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On the other hand, we have ghostly cannons… why not ghostly plants?

J/k

Why should Tyria technically be changed? Maybe at Lion’s Arch, but my take on the cut scene is that what we saw of the ley lines was just to make it visible to us and where it was traveling to.

I’ve answered in a couple of different threads about the current speculation going on about sylvari and possible corruption. This is why I decided to dedicate a small thread to it for future reference and clarification.

Note, none of this is actually confirmed, it’s still theorycrafting/speculation, nothing more and nothing less.

A current theory is that sylvari born from the Pale Tree (there is at least one more tree where sylvari are born from out there, this is why I specifically say born from the Pale Tree) are ‘blessed’ with an immunity to dragon corruption. Said immunity being that they before getting corrupted.

Now, the theory about sylvari is based on that single line, I’ll repeat it one more time:
Sylari born from the Pale Tree.

Why is the Pale Tree so important? The Pale Tree has the Dream of Dreams in contrast to the other tree we know of. This makes it likely that said immunity origins from the Dream. It’s plausible that sylvari who are under the influence of the dream can not be corrupted.

We know that after Scarlet entered Omadd’s machine her connection to the Dream got severed. In other words: she is not under the influence of the dream anymore. This is different from the Soundless. The Soundless sylvari use continuous meditation to block themselves from the Dream but they still have a connection to it.

This makes Scarlet different. When Scarlet entered Omadd’s machine and her connection got, well, disconnected, she was vulnerable to Elder Dragon corruption. And I’ll say that again, Elder Dragon corruption. This means; every Elder Dragon, not specifically or exclusive to Mordremoths corruption.

This also makes it quite plausible that every sylvari spawned from Malyck’s tree is vulnerable to Elder Dragon corruption.

I hope I’ve been able to clarify a few things. However, I want to add a few more thing:

1: Sylvari, being from the Pale Tree or Malyck’s tree, are not born as dragon minions.
Sylvari who don’t have a connection the Dream of Dreams are vulnerable to corruption just like every other race is

2: Sylvari are not specifically tied to Mordremoth (until stated otherwise by devs)

3: Scarlet is not confirmed to be corrupted. It’s plausible, yes, but nothing more then that. To me, her ego indicates that she still had a free will. And a free will implies to non-corruption.

4: To continue on the above: the difference between corruption and influenced is that;

Corruption equals being brainwashed. A corrupted dragon minion is unconditionally devoted to his or her Elder Dragon. They lack free will.

Influenced is still being a devoted minion to his or her Elder Dragon but with free will. A good example are the Sons of Svanir and Icebrood.

Icebrood are corrupted beings by Jormag, Sons of Svanir are a cult. They are Norns influenced by Jormag, lured with promises of power.

Not only awaking though, she’s feeding him magic. She redirected the ley lines to him, breakfast on bed. It’s very likely that he will grow very strong, very fast.

Xukavi.4320:

Thanks for the info Jelle, sadly no backpiece for me so I’ll probably just watch it on youtube or something.

True, that speculation was that Sylvari and Mordy minions and Pale Tree is Mordy’s Champ. But from what I understood so farm from talk about this release is that it’s showing to be partly true. Like you said, the unprotected Sylvari (non-pale tree) are susceptible to corruption. I’m with you on that.

This however leads to another question: Why doesn’t Mordy have a champion? All the dragons we know of have champions that were trying to help it awaken. Primordus had the Great Destroyer and Jormag had Drakkar. Kralky had Glint but she rebelled, nevertheless, she was his champion. Why does Mordy not have a champion that tried help him awaken. This is why I believe a lot of people would think that The Pale Tree is his champion that rebelled. I for one, am not with that theory but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was that cheesy and Anet went with it. Do we know of any other trees having the same sort of Pale Tree but no Dream?

Finally, Anet has seemed to have had this all planned out a long time ago (possibly from the start). Once again, this would point out that unless they had 2 diff stories (which I doubt), the Fall of Abaddon should have had a place in all this somehow. Now I’m not gonna say Abaddon is alive or he’s coming back, but what if Scarlet’s “New Master” was that same thing that “passed through the Mists that only he knows” and it was a way of showing or hinting us towards that?

Champions are beatable as shown with the Great Destroyer, or turnable as shown with Glint. Something might have happened to his champion(s) in the previous rise. We can only speculate on his champions for now. Arguably, the Great Jungle Wurm is a candidate. We just don’t know enough yet.

‘The Great Jungle Wurm is an enormous Jungle Wurm in the heart of Wychmire Swamp, south of Twilight Arbor. Although it spawns Summoned Husks and Nightmare Hounds, Gamarien believes its presence there is the result of a “much darker force” than the Nightmare Court, and simply defeating it is not enough to clear the local corruption.’

‘The Great Jungle Wurm’s corpse will not disappear; however, when the meta event chain has restarted, the wurm will wake up and go back underground.’

Sons of Svanir are not corrupted though. They are a cult, there is a difference.

‘The Sons of Svanir are a cult of male norn who have turned to seek the power of the Elder Dragon Jormag, whom they call Dragon, believing it to be the ultimate totem spirit and in turn worship it rather than revering the Spirits of the Wild.’

Icebrood are corrupted,
Sons of Svanir are a cult.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

Xukavi.4320:

@Konig: That dialogue is indeed interesting, what if we have it the other way around. She wanted to disrupt the flow of magic, and that caught the attention of the dragon which caused him to start influencing her. What if her plans were to actually disrupt the flow in order to keep the magic from flowing to Mordy. Imo, this would fit nicely with the idea that it was Mordy’s plan and not Scarlet’s. Basically, Mordy used Scarlet tricking her into thinking she’d be denying him his awakening but in reality she was helping him.

Then again, I probably just want a twist to the story since I feel its really bland.

Her words state that “Tyria will bow to it’s new master!”

That’s a blatant statement of service to Modremoth if ever I saw one.

She of course has shown signs of wanting the public to give her and not her master the credit for her method of awakening her master(her ego is as big as her humongous drill it seems).

The fact that she has an ego makes it all the more likely that she is not corrupted . When do dragon minions ever have an ego?

Marquie Thomas.1873:

ukuni.8745:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mordremoth woke up around Magus Falls, following the cinematic. Not under Lion’s Arch.

I don’t see what’s weird about a sylvari heavily influence – if not corrupted – aiding Mordremoth’s rise, while a good sylvari not influenced nor corrupted aided in killing it. That’s like saying it’s weird Svanir, a norn, was serving Jormag, when norn are working to kill Jormag.

Im bad at explaining things and I’m on my phone which makes things a bit more difficult but i thought scarlet woke up mordre in lions arch and thought why would why would zhaitan target lions arch if mordremoth was there if and if sylvari wernt in some way dragon minions then why does it seem lIkea they are connected to him since a ssylvari woke him up and if he was under lions arch they would have essentially been defending him, if It wasn’t for the fact I miss informed myself it would seem like there was a war between these 2 dragon’s, but like I said I miss informed myself.

but then I was reading another post and you said something interesting and I can’t quote it since I’m on my phone but it was along the lines of, the dragons want to rule the world but it seems there is to many dragons, which would be a viable reason as to why dragons would target each other.

it seems a bit interesting and since I’m a lore noob I’d be happy for you to put me in my place if I’m totally wrong

If the dragons hate each other why not kill each other off long ago i think they just stay out of each others way and continue to eat magic till its time to sleep again. Any way scarlets did wake mordremoth up but the drill did not directly hit mrdremoth she just released a huge influx of layline energy that surged though out tyria and jumpstarted mordremoth from its slumber.

The dragons don’t hate each other as far as we know though. Rivarly, yes. Hatred, no.

Xukavi.4320:

I’m sorry but hasn’t it already been speculated that the sylvari are somehow related to Mordremoth? Wouldn’t this confirm that theory and that the Pale Tree is somehow keeping the corruption away from them. The only twist I see coming out of this is if Mordy is no an Elder Dragon hell bent on consuming everything in front of him and is actually a “good” dragon, which wouldn’t make much sense. This all brings about more questions than answers sadly. I’ll have to wait till I see the cinematic myself before I can theorycraft some more.

Also, is there a way to watch that cinematic in game without having to go through all the events? I heard there was a portal that could take you to the ship and you can see the cutscene.

Yes, if you own any version of the spinal blade back piece you can get in through the portal near the Tengu gate. Alternatively, you can look up the cutscenes on YouTube.

Most speculation about Mordremoth and sylvari is that the Pale Tree is a dragon champion and that sylvari are born dragon minions. People who have a brain and actually read facts know this to be very unlikely to say the least.

As I said in my post before this one, currently it is speculation that sylvari born from the Pale Tree and thus being under influence of the Dream have some form of immunity against corruption. Immunity meaning, they die before becoming corrupted.

This opens up further speculation that sylvari who are disconnected from the Dream (like Scarlet is and like the sylvari that come from another tree) can be corrupted. Because they’re disconnected from the Dream, they have lost their immunity.

This means that they can be corrupted by any dragon, not only Mordremoth.

What I was implying with my previous post was that it would make sense for Mordremoth to corrupt the possibly vulnerable Sylvari from the other Tree. This does not include the sylvari from the Pale Tree, the tree where we players come from.

macvanilla.4631:

I don’t know the definition of being corrupted.

But isn’t being influenced by a dragon the same as being corrupted?

No.

Corrupted equals being brainwashed. You don’t have any free will left after being corrupted. After being corrupted, a minion is unconitionally devoted to his Elder Dragon.

Influenced is different because when you’re influenced, not corrupted, you still have your free will. Still devoted, probably, but not brain washed.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

I’d say being influenced is being corrupted…

To those claiming the Sons of Svanir we talk to in Hoelbrak aren’t corrupted are likely deluding themselves.

They are likely Icebrood like the other Sons of Svanir. It goes without saying that Icebrood are likely intelligent.

Scarlet is likely a Dragon Champion of Modremoth. Whether other Sylvari are Dragon minions is unknown… We do know that Dragons can corrupt other Dragon minions so obviously whatever defenses Omadd’s machine broke are likely what’s keeping Sylvari from being corrupted.

Sylvari aren’t born as dragon minions. The new theory suggests that after being permanently severed from their connection to the Dream they can be corrupted. Previously, they would die instead of getting corrupted. This is based on the theory that the Dream makes sylvari immune for corruption.

DarcShriek.5829:

After all the hard wor that Scarlet went through to wake up her master, I think it’s a safe position to say that she was corrupted.

It’s plausible, that’s all. Read my reply to you on the ‘The range of an EDs influence [Spoiler]’ thread.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I would argue yes.

I would argue further. I would argue that the sylvari are immune because of the Dream. We were told that after the machine, Scarlet was disconnected from the Dream and it wasn’t a maintained meditation like the Soundless.

This would mean, therefore, that Malyck and his tree – which hold no Dream of Dreams experience – can be corrupted.

Also, Malyck’s tree is hinted to be somewhere in Magus Falls. Mordremoth is hinted to be somewhere in Magus Falls. With this new speculation about sylvari under the influence of the Dream being immune and sylvari who are not being corruptable, this might have some story ties.

DarcShriek.5829:

We spend 14 months trying to prevent a sylvari from awakening her master, an elder dragon. With all the heroes of Tyria, we failed in that task and yet I’m being told that there is no proof that sylvari can be corrupted. If the last season of the LS isn’t proof that a sylvari was a dragon champion, then there is no such thing as proof.

Let me put it this way:

As I understand it, in the [Lore] guild there is now speculation that sylvari born from the Pale Tree can not be corrupted. In other words, sylvari under the influence Dream can not be corrupted.

Scarlet broke/was disconnected from her ties to the Dream using Omadd’s machine, unlike the Soundless who are using meditation to stay disconnected from the Dream. This mean that arguably/possibly Scarlet could have been corrupted.

However, there is no proof she was corrupted and there is a huge difference in being corrupted and being influenced by an Elder Dragon.

The following is far from finished, but I thought it would be nice to make a start with this.

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Konig Des Todes.2086:

I really wish people stop claiming the sylvari are dragon minions as if it were a fact.

There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support that claim. It’s just raw speculation and all support the theory had has been debunked!

Let’s develop an equivalent to the reddiquette for the lore forums.
Point #1: Stating things as a fact is heavily discouraged.

Edit: as a matter of fact, I might just make a topic about this.

The Pact has lost loads of equipment and soldiers during the assault on Zhaitan, it is believed they are recovering and regrouping.

You’ve beaten me to this. +1.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Jelle.4623:

hardy.7469:

Maybe Mormedoth isn’t the “new” master, maybe. It’s somethign else. Like Abbadon even though he’s suppose to be dead.

Also who is the first “master” for there to be a new one? Lol

Where did you get ‘new master’ from?

Scarlet says it. “Tyria will bow to a new master now.” Or something along those lines.

Oh yeah, I know. I thought he meant that Scarlet had a new master. Whelp. kitten alert

hardy.7469:

Maybe Mormedoth isn’t the “new” master, maybe. It’s somethign else. Like Abbadon even though he’s suppose to be dead.

Also who is the first “master” for there to be a new one? Lol

Where did you get ‘new master’ from?

hunter steele.7836:

All spoilers!!!

A:Scarlet got crazy because she saw the eternal alchemy and mordermoth trying to control here
A:yes she was trying to find him through ley lines and kill him
Guess: she saw mordermoth uprising in eternal alchemy

that is all what i have.

… no. Scarlet was definetly not trying to kill Mordremoth through the ley lines. She basically gave him breakfast on bed, she’s feeding him by redirecting the ley lines.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Mordremoth was the sixth Elder Dragon, the only one not awake yet. And only one that could have been in the Maguuma Jungle.

Jelle.4623:

What we saw in the end cinematic looks to be traveling in the direction of the Maguuma Jungle, so possibly Mordremoth.

It’s more specific than that.

You pass through Kryta (Kessex Hills/the area between Kessex and LA); you see Thaumanova (with its pillar of light even – now revealed as a breach in the ley line given it is the same color and glows as t he cracks pass through), and passes through an arid wasteland (Dry Top? Ettin’s Back?), into lush areas again.

Following the line, he’s in or past The Falls of GW1. In Magus Falls by GW2 terminology.

Yeah I know, I just gave a short simplified answer :P

What we saw in the end cinematic looks to be traveling in the direction of the Maguuma Jungle, so possibly Mordremoth.

Will be finished uploading ~60 minutes from now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDL8ILOJEXc&feature=youtu.be
^Spoilers, obviously.

Yeah, also near Divinity’s reach, which I can’t remember seeing thumpers at.

^I’ll put up a video in a bit

Hey guys,

I just did the Kill Scarlet part. In the final cutscene you can see the drill hitting the intersection of ley lines, redirecting them. If you poke around the control panels after said cutscene you can get some dialogue from it (engineers get more detailed dialogue).

‘Scarlet intended to disrupt the ley lines, not tap in to them’. The ley lines are now redirected to feed possibly Mordremoth, you can see them traveling in the direction of the Maguuma Jungle. You pass through Kryta > you see Thaumanova > passes through an arid wasteland and back into lush areas again.

I’ll put up a video in a bit, skip to the last few minutes for the cutscene and the various dialogues.

Non-Engineer PoV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDL8ILOJEXc&feature=youtu.be

Engineer PoV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCntYvGOc4o&feature=youtu.be (<-also a shorter version)

Made me remember this post:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/The-True-Master-of-the-Mystic-Forge/first#post1061189

;0 I only said two runs because that’s what we did last week, I’m always up for more.

Will everyone have enough time for 2 runs again?

@therapite, I’m free all night! Everything works for me.

And thanks Narcemus!
Yeah, that is a shame. Maybe we see it back when Scarlet is defeated though!

Edit: And oh yeah! I finally have figured out the audio problem, this time for real. Next recording will finally have in-game audio, woohoo!

Oh right! I forgot he was freed. Urgh, minor detail. Oops.

And they wouldn’t have had to fight alongside :p Oh well, I clearly favor Elona, hehe.

Hehehe I remember that.

Back to Tyria vs Elona, Elona has 2 undead fighting for them. The eternal ghost of Turai Ossa and Palawa himself so still; Elona wins!

But Koss… always wins…
But yeah, or General Whatshername who teached Varesh about Abaddon. I bet she would know a couple of nice magic tricks.

Edit: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/General_Kahyet
Funny how it says ‘Elonian Gods’ instead of Human Gods.

I loved the bonus mission pack. That would be something great in GW2.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

Jelle.4623:

>Tyria attacks Elona
>Both sides lose troops
> Palawa Joko uses GW1 Aura of the Lich
>Palawa Joko wins

>>Devs nerf Necro’s
>>Palawa Joko’s power is severely stunted
>>Tyria wins

>>>Palawa hides in the hidden former Sunspear Sanctuary
>>>Palawa reanimates Koss
>>>Palawa wins

>Tyria attacks Elona
>Both sides lose troops
> Palawa Joko uses GW1 Aura of the Lich
>Palawa Joko wins

Hmm well there are more faults in that crew, couple of days back I added an anomaly in the wiki for that instance, the first mate implies that the captain is a Charr but he is a Norn… So the Humble wouldn’t be the only mistake in their dialogue. Either that or there are unexplained reasons for them showing up on the Glory instead of the Humble.

Again, doesn’t have to be Scarlet. Pirates probably haven’t always been pirates, there might be deserters from a military force among them. Also, pirates are bound to have have captains, first mates, quarter masters and a few other ranks where I don’t know the English term for. These guys make good sergeants I guess.

^for training you have sergeants, you don’t need Scarlets for that.

Are they? I’m almost sure that they were said to be the crew of the Humble. And the greetings (if any) they gave wasn’t anything special, at least not that I noticed. I remembered the Second Mate’s line because I found it odd that a Pact soldier said something like that.

The Humble(?) actually, the Glory of Tyria was still being build/worked on in that mission.

And I don’t know, the captain and first mate didn’t have any pirate greetings although they were talking in ‘pirate’-like English.

Well, there is this Pact second mate of an airship who shouts ‘Why join the military when you can become a pirate!’ so I wonder if maybe the Aetherblades faction started to take form before Zhaitans death and that Scarlet just ‘enhanced’ the faction. (It’s late, I can’t think of a better word for it)

I don’t remember his name but he is in Fort Trinity (I saw him in the instance version, when you collect your reward for slaying the sovereign eye, the last mission before the kill Zhaitan part)

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I, personally, feel the lore and story of games are essential to my enjoyment. I play for the same reason that I read, or write- i want to get out of my world for a bit and into another. To me it seems like the people who don’t value the world must be masochists to put up with the grinding and the zerging without even the payoff of enjoying the context. I’m more happy sitting in the middle of a city for hours at a time soaking up the ambient dialogue than I am spending half an hour running the latest and shiniest content with a group.

This describes how I feel about reading books, writing stories and games and their lore/story.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

He was a genuine devotee of the Six Gods, with a faith that was true and earnest.

Technically speaking, wouldn’t he be a devotee of the Five Gods and Abaddon? Since Abaddon was no longer acknowledged as one of the Six? But I guess the current term of ‘follower of the Human Gods’ is fitting as well.

Anyway, I wonder why Abaddon never used Reza as a minion like Shiro and Vizier Khilbron. Especially because Reza says that he is the most powerful of the Orrian kings.

Also Konig, on another note, last week I suggested that Scarlet might be influenced by a demon of the mists. If I recall it correctly you dismissed that by saying that demons of the mist don’t have mind control abilities (which is correct in the GW universe as far as I know) but what about intelligent demons like Razakel? He is the demon who converted Vizier Khilbron to a follower of Abaddon. I’m not implying that Scarlet is a follower of Abaddon since he is dead and long gone but she might be influenced by a demon like him.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Razakel

Well, I guess that would make him a ‘faithful follower of One Human God’ :P

Problem solved! Aaron edited it for me, thanks

Hey guys,

I wanted to edit something on the King Reza page but it seems I’m not able to edit the intro text.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/King_Reza

The following is untrue:

- King Reza was the last human king of Ruins of Orr. Known to be a faithful follower of the Six Human Gods

The GW1 wiki has it right, during his time humans followed the five, not the six.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Snip.

With amazing I meant amazing potential. :P interactive maps are a great way to release hidden teasers and recap past events

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2S5siA_ML4

Yeah.

Edit: that atlas is amazing :O

Yeah I saw that on reddit, interesting!

I tried Windows Movie Maker but it feels… too limited I think you can say. I have a feeling there should be software out there with more customization options then WMM. I’ll try to look a bit more into though! Thanks!