Guild Wars 2

Phoenix.3416:

And Eze is going well! we had to create a 2nd guild for the wvwers, im having a lot of fun to be honest! i dont think im suited for the higher queues and pop of gandara wvw personally, i like jumping around ha. Waiting is hard :P

Nice to hear; tbh queues are only a problem here when we have an easy matchup. Don’t we all love fair weather players and the PvE horde running around to get their easy map completion. Then and again queues aren’t really a problem in most cases cos EotM now. If nothing else the community’s worth it. For example we have a ThisisGandara IV guilds compilation video that just went up. Fun events like that make a server worth being on. Again more shameless self promotion, maybe there’s a better place for me to be casually conversing with you.

In terms of adding something to the thread, I’d like to say that WvW players don’t necessarily have to always think about points constantly. Examples being most WvW guilds like Fenwick said as well as pretty much any server that isn’t Deso/GH/Some other servers ranked higher; and when you stop playing the game for enjoyment, good fights and good fun, you’re in danger of losing sight of what the game’s about. Not saying don’t consider points at all, just find a balance. If you’re looking at the points timer every minute and trying to cap things accordingly, I think you’ve gone a little too far.

Other than that @ UW, try posting something like this but similar in the World Recruitment section, basically list all of the pros like any recruitment thread, and make sure you have people for contact details down the bottom. Maybe refrain from Fenwick being one lest his fans follow him there too (no offense intended). Gandara put one up only the other day and 2 guilds have expressed interest already, to my knowledge.

Phoenix.3416:

Nice to hear from you eze! you big traitor hows the guild doing? :P

Fenwick o/ Treachery is very much a matter of perspective xD I like to think of it more as Russianguy’s fault, crazy guy jumped the gun a bit. Regardless we’re still going strong, maybe 4 original UW players actually still here, including myself, and Gandara’s an awesome place and community to be part of, (note the shameless self-promotion).

And you? How goes Mayh?

oblivious.8074:

Deniara Devious.3948:

Gandara aka Gank-ara = official gankers’ server in EU. A typical Gandara player and his buddies can wait 20 minutes near a flipped sentry to ambush a solo enemy player. Most Gandara players run a gank build, besides few guilds. Could be in TOP8 if they would play for the points.

Its Gankdara Tanko dude

also Gunnar’s HandHold :p

I’d also like to add that we don’t exactly wait for solo players, we are the solo players. And tbh fighting anyone on Deso is kinda ganking because they seem to all come straight from PvE in their zerker gear :/

+1 @ Gunnar’s Handhold

I would recommend to you Aurora Glade, Gandara or Far Shiverpeaks. All are great communities with good players as well as a great balance of small scale, guild play and infantry groups. I can only tell you from experience as an opponent of the former and latter, that they’re both servers I hope to play against at every reset.

I myself am on Gandara, so I can give you a little more info there; will try to avoid anything Talley’s already mentioned, but we have a great time, loads of laughs, few queues outside primetime and a closely connected community, which is open and friendly and stuff. I could go on but it’s nearly 1:00 in the morning and I’m tired and lazy, and in truth I think I’d find it hard to catalogue the myriad reasons that Gandara is great.

Best luck to you in your search, I hope you find what you’re looking for.

Being free of any negative disposition towards Fenwick, I do agree that it’s slightly unreasonable to drop posts here that would discourage players from moving to Underworld due to your dislike for a couple of people on the server. Even if, and I have little knowledge to validate, things were/are as you say, there is no good reason to begrudge the server a chance to improve and/or gain new players to bolster it.

Just because I hate Deso with a passion doesn’t mean I jump in their recruitment threads to hijack or discourage, because I have a vaguely existent maturity level. Not much, but enough to prevent me from doing that.

I wish you the best of luck, Underworld, and remember there’s a plethora of ways in which to improve if you’ll only work together; small things count, and acknowledging your faults is the start of the solution.
A former commander salutes you.

Offair.2563:

MiLkZz.4789:

I nominate:
- Vizunah: as ranger server
- Jade sea: as suicide server (because of an amazing amount of failed portal bombs)
- Aurora Glade: as role playing server (for EU that is)
—> not sure on this one ofcourse, but I have seen a lot of events held on this one.
- Gunnars Hold: as golem server (golems hold)
--> AG does compete with you guys, definitely after that 650 omegas in 1 week event.

Id like to change GH golems hold, into Banners Hold considering the amount we banner lords in small time frames.

I’d like to change Golems/Banners Hold into Golems/Banners Handhold, due to the immense difficulty one has to take to find a Guild not running a meter from another one, and the equal rarity of finishing a fight against one (often outnumbered already) without another crashes into you.

There’s a guy I knew
A usurper by that name
Viva La Habib

Shiiiiiiino. Must agree; hopefully the RNG gods will favour us at some point.

Guys post this in the Ranger CDI topic in Profession Balance, it’ll probably be more likely to be considered then. Possibly in conjunction with a ‘make it actually mean something when a pet is there’ suggestion in general.

I must say, from a completely neutral and unbiased point of view, Gandara is an amazing server. Bbbbbbumped.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Gunnars and Gandara for the fights without any lag.

I can’t believe you said that. If you call these fights ‘without lag’, then anything higher must be the fricking apocalypse. I get the feeling sometimes that we’re the only ones who can’t use any skills during fights against you, apparently that’s true. ANet must hate us. It also sucks like hell when you’re commanding, stacking up and then get randomly teleported half of the distance towards the enemy Uberpanzerblob.

It’s true, it looks completely awful :/ Wish they’d change it back.

Had this character as my main with this armour since just after release, loved it before, but now I look like a joke. Tbh you should see the new Norn ones too.

We can empathise, last week was the last Gandara won in ages, pugs are getting demoralised a lot even if most of our guilds are still on track. Atm we’re enjoying the consistent mega-lag from fighting both Deso and Neo-Deso, or Gunnar’s Handhold, as many so aptly refer to them as. Such fun.

Wish you luck and hope to see you guys soon, we miss you o/

Cuddles from Gandara (or more exactly, one Gandaran player.)

My look is one of l2type I find that I can coordinate pushes, regroups, veils, DPS unloads and might stacking pretty easily without TS, a split second or two slower perhaps, but my main advantage is that I’m playing with 100% of the group, not a fraction who are on TS.

In general I rely on explaining every time I tag up (for new players, because there’s always bound to be one) the basics of what should happen. The Guardians know to empower, the Mesmers know to veil, the group knows to stun/control; I leave it to their disgression when to actually use their abilities, having told them how and when it is used normally, and it works in most all circumstances. We’ve killed TS groups consistently, guild groups, and been accused of being a TS group in the proceedings, so I find that chat commanding is not the end of the world. That said I have been accused of typing inhumanely fast, though I find that hardly true.

There should be no obligation to be on TS, nor childish bullying or exclusion for not doing so; you’re hampering your effective strength by reducing communication to TS alone, if 50% of your force is on TS and you aren’t commanding them through obstinance and laziness, you’re only shooting yourself in the foot. I don’t dispute that TS is very helpful and unlocks new levels of speed communication, however if you’re going to command on it find a way to work with those not on it too, a command relayer or DIY. Don’t reduce your maximum potential efficiency by only playing with 50% of your forces, I command on TS as well and like to think I do it well, but I make sure all of the group knows what’s going on, if only via basics and a second after I say it in TS.

I think I lost my direction of thoughts somewhere halfway through writing this, but here I’ll present you with this jumbled up collection of repeating the same few points.

Nev.5316:

Immolator.5640:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Seriously I’ll repeat this: We did not drop on purpose, we spent months getting steamrolled by Gold League servers like Vizunah and we lost rating points BECAUSE of the rating system, yet there were people working hard to prepare ourselves for the Leagues – even through the drama of Guilds leaving us.

We lost a whole lot of wvw Guilds who left for their own reason, but we only half expected a big PVE influx which has stuck around as we’ve had the momentum; those who want to win the Silver Dolyak and whatever crap you get for winning your League.
Credit has to go out to our commanders for putting up with some of our pugs and taking up the mundane task of night capping/PvD, cause I wouldn’t be able to do it.

There are people who will never have it easier though, once we go back to normal match-ups against “Gold” servers and once there is no AP or rewards to play for, we’ll probably deserve to be a “Silver League” server or one of those servers struggling at the bottom of the Gold, so we’d be a “Golver” League Server (or something..)

We were a truly a strong server back when we were fighting SFR and Vizunah all those months ago, now we just rely on our PUG population to keep up their motivation or for us to find an incentive to get them to learn to play outside the comfort zone, cause which Guilds in their right mind would transfer to us for 1800 gems and with our queues?

The state of wvw doesn’t allow that and the state of our matchups hasn’t allowed that either, because PPT is a flawed system; you can understand why there’s so many Servers that don’t bother playing for it, cause of the need in coverage that skews the score.

During prime time, it’s led to some poor organization and queues, against servers with the luxury of having much more Guilds and no queues to fill a map!

It’s all about the Leagues though which has only brought about more heated debate among communities, who’s fault is it at the end of the day? ArenaNet’s for poorly implementing Season One, while wvw is still imbalanced.

Also what on earth are these Toxic PVE things doing in wvw? Seriously?

If only I was bothered enough to find and quote the numerous Deso players admitting to tanking xD there are a couple in this thread tho iirc, but if I scoured the last few matchup threads I’m sure I could find more.

Tbh I haven’t logged into this matchup yet, and I wish I could say it was from Deso hate, but it’s not, so I won’t. I just wanted to feel as if I was involved by joining in the forum war, shots have been fired.

A few random players saying it doesn’t make it fact nor proof. But I’m sure a intelligent man like you would know that:). Real reason we are in silver league is due too many of our active wvw guilds jumping ship and nobody willing to command during those times except from the wvw guilds which were left. But it’s up to you to believe whatever .

Eh the same thing goes to everyone crying “alliance”, they had far less evidence xD

Regardless don’t spend too much effort trying to convince me, I’m not in-game to bother

Also I have to refrain from telling that guy above me how long Gandara has been able to operate well without community TS and overuse of Forums… It certainly doesn’t hurt coverage The extent of our forum tactical discussion is a host of videos showing people falling off things.

@OP, it’s more effective if you spell it correctly.

Sorry I had to

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Seriously I’ll repeat this: We did not drop on purpose, we spent months getting steamrolled by Gold League servers like Vizunah and we lost rating points BECAUSE of the rating system, yet there were people working hard to prepare ourselves for the Leagues – even through the drama of Guilds leaving us.

We lost a whole lot of wvw Guilds who left for their own reason, but we only half expected a big PVE influx which has stuck around as we’ve had the momentum; those who want to win the Silver Dolyak and whatever crap you get for winning your League.
Credit has to go out to our commanders for putting up with some of our pugs and taking up the mundane task of night capping/PvD, cause I wouldn’t be able to do it.

There are people who will never have it easier though, once we go back to normal match-ups against “Gold” servers and once there is no AP or rewards to play for, we’ll probably deserve to be a “Silver League” server or one of those servers struggling at the bottom of the Gold, so we’d be a “Golver” League Server (or something..)

We were a truly a strong server back when we were fighting SFR and Vizunah all those months ago, now we just rely on our PUG population to keep up their motivation or for us to find an incentive to get them to learn to play outside the comfort zone, cause which Guilds in their right mind would transfer to us for 1800 gems and with our queues?

The state of wvw doesn’t allow that and the state of our matchups hasn’t allowed that either, because PPT is a flawed system; you can understand why there’s so many Servers that don’t bother playing for it, cause of the need in coverage that skews the score.

During prime time, it’s led to some poor organization and queues, against servers with the luxury of having much more Guilds and no queues to fill a map!

It’s all about the Leagues though which has only brought about more heated debate among communities, who’s fault is it at the end of the day? ArenaNet’s for poorly implementing Season One, while wvw is still imbalanced.

Also what on earth are these Toxic PVE things doing in wvw? Seriously?

If only I was bothered enough to find and quote the numerous Deso players admitting to tanking xD there are a couple in this thread tho iirc, but if I scoured the last few matchup threads I’m sure I could find more.

Tbh I haven’t logged into this matchup yet, and I wish I could say it was from Deso hate, but it’s not, so I won’t. I just wanted to feel as if I was involved by joining in the forum war, shots have been fired.

Riselight.3695:

Paavotar.3971:

Riselight.3695:

Usually I agree with Smallscale ftw, but I just enjoy seeing UW and MS getting steamrolled, because they do the same thing when I and my guildmates are trying to do some roaming and then get chased by a zerg over half the map. When I command I always shout to ignore roamers of enemy servers, but not this week.

Do you actually call out a server who can put 20+ groups into WvW couple hours a day that they steam roll something else than sentries? Get real man, your server does it way more.

It’s just the truth Didn’t enjoy roaming at all this week so far, heck, even Desolation was more enjoyable, because they don’t chase you with 10 people over half a map

I must apologise profusely, my guildie here is obviously drunk. Very drunk. Don’t get aggravated over it though, not really worth it imo.

I haven’t been able to get in game at all this week, so I can only be sad to miss many fights and loot bags and heartbreak, this thread seems quite amusing at times however, which helps with the immersion aspect, I can feel the atmosphere even from outside the game

I think one of its main problems is that it seems to be bugged in the way that iterate seems to disable all skills; that’s supposed to be stun :P

Regardless the amount of duration combined with the RNG of condi removal means that you are disabled for the duration of the fight, can cleanse that 2 stacks of Vuln and that 1 bleed, which is entirely helpful.

No matchup thread is complete without XxX complaining about numbers and refusing to do GvG; dat nostalgia, I remember those being our threads every week

That 2v1 thread is amazing I lol’d when I saw it xD

Tyrion.8632:

When i see Aurora 50+ Serg Getting AQ wall down and Gandara Serge 50+ walk in and take it. then they dnt fight etchother when they are so close and just walk off, i would say that team up. U can flame this as much as u want but ive seen enough to know what a team up is.

If you mean at Quentin Lake yesterday, I was commanding, that was just us ninja’ing, because we are pro like that, you shoulda seen chat after we swept in and took it, everyone was in hysterics.

I urge you to take your tinfoil hat off, and step into the sun.

I heard it doesn’t heal allies.

PizzaSHARK.2741:

Avenge.1478:

3) With the WvW populations of each server skyrocketing as they have been due to the implementation of PvE (achievements)

Get over yourself.

The achievements aren’t “PvE” anymore than you leading a group of guildmates to AOE-spam Stonemist Castle to death is “PvE.”

You can argue about whether adding achievements was a good thing or not, but acting like the achievements are “PvE”, or that PvE is somehow a lesser form of gameplay, is nothing more than pure ego on your part and makes you look like a kid whining about that one kid down the street having the same bike as him.

WvW populations skyrocketing is a GOOD THING. More people playing WvW means ArenaNet will become interested in spending more development time working on improving the gamemode, and it’ll give you more chances to meet new players and in general provide a less stagnant sub-community than there was before.

Yeah, I agree – the mislabeled queue system is a kitten and a half, and there are definitely some improvements that need to happen sooner rather than later, but bashing other players for being new to the gamemode isn’t really going to strengthen your argument, it’s just going to make you look like an kitten .

Immolator.5640:

I’m still really confused as to why Gandara is going through all of this despite having done none of the above and no ‘best GvG’ guilds on it or near it.

I think I’ve had to spend maybe 20 minutes in queue, like… once. On the weekend.

Otherwise? No queue. Some of the people on the server (especially the ones that talk about being “best 3 commanders on [the] server”) are complete kittens, but for the most part I haven’t had many problems poking my head in for some WvW in between doing other stuff.

I did some WvW earlier tonight and actually left because it was just too godkitten ed blobby to be any fun, though it was kind of funny seeing probably 150 or more players in a single area all just kind of lagging around in circles while spamming AOEs.

I don’t get how this last part has much to do with me, unless you’re on Gandara, in which case you must play some time around midnight or else have the divine favour of the queue gods. To me it sounds like you reside on one of the lower ‘tier’ servers – if that’s true then I still don’t understand what point you’re trying to make to me.

Jayne.9251:

Immolator.5640:

I’m still really confused as to why Gandara is going through all of this despite having done none of the above and no ‘best GvG’ guilds on it or near it.

Just reading this now (went to bed shortly after my last post). As for Gandara, not sure. What I think probably is happening is you guys had a solid smaller wvw core, and the bulk of your server was pve-based. With the introduction of the leagues and the WvW meta, all your players have suddenly come out of the woodwork?

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing if you invest in training/recruiting them while they’re on map. Vizunah did this, they embraced their pve crowd and made wvw inclusive — the result is significant, particularly if you’re facing them. If you can even retain 10%, that’s a significant boost to your core WvW numbers when the leagues are over, particularly if you’re seeing massive queues on your maps without any of the GvG leagues or recruitment posts.

My main source of irritation is the perpetual ~2hour queues since leagues, constant skill lag, and the dc-ing every day.

Wait 2 hours staring at your screen to get in → Can’t even play properly because of lag → Get dc’d → Rinse and repeat.

In most of the Gandara WvW crowd’s opinion, the sooner the queues go the better, I think.

You forgot to cross out the Earthshaker :o Hurry and edit or everyone will know!

Excel.5410:

I don’t like to be hunted :/

When I looked at that I did a double take, then I noticed it wasn’t actually me. That’s creepy man.

If it helps you have a good taste in armour and dyes.

Alright the FSP EB commander as of the moment, I declare you a jerk why would you chase a solo roamer all over the map? How rude.

I’m still really confused as to why Gandara is going through all of this despite having done none of the above and no ‘best GvG’ guilds on it or near it.

Carize.8532:

I throw the ballista blueprints I get on top of dead spiked bodies. Only the bodies of the kitten s who attack me as I run across map to return to my group after re-spawn. If you make me have to fight you off (looking at you, thief who kept lurking in the back of by the buildings at greenvale all night) then once I kill your silly kitten I’m going to desecrate your corpse too.

It’s a good way to get rid of those prints you get as drops.

Other than that, ballista has no real uses.

I think what you are doing here, sir, is the classic misuse of the ‘Shame Ram’ that is often employed in these circumstances.

Fairly I’m pretty sure tonnes of people have been waiting for the biblical FSP AG Gandara matchup, so I’m cool with it – it’s been way too long.

Also technically FSP gained 2 rather large NA guilds compared to Gandara’s none, so coveragewise I think we’re more equal than you think.

None of which came to my server, unless they’re drawing random people who wish to somehow fight solo members or their guild vs the 1 random guy?

Jayne.9251:

Oh I personally have nothing against SoR (well maybe that one fellow who’s name starts with an i), I’m just saying these actions contributed to what you are experiencing now.

And we were all cautioned about it back in September:

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.

I’m just saying you need to have a conversation with your server and all get on the same page.

Avenge.1478:

The problem is that ANet did not prepare for the influx of people queuing up for WvW.

Oh they absolutely did advise people to consider the incoming pve crowd, but seems few did.

R12 EU here, literally exactly the same situation as the OP posted – we have not had a recruitment thread in at least half a year, never had constant queues on any other maps than 2 in the past 6 months, and again in that time only maybe 3 small guilds have joined the server that are still here fighting; on top of that I just got out of EB at 2:00am Server time, where there was a lovely queue \o/
If it’s happening here then I really don’t get the anti-T1 responses :/

When people asked for better achievements in WvW, we meant something like divide the original ones by 3 or 5 or something, not make something that can be completed entirely within 2 days for the achievement hunters to come crawling out of Orr for.

+1’d

F I F T E E N C H A R A C T E R S

One of my officers finished some time in the early morning fog of Monday, I swear he has his fingers permanently attached to that keyboard. Can only hope the Achievement Hunters finish in a timely fashion and go back to Orr or Twilight Arbor or Fissure of Woe or wherever it is that they farm nowadays.

It has indeed been too long AG, good to see and spam 1 at you once again.

I think I’m gonna enjoy this matchup immensely, after 2 consecutive weeks with Deso you could accurately say that I was on the edge of drowning myself in bleach as a mercy killing. Hope you guys enjoyed the lovely blobbing in EB, not one wipe before I was dc’d

I really do disagree with nerfing supply decay cows; supply and supply loss is one of few difficulties with running a large group. With both these and supply traps you can wreck a lot of havoc.

I’d like to have pre-patch Pure of Voice back, after that I can’t complain about much if anything.

Vena.8436:

CharlieBear.2741:

I don’t remember ever asking for better rewards and achievements in WvW.

It would take you maybe a few page flips through this forum to find a number of threads about rewards. Its been a topic in this forum for ages. Welcome to being in a community, where not voicing your opinion will hurt you because it skews perception.

mako.2431:

Do you people listen to yourselves? Basically you are saying it is our fault we cannot play because we wanted WvW to be better than it was. Talk about incomprehensibly stupid….

And for the record I wanted what WvW is to be improved, not add PvE crap to it.

I listen to myself just fine, I have to deal with these queues too. I just knew months in advance what people were asking for was a stupid idea. Too many people wanted to be “rewarded” for WvWing, and now when they get rewarded, they complain that other people, who also like to be rewarded, started playing.

Its not hard to realize what will happen when rewards are added to a thing.

I’m pretty sure the idea was to maybe half or quarter the existing WvW achievements, not make new ones that are easily doable within a week… really there needs to be a balance between completely unattainable and so easy that it attracts all of the gold diggers from every corner of Orr.

Madora.9340:

1. Improve the commander’s overall usefulness. If I were a commander (Sadly don’t have the 100 gold yet for the tag), I would like to place orders around the map that everyone could see, like ‘Attack here’, ‘Move here’, ‘Defend here’, etc. It would help the commander communicate to the rest of the server what his plan is.

At least this bit is already in place, though I find it less than useful.

Great idea here ANet and thanks for including us, I love the way this is going, nice to see a lot more engaging with the community

azizul.8469:

most of the people complaining about these AP in WvW leading to PvE coming to WvW are from T1/T2.

sorry folks, no sympathy for you. you stacked, so that’s your problem now….

Well here’s an update from rank 12 EU, exactly the same issue! \o/

Achievements are all well and good, but don’t make them so easy that a PvEr can come in and do them within a week/few days.

^It’s a reference, I’ll slow my posting on the thread now as soon it’ll turn too spammy

Pros (?)
- It got a ton of PvE players to try out WvW

Cons:
- Horrible, horrible, horrible skill lag, it is horrible. It doesn’t matter where you are, if there is a big fight on the map everything becomes laggy, not mentioning the perpetual lag anyway
- WvW has became incredibly boring and laggy, if I ever get in I’m not really playing
- It got a ton of PvE players to ‘try out’ WvW
- The schedule sucks, 1 matchup with Deso is more than enough for a lifetime
- The deciding matchup is at the start
- I spend my limited game time sitting at my PC in LA waiting for my queue to pop for several hours

Bleh if I’m honest I’m just angry that I have to queue for 3 hours just to get onto EB, where I can’t even enjoy myself because of the perpetual skill lag, and literally every single map is queued perpetually now because ‘e-z achievement points’ were introduced, I hope they go back to Orr very soon and stop violating my game mode

I’m sorry but with the amount of skill lag and massive queues they’re creating, I don’t think any WvW play they get in will be representative. Anyone who finds that kind of play interesting enough to keep coming back for more isn’t really someone who I’d want to fight beside.

Seriously enlighten me as to why every Desolation player I come across runs full damage gear :/ worse than Vizunah…

Bloodstealer.5978:

VaaCrow.3076:

hihey.1075:

Recently I saw quite a few people from UW’s guilds roaming in our ranks. Is UW’s population THAT desperate?

I think GH will finish either 4th or 5th. We are good at prime time and we have a decent night capping force. But early morning til afternoon we are really, really weak.

Well my guild actually transferd here because UW wvw was dying, and the community with it. Too much drama and such, so we decided we’d like a fresh start on a new server. Gh was a strong choice both community wise and size wise, we can still roam as a guild and the community thus far has been nothing but welcoming to us, which has been really nice.

I don’t understand why you’d call us desperate for leaving our realm.. Unless you’re just being mean to us because we finished you one too many times in wvw before we switched

I just heard this today form RAIN.... surprised yes, but actually no.
After all the drama created from the Underworld Community thread I felt sure APE and RAIN would at least be 2 guilds that would be stopping on UW to help rebuild it, guess times really have gotten hard. I can understand why karma train guilds have upped sticks but hey ho each to there own.

That last one was my fault, I’ve been secretly plotting on getting Rain here since last time UW faced Gandara, such great roamers, I just had to have them.

I will take this moment to showcase my evil laugh, which I have been working on for a while - *ahem* Bwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaha - Ha - ha. Ow my fingers hurt

VII moved from Piken to Aurora Glade.

Is this only well known GvG guilds, or any guilds?

XxX moved from Underworld to FSP
APE moved from Underworld to FSP

1. Commander system (especially suppression)
2. Skill Lag
3. Balance (why all the condi meta/give me back my Pure of Voice qq)

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

canadez.5328:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

canadez.5328:

iorlas.6721:

deso tanked to get into silver they have more than enough to push for top spot,watch em all come outa the woodwork once the league starts.

Actually Desolation and Underworld did send out the majority of their WvW Guilds to other servers so they don’t move up or stay in Gold League. Simply not to raise suspicion. Those tricky kittens. I’ll tell you all guilds will return to their home server on thursday. Rumours say even IRON will go back to Desolation.

I’d be surprised if IRON came back, they burned many bridges as it is.
Yes we’ve overtaken Gandara overnight, but Gandara also has a big PVE population waiting for the leagues to start, I doubt they’ll be many transfers in for us as compared to everyone else who is not 1800 gems like us.

Yes, the irony heh? Its a master plan. PVE population is the key.

- dropping in ranks as fast as Ins Paintrain
- PVE players stocking up on gold for massive transfers
- the sudden uprising this matchup

It all fits together like a puzzle. Man, big things are going down! IRON used NA just for training purposes. You gotta do what you gotta do for those big prizes in Silver League.

And as a sidenote Crimson as a fellow Desolation player you should know better ,)

I am Rubio by the way..
‘Blobbadons’ will most likely come out top even though these guys are even more squishy than vizunah as they will have the superior coverage, but the way the rating system and how the player population counts the overall population, there is going to be a few surprises.
I’m not sure about the xfer cost of other servers, but reading a bit earlier today FSP has an NA guild now.

I seriously had a lol moment when I saw a Dezerkerlation player posting this xD

Well I agree completely with Dranul, though that might be my intrinsic hate of Deso as a server talking, I mean you have to hold yourself in high esteem if you place lower on the list than AM and RS to a Gandara player. In fact I’d really take any server over you.

Inb4 infracted :/