Guild Wars 2

when you talk to npc to get the disguise, go left side up, the hero challenge is hidden in one of the small thorns/branch cages up there.

How many chars you want to delete? o_O

Cos you might save time grinding for gold to gems instead of leveling all the characters again.

A lot of thief builds got rolled into one (Panic Strike + Exe + Shadow Arts + Venom + Trickery Thief is possible!). How do you like the fact that thieves can do this? Every class has some funky builds now.

I’ve heard some people say they don’t like the critical strike line. Do you agree and why? I like the CS line, it’s a dmg trait line and it does exactly that, boosts my dmg really nicely.

I’ve also heard some people say that S/D is dead and that acrobatics sucks. I tried out a build with Don’t Stop and Hard To Catch and had trouble dying but still got some kills! How do you feel about S/D and Acrobatics? Have you tried the line? I think this opinion comes from the over the top dmg everyone is dishing out now. If you get stabbed for 15k, having extra dodges won’t rez you up. If I consider acro line alone, it’s really nice trait line that allows for some nice thief gameplay. But I can see why currently it’s better to trait for dmg than defence.

Thief got some new condi traits. Have you tried making a condi build and how did it go? I don’t care about playing condi.

Improvisation vs Executioner. Which wins for you? Exe

Dagger Storm and Thieves Guild got turned into a trick and a deception. Are you taking them now that they can be traited? I still pick elite based on the situation, not what skill types they are.

I was quite negative about new SA/Acro/condi removal but over the weekend I tested some builds and that was enough for me to change the view on this.

Change to shadow embrace is actually quite good when combined with acro traits, SA/Ac/Trix build is very condi resistant and dishes out decent dmg when in zerker. Although, I think shadow embrace still should remove condi on the 1s of stealth.

What I found really hard to deal with was Taunt, while I haven’t come across it that often, the moment it was used, I was dead. I spent quite some time duelling one really good ranger with Taunt on F2, the effect seems to ignore everything and for a squishy class that relies on active defense, Taunt is very punishing.

Adding some more lfgs.

2nd screenie, AC p3 all welcome group, while not mean or rude, it simply left me puzzled why anyone would even complain about alt account players.

Caedmon.6798:

Querini.6918:

that happened… was in downed already, but imagine perma immo+this… 22k with 1 skill
after this patch skills like endure pain, signet of stone and berserker stance are so broken. it gives too much advantage imo.

2,2k armor btw

8.4k rush ? lmao

One warr hit me for 11k with rush just after the patch and one for 9k before the patch, the skill always hit hard if the target is squishy.

Woljnir.7810:

My screenshots to add.

Magg got chatty I see.

Guys, why necro so hard?

Would be fun if they would add SAB as part of the guild hall access activities.

Your head might blow up when they add specialisation.

Beautilation.7915:

exactly. i eat 9k fireballs from eles, but somehow they can heal themselves up after i give em a 11k backstab, yet i cant do that

The dmg is over the top for everyone. I use full dps build on ele, yet I haven’t seen 9k fireball in wvw, 2 × 4.5k yea but not as single hit. Also, if you stab me for 11k, I have like 1.4k HP left, one aa can deal with that.

Well, I wasn’t sure if I should pick SA or not, always had 2pts in there for the condi removal so when I saw the SE change, I decided not to bother with SA anymore.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Everyone hits like truck in wvw now.

Was roaming with mesmer guildie yesterday, he was able to put 15-20 stacks of might on me, which is sweet. On other hand, didn’t enjoy most of the fights with mesmers cos they adopted common thief fight style very well and even improved it. It gets boring after a while when the other person is stealthed for foreverrrr, with thief you at least have some visual clues as to where they are stealthing up.

…..I’m sorry i’m sorry, I just couldn’t help but laugh a bit.

Uh, it’s morning and I am still asleep a bit, why did you find that funny?

When I saw the hammer and the gs, I melted with happiness ^ ^

Everyone hits like truck in wvw now.

Was roaming with mesmer guildie yesterday, he was able to put 15-20 stacks of might on me, which is sweet. On other hand, didn’t enjoy most of the fights with mesmers cos they adopted common thief fight style very well and even improved it. It gets boring after a while when the other person is stealthed for foreverrrr, with thief you at least have some visual clues as to where they are stealthing up.

Rifle or staff, I think which ever we’ll get, it’ll be more of a bruiser style weapon. I doubt thieves would get sniper rifle or meteor shower type skills on staff :P

James Quall.6029:

Azure.8670:

It’s most likely because thief elite spec is getting rifle. The spec will probably revolve around rifle and pistols, Assassin style

You’re behind the times. Signs point towards thief getting staff.

Still that doesn’t mean the elite spec would have no pistol traits. 1-2 pistol specific traits + some traits that improve general survivability/cc options (which if we actually get staff would probably be most suited as traits) would be enough to breathe some new life into p/p.

Howl.2498:

After a few fights fumbling for the wrong key, I found it relatively easy to get used to in the end, and I do like it better this way. I’d be disappointed if it reverted.

+1

Crimson Clouds.4853:

@Zackie, I’m pleased they don’t flap. They’re so huge on norn and charr that they would be obstructive for other players. At least the sunless wings are small and the dragon wings are translucent.

Those curtains wings already obstruct a lot, I can’t even see mobs if there are 2-3 players with that backpiece around.

I always wondered why some people insist on playing builds like condi guard when the class is obviously not good in condi application, it has burn and errrm, burn. Still people want to be equal to every other class with any IPHIW build they like and want it to work just as effectively as other builds in any content of the game.

“But my signet condi ele sucks at clearing trash mobs in pve” and so on…

I think some take the “I play how I want” to the extreme and expect Anet to cater to them.

The dmg is real ^ ^

First time in weeks guildies saw me laughting when I got caught and bursted by 10k warr rush or whirl. It’s not just us with boosted dmg and I quite like it that the fights in wvw are less of “lets run to tower, they won’t kill us by the time we get there”. It’s burst or die.

I love my thief again.

Well, I’ll play build similar to the one I play now, zerker gear with fire/air with ether/arcane wave, lighting flash (or GoS) and arcane block (or ice bow). It sucks in 1 vs 1 but it’s really nice in team fights, and I don’t mean necessarily zerg fights. It does obscene dmg and has nice control.

What I am not sure about, I originally planned on using fire/air/arcane post patch but I currenly use ether renewal for condi removal andI really dislike it as it’s useless vs power builds. I can’t go fire/air/arcane without ether renew -_-

So I am thinking between water and arcane, I would like to drop ether renewal and have some decent condi removal too.

What’s with everyone complaining about loosing stats from traits, you’ll get them back with higher baseline stats and increased gear stats.

Currently, if you play zerker gear + traits with defensive stats, you are technically not pure zerker so there is no point to compare this to full zerker post patch. You can switch few gear pieces and have very similar stats to as now (wvw/pve). In pvp it will depend on the amulet choices (didn’t watch streams so don’t know about those).

Concerned? I love the change. Your stats will no longer be tied to traits you want to play, you can go as glassy as you want or get some defence in. With the possibility to change stats on asc armour/weps, this is a super good change.

gossip queen 2015 Peow vs Eremite

Let me just get some popcorn.

Honestly I don’t know if I’ll be using SA or not. I used to play 0/6/2/0/0/6 and it’s my fav build but when I joined a new guild, I eventually went full SA to be able to rez the less experienced guildies.

After first trait review, I planned on using SAT (SA/Acro/Trix) but now they buffed CS + lock on, I will probably use CAT buuuuut I am really worried about my survival vs condi.

So the plan is no SA and no rez for guildies :P

x Charlie.4820:

Because everyone came here to stomp. So why not keep us in a matchup where they can stomp anyway?

I will never understand the bandwagon logic.

Shukriyya.7629:

It takes a couple of weeks or months for a server to nightcap their way up. By the time you make it to more challenging match-ups your ex-gold league guilds have probably already decided to move to a different server. :/ Good luck!

This is basically 100% accurate, I just wish they would move already xD

Awesome servers are doomed everytime people move in like ant invasion. I just didn’t expect this to happen to Vabbi.

Kodama.6453:

Got interested in the glitter suggestion (even if I would prefer another name like phosphorized ^^) and have a question: Do you mean just a visual effect, so everyone knows where to put his aoe on or is the stealthed enemy actually targetable? That’s a huge difference if it comes to team play, there are many skills out there which require a target and a revealed enemy lets you use this kind of skills, if a glittered/phosphorized enemy isn’t targetable it would just help aoe heavy professions in a team fight.

The way how I thought about the “glitter effect”, is something similar to when in wvw if you party up with enemy thief, he stealths up, you see him and can target him but he get all benefits from stealth. So yeah, targetable.

The glitter, I don’t really care about the name and how the animation would look.

Check the weapons your class has, some have skills with evade on them so you can use those when your endurance is low.

Btw, there is a bug when someone gets imprisoned, others break the pink crystal but the stun stays with full duration. Couldn’t get rid of it until downed. Any trick to deal with this?

Try not to leave the camp, if you need to get some distance, use the objects in camp to LoS them and this won’t happen to you as often.

This leash thing is also why if you want to take a camp which is larger, you should LoS them somewhere nearest the middle of the camp, preferably closer to the melee npcs.

Fellow UW fighter shared his opinion rather creatively.

The iphiw ele builds used in pve are real fun to have in party. Usually just as good in defiance management as a fearmancer, I mean necro. Had an aurashare ele in TA who made sure we had shocking aura at the start of each boss fight, another yesterday in SE p2, charged into every boss with RTL, followed by updraft.

Don’t forget that the stats from your gear will be more important than ever, losing power from pack runes to get fury/+5%dmg will have bigger impact on your overall stats than it does now.

I got sets with both scholar and pack, so will try both with new traits but I think Pack runes will be better. Glad I bought mine when they were 40s :P

I expect some quality video material out of this event, Cynz, pls make sure you document the moment sword 3 breaks the Eotm.

Melee staff cos I want to be a Turtle Ninja master :<

Dmg modifiers are tasty especially in lower lvl dungeons but with many parties, a staff ele is often the only one generating some might/fury, if I do so, I lock myself out of fire for like 4 – 5s if I go to water for ice bow.

Jana.6831:

Kageseigi.2150:

Jana.6831:

There can’t be – either the thief is disabeled (revealed) or he isn’t (he can stealth) – there is nothing in between.

I think that’s what he is suggesting… for Anet to create something in between.

Ok, then do me a favour and theorycraft how that will work. The regen for 6 seconds is ~2k heal, the condi remove would be what’s most important for that time. And the backstab.

Make a scenario how sparkle would work out – for both sides.
I’m still pretty convinced it wouldn’t work, but maybe it would, so bring it on =)

The only thing I think would be acceptable would be if the thief is discovered but not revealed.

The sparkle was a reference to another game just as an example.

Are you for real not getting it or just trolling? “discovered but not revealed” is what I’ve been talking about. Either way, I don’t see discussion with you getting anywhere, I give up.

PlatinumMember.5274:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Conncept.7638:

Linnael.1069:

Conncept.7638:

Dahir.4158:

People have been using condi builds for ages. It’s nothing new.

Yeah, I’ve been one of them, earth spec’d Elementalist main since launch, regardless of that fact they are still some of the worst builds in the entire game.

Um. Dire signet ele running 6/0/6/0/2 is notorious in wvw roaming for being just as ridiculous as condithief/mes. earth has been good for a long time.

No one cares about WvW roaming. The game isn’t balanced around it to any degree, WvW is meant to be a simulation of war, it isn’t meant to be balanced or fair, its meant to reward every advantage one takes, especially numbers. Meaning the efforts of one person make absolutely no difference anyway, and no matter how much WvW roamers claim otherwise, except for reporting enemy movements, roaming has no effect on the game modes win condition and therefor isn’t a problem no matter the build.

If this is your view on roaming/wvw, then it makes sense you find condi ele bad.

I assume this topic was about spvp not wvw which makes his comments not wrong.

He responded to someone talking about wvw and mentioned wvw himself. Other previous post also mention non spvp stuff, yet you assume it’s spvp topic. Nice.

My staff is shaking with anticipation, I like the changes as my current build will be stronger even if (for comparison) I don’t include in the additional traits we’ll get with full 3rd trait line.

Every other class is better off than the one I play, right?

Conncept.7638:

Linnael.1069:

Conncept.7638:

Dahir.4158:

People have been using condi builds for ages. It’s nothing new.

Yeah, I’ve been one of them, earth spec’d Elementalist main since launch, regardless of that fact they are still some of the worst builds in the entire game.

Um. Dire signet ele running 6/0/6/0/2 is notorious in wvw roaming for being just as ridiculous as condithief/mes. earth has been good for a long time.

No one cares about WvW roaming. The game isn’t balanced around it to any degree, WvW is meant to be a simulation of war, it isn’t meant to be balanced or fair, its meant to reward every advantage one takes, especially numbers. Meaning the efforts of one person make absolutely no difference anyway, and no matter how much WvW roamers claim otherwise, except for reporting enemy movements, roaming has no effect on the game modes win condition and therefor isn’t a problem no matter the build.

If this is your view on roaming/wvw, then it makes sense you find condi ele bad.

We used to have one on my old server, appropriately named “Medic Jack”, awesome guy and always saved my noob butt when I cried in chat for a medic.

Jana.6831:

So either we’ve got a language barrier or I don’t know.

Seems to me that the disagreement comes from you thinking I talk about current reveal and its mechanics, while I suggested a new effect.

The backstab timing, you know when your stealth finishes so you can time your backstab to stab when visible. Ofc it’s impractical and pretty hard to do in actual combat, but it’s still possible. This wasn’t supposed to be a suggestion to countering reveal but a mere technical info about backstab/stealth.

Jana.6831:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

What I suggested was a new debuff that could be given to other classes/stealth trap instead of current reveal that would remove invisibility without causing reveal. It’s reveal that removes all the good things, not visibility (even now you can backstab fully visible and it’s a proper backstab).

Yes and no, the SA line currently gives condi removal, might, health and “backstab”. You need to be stealthed to get more of everything, one condition per pulse will be cleansed, you gain 1 stack of might per pulse, you gain +320 health per pulse) With reveal all of that is gone. It will be slightly different after that patch, but stillyou’ll gain more of what you’ve traited for the longer you’re stealthed.

Anyway: I get your point (finally) you mean that something that would make a thief visible without the revealed debuff. Ok. So in that case the condi remove would’ve been interrupted but not denied for 6 seconds + as the thief can stealth right away as long as he’s got enough initative.
That is a smarter approach, yes. The thief has got a disadvantage but still a chance and doesn’t neccessarily turn into a free lootbag. But the question still is: Why are engis the ones who get this trait? shouldn’t every class have it? And if so, wouldn’t it be better if no class had it and they were balanced in other ways than to base one trait (and several skills) on 4 classes? As far as I know there’s no mechanic that is especially suited to counter a core mechanic of another class.

But: As long as the new condis won’t pulverize me on sight I won’t take SA anymore, I will still be a backstabbing thief but use evades and ports- we warned you

Edit: Oh, didn’t see that: “(even now you can backstab fully visible and it’s a proper backstab)”
No, you can’t.

If anet would actually make a new debuff that only removes invsibility and leaves all stealth benefits, I think all classes could have access to skills that give that debuff, even the duration could be longer. It would actually give them counterplay to thief since most people think stealth has no counter, but it wouldn’t turn the thief into a loot bag.

Yes, you can backstab when fully visible. Since the skill doesn’t depend on the stealth state you are in at the moment it lands on target but on stealth state when you start the skill. It won’t get the benefit of hidden killer trait tho. You can try it yourself, it has 0.25s casting time so if you hit 1 just as the stealth is about to finish, you can see your character land backstab when visible.

And no, you can’t do you double backstabs :P

SlyDevil.3952:

Lock On: Striking a foe in stealth analyzes them, revealing them and inflicting them with 10 stacks of vulnerability for 8 seconds. This trait has a 20 second internal cooldown.

It’s pretty ambiguous. It either means enemies are forced out of stealth, given a reveal buff while stealth or both.

The question is, does victoria/mossman function like spires invisibility, in that it isn’t actually the stealth buff, you’re just invisible.

From what I noticed when running around wvw with my thief, reveal can be applied on a stealthed player without causing immediate loss of invisibility. Few times I saw both stealth and reveal icons on my buff bar. For stealth sources like SR, even when already in stealth, when reveal was applied on me, it simply left me in stealth but the additional application of stealth from SR didn’t happen.

bladex.9502:

KingJD.9687:

Today I learned that killing the triple golems in se1 while stacking in the corner is easier, faster and allows for focussed dps and shared damage.

You don’t even want to know how many times I’ve been kicked from pugs for fighting them in the open….

If it was just SE, it’s really annoying when people stack might and then they refuse to leave stack and wait for the boss on other side of the room get to us. Best when the person who agroes it uses criple on boss too >..> I had one CoE run where 4 people got downed on first alpha attack and when I was “wtf”, one of them said “this stack doesn’t work, we don’t need to dodge when stacking”.

First pic is a collection of some recent lfgs.

Second pic is from AC story run I did earlier today to xp my ele. All party was 50-70 and the comments from one person just made me giggle <3 ele

25% is still really good

Use the ample amounts of interrupts available to mesmer class just as he is leaping through black powder.

Profit.

Not sure what effect the engi reveal trait will have but I think overall medic thief will be still okay to play.

More likely that the change to blind on stealth trait (will be gm) will have bigger impact on medics than the added reveal in the game. Condi removal is very important, blind on stealth reduces a lot of direct dmg taken so without it, medics will get hurt a bit more. On other hand, there will be no cooldown on the regen when grating stealth, which means the thief will be able to heal himself and to some extend others better than before. Regen can be quite high in builds with healing power (such as nomad).

Jana.6831:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

I am not sure what you are about in your post. All I said was that reveal is such a hardcounter to thieves just cos anet used the same effect designed to put cd on entering stealth and gave it other classes/traps to help people who complained about perma invi thieves.

What I meant is: Thief is designed to get all good things with stealth, you can’t just take the invisibility away as you’re removing all other stuff with this as well. I think to change that the whole class would need to be redesigned.

What I suggested was a new debuff that could be given to other classes/stealth trap instead of current reveal that would remove invisibility without causing reveal. It’s reveal that removes all the good things, not visibility (even now you can backstab fully visible and it’s a proper backstab).

Jana.6831:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

It all boils down to anet’s laziness to implement another stealth debuff that only removes *in*visibility ? but not the effects associated with stealth. With that current reveal skills wouldn’t be such a hard counter to thief, they could even give longer invisibility debuff duration.

Engies could sprinkle some glitter on thieves just like witcher :P

How should that work if everything is tied to stealth? It doesn’t.
I just come from a fight with a condi thief (meh) who put 3!!!!!!! stealth traps into all camps he either had or wanted to cap – there was nothing I could do as a power stealth thief (other than ask for help in map chat) – I don’t consider this guy to be a thief.
There is already a lot of counter to stealth/damage from stealth actually, engis have got either shield or their toolbelt shield, they can also shrink and take no damage, they can also make themselves invisible and have got access to a lot of AoE all good weapons against a thief. You just need to know when to use them.

Or if everything fails, just spend your gold on stealth traps.

I am not sure what you are about in your post. All I said was that reveal is such a hardcounter to thieves just cos anet used the same effect designed to put cd on entering stealth and gave it other classes/traps to help people who complained about perma invi thieves.