Guild Wars 2

And Berk,

We don’t want to only fight Zergs. You and all other Zergers make this mistake of assuming the current meta is only a “bit” off. Literally 95% of the time the ONLY thing to fight regardless if your solo, duo, organized 5 man, even 10 man….. The option to fight is 20+-60 mans. The argument is being made by many competitive players across the game in general is to encourage smaller group play AS WELL. So telling me how best to “deter a Zerg” isn’t of interest as open field we take 20-25 couple times a week. I’d rather take my 4 guys against ridiculously coordinated other 5 mans roaming looking to kick the kitten out of us. Anet needs to bring skilled players back to open world pvp or it is undoubtedly inevitable the next game that comes out will plummet wvw’s population. Tell us we are wrong all you want to, when you have no one to Zerg anymore… Let me know how fun those “objectives” are to take and how “epic” you feel.

Shade, I’m sure you don’t know my guild.. And this isn’t to measure unknow what’s…. Because there are other guilds that can do and do do it, but the guys talking to you, regularly (for us it’s probably 2-3 times a week) will wipe 15-25 players with 5 guys. We aren’t crying because we can’t win pal.

Oozo.7856:

Oldschool PvPers don’t consider objective-based PvP as real PvP. The closest thing to real PvP to them is an open field fight in WvW.

By oldschool PvPers, I’m talking about people who played DAoC or perhaps even UO (which I did not play) or Meridian 59 (which I did play). In M59 there were no PvE servers. It was full PvP outside of the cities and when you died all of your inventory, armor, and weapons could be looted.

It had guild halls which could be taken by enemy guilds. This was usually done by infiltration and betrayal. And if it was taken all of the stuff you had stored there was theirs.

There was a player justice system. People who killed innocents turned red and could be killed with no consequences. People who killed innocents would also be haunted by revenants that would attack them randomly. Revenants were difficult to kill.

The innocents on the server could elect a “governer” (which was a player) and that player had the power to pardon people who turned red. The game had PK (player killer) and antiPK guilds. It had gulds that declared war on each other, infiltrated each other, and took guild halls. It had a political system. And that was decades ago.

Compare that to the direction that MMOs have gone in today’s market. And ask yourself why that is. :P

Because 8 year olds won’t beg their parents for their MasterCard without seeing in the games advertisement “ease of use”.

Shademehr.1397:

Jscull.2514:

Our main point is there isn’t ANY competitive hardcore players roaming looking for other competitive roaming players (the thing you said you couldn’t wrap your brain around or fathom) wanting to engage in whooping some kitten in similar skill level fights. This isn’t happening because most of the actual skilled players left gw2 because they came to realize this is a “starter mmo” for people who are money spending casuals.

I’ll skip over the mischaracterizations, and Patton-quasi-insults, and get straight to the stuff I’ve quoted.

If a game does not provide you, or similarly minded individuals, with the satisfaction that you crave, why do you still play the game? It’s my belief that Anet strongly views their sPvP environment as their competitive (e-Sport if you will) “small group” fighting environment and WvW as the “army vs army” fighting environment.

So serious question here: Do you have any hope that Anet will start making the sweeping changes to accomodate your preferred playstyle? From your previous posts, it doesn’t seem like you do and I’m left to wonder, why not move onto a game that gives you the challenge you desire?

This is the first mmo I have truly played longer than 6 months since I ran in an 8 man guild (a guild with literally only 8 guys) that ran every night in Daoc 7 YEARS AGO. Why did I come here? Advertisement of tri-faction open world “since dark age of Camelot” marketing. Along with the 20% of hardcore gamers in the mmo community that have been missing from MMO populations for the past 5-8 years since Daoc / UO/ couple others died. Literally had this conversation with our support guard three days ago, “joe let’s realize that we’re basically waiting for Camelot unchained and just lose all expectations of gw2 and the starter mmoer forum idiots”. That sentence says it all. We play because its the only tri faction open world system out there, and were waiting for Camelot unchained.

Edit: if Anet cared about improving player vs player based skill design of the game, they wouldn’t be adding door mastery and repair mastery, thus loss of hope.

SPCA is serious competition, tM has 3-4 real solid guys, the rest of those guilds are pro running away builds, doesn’t make you good at winning fights, just running.

I made a thread in discussion trying to gather all the known nam that consistently run 5-6 and no more. And that win.

You may b from t1… News flash, in any real pvp scenario running 20 people is still a Zerg.

Svarty.8019:

I propose all guilds with the balls to defy this nonsense charge in and crush these “honourable” scum.

I like ur style, shouldn’t be set up fights. That’s a carebear way to pvp. Should be roaming guilds vs guild…. Sack up on real battlefields not set up ones.

GvG should just happen. Teams should stop setting up fights and start roaming every night purely looking for fights with the same guilds they’d be setting up fights with. Puts a whole lot more strategy into the game. Ppt, leave that for the zerglets. 5 mans have been talking about all your “GvG” (some fancy name there) for the past year and just now it’s taking hold with you folks. START ROAMING LOOKING FOR FIGHTS, not roaming looking for camps and towers to take. Fighting coordinated small mans is 1000x more skillful than taking npcs down or using siege………….

So far I have PAXA, SPCA, team, SFH, RIOT, Invi, TFI, vT, laud, CORP…… That’s 10 guilds that always run under at least 5-6…. Anyone know of others?

@Shademehr-

What I DON’T believe to be the intent of WvW with regards to small teams is simple:
1. Team vs. Team fighting, whether pre-arranged or roaming around with no other intent than to find other similarly-minded small teams looking for the same types of fights. This contributes nothing to the PPT.
Shademehr.1397
This next question is really aimed at everyone:
What, if anything, does ANET really need to do to cater to “SMALL MAN” warfare in a WORLD vs. WORLD setting beyond what is already available?

The fact that you wrote that wall text and then put this ^ in clearly tells anyone who is from the hardcore 20% of gamers that you have NEVER experienced and have no clue what competitive gaming looks like. You said small man players can find enjoyment in taking camps and towers…. Bro if I wanted to take objectives, I would have stuck around WAR and would still be playing that garbage game. Taking objectives can be done by 8 year olds…..you are the guy who can’t possibly fathom how our side of this story literally likes cancer more than ppt. You can’t fathom that because all you know is “epic battles” and playing like general Patton come Friday nights. OBJECTIVE BASED PVP IS THE WORST KIND. Mine as well play call of duty, rift, warhammer online, Star Wars…. All horrible outcomes for skilled base pvp.

Our main point is there isn’t ANY competitive hardcore players roaming looking for other competitive roaming players (the thing you said you couldn’t wrap your brain around or fathom) wanting to engage in whooping some kitten in similar skill level fights. This isn’t happening because most of the actual skilled players left gw2 because they came to realize this is a “starter mmo” for people who are money spending casuals.

Xom.9264:

MethaneGas.8357:

Kittens ;D

Xom.9264:

Ozoo go conditions before they nerf fire + terror, its worth it. Power will be untouched come nerfs so your spec will still be there.

Never talked to Oozo, but some of us like to keep our old builds despite the new “OP” stuff going around
- props -

Well your not oozo, but if you need to know I was running 30/30/10/0/0 conditions before the patch it had benefits without burning, now its stronger and its worth a try.
Im a power necro at heart but at somepoint if you want to play high level with a team you need to maximize what the class is capable of / fill a role only your class can.

Selfish builds vs builds that add to the group/fill a role others cant. This is not a reference to Oozo at all, but others.

There are many roaming guilds on DR that would be better, if they did not have players running selfish builds, run away builds or overly bunker builds. If I said it once I said it a million times, you have to risk dying to win vs good groups far to many seem to think getting away while your group a fight they should of won is a win.

Alot of these fights are so close 1 person could of turned it with correct utilities and small trait changes but filled their bar and traits with run away skills or self defense skills.

/shrug

Xom, do you participate in PAXA vent everyday dude? You’re hitting the hammer on the nail everytime. 100% agreed.

Yea I mean I know of RIOT, SPCA for the most part, TFI from ET, vT from DH… Help me out here like I said its a struggle to name real 5 mans.

Sinester.3572:

all i have to say is nsp guys if this keep up are gone of first place u guys clear have no ppl at all only at few hours of the day u had a strong weekend but now ur keep in eb just gets farmed over and over

You must be smoking some crack rock b/c last night there was NSP literally everywhere. Nothing under 15 and up to 40 on every map we went to.

I agree attic. Anet could fix a lot of these issues / increase competitiveness by a couple easy fixes. Raise Aoe cap to 10 or 15, scale wxp/xp so the smaller the group used to kill a player / take a tower the more xp given (running in Zergs basically weeding out any xp given because its just too easy to get) out of combat rezzing of the dead, and the big one IMO other than Aoe cap GROUP BUFFS ONLY. People grouped get the buffs/condi removal… non grouped members get notta. This stuff was used in games 10 years ago. It really isn’t rocket science.

Doing this out of curiosity. I know a good portion have left but help name guilds that you see legit without a doubt run consistently 5 guys and not more than that. Guilds you see often in wvw open field fighting. 5 mans, interested in steamrolling groups they absolutely shouldn’t due to size differential. I’m curious because I’ve played for a year now almost all the servers under tier 6 and can count them on both hands and almost just one hand. Help me out.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Jscull.2514:

I have fought every tier below 5 for a year now and can count the groups that give us a solid fight with both hands.

Then either:
A) You don’t WvW very much and the majority of the time is spent forum warring.
B) You are a mutant with way too many fingers of questionable purpose.
C) You have a perception filter preventing you from acknowledging the plethora of small man groups for fear of losing comparative kitten size.
D) You truly are the best of the best, might as well go home and cry to the world about how superior you are, because obviously they care more than we do.

No other options, the only possible conclusions here.

You didn’t make the option E) Anet made an ez mode game for people who haven’t really ever played mmos before, marketed it to the competitive 20-30% hardcore mmoers as the newest tri-faction open world platform since forever ago, and upgrade and fix the current issues with as much urgency as mythic did with Warhammer. FULL ON encouragement of Zerging with Aoe cap being 5 (unheard of) and downed state. Capturing objectives is more valuable than fighting actual players and either living or dying. And purchaseable “commander blue Doritos” w/ in game gold a zero reflection of skill or experience. And lastly a game filled with people afraid of fighting because the thought of ridicule eats them alive so instead they guarantee wins by running with AS MANY people as they possibly can. Gross.

Blaze I’m not criticizing you personally. Personally about anyone specifically I couldnt care less. I’m just saying its brutal that we have less than 5 guilds in these couple tiers that want to fight us to test their merit, use their competitive nature to win, and not rely on guarantees like fighting next to a keep door, or kiting to a Zerg or sitting on arrow carts or grabbing more guys when they lose. You mistake what we say for “you’re Wrong we’re right”…. Not the case. Zerg all you want to. What we are saying is we’d like more of a competitive atmosphere, more teams wanting to beat the best small man teams out there fair and square relying on their own skill.

If that existed and when we left spawn camp didn’t ONLY see 37 NSPers and 28 IOJers
And 34 HoDers all fighting over briar for an hour because the rest of the map isn’t fun to be on when literally 100% of that maps population is at the dumb briar fight…. I wouldn’t complain. But that isn’t the case. And yes 30 people is a Zerg. When the games group size is 5, even if it was 8, really anything over doubling a group is a Zerg. B R U T A L.

Shademehr.1397:

As WvW stands now, there is something to do for everyone’s play style. There are opportunities to play 1vs1, 5vs5, 10vsXXX, use the siege, defend the castle, run the dolyak, grab that supply camp, or whatever you consider “fun”.

You elitists that insist WvW is completely going downhill because it doesn’t support YOUR view (and ONLY your view) of “fun” need to pull your head outta your hineys and realize the world (or a game) don’t revolve around your gaming preferences.

I enjoy all the above mentioned aspects of WvW, which is why I’m there almost every day, as time permits. You whiners and haters? Hit the road. I surely won’t miss you.

Wrong buddy, not something to do for everyone. There aren’t highly skilled groups running around. I have fought every tier below 5 for a year now and can count the groups that give us a solid fight with both hands. That’s pathetic considering there are 20-60 mans running around. So what you said is false. 90-95% of the population does the same thing. And calling us elitests is just pointing out what we are and what we’ve earned. We’re here to compete, not kitten around and play grab kitten with buddies somewhere in the Internet world . Like I said earlier… Most of the population is here for social gathering, reason I’m complaining is because I’ve played other games with WAY less potential with WAY MORE competitive people/teams. Just doesn’t exist here nor does Anet want that. They like majority money spending casuals.

Tiglie.5834:

Zerg ball stacking and spamming 1111111111111111111111111 is what makes up 95% of this game’s playerbase. I have literally no idea how it’s fun to people, but then again, I also have the luxury of playing with an amazing group of people that has been static since Daoc. We know what we can do.

While it’s laughable hearing people defending zerging as tactical realm choke point strategical, blah blah blah, it’s all they know. As soon as they break off solo / smaller groups they get killed and go back to rolling in the 1 spam ball. It will never change, it makes up a majority of a game’s playerbase until it gets much much much matured, Daoc was a kittenzerg for it’s first 2 years too.

I guess what i am rambling about is it’s not the players problem, they will not change. It’s arena’s problem for making the mechanics like aoe cap, downed state, and it will not change. They are actually so dumb that they think the solution to zerging is buffing siege damage. I mean kitten …….really…….do they even know why we kitten, do they even play their game, do they want this to be online virtual arrow cart simulator 2013?

Thank the mmo heavens LARP kinda guys exist. Thought PAXA was the ONLY guild left that wants small man vs small man open pvp. Anet wants customers to stick around . Should have been advertised as starter mmo to keep the skillful 20-30% old schoolers from falsely buying the game to open world pvp. Do the right thing Anet and call it “Warhammer 2 for people wanting to test mmo waters”. I agree it’s not brand new people’s fault they Zerg, I zerged for about a year in Daoc then graduated. My point is always that a player should graduate from Zerg/seige school after half a year to a year of doing the same easy thing. Gw2 doesn’t promote that. It’s only harder to win as you decrease reliance on others and seige in open field combat, so as Tiglie said they go back to spamming 1. Lame. Bring on unchained. Mark Jacobs the hardcore savier!

BlazeQ.1095:

Jscull.2514:

It’s a shame that out of the two servers…. SPCA is literally the only guild running under 10. How boring this matchup is. AR used to be horrible with ALS running 40 mans…. And we were on NSP. Switch to HoD, NSP is the same as AR was. We fought AR and DH last week, probably the best matchup we have faced in 4-5 months as far as relativley fair fights. Groups running 10 or less or even 15 or less. This matchup just blows straight up. And we’re still getting a a ton of kills, just the mindset of your two servers NSP and Ioj or whatever your name is is brutal. You should all xfer to tier 1 and play Zerg wars / seige wars 2 there and leave people who like to use character abilities a bit more than 4 keys total a fight down here.

NOOB typically runs between 3-10 when we are out. I often find pugs following me though when I am around. Only time we have more than 10 NOOB is on reset and even then, not always. Not our fault other guilds will have members that follow a commander or well known person on the server around.

You may run 3-10, as soon as you decide to wear a commander blue Dorito, all bets are off. Mine as well change your tag to [PvP] from sf or [ALS]. My point is our guild doesn’t want to rely on anyone else to win fights.. Occasionally KoM comes flyin in to save our butts but rarely do we AJ each others fights. The mentality of not caring how much Teal is around you is why this game is zergwars2. We don’t come from that background.

yanoch.7051:

You should have seen BP and Stormbluff Isle… Those have zergs… We were outmanned on all map that was scary. SBI during the week end was something to behold. Lags on 2/3 map on primetime, EB was almost unplayable, our BL sometime was like playing EB on a crowded night. I don’t even want to see upper tier after that.

HoD had quite a zerg yesterday in our Briar. I might even say you guys had as much as us in our BL.

I’m not speaking for HoD. We basically only communicate with KoM and some GT. I’m speaking just from our guilds perspective… It’s brutal this week.

Edit: I’m pretty sure as a driver I avoid the color teal (our own zerg/pug) more than anyone in gw2. So while HoD may have its Zergs which I get in trouble for making fun of time to time, we avoid them as much as possible so we don’t rely on help to win.

It’s a shame that out of the two servers…. SPCA is literally the only guild running under 10. How boring this matchup is. AR used to be horrible with ALS running 40 mans…. And we were on NSP. Switch to HoD, NSP is the same as AR was. We fought AR and DH last week, probably the best matchup we have faced in 4-5 months as far as relativley fair fights. Groups running 10 or less or even 15 or less. This matchup just blows straight up. And we’re still getting a a ton of kills, just the mindset of your two servers NSP and Ioj or whatever your name is is brutal. You should all xfer to tier 1 and play Zerg wars / seige wars 2 there and leave people who like to use character abilities a bit more than 4 keys total a fight down here.

2 things:

1. King Amadaeus- dude you have come a LONG way from where you were when we did forum / wvw battle. Cheers to you sir, for you have graduated from Zerg school. Unfortunately for you (we got you beat on time) you are now learning just how small the non-zerg the skill level community is in gw2. It is simply easier to run a bunker build /glass build (balance build? Whats that?) in a Zerg and follow others and sit on seige ect ect ect…..than to sack uP and graduate Zerg school to actually rely on less people to kill what you come across and survive. Kill to death ratio? What’s that?

2. Berk- you are 1 of 95-99% of this game that doesn’t want to do anything else but use wvw as your “epic battlefield”. Dude it’s pvp… Player vs player… There are towers and keeps here And that is all you see. Forget the red players running around, theyre just annoying right? Forget that running around with 20+ people makes this game ez mode because of dumb mechanics like 5 person Aoe cap and downed state (worst idea ever in mmo history btw). Just play general Patton every night and feel epic like youre living lord of the rings? 95-99% of this game hates competition. Hates when enemies kill/troll them in a jumping puzzle so they waste RL time and are “appalled” at the actions. Please graduate from lalaville and jump into wanting to use your own skill to kill other people. Not Anets seige skill. Like king AMA said, take out siege – I bet 40% or more would quit the game.

Even the best portal thieves that deal 5-10 k instantly burst are 100% a liability for whoever else is relying on them when fighting first class players…. All you have to do is grp a warrior/mes/guardian spin / shatter and thief can’t even come close to hangin in. Sorry, I drive a 5 man daily with a set group comp. when a thief is within the 5 we basically discount our grps capability because they can’t assist on our main target in the middle of Aoe.

Guardian might be the easiest class to play and be useful at the same time. Tons of utility but mostly condi removal, cc, and dps.

Nirvana is right. To roam you need a group of synergized builds/classes/players. Until you have other people to run with, you can make anything you want.

Side note, ask yourself OP how good of a player with personal skill are you? Can you win 1v1s without running bogus specs like portal thieves or bunker guardians/mesmers…?
The class needs to fit the player’s personal skill otherwise you mine as well Zerg.

Shademehr.1397:

Jscull.2514:

This is the reason wvw is plummeting south. People want decency out of enemies more than skillful fights. A shame. Lot of potential in the game as well.

Which part of that mesmer’s actions were “skillful”?

IF WvW were “plummeting south” as you say, I’d wager it’s because of behavior like this mesmer’s.

A shame.

Nah dude this game is dying because people want to “feel epic” by sitting on seige which actually takes zero skill (press 2-3 buttons repeat for hours)…and people want to be buddies with their enemies…. Lol if you’re on another server you’re gonna die to us. Just about the entire population of gw2 wvw is here for the social aspect and not the competition. Thus that guy from the oringinal post literally baffled someone could kitten with him in a pvp zone lol.

Sarsbear.3469:

Npac.3476:

Shout out to SPCA, Tm, And SPLT for last night.

Been a long time since anyone has so readily handed us our butts…thank you for reminding us that there is still room for improvement. Always a pleasure and a challenge fighting you guys…see you out there!

When I was on running with SPLT I don’t think we had any fair fights, just us eeking out a sloppy win with double your numbers. It’s been ages since I’ve seen an enemy small man so organized though. I miss you guys.

All good man. Thought that was you. Called it out during a fight. It’s what we’ve come to accept when fighting NSP.

Euryon.9248:

Dear Mezmereyes (Sorrow’s Furnace, Guild GBD or very similar):

Yesterday in the EB JP, you met up with our party and joined us, promising our leader non-aggression in return for showing you how to get through part of the puzzle. She was out ahead of the rest of us at the time, and after she got you where you wanted to be, you promptly pushed her off the perch.

You then spent the next 45 minutes camped out in a safe place on high, using Focus #4 to knock off anyone who got within range of you.

We finally got enough ET people to flood the area such that you couldn’t get us all off, we got through and promptly killed you.

Note that no one died from those falls, so you weren’t getting any loot bags. The only possible benefit to you would have been some perverse pleasure at kitten ing people off for 45 minutes. This makes you a vile human being in my eyes, the lowest of the low, despicable beyond belief. Behind every toon you continued to grief for no reason whatsoever is a real person at a real computer wasting 45 minutes of his real life because you somehow get your jollies off other people’s misery.

You, sir, owe every person you griefed 45 minutes of their lives back.

I do not hold this against SF. In fact, we ended up running with a group from LORD who were perfectly nice and respectful. I’m not even holding it against your entire guild. However, know that any mesmer I see from GBD (or similar) will become target #1 immediately for me and everyone you griefed.

Griefing for loot bags is one thing. Griefing from a safe spot for no tangible reason is a different thing entirely. And partying with someone to get their help getting to the safe spot, and then turning around and griefing them is beyond the pale. I have never seen such despicable behavior before in GW2, and I hope never to see it again.

This is the reason wvw is plummeting south. People want decency out of enemies more than skillful fights. A shame. Lot of potential in the game as well.

How many legitimate 5 man guilds are even playing this game? My guild would be interested in taking on the best 5 mans. Fear is there aren’t any left?

Parthis.2091:

Grackleflint.4956:

Roaming videos have been done to death. Roaming doesn’t help your world accomplish anything.

Can anyone link a video showing actual WvWvW tactics—trap placement, which bases to hit and how, proper use of siege and how to protect them, etc?

I can’t wait for dueling to be implemented so roamers become a thing of the past.

You don’t need actual tactics to place a trap (pro-tip; place it where you know they’ll step on it), you don’t need actual tactics to know which bases to hit and how (pro-tip; hit the ones you don’t own, face rub the gate with 100 1-spammers and that guy who built the ram out of range), you don’t need tactics for proper use of siege.

While I appreciate that the majority of videos you see are roamers and guild fights, you need to appreciate that WvW isn’t actually that complicated.

As it stands now the meta is’ biggest blob wins.

So the fun? Destroying the blob.

I agree. Problem is running with 20 guildies (even when fighting 40-50 blobs) isn’t really that hardcore either. You are still relying on 19 other people. The less people relied upon in fights…. The faster the personal skill level increases. Not rocket science.

Should hve titled world first, ZERG to 250k…. Makes a bit of difference.

Craig,

Our tank train is out of town all week. A third is moving to a new crib. We won’t have a solid presence until the weekend. We don’t have fill ins in our guild, usually pick up a 5th [KoM]y if we’re missing someone.

Npac.3476:

I think PAXA should just gank everyone and be done with it. Hard to talk kitten when everyone is dead.

He’s alive!

For the record, TFI did not back out and they are brand new to the small man scene. Cheers for not being afraid to die in a video game TFI’ers. PAXA salutes you. We appreciate the crap out of guys like you. “Zerging is redundant and becoming boring, let’s build a team and compete with some good teams”. You guys are on the RIGHT path. Look forward to fighting you again guys.

Dude, other than KoM, a couple GT buddies, and a few others here and there TE rest of HoD doesn’t really assimilate with us. I don’t think anyone is going to hold HoD accountable for us trying to FIND ANY AND ALL fights other than 30 v 5.

Saint of Virtue.8329:

Jscull.2514:

News flash saint, we get zerged down everyday. Gentlemens agreement. Where did arena net find their customers? Good god…. This is literally a starter mmo.

True, a gentleman’s agreement requires gentlemen doesn’t it? Heaven forbid an MMO have a more mature crowd.

I don’t disagree. Mature is one thing. Competitive is another. And this is NOT at all in any shape form or size a competitive atmosphere.

News flash saint, we get zerged down everyday. Gentlemens agreement. Where did arena net find their customers? Good god…. This is literally a starter mmo.

Moobs, the Zergs don’t come destroy fight night because they DON’T LIKE FIGHTING HUMAN BEINGS. All those carebears care about is hitting on wood and sitting on siege. If this was a real pvp game, u guys would be smoked as carli pointed out. Who are you kidding dude. Lucky Titan is running with us cuz he’s literally the ONLY reason ur kitten wasn’t a flag.

And one more thing. In real pvp games, you don’t normally enjoy people that beat you and run to the forums. For some reason this starter mmo for the vast majority has people thinking this is social hour… We’re here to kill people as often as possible with the fewest amount of deaths. Not become your drinking buddy.

This is casual land carli. Anet said so.

Dude BS and KoM and PAXA would destroy a good portion of those “upper eschelon” GvG teams lol.

Geoski.1407:

So i caused drama by denying the match in a whisper, then afk’ing ontop of the windmill and coming back to being dead in the grass?

I’m pretty sure the only drama that was caused was poor PAXA kittenraging over being denied a 5v5, when everyone was there for 1v1’s or casual play.

Get over yourselves

Alright man. You stay in “duelist” land. Well go back to “8manning” (term used long before small man became the vocabulary). Hallucination, Jakare, Xomox and the rest of BS other than bulky bizzle PAXA salutes you fellas. Take it ez “ultimate dueler”.

Must have actually been Tuesday. No one was demanding. You had 9 guys… It’s
A dueling place. You know… Where it is player vs player not player vs tower guard and arrow carts? We were there to fight. You had 9GUYS……. Sack up dude.

And that’s why we have a ton of respect for the rest of your guild…. Cuz when u and bulky bizzle aren’t there… There’s no drama. Weird.

Geoski.1407:

Fightnight is for 1v1’s. 5v5’s and gvg’s can be setup at anytime during the week. Out of so many guild vs guilds i’ve set up, I have been accepted…and denied tons of matches. In all my time i’ve never seen someone act that way, let alone a GM of a such a skilled guild. I’m sorry that I lost your respect for declining you the match and can’t do anything about that, but for the future, try to be more respectful and you’ll find people more inclined to work with you. Winning matches shows that your guild has skill, disrespecting people shows that your a bunch of kittens.

Btw, trying to justify ganking us by saying, Only 1 person was dueling and the other 8 BS were dogpiled on us 8v5 and lost, even though BS has wiped us 7 times in a row on an even 5v5 roam, is quite hilarious.

Go ahead and post your fraps video, So people can see you come out on top, because they sure won’t see it happen roaming, that’s for sure.

Ask hallucination pal. We went 11 straight uninterrupted 5v5s with BS on weds. No one was kittening no one was bragging. Skarloc and I congratulated BS on phenomenal fights that night. 11 straight uninterrupted 5v5s. PAXA 7 ….. BS 4. The 12th fight another small man AJed and a 6th BS kill shot human rifle warrior added and killshotted our rifle warrior. So we didn’t count the 12th fight as an uninterrupted 5v5 clean go. You’re out of your mind if you think BS went 7 in a row clean wins lol. Ask hallucination he was in every s i n g l e fight.

Bovinity, I’m not trying to start beef with you, but our 5man that runs the same guys everyday… Has videos of killing 3-4x our number. The argument for 5 mans is there is not ANY competition because the entirety of the rest of the gw2 population is ONLY zerging. My argument is simple. Not arrogant, simple.

1. Zerg because you are new and need to just figure out mmo’in, your own class/abilities
2. Organize in said Zerg to actually become effective and produce outcomes
3. Friendlist guys you run with consistently
4. Begin to run even when there really isn’t a Zerg with said friendlist people of equal or similar skill
5. HERE’S THE BIG ONE…………….GRADUATE FROM ZERG SCHOOL
6. Begin hashing out group make ups, player makeup (personnel), class builds
7. Look for the best small man guilds and do your homework to beat them or at least put out a solid effort
8. Make the focus to beat the best PLAYERS, not towers with their npcs

The zergs argument of “go spvp” isn’t valid as my colleague Osif pointed out. Spvp is literally bunker builds and capture the flag. Nothing to do with killing enemy builds/groups. The zergs argument of “5 mans only kill solo roamers” isn’t valid as we on a daily basis along with many other good veteran small man guilds take down double to triple our size groups. It isn’t a Pepe measuring contest. Not here to be arrogant or brag…. I’m just saying that what Lecreaux said was more accurate than you gave him credit for.

I’ve got ZERO beef against any other BS members besides geoski and bulky boy. Take this perspective for a second. We show up, 4 PAXA 1 KoM in our 5 man (ankle biter) wasn’t able to make it. There’s 20 or so red people there. 2 people are dueling, 18 are grab assin. We took time out of our roaming/RL to actually attend a fight club and not just bomb it to be kittens. We legit wanted FC and ET to throw some teams at us. “guys BS is here”. We start counting, “joe there’s 9 BS here”. Ok sounds good let’s have a go.

Geoski, “please be respectful, we don’t want to fight you guys, our engineer is tired………………………………………………….”.

This wasn’t about pepe measuring for us. It was just fun. We weren’t in kitten mindsets, the fighting with BS this week had been top notch. Jakare I hear you on the group makeup. For sure agree but there were 9 guys, give us a go. We haven’t Pepe measured all week. We applauded BS for The great fights. We fought TFI who were competitive and out there just to fight. So were we. Bulky boy comes over and jumps laughs and then whirls through the 5 of us sitting there. Skarrlloc throws down a wall, he runs into it. Comes back and whirls through us again.

“you know what, that guys a kitten, geoski won’t fight….. F it kill em all”. We have it all on fraps if you’d like to see us not initiate. And further more your story about we were all dueling, I think jakare was the only one dueling, the rest jumped in on the dogpile on bulky bizzle. See you guys next match up.

Geoski.1407:

Just thought I’d show you guys PAXA’s true colors.

This chat session takes place at fightnight when PAXA randomly shows up and DEMANDS a 5v5 from the guild Basic[BS].

Side Note We’ve been wiping PAXA quite a bit in fair fights over the last few weeks so I can see where the nerdrage is coming from.

Well put the fraps up of Bulky and Geoski extermination. Thanks for the 5v5.

There is 6 PAXA and 1 KoM in vent. Nice try. BS wouldnt fight us, so we fought them.

Actually, we have a lot of respect for 95% of the BS guild, just not geoski or bulky.

We come to fight club and no1 will 5v5 us……

Where is fight club?

If the down state was removed or didn’t exist, do you realize how many people would leave this game? Lol it is the biggest crutch a game company has ever created besides stealth lol. Ez mode = Anet.