Guild Wars 2

We run a full support guardian now. Staff hammer … All condition removal and cc. Not looking for a dps guardian. We have a build that we will work on with the player.

Our original grp setup was ranger, ele, theif, ele, warrior. We’re more successful in what we run now.

Acelerion.6820:

Very nice video. You guys do a great job rezzing. We went a completely different direction in group setup. Tried something similar to yours but it didnt work for as well as it does you guys.

heres us btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86abmB_7wNI

What does OINK run? At work can’t watch the video lol.

Before I am forced to call my attorney, Pvdoor’ers beware, PAXA is running and 8 man tonight.

This video is from last week. Our group in action.

Read the first post, because our 5 man needs a guardian to run full support. Not really interested in anything else.

FilthyRat.4652:

Jscull.2514:

FilthyRat.4652:

Jscull.2514:

breh.5987:

Ignore the hilarity of someone being all serious business trying to recruit someone here for WvW.. “trial period” and all. Do you not get how much of a joke that is? Please, don’t let your fail Spvp crew mentality bleed here.

You act like spvp is the bigs or something? Mmo player vs player originated in open world pvp. And yea man you play to Zerg, we play to compete. Cheers

WvW is a game of siege warfare and numbers so people can say what they want about zergs all they want every server has them. And as far as the PvP guild goes and all the hating on them, they get results and paint your maps red, so they are doing a good job for SF. And since you guys made a little troll guild about them seems like they got to you guys a lot more than they got to you.

Here’s where there is a clear disconnect between you guys and us… You can paint our map red…. We don’t care about points so that’s a non-issue. Fact is simple, if you run in a Zerg and brag you will receive zero credit and respect from any of us. We just don’t care that you think “wvw is about siege warfare” lol…. Not for us. For PAXA, wvw is a 3 faction open world pvp game where we can run a consistent group and get 1-2-300 kills a night with 5 guys. Thats what it is for us.

That’s all good and the trash talked started months ago with NSP members coming into T8 threads and talking about how SF was going to get stomped right down back to T8 after we made the move.

Please screen shot a PAXA member voicing their opinion in a t8 thread. What you said has zero relevancy towards what I just wrote. I’m not talking about any servers. We don’t care about servers. I’m speaking for our core group of guys… Not some tier system.

FilthyRat.4652:

Jscull.2514:

breh.5987:

Ignore the hilarity of someone being all serious business trying to recruit someone here for WvW.. “trial period” and all. Do you not get how much of a joke that is? Please, don’t let your fail Spvp crew mentality bleed here.

You act like spvp is the bigs or something? Mmo player vs player originated in open world pvp. And yea man you play to Zerg, we play to compete. Cheers

WvW is a game of siege warfare and numbers so people can say what they want about zergs all they want every server has them. And as far as the PvP guild goes and all the hating on them, they get results and paint your maps red, so they are doing a good job for SF. And since you guys made a little troll guild about them seems like they got to you guys a lot more than they got to you.

Here’s where there is a clear disconnect between you guys and us… You can paint our map red…. We don’t care about points so that’s a non-issue. Fact is simple, if you run in a Zerg and brag you will receive zero credit and respect from any of us. We just don’t care that you think “wvw is about siege warfare” lol…. Not for us. For PAXA, wvw is a 3 faction open world pvp game where we can run a consistent group and get 1-2-300 kills a night with 5 guys. Thats what it is for us.

Sorry but sitting in capture points as a bunker build isn’t what I call player vs player. Thanks

breh.5987:

Ignore the hilarity of someone being all serious business trying to recruit someone here for WvW.. “trial period” and all. Do you not get how much of a joke that is? Please, don’t let your fail Spvp crew mentality bleed here.

You act like spvp is the bigs or something? Mmo player vs player originated in open world pvp. And yea man you play to Zerg, we play to compete. Cheers

We run a warrior, theif, Mesmer, guardian/necro, support guardian. We run the same five guys every night as much as possible.

Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.
There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.

Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.

There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.

Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.

There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.

Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.

There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.

Our guild is PAXA (ex-daoc 8manners). We run a 5 man almost every night focused primarily on killing players. We are looking for someone to fill our 5th spot as a full support/heal guardian (basically using staff and hammer). We have our full group established already; this is purely to fill a void in the group. This is also more of a hardcore focused group than what GW2 often presents. Currently PAXA sits in Henge of Denravi. We understand Xfering isn’t super easy at the drop of a hat and are willing to help someone vested in the opportunity.

There will be a trial program at first running with our group to see if there is chemistry with our team. Please send me a PM or respond to this post if you are interested in a killing focused group. We run NA week nights from 7 cst to about 11 or 12 cst. Weekends we usually have a few on to muster a team but isn’t focused as much as the weeknights.

naphack.9346:

If you run into 55 with 5 guys, you are supposed to die…
I don’t see any argument for you being able to win against such odds without heavy terrain advantage.

Nor should we put 15 of the 55 in the downed state….but we do.

bigsal.7061:

After further review, the call on the field stands…….NSP and HoD can now use the Norn Pink Guardian from PvP’s video as a full depiction of what SF teams will bring to the battlefield.
1. In a 10 minute fight switching to a second set of weapons never
2. Spamming 1 (we all knew that anyways)
3. Using buffs like (Empower) with one enemy left in a battle for the first time
4. Putting wall of reflection behind the front line of their team
5. Clicking on their abilities (with their mouse)
6. Spamming 1 (we all knew that anyways)
7. Forum explanations about how SF "works together and now has learned new skills as a server implemented by all on the battlefield
8. Finally, posting a video of 20 rolling maybe 10? Portal bombing and wiping half their own force, and the infamous “let’s all have fun” tag thrown out for everyone’s enjoyment.

SF has used a full time out with the challenge, 1st and 10 PAXA. (WHISTLE)

AWW QQ little jscull.
Your being farmed and now your feelings are hurt. Its not by superior numbers that thats happening to you its because your skill level isnt where it needs to be to puy up any type of real fight.
The 2 t8 servers gave more fight than you guys. My guild LoD runs 3-5 man roaming groups non stop and for the last 2 days have farmed PAXA with somewhat ease with usually one or 2 less peeps.
You guys are like the kids that play wiffleball all day and then complain real baseball sucks because its above your skill lvl and you suck at it.
Im pretty sure ONLY little 5 man fights is not what anet had in mind for WvW try spvp.
If thats not for you then maybe this game isnt for you. Keep up the QQ though, we feed on your tears.

2 things here sir bigsal, Daoc and WAR had huge maps with takeable keeps and capture points…Doesn’t mean the entirety of the population only knew how to run with 55 people on their hips because Mythic allowed for those 55 people to be smoked in 1 minute or less by a group of 8 guys who actually knew to (see the above) change weapons/use their entire line of abilities/where to put the right abilities at the right time. (Took a little more thought than pressing 1, putting up empower with no enemies left, and a wall of relfection where it cannot do it’s job of reflecting because its behind everyone).

Anet allows us to smoke 5, put 10 people in the downed state….Stomp 2, and have 8 return to life from a mosquito that someone breathed on and died. Yea, you’re right SF is a bunch of people willing to learn how to “play wvw the way it’s meant to be played”.

I’m gonna laugh this right to the hardcore trophy wall.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Jscull.2514:

D W.5179:

Jscull.2514:

Yes you’re correct in knowing that my guys and I don’t feel taking a tower with 20+ people is deserving of credit. And because in a half hour it will be retaken don’t feel that having taken it in the first place is worth a single thing. Before going into just bashing, re-read what I wrote and please come up with answers to my question marks. “What are you gaining by winning?” “what has (winning) actually earned any of you?” “what actual outcome does the scoreboard reflect?”

I know this isn’t directed at me, but I’ll give this one a shot.

“What are you gaining by winning?”
Nothing more than some server ranking in a game.

“what has (winning) actually earned any of you?”
Ironically (because of the above answer), NOT server ranking LOL.

“what actual outcome does the scoreboard reflect?”
Usually active server WvW population.

Well this begs a fourth question.
Why play then?
Because win or lose, it’s a kitten fun game!

You are from SF and I appreciate this post more than any post in the past 3 months hands down. The real answer no one on that side will ever admit. Thanks for being a glimmering sign of hope.

You play to win the game…Otherwise there is no game, in PVE do you join dungeons to spar with the bosses? Nope, its to beat the dungeon (IE: to win)…Is it our fault that ANET decided to offer no reward for winning? No. Would you rather we not keep score? Do you want a participation trophy? Would you like people to recognize your superior build/trait lines coupled with the impressive combo field group you run with?

Seriously PAXA, why is it everytime you guys post its always anti-zerg, anti-capping, anti-WvW essentially. What you have is an OPINION of how WE should be playing which is mildly hilarious, and overtly sad on your part….

But to suggest that we should all just roam in 5 man groups, ignore capping, ignore the scoring system, essentially ignore the mechanics of WvW, all becuase what? ANET set the grouping system up to accomodate 5-man teams? You really think that was their intent? Just make this massive WvW scenario and then have 10-five man teams running around PVPing each other? That just sounds silly…Essentially, what I truly believe, is that people like you that come in here saying things like this, really just want people to play YOUR style since you think that what you are doing is superior. When in fact what your doing might have some merit to the overall aspect of the game (IE: helping your server somewhat), the reality is that sitting on your BL camping a spawn “looking for a good fight to better yourself” is slightly more of a waste of time than actually capping camps and towers etc…

After further review, the call on the field stands…….NSP and HoD can now use the Norn Pink Guardian from PvP’s video as a full depiction of what SF teams will bring to the battlefield.
1. In a 10 minute fight switching to a second set of weapons never
2. Spamming 1 (we all knew that anyways)
3. Using buffs like (Empower) with one enemy left in a battle for the first time
4. Putting wall of reflection behind the front line of their team
5. Clicking on their abilities (with their mouse)
6. Spamming 1 (we all knew that anyways)
7. Forum explanations about how SF "works together and now has learned new skills as a server implemented by all on the battlefield
8. Finally, posting a video of 20 rolling maybe 10? Portal bombing and wiping half their own force, and the infamous “let’s all have fun” tag thrown out for everyone’s enjoyment.

SF has used a full time out with the challenge, 1st and 10 PAXA. (WHISTLE)

Sororita.3465:

Paxa vs SF, Small man vs Zerg, No Paxa vs Os yet though

I couldn’t help but laugh at that picture… kittening Scotty.

Punch.4231:

Very sorry to PAXA for not fighting you on the terms that suit you best. Please accept my deepest apologies. We will form several small super-tanky voicechat-coordinated focus-firing roaming groups and then PM you their positions around the maps (away from cap points because who cares about those anyway amirite?) See you guys out there!

If only there were some way for 5man groups to compete on an even playing field without interference. Hmmm, no. Nothing coming to mind.

Punchy punch I ran 8 man in Daoc for 3 years straight, the same guys. Anyone from pvp open world backgrounds knows that no open world fights go uninterrupted. We don’t PM teams to meet us anywhere. Half of the fun is the hunt and positioning yourself on the map correctly to have advantages.

I think having received no answers other than [seed] which openly admits to frequently joining the Zerg there is no other form of open world pvp for SF than Zerg balling. In which case no credit will be given for anything you guys accomplish because as a number of my colleagues in this thread have pointed out population “is winning” for SF.

Pizz.3698:

Jscull.2514:

This is funny. The reason I know you don’t get where I’m coming from is because the first thing you did was give me a scoreboard update. I never once asked and actually explained non of PAXA care about the score. Thank you for answering you spent 4 months doing the exact same thing everyday to finally move up a tier…. To guess what? Do the exact same thing. 4 months in which I’m sure you had fun but by Anets (and your own apparently) standards gained you nothing but forum bragging. Point is dude Zerging should not be the ONLY form an entire server’s pvp team uses. Like I said earlier I get new players want to have backup close by and to work together. Please name 3-5 small man guilds that run primetime? Can you do that? And running 15 is not small man. To be specific, run 10 or less and look for fights and not ONLY points? Can you do that?

[Seed] runs a 3-5 man team most of the time during primetime and up to 10-15 during scheduled event, though we do join/command zergs when they are useful for the situation. There’s no point in avoiding zergs when your server is siegeing Stonemist.

And YES we do cap zergs with 10+ people because that’s how you make sure you have enough supply to siege towers, keeps and castles. Wether you like it or not and wether you think it’s skill or not, SF is really good to group up on certain BLs when called upon. We group up fast and cap fast because we know how to do it.

When you ask: ’’What’s the point of capping something to loose it half an hour later?" I answer: “How’d you feel loosing that waypoint in your garrison?” You seem to be trolling just for the fun of trolling. I still have yet to be outskilled in WvW, be it 1v1s 2v1s 5v5s, etc.

It isn’t fun trying to explain a different culture’s perspective all day.
That culture being small mans out for kills and building congruent teams that are tough as nails to take down and take focus/coordination/awareness to stand a chance against.

That being said you named one guild that sounds like more often than not joins the Zerg to “help the server”. Please name 3-5 guild small mans that are out competing for something other than joining the Zerg eventually and the scoreboard.

D W.5179:

Jscull.2514:

Yes you’re correct in knowing that my guys and I don’t feel taking a tower with 20+ people is deserving of credit. And because in a half hour it will be retaken don’t feel that having taken it in the first place is worth a single thing. Before going into just bashing, re-read what I wrote and please come up with answers to my question marks. “What are you gaining by winning?” “what has (winning) actually earned any of you?” “what actual outcome does the scoreboard reflect?”

I know this isn’t directed at me, but I’ll give this one a shot.

“What are you gaining by winning?”
Nothing more than some server ranking in a game.

“what has (winning) actually earned any of you?”
Ironically (because of the above answer), NOT server ranking LOL.

“what actual outcome does the scoreboard reflect?”
Usually active server WvW population.

Well this begs a fourth question.
Why play then?
Because win or lose, it’s a kitten fun game!

You are from SF and I appreciate this post more than any post in the past 3 months hands down. The real answer no one on that side will ever admit. Thanks for being a glimmering sign of hope.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

The main point you mindless zergers seem to miss… Is just because Anet allows your mindless Zerg to win most fights because of the numbers you have (I.e 25 people fighting 5 people at a supply camp) doesn’t mean youre honing any skills. It means Anet has allowed you guys to win those fights. Has nothing to do with your organization or talent and everything to do with the fact that you have 20 more guys than the opposing camp defenders to mash #1.

First, I do not zerg so drop your attitude. Zerging is part of WvW whether you like it or not. This is a fight to WIN, not win without hurting the losers feelings. Anet doesn’t ALLOW us to win, we win with strategy and tactics with zerging being ONE of those tactics.

Myself, I prefer smaller, more organized groups that perform the real work before AND after the zerg does the their work. And sure, we join the zerg for precision strikes to speed thing up or help with stubborn defense.

And it is honing the zergs skills. You sound like our friends over in T8 when we first started beating them each week. If you are so worried about numbers then just be patient while we win some match-ups and we will move into T6 sooner or later.

Remember, it is just a game so have fun in whatever you are doing!

Tell me what you are winning? How long has SF been in tier 8? What has all your “winning” gained you? All your “score updates”? You guys have been in T8 for months. Doesn’t seem like you have won anything. All you guys that say WvW is about “winning” never have an answer for Anet putting you on the top of the scoreboard and KEEPING you in the same tier.

So your response for “Zergs reasoning for fighting that style is to win” is just a funny argument. You guys get on everyday group up behind blue Doritos and bang on keeps and towers which end up being retaken half hour later. Doesn’t gain you a thing…. You say “we are playing for points”….Again what do those points gain you? Months and months of the same thing to MAYBE move up to be the bottom feeders in the exact same process?

So the mindless hours spent in a Zerg (not honing skills by the way… You can press #1 and kill just about anything) are spent towards a meaningless non-outcome changing score….

So the answer (unless you are 100% casual only) is you should at least work on becoming a better player.

Hi, thanks for stopping by and sharing your reasonable and valued response. The sun must not be up where you live.

Just for arguments sake (not saying you are arguing because your statements are just meant to inflame people’s responses) I will answer your questions.

1. We are winning this matchup, by at least 30k last I checked.
2. SF was in T8 for almost 4 months give or take.
3. Our winning has gained us 3+ months of winning by at least double the second place servers score. (Yes, there were some weeks where it was not double, but it was close).

So, to recap. The T8 server you seem to think we are, is beating both of your T7 server. Your T7 server that moved down is in a close match with those other T8 servers you keep trying to disparage.

So not only are we winning in every normal sense of the word, we are also TIGER BLOOD winning.

This is funny. The reason I know you don’t get where I’m coming from is because the first thing you did was give me a scoreboard update. I never once asked and actually explained non of PAXA care about the score. Thank you for answering you spent 4 months doing the exact same thing everyday to finally move up a tier…. To guess what? Do the exact same thing. 4 months in which I’m sure you had fun but by Anets (and your own apparently) standards gained you nothing but forum bragging. Point is dude Zerging should not be the ONLY form an entire server’s pvp team uses. Like I said earlier I get new players want to have backup close by and to work together. Please name 3-5 small man guilds that run primetime? Can you do that? And running 15 is not small man. To be specific, run 10 or less and look for fights and not ONLY points? Can you do that?

Voradors.5381:

Jscull.2514:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

The main point you mindless zergers seem to miss… Is just because Anet allows your mindless Zerg to win most fights because of the numbers you have (I.e 25 people fighting 5 people at a supply camp) doesn’t mean youre honing any skills. It means Anet has allowed you guys to win those fights. Has nothing to do with your organization or talent and everything to do with the fact that you have 20 more guys than the opposing camp defenders to mash #1.

First, I do not zerg so drop your attitude. Zerging is part of WvW whether you like it or not. This is a fight to WIN, not win without hurting the losers feelings. Anet doesn’t ALLOW us to win, we win with strategy and tactics with zerging being ONE of those tactics.

Myself, I prefer smaller, more organized groups that perform the real work before AND after the zerg does the their work. And sure, we join the zerg for precision strikes to speed thing up or help with stubborn defense.

And it is honing the zergs skills. You sound like our friends over in T8 when we first started beating them each week. If you are so worried about numbers then just be patient while we win some match-ups and we will move into T6 sooner or later.

Remember, it is just a game so have fun in whatever you are doing!

Tell me what you are winning? How long has SF been in tier 8? What has all your “winning” gained you? All your “score updates”? You guys have been in T8 for months. Doesn’t seem like you have won anything. All you guys that say WvW is about “winning” never have an answer for Anet putting you on the top of the scoreboard and KEEPING you in the same tier.

So your response for “Zergs reasoning for fighting that style is to win” is just a funny argument. You guys get on everyday group up behind blue Doritos and bang on keeps and towers which end up being retaken half hour later. Doesn’t gain you a thing…. You say “we are playing for points”….Again what do those points gain you? Months and months of the same thing to MAYBE move up to be the bottom feeders in the exact same process?

So the mindless hours spent in a Zerg (not honing skills by the way… You can press #1 and kill just about anything) are spent towards a meaningless non-outcome changing score….

So the answer (unless you are 100% casual only) is you should at least work on becoming a better player.

I started reading the last page of this thread to see some recent stuff, ran across this post and realized i shouldnt even bother.

People are always going to think the enemy server has more players which are all fully decked out in Greens and Blues (ironically matching their color on the weekly matchup), while their server is full of 5 man highly tactical groups in Pink Ascended, taking out 50 man paper zergs.
“The only reason my server ever loses is because we are outmanned, and X server doesnt deserve the keep they just took.”

Until you try defending a keep against a group of Anet golems, dont talk to me about a developer helping out an enemy server too much.

kittenin Superior Developers/Numbers/Tactics/Siege/Gear/XXXXXXXX………
https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/60675/anet_employee_down.jpg

Yes you’re correct in knowing that my guys and I don’t feel taking a tower with 20+ people is deserving of credit. And because in a half hour it will be retaken don’t feel that having taken it in the first place is worth a single thing. Before going into just bashing, re-read what I wrote and please come up with answers to my question marks. “What are you gaining by winning?” “what has (winning) actually earned any of you?” “what actual outcome does the scoreboard reflect?”

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

The main point you mindless zergers seem to miss… Is just because Anet allows your mindless Zerg to win most fights because of the numbers you have (I.e 25 people fighting 5 people at a supply camp) doesn’t mean youre honing any skills. It means Anet has allowed you guys to win those fights. Has nothing to do with your organization or talent and everything to do with the fact that you have 20 more guys than the opposing camp defenders to mash #1.

First, I do not zerg so drop your attitude. Zerging is part of WvW whether you like it or not. This is a fight to WIN, not win without hurting the losers feelings. Anet doesn’t ALLOW us to win, we win with strategy and tactics with zerging being ONE of those tactics.

Myself, I prefer smaller, more organized groups that perform the real work before AND after the zerg does the their work. And sure, we join the zerg for precision strikes to speed thing up or help with stubborn defense.

And it is honing the zergs skills. You sound like our friends over in T8 when we first started beating them each week. If you are so worried about numbers then just be patient while we win some match-ups and we will move into T6 sooner or later.

Remember, it is just a game so have fun in whatever you are doing!

Tell me what you are winning? How long has SF been in tier 8? What has all your “winning” gained you? All your “score updates”? You guys have been in T8 for months. Doesn’t seem like you have won anything. All you guys that say WvW is about “winning” never have an answer for Anet putting you on the top of the scoreboard and KEEPING you in the same tier.

So your response for “Zergs reasoning for fighting that style is to win” is just a funny argument. You guys get on everyday group up behind blue Doritos and bang on keeps and towers which end up being retaken half hour later. Doesn’t gain you a thing…. You say “we are playing for points”….Again what do those points gain you? Months and months of the same thing to MAYBE move up to be the bottom feeders in the exact same process?

So the mindless hours spent in a Zerg (not honing skills by the way… You can press #1 and kill just about anything) are spent towards a meaningless non-outcome changing score….

So the answer (unless you are 100% casual only) is you should at least work on becoming a better player.

Azaruil.3406:

Jscull.2514:

Here the thing pal, Daoc / WAR had Zergs. I get that non-experienced players want to run with backup close by. The argument is that it is ALL YOU CAN DO. When entire servers cant even name 3-5 small man consistent teams on their own server then the respect level just plummets. 100s of people and No one wants to try how challenging running around with 5-even 10 can be ? Just log in and right to 40? There’s no challenge in that.

That is the main issue as well for me. The zergs are a part of wvw as you cannot 5-man a keep when there are defenders, but roaming on a map and not finding a single smaller enemy group willing to challenge themselves is quite disheartening to say the least.

Although I did come across a gutsy necro from SF the other day. She watched me 1v1 a warrior and only jumped in after I finished him. After I downed her, I bowed and walked away, because that type of mentality deserves respect.

It’s sad that this is reality but PAXA bows to anyone willing to fight us under 10… Lol that’s still double our number and we are bowing. But we do it, because it takes a sense of challenge/skill to charge into what you know is going to be a tough fight.

Typhus.3502:

Small scale fighting is fun, but zerging can be entertaining too. I come from a warhammer online background, where we mostly ran with 5-8 skilled players. But unlike that game, you can’t hold out forever or wipe a zerg with so few.

Maybe I’m confused, or maybe I enjoyed a different brand of fun, but I don’t think your “even” fights are nearly as exhilarating as being outnumbered. Half of you are waffling about 5v20, while I can’t imagine what would be more fun.

Rather than complaining about zergs on the forums, you have to enter wvw with the understanding that they’re there. If you don’t like the idea of zerging, or don’t like fighting zergs, then don’t. If you got killed by 50 people, it’s because your situational awareness was too poor to notice a wave of red coming your way, maybe you went too far and didn’t recognize that it was time to pull back, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Alternatively, if you’re in eb when there’s a queue, numbers are inescapable, work with the zerg, use it for what it is, a wave of meat-shields. It doesn’t matter if they’re mindless, you can choose your targets.

For me, I did mostly small scale for a long time, but the problem with that in gw2, for me at least, was that 5 isn’t enough to take objectives, or have any actual impact. That being said, if the fights were good, I was content. On the zerg side, playing with PvP for the last few nights has been refreshing, really solidifying my return to the game, after a 4 month absence.

Here the thing pal, Daoc / WAR had Zergs. I get that non-experienced players want to run with backup close by. The argument is that it is ALL YOU CAN DO. When entire servers cant even name 3-5 small man consistent teams on their own server then the respect level just plummets. 100s of people and No one wants to try how challenging running around with 5-even 10 can be ? Just log in and right to 40? There’s no challenge in that.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kanthar Turambar.9164:

Predictions were made:

SF will flatten HoD and NSP worse than they were destroying FC and ET (nope).
HOD and NSP are going to stop SF back to t8 (nope).
GOM is going to flatten t8 (nope).
T8 is going to destroy GOM (nope).
ANY T8 server can threaten in t7 (remains to be seen, what will the end score look like?).
SF belongs in t(better than 7) (sure looks like it).
SF are weekend warriors who will lose steam going into the week (remains to be seen, I’m guessing the evenings will all move pretty similarly).
GOM may start slow and pick up steam through the week (sure looks like it).

These are a few I remember off the top of my head. I was guilty of thinking HOD and NSP would crush SF, I’ll admit, but really, the accuracy on the extremes is pretty hilariously off.

I agree. That is why I just ignored all the kitten talking from all three sides and just posted that I will let the results speak for themselves. We of SF are no joke and with healthy competition we will only improve. As out numbers (zergball, whatever, call it what you want) start getting more experience with tougher battles our edge will sharpen.

Great fights that I was involved in over the weekend. Can’t wait to get off work this afternoon!!

The main point you mindless zergers seem to miss… Is just because Anet allows your mindless Zerg to win most fights because of the numbers you have (I.e 25 people fighting 5 people at a supply camp) doesn’t mean youre honing any skills. It means Anet has allowed you guys to win those fights. Has nothing to do with your organization or talent and everything to do with the fact that you have 20 more guys than the opposing camp defenders to mash #1.

Punch.4231:

PAXA and XOXO are like that kid on the other team, who, losing by 30 will tell you – “1 on 1 I’ll destroy you!”

While it may be true it’s entirely irrelevant.

You’ve received a lot of respect in this thread and all you have in response is QQ, and troll posts.

I’ve seen XOXO in zergs btw, so let’s cut the BS.

Respect to all the WvWers who don’t die and run to the forums. Saturday night VLK guys you just kept coming back to Greenlake. You died a lot (numbers not on your side), but you kept coming. You didn’t get the keep back but you tied us up for a while. No ragequitting and no running to the forums crying for a GvG.

Please point out where a PAXA member has come back with “hey man 1v1 me?”. Doesn’t exist. We run group spec builds, none of us are full bunkers, nor do we die respawn die respawn die respawn like call of duty. My focus as the driver is KTD (kill to death ratio). This isn’t QQing.

Shu.6981:

Tossed Fikitten380:

Shu.6981:

Ah were you the female one with the black eye? Sorry for my description, it was the only thing i could remember :P I spent a good 10 minutes trying to understand your message but i couldn’t. I’m a bit slow, enlighten me!

I was, lol. That’s me raging because you 3 thieves were the only ones that I kept having trouble with. I was having fun picking off stragglers who were running to the bay keep in SF borderlands. :p

Haha! Well you were alone quite a few times if I could remember and I like killing lonely people. Also,since I have been hearing that VLK is supposedly “good”, you guys are on my KoS list atm :p

Engaging Mugi is like outrunning 5 dobermans…it doesn’t end up well for you.

@alchemist.3692

Clearly you don’t know us yet. Never will you see us posting up for a tower if there are people around the south island or north camp to kill…. Which is almost always so the tower thing immediately out the window. Like Osif said, youre trying to make
A “burn” on guys who absolutely care not for the score. As for running 5, try turning off your server colors and look for the “5” guys running black and gold. No one cries about 10-15 man groups as the main force… If you want us to post videos of the 5-6 of us downing 10-15 we can do that for your entertainment.

Varconi.1804:

Gisei.5749:

Oh people. How can you be so ignorant of WvW?

Of course, the zerg has the higher skilled players, just because they have more, so the likelihood of a having a gem is higher, though among all the other players, it’ll go unnoticed.

This is so blatantly wrong as to be comical. Ask anyone on any server who the best players are you will find that those people are almost exclusively in small groups. Zergs require the least amount of skill and skilled players who enjoy getting better and testing their skill avoid them the majority of the time.

If you do in fact believe this I can assume you lack any real pvp skill and are still living in a WvW zerg bubble.

SF has been really annoying by the size of their zergs but at least my loot bags this week have at least quadrupled with outmanned and players who can’t handle themself outside 3:1 odds.

Good god…this man speaks truth. Anyone that runs (consistently) primarily in zergs forfeits their ability to learn to play in intense, skillful, and self-testing scenarios. Period. I know everyone else says zergs have their uses…fine…I’m not changing my opinion on that matter, but factually running in zergs slows your learning process of becoming a true bad kitten WAY DOWN!

Seven.4520:

People complain about large groups running around all the time. like SvenskNavi said, it’s a war zone. It’s not a coliseum style fight. That’s like Confederates looking at the Union and saying “Lol, You had more people in your zerg, gg noobs”. It’s about objectives. So long as you maintain and acquire those objectives, It doesn’t matter if you did it with 5 people or 50. Points are points, wins are wins. I think people lost track of this important fact.

You fellas clearly have never experience hardcore pvp. Wouldn’t know what it even looks like until some black and gold come stomp you with their 25 guys.

Who ever said WvW was designed to be zerg matches? No one said that….that’s all you and the “85%” know. It’s just like what Romney said, 47%…

Zen.1965:

Jscull.2514:

The problem is we are here for different levels of fun. SF seems to only know how to have fun with 40 + people around each other.

HoD has it’s 20 manners, as well as NSP. (which i still find equally annoying)

There are ALSO a good number of people who only need 1-10 around them to have their fun, and SF doesn’t have any of those. That’s why the thread got closed because other than those Osif pointed out, the forum posters would like to enjoy more skill-full combat in open world pvp. And you all simply do not provide anything close. This isn’t trolling, it’s stating facts man.

Nah man, everyone on every server comes to WvW for different aspects of fun. Do we have a lot of people? Yes. When I go to do something do 40+ of my friends tag along? Sometimes. Does that mean we don’t have fun in small group/GvG/roamer sort of playstyles? Not at all.

“There are ALSO a good number of people who only need 1-10 around them to have their fun, and SF doesn’t have any of those.” Sorry but just not true. I can tell you for a fact that we do have a lot of people who like the 1-10, 1-20, etc, small group, GvG sort of environments. Like I said though, when it comes to WvW, outside of a specifically designated set up, you will find a lot of us. Just kind of how it goes.

Skillful open world PvP? Interesting man… As far as “simple facts” go I honestly question how much you’ve really seen. It’s 3 days into the match up. Don’t just dismiss our server because we field numbers to steam roll supply camps all the time (btw most of them are probably there to get supply not just to flip the camp). Like I said, you all have my account info. Add me, I’ll duel. Want something more then that? Small group or maybe GvG stuff? Whisper me and maybe we can work it out.

Just please, end this kitten talk. K?

Zen, not here to yank chains man. Off the 3 days all everyone has to say about SF is zerg zerg zerg athon. You run a less than 10man? We run 5 everyday. would love to know you guys are roaming so we can hunt ya.

loseridoit.2756:

Jscull.2514:

This will never happen because 85% of the population doesn’t have hardcore player vs player experience thus needs ez mode. Anet will never change from what 85% of their playerbase NEEDS (ez mode) to partake in as their “pvp” experience.

true, i am part of the problem since I love playing pve

Really, Anet should make arrow carts supply requirement cheaper. Effective siege weapons will always deter zergs.

Like I said “85% of the population doesn’t have real player vs player experience” because the 15% of us that do would never (like Acel said) spend the effort or time sitting in place spamming 2 buttons. Dude….we are from the gaming world where you utilize your character to its MAX against other characters. Clearly over your head. We want to FIGHT OTHER SKILLED PLAYERS interested in the same thing, not interested in sitting on arrow carts/catapults/trebs/ or on keep walls.

Zen.1965:

-.-

Seriously… Like I’m not directing this to anyone or any server in particular. Seriously, we get our match up thread closed and we’re only in the 3rd kitten day of it? Wtf guys?

Hopefully we can keep this one somewhat civil -.-

As for SF’s golem march through EB it was 29 alphas and 1 omega. Needed the omega to command them all, it just doesn’t make any sense otherwise.

@Rob, sneaky kittens… I must’ve logged out just before you guys pulled that golem maneuver on our BL. Was hoping the east coast crew would take care of anything like that. GJ. All keeps… we had that upgraded well…. You break my heart man <\3. Well played.

The problem is we are here for different levels of fun. SF seems to only know how to have fun with 40 + people around each other.

HoD has it’s 20 manners, as well as NSP. (which i still find equally annoying)

There are ALSO a good number of people who only need 1-10 around them to have their fun, and SF doesn’t have any of those. That’s why the thread got closed because other than those Osif pointed out, the forum posters would like to enjoy more skill-full combat in open world pvp. And you all simply do not provide anything close. This isn’t trolling, it’s stating facts man.

This will never happen because 85% of the population doesn’t have hardcore player vs player experience thus needs ez mode. Anet will never change from what 85% of their playerbase NEEDS (ez mode) to partake in as their “pvp” experience.

King Amadaeus.8619:

subcrazy.1098:

If its all so pointless why are your panties so bunched and why are you raging in a forum??? Why not go run fractals? Why are you so upset? Do you need some cream to rub on that kitten?

Lady its ur panties that are bunched, you went off on the skarloc post. So its pointless that you even being pointless which makes you pointless, on how pointless the forum post are on being pointless, which comes back to you as being pointless.

1. I am a dude
2. If you think that I “went off” on that post: luls…My point in response to the post was that: what was teh point of the post you pasted in, and why should anyone care what skar whatever said/thought?

Overall: again, if WvW is so pointless why would said person take the time to write a mini-thesis on the subject? Why would you claim to follow said-person’s teaching and then rage when said logic is poked fun at? Are you a zealot? Are you gonna start the church of “Anti-zerg, small roaming group, WvW is pointless but I play a lot, and all praise the manifesto of skarlog” church?

WvW isn’t pointless. Zerging around in 40 to take a tower that 10 or less people could take is pointless. Sars has pointed this out before…..there is a 5 person AoE cap, 5 people to build most siege, 5 person boon and condition removal limit…..What is pointless is that you run with the amount you do, brag, and at the end of the day won’t even come close to winning a real Player Vs. Player fight because you’re the guy that fights by the tower door so when his health gets low….can stay up by RUNNING away.

Every tier has teddy bears like you, all the same. I believe Skarloc said that too….“dime a dozen”. Perhaps you can be the “Star” in our next video.

King Amadaeus.8619:

subcrazy.1098:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Sarsbear.3469:

In honor of this thread, I’m going to quote an epic Q&A given by Skarloc a few months ago.

Q: What prize does the first place server get at the end of the week? A: Nothing at all… just let that sink in for a minute. That’s right, regardless of what place you finish, nothing at all changes, nor does it matter whatsoever. I suppose there’s bragging rights, but that’s a lot like bragging that you have extra chromosome’s compared to the other kids in class. Some things are worth getting excited about, and that’s just not one of them.

Q: But wait, can’t you move up to a higher tier by finishing first? A:Yes, you actually can, where you can try accomplishing the same exact thing you did in the previous tier.

Q: Hold up, that sounds like a terrible reward system. So the score only matters for who you go up against the next week, and that’s it? Not only that, but doesn’t the current system ensure that servers will fight against the same servers for weeks and months on end, regardless of who’s first? A: Precisely, but surprisingly it’s enough for people to get excited about. You have to take into account that a majority of the player base also enjoys watching paint dry and sniffing glue, so this is something they look forward to. Not quite different, but somewhat of a step up.

Q: So is there any difference of talent between the tiers? A: Overall, there is very little. You see, ArenaNet had this brilliant strategy where you could hop servers whenever you felt like it. What ended up happening was massive changes in servers rising and falling through the tiers because of entire guilds up and moving. While there are exceptions on several servers, for the most part the skill level is generally equal. You have to realize that most of the people who participate in WvW run in packs of 20+, so skill is not needed during most fights.

Q: So what really makes up the scores for each tier then? A:A combination of things, with numbers and coverage being the two most important. Having more people spread out over a 24 hour period is the key to success and is what makes up 95% of the score. Most commanders seem to think they are General Patton, and that Tuesday night WvW is the reenactment of the Allied invasion of Normandy, but it’s actually just a video game. You need to take into account that a lot of these commanders have trouble differentiating between this game and real life, so their level of skill and coordination in this game are grossly exaggerated.

Q: So you’re saying that coordination doesn’t matter when leading a zerg? A: Not at all, just that numbers and coverage are much more important. You see, commanders are a dime a dozen, and when one is not around, another one will throw up the tag and it’s business as usual. His success likely depends on how many numbers he has with him compared to what he’s facing. These maps have the complexity of a coloring book, so there’s really not a lot to leading a zerg, despite what you hear.

Score update please?

Two questions:

Who in the blue hell is a skarloc?

Why would we care that he/she thinks that he/she is qualified to give commentary on anything other than the snacks he/she consumed while pounding away he/she’s furious little sausage fingers on their keyboard whilst writing said Q/A?

Went right over your head I see. Hey the door is that way > Watch out I heard they hit back at times.

Yes to the extent that I could care less, I get the jest, blah blah WvW is pointless no reward, leading zergs is bad mmmkay…still dont care, gonna cap something on your BL now with 50 people….WE ARE THE MZ!

Youre the same guy that brags about what you accomplish (which taking towers and keeps with 40 people determines nothing as far as outcome for your server, other than continually competing for a pointless scoreboard and wasting all their time).

As proven via your responses to what Sars and subcrazy wrote you are also the guy that when running with 10 or less gets SMOKED by our guild. I dont need to “brag” for our guild because we prove it every night. You sir on the other hand prove that you are among those as Skarloc said that “enjoys the complexity of zerging like a coloring book and announces his arrival like general patton”. At least we have our expectations In the right places.

Kiran.2705:

A) The borderlands are too small. They’re made up choke points, cliffs, archways, and keeps with too few open areas for small groups to make clean engagements or, most importantly, disengagements. There’s no room to make good fights and large groups move around the map so quickly that they can collapse upon you before your fight is even finished. Zergs can clog up an entire route and box you in quite easily, so running in a small gangs is extremely risky.
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B) Objectives give you the best rewards. Player kills don’t. That promotes blitzing keeps while defenders are occupied elsewhere on the map and avoiding prolonged engagements, which small groups would be able to side door or back door.

C) WvW is set up around servers, not guilds or groups. If it doesn’t benefit the server, no incentive is provided to do it. Small man groups rarely benefit server warfare, since they avoid all the things that bring in server prestige in favor of fair fights on open ground. Server oriented groups actually hate them.

Small gang fighting doesn’t really exist in this game. The deck is too stacked against them. It would also require drastic changes to fix that, which I doubt Anet will ever even consider. 8v8 days of DAoC are gone. Let them rest in peace.

We run 5 guys every night. Our tier has legit like 3-4 other guilds that do the same. It does exist. Just in small pockets. I have invited “8manners” (5mans in this game) to move to our tier to compete daily but all the others just whine about the Zergs their groups face. Well, until you guys man up and move to a different tier you will be faced with 20-80 mans full of terrible players who can’t win without that many in player vs player combat.

Maybe well hop over to SF to give them a fair fight in a carebear world of meaningless scorekeepers and “I can only go where senior blue Dorito says I can go”.

Robert, you Were stomped by the 6 us in the midst of 25 of your own. Purple hair human… Stomped. 25 Robertalites < 6. You drive your Zerg like the captain of the HMS Titanic. (it was built in Ireland ya know…)

Rob.7624:

subcrazy.1098:

Hey good comeback with “Amazing comeback.”

I love how u have a hard on for everything related to PAXA, I also like how you brought the arguing with us on the forums again its fun.

Hey thanks for watching tho.

Fantastic.
Its descended into bickering after only a few posts.
My job is done here.

Oh.
And I’ll think you find that I gave you guys props. As in well done.
Me starting an argument with you?
Psssh.

You my friend are highly deluded.
Please read what I wrote.
Like a good boy ^__^

Are you mad that I’ve pointed out the obvious?

You’re very welcome.
You guys seem to need the views and attention.

Robert, yes you “complimented” us because you personally and the band of misfits you were “leading” got wiped by 6 guys. Yea you rolled our ENTIRE group once, had a couple other kills, I would hope so with 20+. My favorite part of that video will be watching you ALL OUT SPRINT through your 25 people to avoid dying. Seems about right for a blue Dorito. It was gratifying selling the “heavy loot bag” I picked up from your sweet purple Beiber hair.

Rob.7624:

My suspension has ended on the forums!

In response to anything aimed at Os or myself.
Os has always had a large WvW presence, with our max output on good days being +60 and a more consistent +40 the rest of the time.
Generally not being seen is the entire point, one minute you’ll look at your map and everything will be fine, and then the next you’ll have just lost your Garrison.

A picture of myself in inclosed incase there was any confusion. Which is posted earlier.
See first 3 below. (All Os heavy Commanders look the same)

The rest of these pictures are mostly GoM bl.
Yes.
That was me.

I really dont know what to say.
But Ronnys your problem now.

If you want to work with both servers to fight us? Eh.
It just shows us that you’re not good enough, we’ll still fight our own battles for ourselves.
Accidental team up is one thing. Organised coordination is ridiculous.
But meh.
Come at us bros.
Do you even lift?

Props to the Sc and PAXA group today.
You got rolled, but eh. Was good fighting.
Except for the running part, you guys should know not to bother baiting.

Post below I will have yesterdays stuff.
Which I couldn’t post due to suspension.

Thanks for the fraps video of the 6 of us rolling your 20+ man.

Here’s the deal, Anet is a business. Everyone knows once WoW was created and 8 year olds crying on forums could actually impact change because their mommies and daddies paid the 15 a month, game makers then became lets get the “everyone can play their style” mentality. Like a couple of you have said, it’s simple this is casual carebear land. It’s like call of duty, anyone can do it and FAST. Well thing is, unless kills become focus of something more than keep wood, 1/3 of the population will leave gw2 because that third is here to challenge themselves and win against people. And not with 40 people around them. PUT SKILL BACK INTO PLAYER VS PLAYER.

Just wanted to throw a shout out to the GoM [ADHD] group. We had some solid
Fights last night. You guys are def a good challenge. We’ll be on the lookout.

Also to the [RH] small man that we fought at the south camp. Good go.

Aeolus.3615:

Jscull.2514:

This game is mechanically just like war hammer. Battle objective capping. Until there is a different set of abilities / armor only obtained via kills.. This game will promote only 20+ Zergs. Garbage.

Alliance batles from Factions with walls!

would be so great if the Mist were a “box” WvW map :P
Guilds could conquer zones in a map as larger as tyria, built pré-selected castles (where those castle/tower models could be unlocked via Guild research). gawd so many concepts could be viable :S ……

I don’t disagree that would be sweet. Biggest piece of the puzzle here is two things: kills being driving factor of wvw / and the maps being made bigger. Each faction could have a number limit on amount of castles/ forts/ towers/ camps they could build…. (and make it a small number ) and just have everyone else run around and fight…..

This game is mechanically just like war hammer. Battle objective capping. Until there is a different set of abilities / armor only obtained via kills.. This game will promote only 20+ Zergs. Garbage.

Gully.7358:

The culling fix hasn’t really changed much with how I look and play the game but like you we’ve been wondering about maybe dropping down a few tiers for many months. My personal opinion is that the higher up in tier you go the less skill is required.

It’s a tough choice too Boulder because I think we’re too good for the lower tiers as well. Just because you know how to handle 10+ with just 3-4 players.

It’s free. Just an FYI the lower tiers have more 5 man action. We run 5 every night. I know of 6-7 other guilds that run 5 in our tier as one above. Top tiers r just bigger Zergs. Ull never find small fivhts