Guild Wars 2

All I have to say…is that PAXA 100% agrees with eliminating the AoE cap. We have had to pull off, / lost so many fights with 10+ people downed….just didn’t have the man pwr to stomp them because of the MASS AoE dmg being taken by the other 20 idiots spamming a collective total of 2 buttons. 2 buttons from 20 people…is 40 attacks on 5 people….instantly.

Funny part is, all the forum “Warlords” from these 400+ member guilds that run in freight trains of 30+ wouldn’t know how to explain to the 30 people in vent/TS/mumble how they all were forced to release with 5 guys standing over their bodies…..

Anet, put skill back in the skillfuls hands. Let unskilled players learn the hard way, like we all had to at some point in our pvp careers.

PS: AD, keep pushing 5 man (Hopefully inc grp size to 7-8) culture with us. Figure it will probably be about a year before that becomes standard, but don’t stop pushing zergers into that mindset.

Nuzt,

I get on here and complain because NONE of the 40 people in the zerg are willing to test their skill, or their guilds skill against us. So they LAZILY run with the other 39 people from 15 different guilds, and roam the BL. That takes no skill, no coordination, and isn’t challenging. As for the 4 v 5, I couldn’t tell you man. I also havent heard about it in vent but like Osif said, we lose fights too, just not too often. Cheers.

(Organize a fricken 5 man..man)

ekleenex.1654:

Jscull.2514:

We are convinced. Anvil runs NOTHING but 15+ groups. Period. Good job at getting “points”. Cant win a fight with any skills. Very few players are impressive. There are a few, and we have given you props. Gross.

Lol.

Keep running those zergs guys, 5 man groups just don’t give us enough badges.

EDIT: Kudos to [AS] for some sweet sweet moves on our borderland last night. <3

We’d win every fight too if we ran with 10+ semi-competent players in vent every night.

Kitanai.8130:

Jscull.2514:

We are convinced. Anvil runs NOTHING but 15+ groups. Period. Good job at getting “points”. Cant win a fight with any skills. Very few players are impressive. There are a few, and we have given you props. Gross.

good fighting you tonight but had to go take BP’s garrison tonight and mess with your home land and as to running in groups of 15 we run in group of 8 killing you all. will get back to killing you soon

Just because you say you run in a group of 8 VS, doesnt mean there isn’t 15 people (7 others) around you from other guilds. If you want us to consider fights fair, and give you credit on a win…make the red all VS. Other than that, we saw you guys in a bunch of ALS. Not alot of respect given to groups running within their servers “zergers”.

Of the 4-5 fights PAXA had with the VS guys today, there was not one just solely VS. Always SOS adding (or running with you guys). You can ask any PAXA members, and we give credit when it is due and earned…NONE of us will agree that 8 of you wiped our group. If you want that respect, don’t run with others following.

We are convinced. Anvil runs NOTHING but 15+ groups. Period. Good job at getting “points”. Cant win a fight with any skills. Very few players are impressive. There are a few, and we have given you props. Gross.

VS whered you go? We are looking for you.

Anet, please increase the aoe cap. Take out rallying off of kills…

Thanks.

Kardiamond.6952:

Jscull.2514:

Kardiamond,

You should start by grabbing that shield warrior…guy was a brick #### house. Good player.

Ah nice job keyba!

I presume he wasn’t in sniper mode :P

But yeah, were are you guys hanging? We don’t have our group set up yet, but I’m still willing to try to hit and run you.

Which BL do you usually roam by?

On a given night we usually hit all 3 BL’s at some point. If you actively run, and search, you will find us in our black and gold, or we will find you.

(Everyone should turn off the blue/red/green faction colors if you haven’t already)

All you commanders talk like you’re “old war generals”…you run with the dozens around you and either Wvdoor or wipe.

Imalog,
Thanks for admitting we actually derailed you. We wiped for the most part but took alot with us. Most of the time zergers just excuse their way out of a loss. Big of you. It is not as hard as you think to find a group of 20+ on a map. Regardless of if you switch maps.

Why don’t you try running with less than 20 and see how you do as an almighty war general.

Kardiamond,

You should start by grabbing that shield warrior…guy was a brick #### house. Good player.

Kardiamond.6952:

I don’t want to get into this ego stroking between PAXA and VS, but personnally,

I could outrun a centaur

Still waiting on that BL 5 man.

Having 10-12k personal kills running 5 man is VERY different than whatever number youre at VS “commander” with 20+ around you.

Zerg…..AWAY!

Dovgan, I actually gave credit to your ranger the other night in vent. Said you last longer than most, even solo. But we are here to kill. PAXA is driven by # of kills /night, that’s the only thing that matters to us. If you are red and in our visual, you are #10,634 for me, even up to 12,001 for two of our guys.

The only player, Hammerhorn, that has been relatively impressive from VS has been the black robed mesmer. The verdict isn’t out for the rest of the guild, simply just a mob of mindless zergers (aka burger-eaters).

Hammer, when you hunt it is usually with 3-5 of your close buddies. Too much noise for deer, ducks, pheasant.

You hunt us with 20. Thats not hunting, that’s your way of hiding behind meat brother. Meatsheilds dont = leadership. Cheers!

Dear Anet, take out the downed state….if we drop you, shouldn’t be required to do it again. Anyone that defends it, uses the downed state in zergs as their best friend.

Havent run into any impressive BP 5 mans…do they exist?

Failed huh? Lol look at that screen shot. They weren’t “partying” building siege in our spawn.

dagne…get ur best 5, (please make them all perma theives) and meet us somewhere.

Why wont you give it?

Whats your guild tag dagne?

None of our mesmers use portal elite. Plus how many of you left “fight club” to come fight us? lol only 3 right? thanks for the laughs.

Just fyi, playing Kain sucks Oozo…70 man freight train zergs are a joke. PURELY numbers game. PAXA misses the 5 -10 man action. Could go for more AD fights

Dude we never have once said we pass up on fewer numbers. GANK means flanking to kill. Nice pic tho, great advertising.

You dont need that many and yet you kitten on the forums when you die to us…which one is it?

Shadow,

Why don’t you just get 4-6 other guys and run a guild group and come fight us?

Im so glad to see all the DAOCers coming out. I thought we all perished from the earth of open pvp. The past 4 -5 years of carebear pvp, no consequences on death, ez mode classes, and terrible terrible end game let alone lack of open pvp has developed the wrong mentality. I hope Anet understands the pvp in DAOC has never been matched overall (I realize some games had better parts here and there) but overall has been the best. DAOCers rally in these forums and push for the old days. It was worth it then, to spend the time to get to rr10+. It will be again if we can convince Anet that is best for REAL pvp to develop.

Old schoolers from DAOC, the root of the problem here is that the “PvP” culture has vastly changed since our REAL days of open. EZ mode has been introduced, objective swapping has been introduced, “Everyone’s equal” has been introduced. Good news from reading these forums, is there are still alot of 8maners we see out speaking up. THANK GOD!

Wvdoor should not allow your character to become better at killing other players AT ALL! It should have value, i dont disagree there. Strategy, rewards even I agree. But the fact that someone could “earn” a better ability to nuke or aoe someone down, or even heal better in a fight simply by farming keeps or objectives is the “NEW PvP era of pvper’s mentality”. DAOC had its issues. Wasnt pefect, but when it came to pvp….it required real skill, real wit, real teamwork or you and your guild literally got laughed out of YOUR OWN server. This carebear- “everyone should be able to kill everyone” mentality is from gamemakers wanting 12 yr olds to be able to compete with competent, mature, experienced gamers. Simply to keep sales up. This is the closest a game has come to old school days in DAOC. I hope enough of us speak up and they learn that the demand is still out there although fewer than the carebears, it still exists.

Neandra-

You are a commander. You dont run small man. Im willing to bet you never played DAOC and if you did, you didnt run 8mans. If you remove aoe cap, you give small mans the ability to destroy 30 man zergs. You lead those 20+ groups around.

Anet makes it kill based, and takes away AOE cap, the zergs start to disappear because they are made up of mostly lazy, lower skilled players. That’s what this does, puts the power in the most skilled players hands. Thats what people who disagree with these rules fear…NOT being able to compete. Well no crap, get organized and stop relying on others around you and numbers. Rely on yourself.

Styx,

That doesnt take as much skill/energy/or generate as much fun as winning a fight with a equal or higher skill based small man team. Clearly you don’t come from a gaming background like Daoc.

“Repairing, scouting, escorting dolyaks, running support skills, patrolling maps that aren’t yet contested by zergs, fighting losing battles to stall opponents rather than drop them, flipping camps/towers while their would be defenders are occupied elsewhere”

Easy mode man. That’s for players who just want to pass time. Sure it “helps” the overall picture. But here’s the thing, any skilled 5 man can do that and still win the fights open field. So devoting only to what you said is pointless if you can get the kills at the same time.

THIS ABOVE SHOULD BE LAW! Daoc’ers need to come out of the woodworks and prove to Anet there are enough of us to make serious changes. Bring back Old Emain!

Furgerat…I dont think i could write anything other than i agree with everything you’re saying. So does our small man PAXA on NSP. We’re all voting for all the above.

Kill based ranks. PERIOD. When you kill someone, they should be killed. Shouldnt require us to do it twice. AOE cap gaaaaaaabye. Make the ranks seem impossible to accomplish. rr10 was millions of RP’s…And alot of people accomplished it. Just not the majority.

Daoc did it right. Group with pre-chosen class make up, guildies, and be rewarded for winning fights against other faction opposing guilds. This new prestige ranking system should be based off of killing other players. Keeps and camps should simply be strategy for having a backup (fallback) place when you start to lose a fight.

Zergs have a purpose….Making great videos of small mans dropping triple their number.

Commander tags should be earned with an outstanding number of personal kills. Anet makes it 25,000 kills…would eliminate 99% of the commanders. Interestingly enough 99% of the commanders are commanders based off of one fact…you can BUY the title.

Earn it.

Skilled (8 man is the right group size) should be able to wipe 20 man zergs if they are coordinated, higher ranked, and better geared. Anyone that cries in that 20 man zerg, should work on getting into a guild that runs 8 mans and combat them. That’s who was respected in Daoc.

The AOE cap is just a carebear way of limiting what skilled players can do. And giving every class the same choices of realm abilities is wrong. Play the class, and get dealt the cards with what the class’ abilities allow. That’s the POINT of different classes.

Make prestige KILL BASED not objective based. RP’s were based on kills, ANYONE can get high Realm Rank based on keep doors.

Not everyone is equal.

Dhampyr,

We’re not running 5 mans to be carebears. We play for kills. Im not gonna lose a fight and just say, “yay good fight, so happy for everyone” when our objective is to kill what’s red.

Bird,
We are on different wave lengths brother. You command your “hour long banging on the same keep door” armies. We will do our thing. The WM Zergs we have fought hve just simply been numbers and numbers of people. No skill in numbers.
MaximeP said it perfect, Zergs are just for lazy, skill less players who hide behind numbers and ride the wave. We don’t like free waves. Have fun bangin on wood.

Perfect, look forward to finding your /black legion 5 man.

Only guild that has “mopped the floor” with us and it was one fight, since PAXA was created has been AD from Devona’s. And we loved the competition and gave them props for it.

You do realize as osif pointed out, that plan was to spread Zerg up north (because all that runs in kain and AR is Zergs…) We set up two trebs to light up the keep. We got over 50 kills thanks to you and whoever you were running with. Dying 5 times in a row isn’t appealing to us, but killing 50+ without one death sure is. Thanks for the badges.

A guild should not be called hardcore that runs only in 10+. Thats not hardcore, thats just a guild Zerg bird song. Stop giving props to people undeserving.

Mosharn,

We were running two mesmers, neither of which use portal elite. PAXA doesn’t run a necro hoss. It was me a ranger, 2 ele’s, 2 mesmers, and theif.

The real story here is that you guys sat in a camp and built siege. We call those player types “burger eaters”. Because you sit… Build siege, upgrade the camp fully, wait…. Eat your burger in real life, wait some more… Build more siege… Wait some more… Eat other half of your burger… Wait some more and when a group finally comes around, you wipe. Waste all the siege, gold on camp upgrades, and most most most
Importantly, go on the forums and start throwing out terminology like “portal bomb” and “necro pets”. All the meanwhile you are clicking haste and spin spin spin. Thanks for the forum love though. We enjoy it.

Jeda, Still no guild tag….

Just because we don’t fraps movies of us killing 10+ with 5 or 6 doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen SIX.

We run nothing but cloth and medium armor classes. Turtle?

It takes ZERO skill to run around with 10+ people. Everyone gets to hide behind everyone and press a couple buttons. There is ZERO coordination, no skill necessary, just numbers. So all you guys saying zerging is the wvw style, you choose style with no skill needed. Props

Jeda, let us know your guild. We will let you know if we see you in less than a group of 10.

The correct answer is you guys don’t win when you run with less than 10 people. F A C T

Thank you AR and Kain for running ONLY in groups of 10+. Literally every fight we come across is 10+ people. How about tune your skills to be able to run 5 and win some fights…quit using numbers as your winning mechanism. Chumps. And that’s from all of us at PAXA towards your entire server.

Anyone caught trebbing supply camps..should be banned and condemned “Burger Eater”

@ [Six] guys, thanks for running small man. We run a 5 man every night. We appreciated the fights, see you out there. Tell your server to stop ONLY running in 10+

Oozo it’s a shame you can’t post the video of the open field fight on the island just south of the sentry after those two you got. Not because of who won but because it was the first 5 v 5 fight I have had in gw2 (let alone past 6-7 years of mmos) that legitimately felt like 2 guild 8-mans hitting full speed after searching for each other. 5 minute fight, equal numbers, organized 5mans. Very very few pvpers have that mentality anymore thanks to Warfront designs and EZ button games Since Daoc.

Nice to know they are still out there as I mentioned earlier today.

On behalf of the 7 members of PAXA, would like to give credit to true worthy opponents from past couple days. "AD, Btsy (even though two of us are huge steeler fans and hate Baltimore), and a couple of NAME guys. Cheers for the 5 man run-ins. Glad to see skillfull pvpers still exist. Cheers!

Thank God there are people running ONLY 5 mans. I thought it was just PAXA and the rest were zergalites.

Need 5 mans running up north in borderlands…always just add on fights in the south. I cant recall a single fight tho in the past week with 5 SoS members.

When are the rest of you going to realize it is WAY more fun to run small and find other small mans… zerging around the map is for people who choose not to exert skill.