Guild Wars 2

Krone.4605:

can someone explain me, why should i even try crafting exotic armor if i would have to grind for ascended one?

The same reason you would grind for greens before you get exotic in my eyes.

Do not worry. Im sure anet have protected there baby and will have oppurtunity to cancel there contract weith ncsoft and find another company to do what ncsoft does for them.

Also, its not impossible for ncsoft to learn from there mistakes. its the best way to learn as it happens

Namu.5712:

Jezath.7395:

I agree with these points fixit and namu. wvwvw gives stat bonuses so you could say it is more important than Spvp. However imho its 200 vs 200 or whatever the population cap is and a fw point of stats on maybe 25% of players will not make that big a difference.

Ya if you get aoed by 20 players your gonna die regardless of if they are in exotic gear or ascended really.

It would really only make a huge difference in small group pvp, which is rather rare depending on the server. If it were say 5v5 and 5 had all ascended and the other for whatever reason had exotics and lower then they would be at a disadvantage. But again something like that would be very rare.

Which now makes me curious on how its aquired through WvW…. badges?

Im guessing bud, but i think this gear will be all tied around the new dungeon and there wont be any other way to get hold of it. I agree this would kinda suck a bit tho Would be nice to be able to craft it or obtain a wvwvw version with badges

I agree this would make the forums alot more user friendly

Well this is also true for people in white gear compared to blue, or blue compared to green. Its always been the case, why so worried now?

Yeah, there not gone there just back to how they used to be.. BUT, we cant really say till a thourough examination is done

I agree with these points fixit and namu. wvwvw gives stat bonuses so you could say it is more important than Spvp. However imho its 200 vs 200 or whatever the population cap is and a fw point of stats on maybe 25% of players will not make that big a difference.

Namu.5712:

fixit.7189:

Namu.5712:

WvW was never ment to be equal. I do know they said that for a fact. They specifically said if you want even pvp join spvp matches because WvW isn’t that.

On that note how many times are you 1v1 in wvw…. I rarely find that.

If it was meant to be equal, your level 2 character joining WvW would have full traits, and exotics + sigils, just like spvp.

They scale you sure but thats so that you don’t get farted on by a level 80 and fall over dead before you can even react….

Right now there is absolutely no stat difference between true 80s since there is no gear disparity if both have exotics. After these changes it will have an impact, a massive one at that. Imagine a thief hitting for 5k now, instead hitting for 6.5k after? That breaks the game for true 80s and the lower levels.

Last not, the scaling tech is pretty good here in GW2. My level 2 is capable of smacking a true 80 for up to 6k if I get lucky. Difference is not really gear but the amount of differences in amount of skills/slots unlocked. A level 40+ can compete pretty well actually; stack your prefered stats and the scaling tech will buff them.

Having said that, Wv3 is end game for many of us and it is unsettling they are so quick to wreck whatever balance has been done so far; it actually will throw it entirely out of whack and will inevitably result in knee jerk, over done nerfs to classes and their abilities. I see it coming.

Ya you say that but thats not how they view WvW. My warrior can one shot non 80’s as it is.

A level 2 tank build vs a level 80 tank build is a major difference for example. talking like 10k -15k difference then defense wise the 80 will have much higher rating stat wise.

Also it sounds like you recieve this new gear through WvW as well so if you are a WvW end game player its likely you will recieve the items anyways as they come out.

But that aside, its not meant to be equal. Plain and simple. An 80 in exotics right now will do the same to a 80 in blues and greens as an 80 in ascended gear will do to an 80 in exotics. I was pretty much instant exotics by 80 anyways, they weren’t hard to get by any means… time invested leveling was the same time invested for endgame gear really.

Heres from the wiki:
In WvW, characters will have their effective level boosted to 80 but do not receive any new abilities or gear, and experience must still be gained to unlock them. Therefore, higher level characters will still be more powerful than lower level characters, despite both having the same effective level. Levels gained in WvW are kept and a player may level to the maximum 80 entirely within WvW.

They have explicitley stated that this gear will not effect PVP. Now, im not sure about wvwvw but in the tournements at least it will remain balanced and you will not see this gear in there. I wouldent be suprised if they scale down the gear to exotic lvl in wvw also. but this is just conjecture we do not know either way on this point yet.

I stand corrected Zplus. thankyou.

Shadow Blade.1324:

Ballistic.4531:

They are increasing stats on Legendary items. No more optional-anything. Legendary weaps are a must, and soon Legendary armor as well.

thought that wasn’t due for several months (next year basically) after they drip feed us the rest of the ascended armour etc when they introduce ascended wepons

but nothing else is getting upgrades which i beleive is what was being implied

Jezath.7395:

Correct me please if i am wrong but they dident say if it would be legendarys or not. They just said they will be upgrading items already ingame to bring them inline with the new gear and make it so that it was not a wasted effort to get those items..
thus mjolnir etc are worthless unless you want a pretty expensive skin for that new ascended wepon youll be rocking

ah its nice to infer things correctly

" Legendary items were always intended to be on par with other “best-in-slot” items. So fear not, all existing Legendary weapons, which are currently on par with Exotics, will be upgraded to be on par with Ascended weapons at the same time that we add Ascended weapons to the game. Thus Legendaries will remain “best-in-slot” items"

^ from linsey’s post

Changing the quote from my post does not make it true. I did not say this last sentance in the quote.

nice post frizz i agree with your sentiments I do.

Ok i stand corrected they said legendarys were on par with exotics, now they will change legendarys to remain best in slot item. They havent said they wont change exotics also, in fact they have even said legendarys were designed to be the same as exotics so this almost infers they will change exotics also.

However, this is not the issue I feel. I feel the main issue at theheart of this discussion is wether anet lied to players about there manifesto. http://www.arena.net/blog/guild-wars-2-design-manifesto This is a link to that manifesto that alot of people are mentioning.

Mike O’Brian typed the following..

It all gets back to our basic design philosophy. Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward. Our games are designed to be fun from moment to moment.

I’m sorry but this is all i can see here about gear. I dont feel they have lied to you about a gear grind as this wasent specifically mentioned. Im sure it wasent mentioned for the exact reason we see here today in this thread and what is being discussed but hey, mute point huh?

Our games aren’t about preparing to have fun, or about grinding for a future fun reward.

Lets break this sentance down and really take a look at it.

This new dungeon and gear is not about preparing to have fun, this I feel is true but to be honest the oppisite conclusion can also be obtained from this.

Or about grinding for a future fun reward.

This dungeon is not about grinding for a future fun reward either. However! the oppisite conclusion could also be extrapolated from this sentance and what is occuring also.

Basically, what im getting at, is that they havent actually lied about anything because the manifesto is deliberatly vague on this point. For this I dont blame them, people on the internet these days will try to find holes in anything people say in order to "prove" there point is the right one.

Now I agree, we should get a clear explanation about all this to stop all this conjecture that is flying about. Until that time I beleive that we havent been lied to and that thjey are doing exactly what they promised.

Urxx.6840:

Jezath.7395:

I agree with you ganzo and i feel the same way. I do. However I really truly beleive that this is not happening here. They are upgrading the stats of gear already ingame. Im sorry if im starting to sound like a broken record here but really, people seem to be missing this major point.

They are upgrading the stats of legendaries, not exotics. Legendaries are owned by a tiny percentage of the player base, and so far are only limited to weapons anyway.

All armors and most weapons today are at most exotics (because stat-wise there isn’t anything better in the game) and will become more and more obsolete.

Which is the opposite of what was promised in the manifesto and in other statements by ANet representatives.

Correct me please if i am wrong but they dident say if it would be legendarys or not. They just said they will be upgrading items already ingame to bring them inline with the new gear and make it so that it was not a wasted effort to get those items..

However… If this is not the case, I agree that they have gone back on there word if there words were that they would never bring out a new tier of gear with better stats. I havent seen those words exactly though, as with most press releases they are deliberatly vague in some areas. You must understand ( i dont mean to sound condescending here) that games especially MMO evolve over time. If they stay stagnant then they will eventually rot and wither away.

I do not envy anets position here, they are trying to please everyone and that in itself is an almost impossible task. I really feel sorry for them. Remember if you try to please everyone you will end up pleasing no-one. All you can do is please some and upset others.

Im glad i dont work in there HR department right now. Imagine all the hard work that they have put into this game so far only to have people critisize and draw conjecture before the patch has even been released. This must be terribly depressing and morale killing.

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People calling for refunds are in my opinion vbeing aliuttle childish, it is coming across as i they cant have it there way they will try to bring the game crashing down around everyone else out of spite. Im not saying this is true but it is how it comes across to me.

I have an open mind as much as the next guy. In the past, I have taken a stance and been proved wrong so i have retracted my statements and agreed that i was wrong.

However, I am firm in the beleif that I am not wrong on this. Im trying not to draw conclusions before the patch has been released and i get a chance t0o play through it and see for real if this is going to be a gear treadmill/vertical progression/gear grind, or not.

I know, i have drawn conclusions on the positive side but many also have drawn conclusions on the negative side. Everyone sees things according to there own values and experience and i accept this.

I say this to you, give it a chance… Wait to see what is actually going to happen, This discussion is good and you can rest assured that anet is reading every post on here and making notes. It wouldent make any sense for them to alienate a large portion of there playerbase. However! This malkes iot also true that you should have a little faith. Try not to read between the lines and only take what they have said as fact.

This is what am doing and I feel that they have not betrayed anyone or anything they have said yet.

toomuchtatose.6874:

SuddenlyOnFire.3162:

I am truly perplexed at the reaction of some people.
Are you guys really complaining about getting new stuff every month for free? Do you really don’t get it that they are throwing with content at us for free? Are you really saying I’m gonna stop playing their game because they added too much stuff and I want to prove how manly I am on the forums ?

Even if they do add a gear treadmill (which they don’t), even if they do add new item tiers on a regular base (which they will NOT do, stop reading between the bloody lines … “oh noes, why did they say 3 months? why not 4? is 3 a secret code for ‘mwuahahahaha’?”), they are still the best MMO company in my eyes. Because they kept the most important promise: Unparalleled content release rate which we don’t even have to pay for.

Am I also the only one who vaguely remembers the gazillion other trolls on the forum posting that there is nothing to do at lvl 80? I am quite positive that some them are also complaining here.

You should be perplexed, those level 80 trolls are the ones applauding for the new gears.

You must also understand that we (the gamers) also need to put effort & time to enjoy the new content, it takes both hands to clap.

I doubt complainers will stop playing the game, most will just be stopping their microtransactions and spend less time on GW2, thats all. This will hurt GW2, and bring it to a slippery spiral.

im sorry but the supposition in your post just gos too far.. I took a little offense at this as I am in no way a troll. I really enjoy this game and I also support the new patch fully, please go through my posts if you do not beleive me. I support this patch but I have never moaned about nothing to do at level 80.

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I agree with you ganzo and i feel the same way. I do. However I really truly beleive that this is not happening here. They are upgrading the stats of gear already ingame. Im sorry if im starting to sound like a broken record here but really, people seem to be missing this major point.

I understand that many have bought the game so they would not get a grind and for that badhealer i really feel yopur pain. There is ALOT of grind in this game. No matter how its camoflaged. This i agree with but the vertical progression i do not agree with.

cherrie, I said your analogy was flawed, i dident actually comment on the rest of your post. What i said still stands you dident address it. I say again, imho This is not vertical progression it is horizontal. They are increasing stats of gear already in the game.

I understand if your angry or hurt or feel betrayed, but i think these feelings are coming from confusion and fear of change of whats happening here.

Sorry cherrie but i feel this is horizontal progression. If they said they wernt going to increase the stats of gear already in the game then yes i would agree this is vertical progression as you put it. But they are increasing stats of gear in the game already.. They havent said if this would be solely legendarys or not. so in fact they are in my mind adding in a layer of content to help casual players out. They are bringing in some gear that people can aquire along the road to aquiring there legendarys.

cherrie.8907:

Naoko.7096:

Euthil.5209:

Now, this so called “fashion treadmill” is only a treadmill if you make it out to be, since beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Yes. Exactly. Same for “gear treadmill” is only a treadmill if you make it out to be.
Imo, ascended is not a form of treadmill, but a progression.

Game with Treadmill : Carrot on the stick while the carrot is the content/goal. This means no matter how much you grind, you can never reach the content and goal.

Game with Progression : There’s a line of carrots by the road. Once you ate the carrot, there is another. You walk to each one at a time. You progresses.

Game without Progression : All the carrots are given to you. Once you ate all the carrots, you feel full. There’s no more carrots there. You decided to move on to another place (game) to find another batch of carrots. – All console games are like this.
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“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” is exactly the reason why skin progression isn’t effective in end-game. Once players are satisfied with their armor looks, they have no more reasons to play even when there’s more skins content unlock. Players can wear only one set of looks anyway. They can still play the game, but with no goals left.

I don’t know about other players but personally, I find it extremely demotivating to play a game with no goals or rewards. When there’s no goals, I start to find it pointless and the content became tasteless. The game knows the best when there’s no more goals. We can see a drop of players in maps after they reached the wall. Players who used to play 5 hours per day only start to log in once every few days after they feel full satisfaction.

You are wrong, and very much so.

Empiric proof: GW1 was a success. The game hasn’t died even when no new content was added for 5+ years and only treadmill was the fashion one, and it was such a success that ANet decided to make another game like it, just better. People played for years with no stats progression whatsoever.

Gear treadmill is not “in the eye of the beholder”, as better gear is tangibly better: higher stats mean higher performance.

GW2 was indeed to be about progression.
But simply saying “what we’re doing is not treadmill/vertical progression, it just character progression” does not change the facts.

This game has – and GW1 had – goals and rewards and plenty of them.
If you didn’t like their type, why did you buy this game or why didn’t you and players like you leave for games that offered what you wanted? As you can see in this thread (and by GW1 success) such design perfectly satisfied a lot of people.

I dissagree with your conclusions. Your empiric proof is flawed i feel. By this analogy then AC1 (asherons call) the grandfather of mmporgs is also still succesful, its still around today in fact and that game came out in the early 90’s. In that game it was ALL about the grind and that is succesful also.

I think that is a leap too far krone.. I dont think its nessecary to draw that conclusion yet. I took a look at what mechanics for pay as you go gameplay that swtor are bringing in and i was stunned. Its like they dont want any players to stick around and i got a warm and fuzzy feeling inside as my mind drifted towards the pay as yoyu go mechanics of this beloved game.

Urxx.6840:

Jezath.7395:

I really am not sure why this is such a problem, for myself I also spent alot of cash/time on exotics and getting geared out. But I am very happy with the new ascended gear as I know it will add months and months of more enjoyment for me, this time however i wont have to do AC a load of times to get my exotics/cash/tokens I can do the fractal dungeon and get the peices from doing the bosses there.

That’s a very good attitude. But if one has the benevolence and equanimity of the Dalai Lama and takes a wrong thing in a very good way, that doesn’t make the wrong thing right.

haha nice analogy my friend This statement you make is very true, however I do not feel it is wrong what they have done.. I dont feel they have broken any promises… yet..

im pretty sure i depends on the breed and if it is male or female. for some reason though i do remember black tips on wings?

Actually XxTAFxX Im coming around i do think it may be a ghost it is pretty white and alot of bloom...

The gap between exotic and legendary aquisition is by no means imaginary. I for one dident miss all the posts about legendarys and the RNG system.

Xipher we already have gated content in this game from release. You cannot aquire legendarys until you have explored 100% of the map including wvwvw areas even if your a pve player. You cannot do explore mode on a dungeon until you have done the story mode. Alot of players wont let you in there explore group unless you have done explore mode at least once before or in the case of arah also have decent gear like exotics.. Ok the last one isent really gated content but you catch my drift for sure.

I really am not sure why this is such a problem, for myself I also spent alot of cash/time on exotics and getting geared out. But I am very happy with the new ascended gear as I know it will add months and months of more enjoyment for me, this time however i wont have to do AC a load of times to get my exotics/cash/tokens I can do the fractal dungeon and get the peices from doing the bosses there.

I feel alot of companys are now adopting the approach of adding a new layer of progression after level cap instead of just increasing the level cap. Just increasing the level cap nowadays can be seen as a lazy way of extending the game, if this is the correct way of thinking or not i am not sure.

thanks urxx thats much better, I agree with you on your final 3 paragraphs and the first but not the second. I feel this will add a much needed stopgap between legendarys and exotics.

Urxx.6840:

Namu.5712:

So sitting in the forums throwing a fit about it is a exercise in futility.

So why are you here?

Taking the final paragraph from a post is a little biased imo, this could be taken out of context as you most obviously have.

Anyway on the op subject and the discussion that has evolved from it ill say this.

Can you blame anet for not wanting to make a remark like if they will or will not add progression etc etc etc" and all things of a similar beat, look at the reaction to one statement made during the press hype, which as many of you are fond of saying was just hype...

What level are you right now? if your within 5 levels it shouldent be too hard.

Also you wont have to be 80 because they will upscale u.

Its the embodiment of a god!

But i domnt think it a ghost. Herons/cranes are normally that colour

please check this link... https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Lost-Shores-Heads-Up

nope not yet.. thats not to say it wont increase, but i think it unlikely also.

yes it is... If you press "H" it will take u to your ragdoll and equppied items. Above the equipped items to the direct left of the ragdoll you will find a small eyedropper. Click here and it will give you the dye panes.

Thanks for pointing it out for me. I appreciate it (its not sarcasm). I dont feel any content is going top be gated as you say burned toast. If you go into arah with level 10 gear you wont survive very long at all... This is what they are implementing in this new dungeon.. I dont think it will STOP you per say but it will make it alot harder if you decide not to use the infusions. With infusions being a mystic forge recipe, i think they are making it so they are easy to get not the other way around.

naka.8457:

hell no

btw ANet: false advertising is in many countries illegal. that teh game do NOT have a gear treadmill was one of the biggest sell-points. gonna check this up asap.

Also a kitten in the face to those insane lies in that blog-post: do not even think about mixing GW1 into this.

Really? You said this really? Oh dear…. All games evolve overtime and at the POS it was as advertised. This requirement they fullfilled so there is no problem here on that basis.

Look.... The new gear is maybe 1 or 2 points better than the current exotic level, if yoyu check carefully the items are exotic stats with exotic upgrades already applied. the infusion will not give stat upgrades it is to counteract the agony that prevents you from delving deeper into the dungeon. So please stop all this raging everyone

Look... Everyone is totall;y out of control with there defiance of these ascended items.. The items are pretty much the same as exotics, its just insterad of having to upgrade them, the upgrade is already in them.. The infusion as far as i understand it is only effective in the new dungeon being released.. So I really donyt see what the problem is... Everyone was moaning about the grind for legendarys so they put something inbetween exotic and legendary. Now people are moaning about that, c’mon guys you cant have it both ways :S

OP: unfortunatly by what has been stated from lindsey murdock, you will need these new infusions in your ascended gear in order to travel to the deepest reaches of this new dungeon.. however you wont need it at the beggining of the new dungeon.. This agony mechanic as you say will be very interesting, im thinking saome of the infusions will be a Heal tick to counteract the agony health tick

Yes for me. new ascemnded items are an awesome idea!!

If you contact anet, you can arrange a refund with no problems at all.

There is an email address somewhere around here that you can use to contact them.

Turn off utorrent. worked for me.

its thinking along these lines that caused the second world war

I dissagree with you here Tzash. I feel that the social problems are compounded by the very design of the multi guild system as it stands. It at thevery least needs tweaking in some way. check my post back along and u will c my ideas for it.

Its VERY obvious that the way players are currently controlling this area is not what anet intended to happen. The enviromental traps are there for a reason! Use them.. Dont grief with artillery peices when you should be playing fair and using the traps or your own abilitys..

Anet should fix this and prevent srty from being used here or play with the view distance inside this place or something... Each side has his own portal so why not seperate the sides and have them only be able to attack erach other using the traps or some fixed emplaments, this would make it fun, challenging and would stop all the arguments on both sides.

The people defending it here are the exact same people who spend all there day at the puzzle spamming arty on one little square....

Amg not again..... you should delete those dyes!! i wasent online so no-one is allowed to keep them :p

I agree this needs to be sorted but i also think that if you join a group you should follow the leaders strategy etc

Mkalafut I have to say I fully and whole heartedly agree with you absolutley 100~% .
I have gotten extremley frustrated with this aspect of the game also, i agree that the issues are inherant in the design. IE the way it stands at the moment encourages you to play selfishly whereas guild are concerned.

I was 2nd in charge of a guild on an EU server and we were at about 280 members with maybe 30-40 active on a weekend night. Every single day I would be rolling down thru the roster whispering guild members about the requirements of the guild membership being that they must represent and must sign up to the website.

It was hell.... Ive never had an issue like this in any guild ive ran since the early 90’s in asherons call. Never... That to me says that this system is not working as intended or is just not a good system. Its ok i mean they cant do everything perfect but they should remove this imho.

I also would get rude replys with people saying hell i dont care stop bothering me etc etc. These people i kicked from the guild immediatley as It was stated plainly in the guild rules and also it shows a massive lack of commitment in my eyes to the guild if you just cant be ~~~~ed to represent or sign up to website.

You see a guild to me is a community that you become a part of and then that community helps you expand your game beyond what has been designed content wise.. For instance guild run events.. For myself in most mmo I have played I have only stayed because of the community and because of the fun times I have within my guild. It extends the lifespan of a game for me by years sometimes. This is not happening in guild wars and I have also been very worried about it.

People dont seem to care anymore about the guildmembers, guild chat, or anything guild related unless they are asking you to put a boost on or a banner up... I have recently left the guild I was in 2nd command of due to the fact that players just were not respecting the time and dedication that I had put into the guild. This system is extremley shallow and something really must be done...

Either implement something along the lines of meeting an influence threshold before you gain boons or can use banners. Or maybe a penatly for leaving and joining another guild perhaps with no buffs or boons on that charcter then for a week at least. I’m just bandying round ideas here that may solve this issue or at least work towards resolving it.. hmmm.. It really is a hard one to solve and i think the only reasonable thing to do would be to place a limit of maybe 3 guilds for starters, implement a /who for guilds, Implement ingame advertisaing for guilds, Add the ability for custom channels and put a timer on representing once you stand down. For instance if you stand down from a guild then you have a 24 hour timer before you can represent again. Unless you are of a certain rank in the guilds mentioned. the guild leader can then tick that box on whateveer ranks he wants to safegaurd in a way his community that he has worked so hard to create.

As has been said previously It doesent matter if you state at the beggining that you require this and require that because it seems that these young people# nowadays will just lie there way in and not bother with representing or attending guild events or signing up to website etc etc etc etc..

Failing those ideas just get rid of it :P

#Disclaimer: I dont mean to upset young people in gw2 with what I have said it just is a fact that this happens mostly with the younger generation. There are some younger people that are way more mature beyond there years though and I accept that.

something to add to this, magic find is only applied on monster kill not loot.

Also, it doesent work on chests only on mobs.

let this be a warning to all those people doing jump puzzles.. make sure bags r empty it will save u some heartache..

FIX: a good fix would be to maybe put these in overflow like every other item in game or at least a warning...

Jumping puzzle where you kill a keeper and then ghet the four canticles to open the chest.

Well im pretty upset as it goes… I jump for all four and go thru dialogue in order to get the canticles and guess what?!!?

I get to the chest and i cant open, i open my bags to find them full, i thern delte some items in order to make the canticles appear and they do not appear…..

So it seems i must do this ALL over again?? this really sucks anet i rage quit and came here to post, it took me hours to get these done and nothing to show for it….. no warning that i needed space in my bag nothing…….

o man im sorry for you.. thanks for finding out..

1st loot of chest at gold reward for event near fountain spot in LA is witches hat...
2nd loot of chest is 10 ToT bags

also the witches hat goes in too but only highlights other armor peices... the mad king costume tho.... it highlights the other peices and nothing else.,.