Guild Wars 2

Going to be messaging all guilds interested and see what works for the majority of people. Keep you all posted.

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Why instead of just transferring everyone to a couple servers (which could backfire horribly), we don’t try working a bit on the tiers we got?

We could start by making a list of the guilds interested in this for each tier, and then pick a map for the whole week where all the roaming guilds would stay on. Yesterday for reset on BG BL, I know I saw at least 3 5-men groups from JQ roaming around, and 2 or 3 from BG and SoR.

Another thing I think we gotta work on, is trying to change the map mentality of “blob up”. I remember back on SBI, there would always be people on map chat asking “do we have any roaming groups going” or “LF 1 more for yak hit-squad”, stuff like that. Nowadays it’s all like “WE NEED EVERYONE ON THE MAP TO STACK GOGOGO”. So maybe if we start confronting that, and start asking a couple parties to organize and hit different objectives, we can improve the situation a bit.

Ideally, if we had more roaming parties organizing and hitting more objectives, major guilds would have to start to spread and each defend a different point, instead of having a single blob composed of multiple 30 person guilds.

I really don’t think that just trying to avoid the problem by running to a low tier would be the answer. Think about all that could go wrong. One of the servers could go up/down. You could end up with no so many players, and would basically just have to run around in empty maps killing solo PuGs. (this is basically what happened when me and a couple of guildies went to T8 for the free weekend). Then all that money in transfers were lost, and you’re in a worse situation than what you started.

Just my 2 cents, IMO we should try maybe a couple of weeks of actively trying to fix the issue on an actual combined effort between servers, before transferring to avoid it.

Being in t8 only one server will ever move at a time. We are going to have a system in place where every 5 man is held accountable for a certain amount of in game gold for the guilds on the server that moves. We are avoiding the zerg fights man. This is about small man competition.

T8 by the way is perfect for all you guys who were wondering if theres still people to fight. There is a 20-30 man same as everywhere else. The rest will be open for roaming teams.

Garull just get them to the first meeting. All people need to see is that we are serious about moving this tier to pvp platform for small mans.

Gully, we will be hosting a meeting via vent next week sometime (haven’t hashed out the details quite yet) with all the major players in the small man world. Our goal is get the majority of 5-10 mans on the same tier fighting each other every night.

There are a lot of concerns about moving being worth it. Understandably to a point. The main guilds heading this operation are no longer interested in fighting 30 with 5-10. It’s the same kiting fight Everytime. We are gearing towards 8 man days in Daoc. Groups hunting groups using an open world pvp zone to do so.

Details we will be hashing out will be how to fund xfers, how to fund the guilds from the server that changes from the tier back to the tier, how to deviate the guilds, how best to keep the fights (number wise similar) as to not slight advantages too greatly at all times.

Reason this was a non issue in Daoc was grp size was 8 and all buffs were group only. Unfortunately as we all know that is not the case here but the mentality and play style can be. This meeting is to get guys who get more adrenaline from fighting another grp their size after 10-20 minutes of hunting them and positioning their group for the fight that can last anywhere from 1 minute to 10 minutes.

We are about fighting players better than us, better than you. That is what we are shooting to create here. I will shoot you details of the meeting next week. Enjoy the weekend.

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Just pointing out that some of XOXO don’t all talk about kittens and playtime with teddy bears.

You know, I used to have some respect for you Jscull. But debasing a child’s most beloved toy as some sort of cheap insult… now that’s a new low. Good day to you sir -.-

You act like earning respect is wanted by us. By me even.
1. Not playing GW2 to make friends
2. Not playing GW2 to earn respect
3. Playing GW2 because it has an open 3 faction pvp system that we can KILL players

I don’t need respect to kill players.

@ Toble – All your effort and the only thing NSP has done in your “point / play to win world” looking from the outside is drop. Good commander’ing lol.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

You just openly said you play to win basically and chastised me as being a play to win person with a different type of “Win” goal

I didn’t leave the siege not because points were important, but I was having something called fun and making something called friends. You guys seem to be delusional that sieging and playing the game how Arenanet intended isn’t fun for us. Some people like all aspects of the game, not just adulterating one and complaining about its real intentions on forums.

Let him know even if he falls down, to check his messages and the offer still stands for SPVP since he got off seemingly immediately after said message. (+1 to dodge.)

And if you don’t need respect, why do you all try so hard to look good in front of your friends by challenging me on forums when they and I both know you all have had many situations where I was alone where Osif could have asked for that fight or let you friends fall back so we could have it.

You don’t think they haven’t noticed? You think the people who low-man with me haven’t noticed? You and Osif’s insecurities show on forums.

It’s like your obsessed with beating me, but wont actually go for it alone.

If you don’t make it in the next hour, I’m still down for the test of skill in SPVP even though my gear in SPVP is lesser and my arcana is nerfed.

I’m confident enough, are you?

Please explain where I “basically admitting wanting to win” in the post where I said I play to kill people?

As for your other Gaaaarbaaaaggeee, don’t really care. Intend on playing real pvpers or leaving GW2. No more patience for the zerging mentality. Just isn’t fun sorry.

I laughed so hard. Awesome dude.

I’m gonna paint this picture really clear for people kinda fuzzy about what our goal is.

Step 1 host a tier wide small man guild head voice chat meeting to get this rolling
Step 2- spread the guilds as evenly as possible throughout AN ENTIRE TIER (the goal gentlemen is to populate a tier with like minded people. That mindset being passing by a tower because taking it other than strategy of having a fall back fort, is literally pointless. Passing by the objectives looking for PLAYERS to fight. )

I understand clearly this is challenging for 95% of this games population to compute, but we are developing a player vs player platform. In all of YOUR terminology, abusing the current meta in order to enjoy open world pvp. This thread is not about points, towers, seige, commanders, NONE OF THAT GABAGE. We are talking about moving small man guilds to one tier (meaning all 3 servers) to fight each other rather than 40 man Zergs. Phew that was rough.

We’re in tier 7. The problem is NSP is a Zerging only community. Why else would we want out? Factually going to tier 8 will allow us to save in game gold for only one server of guilds moving up. Anywhere else, two could move in a week, or two weeks. That’s ALOT more gold and hassle.

Keep in mind fellas this is why we are hosting this meeting next week. To hash this crap out rather than typing to the forums. I will get together with accel from OINK and talentless from IQ and we will set a time and place. I will keep you all posted on the details of that event.

If we keep gathering guilds interested like we are, it won’t matter much. I think if we create a solid enough tier of pvp… And the fights are consistent and very intense and often, it wont matter. People will come. We just have to build it. May take some time, but it beats logging on to find the 40 man lawn mower like you said outside spawn and nothing else on the map.

Either way, t8 will be a better place to have our pvp system because 2 servers will never move at once.

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Just pointing out that some of XOXO don’t all talk about kittens and playtime with teddy bears.

You know, I used to have some respect for you Jscull. But debasing a child’s most beloved toy as some sort of cheap insult… now that’s a new low. Good day to you sir -.-

You act like earning respect is wanted by us. By me even.
1. Not playing GW2 to make friends
2. Not playing GW2 to earn respect
3. Playing GW2 because it has an open 3 faction pvp system that we can KILL players

I don’t need respect to kill players.

@ Toble – All your effort and the only thing NSP has done in your “point / play to win world” looking from the outside is drop. Good commander’ing lol.

Just pointing out that some of XOXO don’t all talk about kittens and playtime with teddy bears.

Just kidding Tobleh,

Some of XOXO actually talk like men.

Toble.2968:

osif.8673:

Toble.2968:

I would also be more inclined to listen to you if even one of your members could kill me in a 1v1.

Psh, I killed you while you had 57 other people around you and I was solo. Get outplayed more please.

http://youtu.be/0Iz8w-EPDYA

I don’t even have to Fraps videos of getting PAXA zerged and being called bad.

You can do my job and your job on forums just fine without me! Keeping this beautiful video for a while. Gorgeous.

It’s comical how what you write, and what XOXO people write are just about identical in tone and word choice…. Only you’re an actual chick lol.

Parthis.2091:

At the very least change it so that the cast for stomping is guaranteed to be shorter than the time it takes to res a downed player.

Fighting hard, doing everything right, just to see two people res someone faster than your stomp can cast is frankly pathetic.

So i’d like to see it changed so that players can only rally off players, and players in a downed state take longer to res. Watching 5 people pick up a downed player in less than a second is the perfect example of how broken this is. Compare time to kill to time to res.

Literally every mechanic in this game favours zerging at the moment.

And all the zergers are the people in this thread saying “heyyyyyyyu no problemmmm this system is perfect, YOU guys are the ones that are bad because you can’t get stomps off with your 8 people in the middle of 40. What’s wrong with you playyyy another game cmonnnn” lol Anet needs to give us a break. Some of us actually know how to play outside the realm of needing 15 around us.

naphack.9346:

Emerge.9640:

naphack.9346:

How about an entirely different proposal?
Bundle all those guilds and groups in the weakest of all servers and once this server reaches the top tier with guerilla tactics, the entire meta will have shifted.

Some people prefer PvP over PvDoor

Then you aren’t thinking it through enough. Other servers will want to win, too. It will take at most 2 weeks and they will realize, they can’t win with one big zergball, no matter what. There will always be 5 guys sitting in whatever they try to take, stalling with arrowcarts, while 10 havoc squads swarm the map, causing mayhem left and right. Their big zerg will still be able to take objectives but it will cost them lots of time to do so.
They will be forced to split up, if you just keep up with the small group tactics. At least in the lower tiers, dunno how it will turn out in t2 and especially t1.Let them have SMC, let them have their garrison and their EB keep, the rest will belong to the ones who can be at the most places at the same time.
If you guys don’t act like the PAXA guys and show at least a LITTLE bit thirst for ppt, you will force them to fight you on your terms or move up a tier easily, where you can hopefully force your opponents to split up.
I’m not saying you should play ONLY with groups of 5, I’m saying, the perfect server would probably be like 20-30 groups of 10 to 5 and one “siege buster” zerg(note, not one per map, one zerg of 40-50 for the entire server) which is just actively hunting down zergs.

The problem is, it’s easier to coordinate like 7 zergs than coordinating 30+ groups, that’s why everyone is zerging anyway, cause gamers are lazy. Without coordination between groups, such a system will fall apart.

This system we are talking about has ZERO POINTS at the forefront of our decision. Most of the guilds in line for this PVP tier aren’t interested in a single point.

Simply put for minds that are finding it difficult to understand: we are USING Anets platform of wvw to create a NEW player vs player open world platform. That means when a small man team leaves their spawn, number 1 priority is finding another 5 man to fight in open field combat. No one is going for points.

That is why we are making this happen you guys…

This isnt that challenging of a thought. We are going to get everyone thats interested’s info, get them OUR vent info,host a meeting….and all come to terms on how best to make this happen. I guess a good way to start doing that is by sending Talentless and myself a PM of your name so we can put you on a list for getting YOU the info for the meeting.

PAXA is a 5 man co-helpin with this operation….we are aware that people have “gold is an issue” here’s the interesting part about that. The word gets out that 8-15 guilds are participating in this tier….i think you would all find ways to get the gold to get there, if in fact the fights are what you are looking for. That is a non-argument excuse. We are willing to help anyone really interested in this tier. FYI for all of you as well, this actually happening so Talent and myself will be sending people messages to follow up.

Step 1 for getting YOUR guild to the “daoc like” Player vs Player tier is attending our initial voice chat meeting we are setting up.

Dyroth.5063:

I’d be in, just maybe not on my main account.

Who do you represent?

Gab Superstar.4059:

I don’t see AD / NoQQ / BSty moving anytime soon. Like Oozo said, we are very much interested in staying on the same server together, and the amount of organization a move would take between our three guilds is quite large.

AD isn’t a small 5-man guild who run together with the same 5 members every night either. Who is playing and when is very much dynamic rather than static. Some of us also have guilds outside of AD, using them as platforms for other types of content than what we normally do within the guild, and as such we have other obligations on Devona’s Rest.

I’m not at all the leader of AD but this is just how I see it.

If you choose to go forward with this idea then by all means I wish you good luck.

“Guys, we are moving to T8, these 7 other guilds specifically are helping us fund each players xfer. AD, Btsy, noQQ have been designated on agreed upon terms to move to this server in T8. They will be going against this server which has PAXA, KoM, and some other, And the third server will have OINK, AoN, and some other guild. It can be worked out faily easily. The official move is this such and such date. "

That is all we are talking about here. Were not uprooting your lives jeez lol. It is to have a consistent platform to fight each other on. Fighting zergs is the same no matter what tier, what server. IT SUCKS! We are talkin moving skilled teams to one place to challenge each other daily.

Simonoly.4352:

I like that you can revive defeated players. It means you can’t just systematically remove enemies one by one during large battles. If they are a force of 30 and you are a force of 10, you need to either rally more troops or find some other way to overcome the larger enemy force. You have to tackle groups of enemies as a whole instead of just bursting down each person in sequence.

Naffy.1493:

Issues.5789:

The only problem with downed state is how an elementalist can put pressure on people; even kill people in the process and mist form back into their tower; heal up, and rinse and repeat.

This 100%.

Apparently you can immobilise Eles when they use Vapour Form, but I’ve never been able to successfully do it myself. It’s the only part of the downed system that I find questionable as it undermines the risk factor attached to running out of a tower or keep when it is under siege.

What youre saying is a good team of players cannot kill people, and actually gain grown on the enemy in that fight. Thats bullcrap, and part of the reason this mechanic is the worst in mmo history.

Oozo, Accel, Talentless, Niim, Boulderbolg,

Would you guys be open to setting up a voice chat meet to discuss a possible tier setup? We need to get reps from all guilds interested.

While I completely understand hesitancy on all account here fellas, I also think that collectively we have the opportunity to make a tier into a “daoc-like” arena.

What are thoughts about setting up a Voice chat meeting with the heads of groups? Obviously we want as many leaders/people from 5 man guilds as possible so we can base it around the majorities schedules.

Ardon.4105:

I think the proposed idea would be to spread out the guilds in the interest of better fights rather than put them in one server for PPT. If thats the case, and the logistics can get sorted out, I think I know some people that would be interested in joining you.

Realize guys that we are talking about guilds fighting other guilds. I’m pretty sure most of us know we are NOT talking about points, tower takes, or camps…. Those are just objects sitting in our way. We are talking about creating an open hardcore player vs player environment.

I like oozo’s idea. T8 is prob easiest as far as the 1 moving serve because will only go one direction. I mean ooz, if we get our guys, KoM from Hod is the only other guild we run with, they would move if we got this together….we get the btsy guys (even tho Korean right?) and noQQ guys in vent along with OINK and whoever else wants a go at this and we hash out details. I’m serious about making this happen. It’s the ONLY tri-faction open system game out there. We need to stop spending our nights
Fighting 40 bad players… And start tactfully fighting 5-8 players regularily.

Thoughts?

This really is such an easy fix, but most of you will disagree because 95% of you I bet use this system to your advantage. But when downed, only out of combats can res anyone. Otherwise they have to res by them self. And if that means NO one can res the person downed because they are in the middle of the crap, then tough. That’s the point. Shouldn’t have to kill targets twice.

I agree with this statement Niim. I can tell you this, at this point PAXA is willing to help anyway we can to make this tier thing happen. Maybe we get a head count of all the 5 mans entering into this system and set up a voice chat meet. We discuss the best way to make this happen. I’m thinking each guild keeps a certain amount of in game gold on them at all times as a (sinking server pot) for those guilds that will need to hop servers to come back to the two that are not moving? Not a bad idea. Thoughts guys?

Nothing like dropping 6-7 and having a mosquito rally all of them. Gotta love that…….

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Toble.2968:

I would like to thank all the PAXA who came to my tea party outside of Bay yesterday.

:) We will do tea and crumpets again next time!

Thanks for the 27 dmg you hit Scarloc for and we were all saying just how impressed we were with your escapability. Keep up the good work lady

Hey, don’t be fooled, that 27 damage heals 5 people for 500 and has no cooldown. <3

That guardian of yours is a little slow on the not getting dodged all the time thing though. You might want to show him a thing or two about not using binding blade right off the bat. Just a friendly suggestion.

We’d probably be more inclined to listen to you if you could beat us with less than 10. Till then you’re kind of like that annoying brother that wants to play ball on the big boys field… It’s just not in the cards.

I would be more inclined to listen to you if I couldn’t run you out that far in a 5v1.

I would also be more inclined to listen to you if even one of your members could kill me in a 1v1.

You are kind of like that annoying big brother who brings all his friends and laughs at the little brother and says he ran into a doorknob to his friends the next day when he shows up with a black eye.

Now there is a metaphor for you. Practice a bit and maybe you guys will be able to kill me more often 5v1.

:) Get good. I’m out for now, lots of work to do today!

Tobleh, we don’t take any pride in killing 1 player. Especially one speced for getting away lol.

airstu.2579:

Its all good, PAXA has a master plan to join all the other roamers in a land of happy free roaming where no-one ever can count past 5. They will be missed…by our thread’s post count.

All the good players in this tier run inside Zergs. Sorry not our idea of fun. Yea well go wherever we can find fights that take actual thought. Not “Zerg tactics of awesome portal bombs and siege here and siege there” lol.

We’ve been in tier 7 against NSP for 2 months. I can honestly say as a hardcore driver for our 5 man you guys would NOT like it. When PAXA was on NSP there was 5-6 guilds ran under 10 everyday. We switched to fight those guilds, which have now molded into the Zerg. Trust a fellow small manner, where NSP is, it’s bad for small man business. I’m not trash talkin, just being honest. In fact, PAXA has been collectively talking about a change along with accel from OINK. I’m thinking we aim for the tier that has AD noQQ and Btsy as they are consistent. Tier 7 is NOT a small man haven anymore. If it was I would be inviting you guys here.

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Toble.2968:

I would like to thank all the PAXA who came to my tea party outside of Bay yesterday.

:) We will do tea and crumpets again next time!

Thanks for the 27 dmg you hit Scarloc for and we were all saying just how impressed we were with your escapability. Keep up the good work lady

Hey, don’t be fooled, that 27 damage heals 5 people for 500 and has no cooldown. <3

That guardian of yours is a little slow on the not getting dodged all the time thing though. You might want to show him a thing or two about not using binding blade right off the bat. Just a friendly suggestion.

We’d probably be more inclined to listen to you if you could beat us with less than 10. Till then you’re kind of like that annoying brother that wants to play ball on the big boys field… It’s just not in the cards.

This is failing because 99% of the players across all 8 tiers are casual zergers. They do the same thing everyday. Build siege group up, build seeing group up. There isn’t any real skillful fighting so people get bored because there isn’t an adrenaline rush from intense strategy in small scale fighting goin on. Big fights are easy, numbers wins. Tone down your numbers and start focusing on actually killing people and surviving… And it won’t fail. Otherwise, just donate to Camelot unchained.

Talent, I’m the GM of PAXA. We run 5-7 guys a night with the intention and purpose soley to kill players. We are interested. I’m already talking with leader of OINK and hopefully AD. Those guys are all solid. I think your head is in the right direction. Count PAXA in.

Toble.2968:

I would like to thank all the PAXA who came to my tea party outside of Bay yesterday.

:) We will do tea and crumpets again next time!

Thanks for the 27 dmg you hit Scarloc for and we were all saying just how impressed we were with your escapability. Keep up the good work lady

Shu.6981:

Jscull.2514:

Shu.6981:

everyone is so mean!

Mug what are you runnin?

secret

Not spec wise lol class?

Shu.6981:

everyone is so mean!

Mug what are you runnin?

It’s kind of like that scene in 300 when they take the initial blow of the persians and then their feet stop being pushed back and all of the sudden BAM offense time. Like asked for by Danknspank, watch at the end as XOXO comes and AJ’s us and their result follows.

Varconi.1804:

Jscull.2514:

dank.3680:

Jscull.2514:

moutzaheadin.4029:

Npac.3476:

See.

I posted a bonafide troll statement and you experts over at XOXO responded with:

1 of you got serious and mad, giving a small rant about a random 1 on 1 encounter I had the other day (which i can admit i ended up running from because i couldn’t beat you spin to win……..that is until you ran into our group with your “large group” of puggers and we smoked you) and the other got mad and said “carebear flakes” again. AGAIN

LIke come on people. If your gonna troll me then get serious. Either kitten or get out of the litter box.

I always wondered what it feels like to get owned by a girl? Send over jscull maybe that girl has a shot to beat me.

is that the only way XOXO will beat a group of PAXA is by playing the bullcrap numbers game just like everyone else.

lol. Cool story. I got one too. XOXO and PAXA had an impromptu 5v5 inbetween ruins and the bridge which had large amount of spectators from both servers for the fight. XOXO won without having a single player downed. Of course PAXA cried about how we only won because our group was Mesmers and Thieves. You would think with PAXA’s 10 years of expertise building “balanced groups” they could figure out how to beat a group with 5 “OP” classes ran by bad players.

Never have I denied losing that 5v5 to you guys. Hasn’t happened since. What has happened since is the increase in numbers taken to kill us. MoB and Os got it down, just like ALS did…. "it’s PAXA! Zerg em down boys! (and lady wtf?)

So with even numbers we beat you and you admit this but now claim that we zerg you down because we lack the skill to fight even numbers? Am I missing something here?

Let me lay it out there for ya big fella, an XOXO 5 man (4 mesmers and a theif) fought us for 15 minutes on the island. You beat us. Hats off. H a s N o t H a p p e n e d since. If you want us to repost the video we have of 6 PAXA taking on upwards of 15 and being AJed by an XOXO group and downing you after as well we can do that. It’s amazing how all these people come out of the woodworks with pictures and stories of you trolls running into “backup” Zergs and towers to avoid actually fighting…. Like a good friend of mine once said, “you can stick with My little pony”.

Skarloc.2569:

dank.3680:

K, press 2 harder bro.. Btw I kitten on you with a warrior I’d been playing for 2 days, you refuged at 15% while I was 100 and I decided it wasn’t worth my time anymore and walked away.. But everytime I encountered you in group play my combat log said “heartseeker x 4 or 5”. So keep talkin bout skillz.

Btw when we were Envy, Skarllok and Sheefu were always the ones hanging in the back while the rest of us fought, also coincidentally usually the first to die, especially Sheefu. You know where Skarllok’s hate came from? Because he was being a kitten talking crap behind my back and the whole guild disbanded over it – without my encouragement btw.

Oh, this is cute. Hanging out in the back while the rest of you fought? Would this be while you were dueling out in EB, or the times when you never grouped with us? You wouldn’t really know about many of the groups we had in Envy as your primary role in the guild was to cry about things that bothered you, criticize anyone in the guild for their build, and to let everyone know how you “kitten on” terrible players.

Let’s not forget that you weren’t in Envy that long, and had already been kicked out of the guild once before. I don’t want to say the vote was unanimous, but it was pretty laughable what people had to say about you when it happened. That’s when your illustrious DOWN guild started. I love how you try to play nice here when it’s funny what you used to say back in those days. I’m guessing people can change, but I never bought this act.

Envy broke up because it stopped being a guild long ago. Most of the guild was just a collection of good players with a heavy dueling background who happened to share the same tag. Most of the people couldn’t, or wouldn’t, get in voice chat and half the people had no clue how to mark targets and assist. The guild officially broke up when I was on vacation for a number of weeks, so your facts on who was talking crap was a bit wrong on that one. It wasn’t me, but I’ll go ahead and shoulder that, I could care less.

You bring nothing to the table Dank, and you never have. You’re a glorified dueler who thinks more of himself than anyone else you come across. You can say all you want about how I play, but I let what happens in the game do mine. You’re just another sheeple who hides at the first sign of trouble. Oh, but you like to duel, so I guess that changes things. And given what we’ve come across in XOXO lately, you really shouldn’t be saying anything. But then again, you guys are clearly not a small-man group. But you’ve been rather upfront with how you like to zerg now, so power to you.

Fortunately, the Internet is a lot like a tower, it’s pretty easy to hide behind, so I can see how you excel with these baseless claims.

Take care, Dank!

“man the cannons XOXO it’s PAXA! We don’t have enough here…..yet! "

moutzaheadin.4029:

Npac.3476:

See.

I posted a bonafide troll statement and you experts over at XOXO responded with:

1 of you got serious and mad, giving a small rant about a random 1 on 1 encounter I had the other day (which i can admit i ended up running from because i couldn’t beat you spin to win……..that is until you ran into our group with your “large group” of puggers and we smoked you) and the other got mad and said “carebear flakes” again. AGAIN

LIke come on people. If your gonna troll me then get serious. Either kitten or get out of the litter box.

I always wondered what it feels like to get owned by a girl? Send over jscull maybe that girl has a shot to beat me.

Best part about all of you other than on a daily basis being able to hear in vent what awesome people you all are, is that the only way XOXO will beat a group of PAXA is by playing the bullcrap numbers game just like everyone else. So buy a ticket and get in line with the rest of your server. Everyone’s doing it.

dank.3680:

Npac.3476:

@XOXO

Here is my issue with to guys….and I really think you should consider this carefully.

You see, I think it is quite clear that you guys love to troll and honestly I really don’t care about “trolling” on people/on the forums. After all, it is a game and making fun of other people is just part of the package. That being said however, my main problem with yinz is that you don’t actually have the qualifications to be a really good troll.

To better explain, let’s examine probably the best troll i ever knew: Tievospy.

That guy in my opinion was (and still is) the best troll that ever lived for many reasons. To begin, he generally wrote hilarious posts on the forums that cleverly called out bad play and generally made every post a joy to decipher/read (a few times he even wrote song lyrics to troll someone) Also, he never kept to the same theme in his posts and really seemed to strive for creativity in every trolling.

However, the thing in my mind that really cemented tievo as The Lord of trolls is that he actually backed up his jibes by beating his “trollies” countless times…literally proving the bad play he trolled about. Sure, he would jump up and down and troll around the field for awhile…and even send troll pms to people. BUT (and this is the important part) he would then go and actually kill the people he was trolling…thereby (in my mind) giving him the right to troll them. I have seen tievo troll groups of players (mine included) and actually fight/kill members of the party…something I think a real troll should be capable of doing.

Anyway, moving back to you guys…it seems to me that while you guys undoubtly love to troll on the forums, you really don’t seem to back up your comments with any sort of player/“troll” skill. Instead of getting creative with your posts, it’s always “ima carebear” or “hugs and kisses babe” (aka no creativity). And while you guys definitely /cry and jump around alot out in the field, you rarely actually attack/fight and usually just spend your time back peddling ur clones out (not to mention your recent affiliation with zergs and keep cannons)

In summation, if your gonna troll then make sure you earn the right to do it because from where im sitting it doesn’t seem like you posses the testicular fortitude to back up your trolling ways.

K, press 2 harder bro.. Btw I kitten on you with a warrior I’d been playing for 2 days, you refuged at 15% while I was 100 and I decided it wasn’t worth my time anymore and walked away.. But everytime I encountered you in group play my combat log said “heartseeker x 4 or 5”. So keep talkin bout skillz.

Btw when we were Envy, Skarllok and Sheefu were always the ones hanging in the back while the rest of us fought, also coincidentally usually the first to die, especially Sheefu. You know where Skarllok’s hate came from? Because he was being a kitten talking crap behind my back and the whole guild disbanded over it – without my encouragement btw.

Tell us how you really feel about Skarloc ?

Varconi.1804:

Jscull.2514:

Nausicca.6038:

Skarloc.2569:

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Oh god…

You can say whatever you want, you’re still hidding in your group to win a 5v1.

Have a nice day ~

I wasn’t going to say anymore but you, moutza, and dank never stop trolling/lying to save face.

Troll zerglets. You all are. Look at your guild name??? Anyone with real solid gaming background knows what kind of players and now because of the forums the kind of people you are. “PAXA balsak hangers?” [KoM] guys are killing more players, surviving more ridiculous outnumbered fights, and pound for pound would womp on “love ya” WITHOUT using a dodge roll dodge roll clone clone clone class….. They’re stand up players using combinations of built classes and skill to fight the same thing you guys fight. Except, they kill more, and don’t use the XOXO Mesmer build all 15 of you use.

4 ports group stealth ect ect ect…. Play real classes that require more than a “break stun and port 404948574 miles away” get some fair fights under your belt, won using real talent, and then people will recognize you more for being solid players, than what you have demonstrated here.

Too funny since none of our mesmers use the same build and currently most of us are not playing our mesmers.

At least you are realizing playing bunker “get away at all cost” builds aren’t that rewarding when you can’t actually kill anyone, you just dodge roll dodge roll port port port until their bored or get run over by a Zerg.

Nausicca.6038:

Skarloc.2569:

wall of text (again)

Oh god…

You can say whatever you want, you’re still hidding in your group to win a 5v1.

Have a nice day ~

I wasn’t going to say anymore but you, moutza, and dank never stop trolling/lying to save face.

Troll zerglets. You all are. Look at your guild name??? Anyone with real solid gaming background knows what kind of players and now because of the forums the kind of people you are. “PAXA balsak hangers?” [KoM] guys are killing more players, surviving more ridiculous outnumbered fights, and pound for pound would womp on “love ya” WITHOUT using a dodge roll dodge roll clone clone clone class….. They’re stand up players using combinations of built classes and skill to fight the same thing you guys fight. Except, they kill more, and don’t use the XOXO Mesmer build all 15 of you use.

4 ports group stealth ect ect ect…. Play real classes that require more than a “break stun and port 404948574 miles away” get some fair fights under your belt, won using real talent, and then people will recognize you more for being solid players, than what you have demonstrated here.

I guess as a guild of like 7-8 actual current players we just expect more out of players we know are decent/great. We’re competitive guys, we have gaming experience, and sitting around using 20 other people as a buffer would make all 7-8 of us log in 4 and 1/2 minutes. It just isn’t rewarding when you win this way.

We know a lot of you forum people aren’t bad players, just have this crazy thought of you guys actually exerting a little energy to fight in challenging Scenarios rather than always reverting to ez mode. Guaranteeing wins is what people brand new to gaming wait for and shoot for. I have a hard time (obviously) wrapping my head around watching players i know, who are probably better than i am, waiting to guarentee a win against us. For this thought I along with a couple other PAXA members are called crazy.

Tier 7 is 100% zergs. IF you don’t find a group of 3, you find 10 -40 only. It is brutal.

My next question is what tier do you guys know of having serious competitive small man guilds that use alot of coordination and team work in fights? And I dont mean with keep/tower takes i mean player vs player fights?

Toble.2968:

Npac.3476:

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

mugen.4763:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZftV7jEvs

Enjoy

So I have an honest question. Are there two different [KING] guilds ? We had a PAXA vs a [KING] 6 man fight at the north camp on one of the borderlands that lasted about 3 minutes that was really fun. Those guys had their heads in the right place. I watch this video and see a thousand golems pvdoorin… I’m assuming it’s not the same guys?

There is a possibility that the guild doesn’t define how good it’s individual players play in small man groups even if they zerg and PVdoor.

It is possible, right Zelrin? : *

Hey Tob-leh. What are you talking about? Like honestly I don’t get the reference?

(Not trying to be rude…just don’t know why u said my name?)

Ah, nothin’, just the other night.

You, me, the bridge in front of Greenbriar… It was so romantic until you ran back to your friends there. I just wanted a hug is all.

Our second and third dates didn’t go much better unfortunately.

Maybe we should try going out to a different restaurant this time?

We’ll just chalk you off as a zerger. Nbd. Realize we will never have fun Zerging, and you will never run consistantly with anything under 10. It is what it is. Not comparable really at the end of the day.

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Nausicca.6038:

Lol @ PAXA. Can’t wait for our next 5v5.

Would love to. Too bad 99% all the “NSP 5/small mans” now just simply run in 15 +.

Including PAXA.

I fix’teded it for you.

:)

You’re out of your mind lol. When we were on NSP there were 5-6 guilds a night I could name that ran under 10 an some of those under 5-6.
To their credit SPCA runs small most of the time.
But the rest, by the wayside.

Plus, interesting coming from you, who doesn’t even come close.

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

mugen.4763:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZftV7jEvs

Enjoy

So I have an honest question. Are there two different [KING] guilds ? We had a PAXA vs a [KING] 6 man fight at the north camp on one of the borderlands that lasted about 3 minutes that was really fun. Those guys had their heads in the right place. I watch this video and see a thousand golems pvdoorin… I’m assuming it’s not the same guys?

There is a possibility that the guild doesn’t define how good it’s individual players play in small man groups even if they zerg and PVdoor.

It is possible, right Zelrin? : *

If you are referring to yourself Miss Toble we wouldn’t know.

Aeonblade.8709:

Jscull.2514:

I don’t think it’s a terrible idea… I would probably participate but I’d rather have 3
Faction teams appoint each other. And group specific sizes.

Ideally rather just have more people want to focus on beating other players
Via killing them / deathmatch rather than fight over some keep. Objectives ruin player vs player.

I can understand this attitude, but I have to disagree entirely, without objectives, PvP is little more than PvE to me, people just jump around more than monsters.

There is zero adrenaline from killing mobs. Killing guys as good or better than you is much more gratifying and pumps the blood a litttttttle bit more man.