about it, is that you are arrogant, whiny, lowlife dogs.
I am not saying I share this opinion, however you guys need to check what you say so as to not feed the growingly negative image of your Server, else you’ll be stuck like that forever.

Alright firstly don’t go pointing accusations at my Guild without consulting me, first… I am not aware of any Alliances or Truces or anything that would stop me from attacking Piken anywhere, in fact just before I logged off for the night, our Guild had very nearly taken PS Garrison and had taken PS Hills…

Whoever is saying this, I’ll either talk to them, tell them it’s not on, and resume slaughtering Pikeys left right and centre, or slaughter you for lying. Certainly I’ve never spared Pikey some death and destruction in EBG priorly…
Also in either case, because we’re on the same server, you come to ME and talk to me before you go saying things about my Guild behind my back on the Forums, you wait until the morning then shout your head off at me if need be. Confirm things and look into them before you report to the public and other servers things said in passing – for all we know he/she could have just meant we should be focusing AR atm due to the score difference…

Only an idiot would be looking out for things said in team chat, then quickly run to the forums thinking ‘omgomgomg look what this dude said, quickly I must post it!’ without checking anything beforehand; I am/was pretty sure you are/were not an idiot.

At any rate as soon as I get on tomorrow, which I won’t be for a bit, because I fit my new motherboard, I will personally have words with both you and whoever this guy way, Belladonna.

I’d also like to say I had amazing fun last night one of the best groups of randoms I’ve ever had the privelige to lead… So much so that I couldn’t tear myself away till 2 in the morning!
And to AR crew in EBG last night; You guys are so determined! Who knew you could have so much siege pointed at SM?! Seriously if I had a silver for every time a player reported AR siege pointed at SM, I could have another Commander tag by now! Keep up the fighting guys, love your determination, but stay away from SM, mmkay? Me <3 SM.

Now time to log in, and see if we’ve lost the place, it’s always annoying when you log in and the fort you’ve spent so much time defending and so much money upgrading is gone, it’s just horribubble.

Keep up the good work you guys, and stay away from SM!

Just thought I’d share my opinion.

Piken, AR, you guys should be ashamed of yourselves... grovelling at the feet of your enemy is never an option, and I see both of you as lesser opponents because of it; your actions this week have pretty much settled that disrespect for you in my mind and many others - plotting and planning with an enemy the demise of another is where I draw the line... you crossed it. The actions of your Commanders have done this, to whoever says that it wasn’t them, and your Commanders represent you, every Pikey is the same to me, I kill them either way, every Frenchie is mutually shot at, and you may all sense a feeling of communism and equality as I hate (and in the same way, like) you both equally.

Another thing , Pikeys, Tortun Buz, is one of the most upright, gentlemenly, amicable and friendly people I have ever met, he is greatly understanding, and respects everyone, and in my opinion is a great asset to our server... If you have done anything to make him in the least, hostile or aggressive towards you, you should know you have done something deeply wrong... Even I, after all of my time trying, have not been able to garner an inkling of aggression from him; you guys must have messed up big time.

Also, in all honesty, if this is what the Higher Tiers are like, I’m pretty sure I don’t want to be here, there’s a general atmosphere of arrogance, derogation and intimidation, that just isn’t right. I’d rather be back where Gandara started than deal with insults and petty jibes, alliances formed to pull each other down... it reminds me of the Sith (sorry i’m a SW fan) and what you guys have done is broken the Rule of Two, and are scrabbling over each other for the combined strength to pull down another.

If this is High Tier, I pity those stuck in High Tier...

Oh and Torty, don’t let them lose SM, will you? It took ages to Upgrade that place....

Asura out.

The question of what needs to be done in order to ‘earn’ Commander is in my opinion a simple one, but then by that opinion by now 99% of Commanders haven earned it – that said, I think people can earn it by the deeds they do after as well, though they need to work that much harder in my eyes.

On Underworld, I worked tirelessly to lead from the start, BWE1, and from then built up a Guild of some rather amazing people in my opinion, but basically I led without Commander, it’s not that hard once you figure it out, I did it for at least a month and a half before I got Commander, and that effort did really get appreciated… In the end people sent me donations because they liked my leading, and that is the story of how I got Commander; Randoms mind, not just my Guild.

The effort I put in every single day did pay off, I was a celebrity on the server pretty much, and people kept telling me in Team Chat and Map Chat that they are tired of people pining for ‘Eze’ during the weekdays
Those are back in the days though, I would probably give a lot to go back to them, throughout different circumstances, incidents and accidents, involving Russians and Minecrafting and a man that slew grog, I ended up on Gandara Server, alone and unrecognised apart from my Guild and a couple others, both of which dissipated some time after. I’ve built up my standings since then, and might be a bit hopeful in thinking we’re now recognised as a significant Guild and force.
Still think of those as the good old days, I still scowl when Random commanders turn up, all silent and toting Legendaries and cultural tier 3s – my thoughts are, lead priorly, make an effort, always get involved, and communicate, listen and learn.

For me that effort and initiative beforehand is very very important; make an effort before turning up with your badge and expecting everyone to how before you.

Sorry for giving you my life story just had to get it out
it’s also sad that whenever I’m mentioned on UW, well at least from a month ago, people call me coward and betrayer I’d like to point out to those who believe this, A) I always tried to do the best by UW, but when that focus left, and things became near unbearable, and overeager Russians got involved… Well that’s when it fell apart -I wanted to go back quite a lot, but when I went, everyone was gone and It was the Russian’s fault!

If you find it too hard or challenging leading or helping out without the Badge, I suppose you can prove yourself with amazing tactical victories and exploits with it on Back on UW just after release was a lot different I suppose, pretty much because Commanders didn’t exist

I would still say that any of these voting + influence ideas will just be boycotted by big guilds – you don’t have to be a ‘good’ commander to have a gaming guild that used to be large in wow or swtor or some other such non-gw2-y game, or just having the most people period, as of spam messaging etc.

You have to have Total Objectvies Capped somewhere in there, this means that the potential Commander has put in his/her time and effort for his-her Commander Icon – you are guaranteed experience if nothing else, and it gives people something to work towards – most all random egotistic dudes will take a hike well before they has to put in work towards acting high and mighty – that said, if you put in enough work and keep putting it in, i suppose ‘tis justified, until it gets to the point of putting down others for no good reason, but I’m ranting now, so yeah…

Mikitten058:

Only thing I can think of is there are flaws in all suggestions.

Attacking objectives: th eplayer could just run with a mindless zerg.
Defending objectives: the player could just go to a highly attacked location and stay there. (And not get experience in the field.)
Voting: guilds would make it popularity contests
Badges: Anything under 4000 wouldn’t be nearly enough. (With Jumping puzzles aside, since in 1 night I can make apx 70 badges like nothing.)

In reality people need to know their server’s commanders and know who they want to follow. Yes it’s not the best system, however each way that has been proposed has some sort of flaw as well as the current system. :x

The idea of the Attacking Objectives is safe tbh – just because everyone will get it eventually with a mindless zerg is fine – the thing it guarantees is experience, anyone who has a big ego will not just be able to go buy the thing, they will have to physically put in the time first, hence guaranteeing at least some experience. Also less egotistic trolls will be bothered enough to do it, problem solved :D To a point.

I am a Commander on Gandara Server, and though the 10 or so decent-ish Commanders work together, sort-of, there are still at least 20 random ‘PvE Commanders’.

The crux of the matter is that 100g is just a sum of money, obtainable from any number of places outside of WvW. Voting would be boycotted by Guilds, whoever has the biggest guild wins…
With the 100g, you are not guaranteed any amount of experience whatsoever, and thus what I would propose, at least for a start, is 1000 WvW Total Objectives Taken, to be eligible for Commander, it will root out anyone without experience, and maybe 100g on top of that, to make sure you are dedicated enough to spend money on it – hence spending out on top of the experience – trade for 1k badges if it’s more apt – but the basic concept is that you won’t be stuck with a random guy with absolutely no idea what’s going on.

The people who already have Commander atm who don’t have the 1k objectives should have it disabled until the requirement is met, at which point no further fees :P you have to work for it, not just turn up, flick the switch and expect everyone to believe in you completely, I mean, sure you have to get started at some point, but get started without the badge… I get annoyed at people who show up without so much as trying beforehand, so umm yeah…

The Objectives capped is much better than Realm Avenger tbh, being able to swing a sword doesn’t make you a good leader – also, that kind of infers you chase Invaders around all over the place trying to kill them, which is a rather bad thing for a leader to do imo.
Thoughts?

Ezekiel

I would like to contribute here and say that from UW only 2 WvW guilds of anything near considerable size moved to Gandara ;)

Nice to see there are less critics etc. there now, and the attitude is positive :)

Would also like to say truthfully that I felt rather bad about leaving UW, even moved back and got everyone in my guild ready to – the only problem was when I got there I recognised barely anyone, found New random Commanders without communication or tactics (more) which is a big thing for me, considering I played on there since BWE1 :(

Probably no one knows me anymore, but
amazing to see you guys are still persevering :)
Good work guys, and give them hell, as always.

Funny to see how quickly the thread stops after its confirmed the Alliance hadnt moved to the poster’s server

ohac.8720:

That sucks guys, but I don’t think it will happen. Being that multiple times when WvWvW servers crash or we get that “Auto Update” on WvWvW servers, we loose about everything we did , it seems mostly random at times. One update we still have everything but nothing is tied to the orginal deployer. Or in your case as has happened to my guild, the reset just whipes all siege equipment.

While your 1 time bout cost you 30g, I have no doubt all guilds have felt some number close to that. If my guild was to add up all the times (in prior guilds and now) that we lost items in resets, it probably would be close to your 30g. In that alone I am just saying, if all of us haven’t seen a dime back from all these resets, well… sadly I doubt you will.

Dont’ take this as well… “if they get we get” post, it’s just a fact in every MMO’s excisitance, if they did do this, there would be a cry for.. “well it happened to us!” in other ways. Personally if dev does read this and has a way to fix it, I suggest they just do so and del this thread and be done with it. I wish you all the best thou, but your not the first and surly won’t be the last.

Tracker

Well this is not the first time, before this we have had raids with 3 Omegas each, so 15g + another 15g plus that one with 2 we did (10g) = 40g then our 30g one, 70g, so yknow (btw we dont care about those ones as much, didnt lose them like that per say just saying this isnt a one off we did it once we cry thing) … its the fact that we lost so much in one sitting, that we worked hard for, for a random incident, not even an update like you said, no warning, nothing, zilch.

Thnx for feedback everyone btw.

Ezekiel the Adept

Today (Monday 15th October) my guild and myself conducted Operations in Underworld Borderlands, we decided to use the culmination of a months worth of savings – 5 Omega Golems… (and about 5 Alphas)

We started at 8:00pm GMT, after building the golems etc. After we started, in 20minutes we took both Hills and Garrison back, at which point the server crashed, only UW Borderlands, and it was down for maybe 10 minutes, as soon as we got back in we checked for the Golems, none of which were there, despite enemy siege and all of the rest of ours still available to use.
After 10 minutes in from the crash, enemies had taken everything we took.

Our problem here is that we have wasted our time and money to build all of this, only to have it ripped away from us unfairly , as well as the victories we had guaranteed for our server.

We would very much appreciate the reimbursing of either the Golems or the money and materials used to build them – all of those involved with making the Golems have created support tickets, but they are more often than not overlooked, therefore here is this forum post

Thanks for reading -
Ezekiel the Adept GM of [WvW]

This is an amazing idea, do it now, Anet, get on it xD Macarena!!!

I have earned it IMO – and rather annoyed that is character based, I never have any time to level my other chars, its WvW all day on my lvl 80 thief then maybe every other week half an hour or so on my lvl 2 Engi…

I was about the 10th person on my server to get commander, though I have worked extensively every single day leading without it…

People respect me now for that I’m not making this up or anything, and my guild alone couldn’t afford it so the local random people donated, I think at least 40% of the fund came from them, and at least 300 people donated altogether.

Because of this I get rather annoyed sometimes when random players show up with commander, expecting to be treated like God when no one has heard head nor tail of them beforehand ever.

Also the ones with no experience really annoy me, for example, a guy came into Borderlands today, he had commander and a large amount of Guildies, never seen before, and he pretty much ignored all efforts of communication, half the people followed him, and when he got inside garrison he started everyone attacking the door to get back outside complete facepalm – after this he was pushed back to Woodhaven because he didn’t check the map whilst all of users calling a 30 man Zerg behind him…
Then he and his Guildies ported back out and left us to clean up his mess, which we couldn’t, and went to ‘save’ a tower my Guildies had been fortifying for hours, that was never going to fall, then ofc the enemies from Woodhaven moved to Bay got to the innner doors, and he came again, saying how awesome he was for saving bay, even though it was his fault in the first place.

After this though Bay was still under attack, he decided to hit Godslore and then Woodhaven, though the enemies were right next to him and blatantly on the map – we were held down at Redbriar – and then he got kittened off at us because he had ‘saved bay like 10 times and we were all useless’ screaming this along with swear words into chat in caps lock.

Before me and my soldiers and ppl who came with me from ebg came, we had absolutely nothing in the Borderlands, and by the time he came we had 2 keeps 2 towers and supply camps, and he came and got it all lost. Then when I left to help EBG he retool the keep and said I was a fool and bad luck, reportedly, because as soon as I left they took back a keep – this was countered by someone saying I was the only reason we had the keep in the first place, which made me feel better.
It is truly a dark day on Underworld Server since the rise of Sabio, Eternal Noob.

The moral of the story is, please please make Commander for experienced or WvW achievements, something like that… Monetary system is turning out such noobs it’s not even funny.

I probably sound like a spoilt, snobbish, and kitteny person ATM, but seriously its demoralising when someone comes along and spoils your hardwon work.

Actually this happened to Underworld vs 2 FR servers… They blatantly didn’t hit each other, we saw them literally standing next to each other not attacking each other…

We still beat blue tho…

I don’t really think servers grouping up against another for nationalities is acceptable… It’s also annoying and demoralising as hell…

I’m a Commander on Underworld Server, but mostly spend time on Eternal – as far as I know no Devs are on Underworld, the most likely case is we trebled you to death, or just had a large Zerg and battered the doors whilst you were off somewhere else – that said We tried to take your Garrison at one point and got in pretty quickly, only to find the Lord had buff – and not even Indignation, he had Determined and it didn’t even reset…. Annoying as hell.

Another solution to your problem would be Alphas, they wud take it down and be gone rather than stay there for everyone to see…

I would also like to say that you guys have an unhealthy obsession with Arrow Carts, and always seem to place them in invisible places…