Guild Wars 2

eithinan.9841:

Jinks.2057:

Oozo.7856:

In this thread, people who run in 25-30 man guild blobs complain about it being hard to find good fights.

Running 30+ in a guild group is just a kittening zerg.

Noticed the “elite” guilds do that.

I dont know man. The right 30 person group can wipe a queue zerg. I have been on both sides of this equation. Very few things are as demoralizing as that and can knock a large force to another map.

Done whooped zergs with 15-20 before.

30 is just overkill

Im not spending an extra cent on this game until they start catering to me.

In fact we all should do just this

kartek.6428:

Sam Halleck.3156:

I seriously thought that after a year, thieves would stop 2 spamming. If nothing else, these two servers have shown me that they still haven’t taught their thieves anything but the 2 mash. Keep it up guys.

lol yep ive seen more 22222222 thieves from ebay than any other server

Ours spam 2 yours spam 4

Go fig

Oozo.7856:

In this thread, people who run in 25-30 man guild blobs complain about it being hard to find good fights.

Running 30+ in a guild group is just a kittening zerg.

Noticed the “elite” guilds do that.

kelman.9451:

WvW is the one thing that GW2 has above other games. Up and coming is Everquest Next, now this game has some big promises and some big ideas, if they come through with what they say, it may draw many away from GW2 PvE player base, WvW is the one thing that could keep GW2 going for some time. PvE gets old and stale quickly for some of us, and some of us bought GW2 for WvW mostly.

Every post like this just makes me smile

DaBleuberry.1780:

If people are considering the Orb Buffs to be considered an unfair advantage in a GvG, how do people feel about the World vs. World buffs? I don’t know them all on the top of my head but I do think that one gives you extra HP. Wouldn’t those be considered an unfair advantage as well?

Go fish

aka try again

Odinzu.9645:

probably just forgot honestly, he was pretty fast on ours!

Could be right since Agg promptly xfer’d off Mag after the conclusion of the match

Genev.2450:

Jinks.2057:

Ya nope

Its ok just admit you’re wrong

NEVER! YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!

The process of your brain discerning the mistake has already been completed.

Just admit it publicly

Evalana.5480:

Snafu.7412:

Jinks.2057:

Snafu.7412:

BP obviously was holding back the PvF last week. This thread looks promising.

BP as a server is perhaps the most boring server to fight in all phases period

DR are studs and fun. Will give credit where credit is due.

(The guild, not the server.)

I’m obviously talking about the server not a guild

Rawnoodles.1398:

Good fights!

Glad to see NS and Agg back up in T1

PLX Team

This made me laugh IRL

Snafu.7412:

BP obviously was holding back the PvF last week. This thread looks promising.

BP as a server is perhaps the most boring server to fight in all phases period

Ya nope

Its ok just admit you’re wrong

Jackie.1829:

Jinks.2057:

Not in sPvP.

Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…..I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

You going to be like the other chumps and start accusing spvp? Sac propaganda get to you?

The populations for wvw and spvp are fairly similar

Stopped reading right there. Take this as an invite to come back down to reality.

ps. I’ll give ya a hint…..Devs have already hinted at WvW populations

Dico.4815:

Let’s invade heart of the mists and make gvg 10vs10 !

Still have to put up w/ kittenty stats and I thought 8v8 was the max??

Brando.1374:

Why isnt the Official score up yet on the site?

Im asking because the Ark vs GF was up withing a few min.

Guessing Jericho didn’t verify it for some reason……….

Its up now tho

Aberrant.6749:

SykkoB.9465:

imo this league and orb kitten is gonna really hurt wvw, your gonna have servers with more coverage cap everything, forcing smaller servers to have even less ppl in wvw. Now that everything is capped ,you would normally have small scales battles still(roamers) or even GvGs/Duels, and other community driven stuff that would make the matches a little kitten ring , but now the Larger servers will have this buff making even thos battles tainted.

Again this isnt about GvG/dueling or anything like that, its just an example. I know leagues r short term, but i think the damage will be done and ppl will be over it.

And it keeps coming back to them trying to force us out of WvW and into Spvp, like that is the answer. Lets face it Spvp is small scale WvW where if you avoid combat and PVD you win

…and people don’t avoid player combat to go and capture points/kill the lord in sPvP to win?

Unlike sPvP you can do so much more than defend/attack points

Also there are ppl who enjoy smashing those blobs with a small amount of ppl ^^

This thread is delivering so far.

We got Mag All Stars failing in PvF

We got SoS claiming superiority about failing in NA prime time but night capping.

BANE from SoS is asking to GvG…..will the Super Stars dodge????

AND

I finally googled a condi build and bought some Perplex runes….I’ve qualified for SWaG awaiting my invite fellas

Comprissent.3856:

To all ebay

please don’t be boring tonight. Thank you

Good to see Mag All Stars starting off strong

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Jinks.2057:

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Perception =/= Reality, go to the pvp forums and post this topic, Pvp is definetly not the focus, might have the “publicity” but not the focus, its been stated many times already, all game modes especially wvw are the focus.

and fyi, Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

No WvW is not the focus.

We don’t want orb bonuses

We don’t want siegewars

PvP is dead. When PAX only gets that many subscribers for a major tourney and the comments are from ppl who don’t play…its dead. When I step into the mists and am the ONLY person there b/c I’m waiting on a WvW queue….its dead.

If WvW was the focus we’d have Devs listening to us…….they are ignoring what WvW players are telling them and continuing to focus on a dead (yes you can’t prove otherwise) gametype.

thank you

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/SpehssMehreen-5897/showposts

Can anyone confirm this fella as Anet employee b/c just reading through his post history is pretty lulz

Hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I watch Starcraft 2 NASL tournaments but I only play SC2 on occasion.

I don’t understand statements like “pvp is dead” or “this game is dead”. As long as the servers are running this game is alive.

Honestly why is anyone playing this game if they think it is utter crap?

OMG u looked kewl until u realized SC2 has a huge following while sPvP does not.

Thank you for playing PvF with Jinks

Samhayn.2385:

See this is just another gvg thread labeled as something else, @op if they have the tech for wvw and the tech for custom arenas then its not to hard to think that tdm maps for guilds would be that hard to do. If that will happen is up to anet. Also everyone who plays gvg assumes it has a huge following in this game, I literally never here anything about gvg besides they same people on these forums saying everyone loves and watches it. I tried watching it, hammer warriors and blast combos hide any nuances of the game behind a wall of particle effects. As for the stat buff from orb meh what ever, it has as much of a chance to kill my unsupported meta (5 man roaming) as it does yours (gvg) its a bonus but so is the passive health from PPT and buffs from wvw rank, or the wild swings you get in stats from builds, gear, foods and on kill sigils, you just deal with it and be the better player.

the only thing I really agree with is that wvw is to reliant on siege and taking keeps then it is on defeating your enemy in battle, that’s why I like the addition of the point for spiking from the orb buff.

This isn’t about gvg but about letting us play how we want. It’s about supporting WvW w/ the proper amount of resources.

Honestly its about allowing your 5man roaming game to flourish in WvW.

ps. what server u play on?

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Oozo.7856:

Player Character.9467:

Oozo.7856:

It’s directed more at the game mechanics that rewards stacking up but doesn’t punish it. It’s another example of how Anet fails to understand risk vs. reward. Anything with a huge upside should potentially have a huge downside, and it should be up to the enemy player to recognize and exploit that.

In Anet’s game design there is a huge risk in stacking… have you seen what happens to a pug zerg running into a tower with a few superior AC’s? It’s there, they designed it, you can’t really complain that there isn’t a counter to stacking when 10 can defend a structure against 50 if they don’t stand on the walls staring at people. What most people are looking to do is open field fight but Anet has already made it clear that isn’t really their intention with the game type (probably because it makes the servers crap their pants) so yeah, wvw isn’t designed around what we want, doesn’t mean it isn’t designed.

I’d think that some huge zergling fight over a keep puts far more strain on the servers than a 15v15 at the ruins.

Wrong again.

About the same when you count all spectators but anet dont wanna hear that

^^

Valik Shin.9027:

U may be right. But if so anet has a very messed up and clouded view

The point of my thread.

FirstBlood.7359:

Jinks.2057:

Nope your ignorance is coming out here.

Jinks.2057:

Here’s where your ignorance shines through.

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Jinks.2057:

ignorance

Have you noticed that you accuse everyone that does not agree with you of their ignorance? That’s the spirit of a true debate and a sign for respect for everyone that does not share your narrow view of the world.

Jinks.2057:

WvW has tons of competition. Infact the core game is a week long competition. As for your statement on ZvZ being decided on numbers…..not totally. What happens when 20 skilled players come face tank that 80 man blob?

Skilllags happens. No matter how good and skillful as player, you are kitten ed to press 1. “Week long competition”? Would you call the night raiding, PvDooring and Blobbing at the prime time competition?!

I would challenge the others points that you have made, but considering your attitude towards discussion …. a waste of time.

Your failing attempt at cherry picking my posts is laughable.

The fact that you refuse to see that WvW is a week long competition is rather amusing. Do 3 servers compete for points in WvW? Is there a winner and loser? It’s a fact that WvW is a competition….can’t refute that.

I’m not sitting here condoning PvD, Siege Creep, Blobs of Skill Lag, or any of the negative issues you have brought up.

I am simply here stating even though GW2 WvW is fraught w/ all those horrible issues its VASTLY more popular than any sPvP/tPvP venue. So logically as a company you would allocate man hours and resources to the bigger portion of your player base.

As a company you would listen to what that said larger portion of players wish/want in the product they paid/pay for.

Now as for my attitude being poor in terms of discussion….well if completely smashing any falsehoods, trolls, ignorant posts, and refusing to drink the koolaid……yes guilty as charged.

G’day

Samhayn.2385:

See the problem with the op is you talk in absolutes like everyone agrees with you. I for one do both wvw and spvp, I prefer smaller open field battles in wvw and well I would like to see anet stop encouraging the zerg I understand that its not everyone’s opinion and some people like giant fights. I also think the new orb buff is a good idea wvw is going to be imbalanced and if the new points did not give a buff no one would fight for them, or worse it would give karma and wxp and just become another stop on the karma train.

You are almost there. I roam all the time in WvW and I also play w/ my guild to kill blobs. The orb buff is only going to create an imbalance for the haves (aka zerg servers) to have an advantage against the have nots (outmanned servers). You like small scale action….yet these buffs will literally destroy your gametype vs larger servers

as for spvp, the only thing holding back is the lack of diversity in the objectives. This is something people talked about in beta and I think its something that is going to change.

There will be diversity. We all so the patch notes that got leaked….cept the new game types will only be in custom and not count. tPvP and competitive play will utilize Conquest mode

as for gvg, not really my thing but if people really want it the tech is there for custom arenas so I don’t know why they can’t just make a custom tdm arena where the amount of people can be set from 10v10 to 50v50 and guilds could go have at it when they want.

Nope your ignorance is coming out here. Anet can’t allow 20v20 custom deathmatch arenas b/c they don’t have the hardware in place nor want to spend the money to get it in place. Also the build diversity in WvW trumps sPvP by leaps and bounds…..The GvG community would LOVE them to implement an area for them to do this, but Anet refuses. They decided to do it in WvW where it is possible. You should try GvG btw……..you’d prolly get hooked easily.

Dio.2394:

Jinks.2057:

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

The 12th ranked team should be losing PPT to the 7th ranked team and the 9th ranked team.

Oh wait, not losing to the 9th ranked team. That doesn’t make sense. Oh, it’s EBay. Ah it makes sense now.

:shakes head:

When you can out PvF the Mags then I’ll let ya attempt to PvF me again

saiyr.3071:

GuardianOMS.8067:

Random BP: I’m trying to win for my server.

I commend anyone for not giving up. But if you have fun trying to win in a horrible unbalanced game like this, I’m going to worry about you at times.

Carry on, you crazy soldiers. With spirit like that, you’ll win the league for sure!

Only with a winning attitude can BP defeat JQ’s SEA zerg + Agg

FirstBlood.7359:

Jinks.2057:

Please focus on our WvW Anet. Listen to the players

In WvW build diversity exists, because WvW offers no competition. In zerg against zerg even the worst builds can be carried by outnumbering your opponents. Fighting doors gives no feedback how bad your build really is.

WvW has tons of competition. Infact the core game is a week long competition. As for your statement on ZvZ being decided on numbers…..not totally. What happens when 20 skilled players come face tank that 80 man blob?

Condition damage in WvW is even worse than in sPvP. The +40% condition duration from bufffood is insane. How would you have to adjust your gear and traits to gain such a bonus?! Given the broken bufffood, you can only counter it with – cond duration bufffood. The – cond duration bufffood is expensive and only useful against condition classes.

Here’s where your ignorance shines through. You don’t HAVE to run -condi food in WvW. This is where utilizing the combo field mechanics comes into play. Read up on it and be enlightened.

Extreme condition and power damage – a problem exacerbated by ascended weapons – makes WvW unfit for competitive play.

Also WvW has extreme survivability and the ability to create hybrid builds. sPvP fails and needs to have 75% of it’s dev resources re-allocated to WvW.

lordkrall.7241:

The vast majority of people does not post on the forums.
And even if it were far from everyone is actually against it.

I’ll play this game:

Since the majority of ppl do not post on forums in support of these changes they must be against it.

Can work both ways mate, but in the end the majority of posters here ARE against these changes.

Albert Of Tyria.2149:

An off-topic question: How you are able to see enemies armors with their own colours, like armor of players of your server? I have always seen enemies ’armors all red/blue/green (server colour). Thanks!

In options under graphics

lordkrall.7241:

The Holy Eldar.3624:

Oh, we’re holding an event now to stop hate against GvGers?

These mods are amazing!

No, we are however discussing an in-game event created by players. Thus this is a rather logical forum for it.

No this was discussing the attitude towards WvW players who take time to play the game in their own way.

This has nothing to do w/ an individual scheduled player event, and quite frankly is a form of censorship that Anet is currently employing.

Currently there are ppl that have been back logging every single statement/thread/conversation/Modd’n/Banning that has been going on by anet. This will prolly be given over to a game news site in retaliation of Anet’s actions.

ps. what is you favorite flavor of koolaid??? I like blueberry myself.

I don’t sPvP because it just flat out sucks

Welp it seems all the GvG hate is stemming from Anet themselves.

It’ll be their fault when the game starts failing.

FirstBlood.7359:

Seigfried.5938:

I don’t spvp because of the imbalance. if we were allowed more variety of builds, like we can in wvw, i would def do it.

In sPvP I really miss perplexity engineers, burst builds with 120% critical damage and all the other broken builds of WvW.

Perplexity runes continuing on like they currently are just supports my statement of how Anet views WvW.

That being said. I would rather face 120% Crit damage vs the crappy AoE Condi Burst/Bunker Meta that currently is sPvP. Least in WvW you have ways to deal with that kittenty meta……not in sPvP

Please focus on our WvW Anet. Listen to the players

Aeros.2046:

Jinks.2057:

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it

No one is telling you not to play the game the way you want.

For god’s sake please sit on ACs all day if that’s what you desire.

Just don’t be shocked when ppl call you out on it and/or laugh at you. Man up about it y’know?

Anyone who knows my commanding style knows that I rarely hide on walls. I do however love to build an AC ontop of said wall and then jump down to kill the skill group that seems to think they can wipe my forces with said AC up on the wall raining death on them. I think I did this to you a couple weeks ago Jinks :P

Lying to increase your forum badarsery when everyone knows you are lying is a /fail in PvF

Man up and except that you sit on ACs all day. Man up when you zerg gets caught in the open you get wiped. Man up that you need 3 or 4 times the numbers to kill your opponents.

Just like we man up and say you win PPT……wait your losing PPT this match

Ah it makes sense now.

Aeros.2046:

You play the game you have, not the game you wish you had. If you don’t like it, don’t play it

No one is telling you not to play the game the way you want.

For god’s sake please sit on ACs all day if that’s what you desire.

Just don’t be shocked when ppl call you out on it and/or laugh at you. Man up about it y’know?

Genev.2450:

Because it’s against the forum rules to call out ANet or a dev if im not mistaken, tbh, I’m surprised they didn’t flat out delete this post, show how this forum is moderated I guess :p

Calling out is not this

Challenging them is what this is

saiyr.3071:

Aeros.2046:

kartek.6428:

Aeros.2046:

Sil.4560:

Played a little tonight. Remembered why I hadn’t all week – there is nothing impressive out there. Some group from BP – Borlis Savers guild – actually sat on a wall for ten solid minutes and refused a duel. Other players are downright disappointing.

We don’t teach our people to duel. In fact, exactly the opposite, I tell them to not chase random people at all in WvW. That is not to say we don’t have members that don’t look for these kinds of fights, but as an organized group we prioritize taking and holding towers over random fighting.

how much do you love siege on a scale of 1-10

11. Because it works. If you hate taking arrow carts to the face, then WvW is not for you. I am absolutely unashamed at utilizing whatever the game gives me to win. If you want to be l33t and not use certain game mechanics, by all means. Different strokes and all that.

devon carver’s poster child

BS guild of the server BP.

Are you surprised?

Hrmm looks like the new tactic of ignoring the majority has taken hold of the naysayers in this thread.

I want my WvW Anet not sPvP!!

The meta on GvG has shifted oozo. You will always have some form of stacking due the combo field mechanics but if you watch how Agg/Ark have lost the fights you will see it.

As for stacking up to kill zergs….that won’t be changing. Hammer trains will also stay prevalent due to them including tankier classes. Remember your going balls deep against 4-1 odds

Lord Kuru.3685:

It’s pretty clear that these new capture and hold point in the BL’s are a desperate attempt by Anet to attract WvW players to sPvP. They think that we will enjoy it so much that we will all become sPvP’ers. And then: esport.

Yes because sPvP in WvW will bring ppl to sPvP……..

Deli.1302:

Anyone notice how it’s the same 2-3 people that are against the majority and posting in all threads like this?

Thus why I let you all take over since it just proves my point.

Vena.8436:

Oh ho, this is getting easier and easier.
1.) People like to use siege in the open field, just because you disagree with it doesn’t invalidate it or mean that no one likes it.

No ppl use siege in open field b/c the game has been hard coded for it

2.) There was a thread that, I’m pretty sure, wasn’t 100% No on buffs. Even in that flawed sampling, there are clearly people who do want them. No lies there. (More to the point, its not “buffs” that people are specifically against. Its statistical buffs, many people would probably not even give a kitten if the buffs allowed you to nuke every structure on every map so long as their behind the windmill fun wasn’t ruined.)

This isn’t about behind the windmill fun. Infact you’ve been trying to reference this since the beginning. No this post is about Open fields, roaming, 1v1, 1vX, etc.

3.) Comically, you could just as soon say the same of yourself with regards to the PvE population. Meanwhile your statement has nothing to do with what I or you said: “Let people play the game we want to play!” because at this point you’re just saying: “Let people play the game we want to play, so long as its my version of WvW and not sPvP!” I don’t think you can marry the former and latter statements.

PvE will always trump b/c that’s the way it is in EVERY MMO….but then you can make a case for the fact you need to PvE to WvW. sPvP you can do right outta the gate….yet its a dead game mode. It’s all about letting us play the way we want, and your stance is the reason we are in this predicament we currently are

And the larger majority plays PvE. Time to close up shop on WvW and sPvP me thinks!

The majority has, after-all, spoken.

See this is where you fail even harder. PvE wins over all game modes so Anet is catering to the majority already. This is about playing WvW how players want, and telling the devs to wake up. WvW is the majority.

Whatever else you are posting or reading into you should prolly stop b/c all you are doing is making yourself look really bad.

Stormleaf.1769:

Jinks.2057:

Vena.8436:

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Interesting view you have.

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

I just want to fail arguing w/ you and report you to Mods. There, your argument is confirmed.

dreztina.4820:

Jinks.2057:

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

I don’t remember that.

And I remember you winning about two fights and reading far too much into it.

I’m depressed you took that bait w/ no effort on my part

I miss u

Vena.8436:

Jinks.2057:

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point.

But its never that clear cut, now is it? Certainly isn’t for you because you don’t want to let anyone play the game in the way they want to unless its the way you want them to play the game.

Here, let me quote you:
“We don’t want siegewars.” ~ Some people do.
“We don’t want orb bonuses.” ~ Some people do.
“Please give us the dev time and let sPvP get life support dev focus for once…” ~ Some people like sPvP and would rather you not abuse it anymore than it already has been.

Ho boy. Would you look at that? Its not about we, its about me.

Interesting view you have.

1. Siege Wars refers to Open field Siege creep.
2. No one has stated they want the bonuses..stop lying
3. sPvP is dead. They are not the majority. WvW far outnumbers sPvP and infact i’m willing to bet that 1 week of WvW players far outnumbers months of sPvP players. You give dev time to what the majority of your players play not cling to some dead game mode literally the tiniest fraction of your player base plays.

The majority has spoken and you really need to realize it.

Good Luck in all your endeavors Agg!!!! It was great watching you fight Ebay’s top guild GF!!!! Some day my guild JINK will get guud like GF…..well when i get 14-19 more members

I am glad you didn’t xfer to do an EU tour though…….they’d be laughing at the NA GvG teams.

G’luck up in T1!!!!

dreztina.4820:

Sil.4560:

I’m afraid that doesn’t mean anything to me aside from the fact that the name is in his signature.

It means about the only time I lose is when there is a massive class imbalance.

I don’t remember that.

Vena.8436:

“I play this game for WvW not sPvP!” -> “But let me play balanced PvP team deathmatch in WvW!” -> “We don’t want siegewars!”

Welp, we’ve just turned WvW into sPvP.

Nope it’s about them letting us, the players, decide how we WANT to play the game.

That’s the point

SpehssMehreen.5897:

Perception =/= Reality, go to the pvp forums and post this topic, Pvp is definetly not the focus, might have the “publicity” but not the focus, its been stated many times already, all game modes especially wvw are the focus.

and fyi, Pvp is not a “dead” game mode

No WvW is not the focus.

We don’t want orb bonuses

We don’t want siegewars

PvP is dead. When PAX only gets that many subscribers for a major tourney and the comments are from ppl who don’t play…its dead. When I step into the mists and am the ONLY person there b/c I’m waiting on a WvW queue….its dead.

If WvW was the focus we’d have Devs listening to us…….they are ignoring what WvW players are telling them and continuing to focus on a dead (yes you can’t prove otherwise) gametype.

thank you

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/SpehssMehreen-5897/showposts

Can anyone confirm this fella as Anet employee b/c just reading through his post history is pretty lulz