Guild Wars 2

Boulderbolg.3460:

Jscull.2514:

Boulderbolg.3460:

chrisk.4320:

Yo OP, it works both ways. You can now see the zerg from a far distance. Oh hey? What’s that I see in the distance? Is that you Mr. Zerg? I guess I won’t go that way!

Scouting 101.

That is entirely my point. Everyone keeps saying that they can see the zergs now, and that is great and all, but we would be joking ourselves to say that culling did not work in our favor as well. My experience last night was basically running away from zergs nearly the entire time. The organized zergs weren’t much of a problem, but the mindless ones of 30-40 people would chase us in big loops around the mountains of North Hills! This is what I meant by how will your tactics/builds change to avoid getting zerged now that the zerg can actually see you.

don’t get me wrong our 5 man kited some major Zerg action. Don’t complain about it of you are on a higher tier. Move down. We fight in t7 t6 due to more 5 man action and smaller (relatively) Zergs. I’ve invited you guys numerous times to join our tier to 5 man all the time. If you’re going to stay upper, deal with 70 mans.

The invitation is great appreciated, don’t get me wrong. Our problem with the lower tiers is that we have players with a wide range of timezones. There were two reasons we left Yaks Bend: 1. Our late night players couldn’t find enough action, and 2. More and more we felt the need to concentrate on the meta game rather than just let someone else worry about taking towers leaving us to being able to just skirmish.

How is Tier 2 going for small guilds?

PAXA only cares about skirmishes. All 5 of us log on only to kill people. If you are concerned for a second about the games “meta” then yea you’re probably in the right place.

Boulderbolg.3460:

chrisk.4320:

Yo OP, it works both ways. You can now see the zerg from a far distance. Oh hey? What’s that I see in the distance? Is that you Mr. Zerg? I guess I won’t go that way!

Scouting 101.

That is entirely my point. Everyone keeps saying that they can see the zergs now, and that is great and all, but we would be joking ourselves to say that culling did not work in our favor as well. My experience last night was basically running away from zergs nearly the entire time. The organized zergs weren’t much of a problem, but the mindless ones of 30-40 people would chase us in big loops around the mountains of North Hills! This is what I meant by how will your tactics/builds change to avoid getting zerged now that the zerg can actually see you.

don’t get me wrong our 5 man kited some major Zerg action. Don’t complain about it of you are on a higher tier. Move down. We fight in t7 t6 due to more 5 man action and smaller (relatively) Zergs. I’ve invited you guys numerous times to join our tier to 5 man all the time. If you’re going to stay upper, deal with 70 mans.

Niim.9260:

There is no doubt that the culling change has helped small groups a lot, being able to see exactly what you are up against quickly and without having to wait is crucial for making quick decisions.

We have always been heavy on kiting so no change for us in this regards, we can now make better decisions on when and how to kite now. Our view has always been that if a giant zerg of 50 people wants to spend 10 mins chasing us across the map, we were as effective in helping our team as outright killing them.

The WXP system could have really helped create and incentive for small groups to run and perhaps we would have seen a reduction in zerging,. Instead we have seen a huge increase in zerging as a result of the horribly implemented system and frankly who cares about any of those worthless abilities? I have no plans to spend my points.

No one on our team is spending a single point. Anet doensnt want specific class abilities because people will quit the game due to “unbalancing” when good players figure them out faster than the majority does.

“channel strong Bad’s essence” are you writing a dissertation? What exactly by this do you mean sir?

styx.7294:

Sororita.3465:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Npac.3476:

We challenged all of you.

As long as “all of you” is specifically 5 players. no more, no less.

and NOT scheduled*

*except when they schedule it.

Honestly, PAXA is like a high maintenance girlfriend. She even comes on the forums to tell everyone how inadequate we are =(

Just don’t text her on Friday night when she’s out with her girlfriends until about 9 pm and then be ready to go pick her up from the bar at 11. Sat morning be ready to meet her parents for breakfast and then go to the movies with her after at about 3 pm. That’s all it takes to keep her.

Slamz.5376:

Note that prior to the culling fix, this happened:

• Small roaming group sees small roaming group
• They attack
• The second small roaming group was actually 85 people; you just only saw 6 of them.
• Actual small roaming group dies and goes “wtf”

So being able to realize it’s a zerg and run away without engaging is a serious improvement.

2 things: 1. I’ll speak for our 5 man SECONDED! This is exactly accurate.

2. Our 5 man ran last night and was very successful. Culling change made us all realize we have lost 30-40% of our fights in the past 3 months due 100% directly to enemies failing to appear.

I think we all have to be a bit patient while the morons “content” carebears try out the newer pvp system. Once the hype dies down the inflation will ease back to normal. The biggest differences are thieves have now been exposed for the most part of what they are…. kitten players exploiting a bad loading system; and good 5 mans can gage scenarios better now of when to push and when to pull.

Funny part is all you people bashing these guys have probably been Rick rolled by people like these guys in similar fashion. No one ever admits that kind of stuff hahahaha laughing for days

airstu.2579:

Jscull.2514:

something something
C A R E B E A R S.

Everyone who comes from the gaming community before carebear nation was created cares. Back when dying mattered, skill was the only way to win, and keeps we’re just strategical landmarks not point driven.

Clearly before your time

Ragnarok.4586:

Jscull.2514:

[Bs] [DN] send me a pm if you get a chance. Like to be able to fight (non carebear set up) without 400 adds.

No thanks dude, you guys are quite annoying to fight. Bunker warrior guardian for CC + a DPS thief in perma stealth.

We don’t set up 1on1 matches. We aren’t about our “image” or “pride”. We WvW to have fun, and frankly, facing you isn’t very fun. Last time I went 3on3 with you guys it lasted about 10-15 mins with no results, until more of my guildies came and your thief just picked us off one by one while when you got low on health you just ran back into your spawn.

Again, no thanks. We’ll fight when we randomly run into you, just like everyone else.

So basically you didn’t like losing. Got it. By the way, find me the bunker spec for warrior that is group spec and let me know. All PAXA members run group specs, our guardian runs buff condition removal… How dumb do you sound saying he is bunker. 3 of us beat your 6… Sorry were not sorry

Edit: My intention was never to take the above approach. In fact wanted to compliment you guys on being some of the most competent well organized group we’ve fought in a while. But then you decide to take the approach you did at the same time xomplaining we run bunker builds which non of us run. Thus my response.

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

[Os] sends 5, got absolutely smoked. Sends 20 to compensate!

Pics plz.

All I saw was Dead Paxa

Yea after you rallied 20 to come find us. You’re garbage in combat lol. Including your bunker warrior and guardian tandem “Spinny spinny spinny” just like ALS.

Pics? All I have is a fraps of us rolling over your dead bodies with the 30 people we killed you and TCMM’s golem rush with.

We are so bad for playing WvW like WvW is supposed to be played.

No you are bad because you run around with 30 to ensure killing a 5 man and ensure taking a tower that requires 6 people to take. You guys use 30 so you don’t wipe on something that at most needs 5-6 lol.

(and Toble for your comeback of “it’s defended so we need that many”…. Just take the 5-6 required players to take a tower to a different tower. Problem solved)

Blue Dorito’s… Cool ranch even, you guys sure have earned them.

kazi.6438:

PAXA, can you please stop posting? I swear, every NSP thread is just a string of posts about how great you think you are. You literally start a flame war EVERY WEEK (be it with GOAT, ALS, or Os). Honestly, this is getting really old.

No one cares, PAXA. No one cares how good you are. Now please stop posting.
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Now, in an attempt to get this thread back on track, I really enjoyed the fighting around SM today. It was literally changing hands between all three servers about every ten minutes until NSP managed to get a cannon upgrade in. I think during the first NSP attempt, GoM and NSP hit lord room at exactly the same time (GoM won and we lost 5 golems). Props go to MoB/TFG/ZoS and everyone else for finally taking and holding it in the end.

Last I saw, HoD was still in the lead by about 3k points, and NSP/GoM were tied. I’m impressed with how close the match has been this week.

What I’m gathering is that youre mad the thread is about players fighting players in the open world pvp zone instead of thanking each other high fiving each other for defending wooden doors and being “annoying with golem rushes” and scoreboard updates scoreboard updates scoreboard updates……

Toble.2968:

Jscull.2514:

[Os] sends 5, got absolutely smoked. Sends 20 to compensate!

Pics plz.

All I saw was Dead Paxa

Yea after you rallied 20 to come find us. You’re garbage in combat lol. Including your bunker warrior and guardian tandem “Spinny spinny spinny” just like ALS.

[Bs] [DN] send me a pm if you get a chance. Like to be able to fight (non carebear set up) without 400 adds.

[Os] sends 5, got absolutely smoked. Sends 20 to compensate!

Stop with carebear abilities…Give us class specific abilities and let people figure out (or not) how best to use them with the people they run with. Stop promoting easy game modes.

Haldunius.7864:

Here’s a video from our crew on FA. It’s about 10 or 12 guys against 30 to 40 TC (there are so many they are constantly culling in and out). You think we clear them at the 1:11 second mark….but you see our commander turns around and that was only a quarter of them. We Won…is that interesting or still too large scale?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiIJusLZ4_s

I mean there have been nights where we grouped with sister guild/ally guild (who also run 5 guys) and stomped 30-40….Yea it’s interesting but every night just becomes zerg busting. I’d rather fight 5 guys who are smart and coordinated than 30-40 idiots with 6-7 guys who have actually pvped before in the crowd.

Oozo.7856:

Jscull.2514:

Dark send them all a message and thank them for sticking around for the screen shot. I love it also whenever we kill over 5-10 with our 5 when people stick around to see it wasn’t 20 that rick rolled em, not even more than, that’s right……just 5.

They stick around a lot because they think their numbers will win and then rez them, but they don’t realize that their numbers are dead.

Kind of like blue dorito commanders designating pre-fights who are to be zerg ressers…..LOL!! How do you get that job?

“Ok I have the blue dorito….listen up….You, you, you, and you….when you see anyone downed…..you guys res.”
“Res downed players….got it. Thanks for the responsibility blue dorito, sir.”

Cheers to the guys that run in the 2-3 mans. But I cannot for the life of me realize why people post videos of 10 mans, facing other 10-20 zergs and call it “small scale roaming”? As one of my guys said, "Group size is 5, AoE ca kitten , buff/condition removal ca kitten , it takes about 5 guys with supply to build any siege…. 2 questions for you all…
1. Why when this thread asks for small roaming videos do people throw up videos of zerg fighting with 10+?
2. How is fighting with 10 people a challenge at all unless you are facing 40? (Which then is so far out of the “small scale roaming” realm its silly)

Of the 8 videos I viewed, I saw one of an actual 5 man put up by “Tricare.2946” (zero other teal adds) taking on double their number and putting up a solid effort and getting stomps…..how few is the number of people left in gw2 that want to rely souly on 4 other guys to win whatever they come across?

Dark send them all a message and thank them for sticking around for the screen shot. I love it also whenever we kill over 5-10 with our 5 when people stick around to see it wasn’t 20 that rick rolled em, not even more than, that’s right……just 5.

“WvW players shouldn’t be subject to “elite” players killing them. No one wants to deal with some coordinated 5 man guild coming in and steamrolling the zerg"

Signed……..C A R E B E A R nation!

airstu.2579:

Well, this thread has already reached the no one cares point by Monday. Retired trolling, past flashbacks to long lost success and small team syndrome. If it wasn’t for Muddy’s post (now buried on page 2) and a couple of other comments there would be nothing even remotely relevant here. GG.

Whose got the small team syndrome? Those are the kind of guys we want to fight!??

Dark Omens.5768:

Paradopx.3804:

Hey dark don’t worry about these haters, it’s fun to slam the scrubs out of existence. I’m just hoping that the new system will allow people to see which one of the 80’s are bads from the get go. There is plenty of 80s that are just complete trash, following around commander icons, fighting only when it is uneven numbers, and most if not all of them think “man, i’m good”, so don’t let these haters hate. You were laughing at a good moment, not bragging that you were the best right? I mean you even kept it short and sweet with ‘good time’ LOL. http://www.youtube.com/user/glant2005?feature=mhee is my youtube channel check out my gw2 vids, i plan on finally coming back after my long break to wreck some tier 1. Finally some patch love coming this way, funny screens +)

Agreed…. haters gonna hate…. no one here could have made that wipe and not laughed about it. If u take offense to that idk what to really tell ya.

First thing, I died laughing because as a 5 man we see this (only less uplevels and thats not a shot at you) everynight. This kind of screenshot just makes me die laughing.

Second, the best is the guy saying “Dont scare away people from wvw” LOLOLOLOL if you are bad or new, you have 2 options:
1. Quit
2. Learn to get better

Pick one. It isnt (in this case) the [TAC] guy’s fault they smoked a bunch of kitten players lol…..Those terribads simply shouldn’t have been standing there.

Rob.7624:

Harbinger.9645:

We should coordinate a day (once culling is fixed) where we all get together our large zergs and have some big open world battles. Forget about points for a while and just duke it out with some large armies. Probably not possible but it would be a fun day.

We did that with Borlis Pass.
They brought numbers but were uplvled.
NSP rolled them couple of times.

NSP Bird Song Vs Bloodthor BP

If its to be done. We’ll get a time drawn up for one in EB.

-Attached is me standing in the middle of the two forces.
BP used a vanguard while NSP just balled and rolled.

I love that you guys have to set a date to fight other players when everyday they are all around you…. We set dates too. The dates seem to coincide every single time we log-in the game, but we do set dates.

Rob.7624:

Sororita.3465:

What do you mean Rob, every Englishman speaks a 2nd language.

WHAT…DO….YOU….MEAN…ROB…/nodding of head….EVERY….ENG-LISH-MAN…SPEAKS..A …SECOND-O..LANGUAGE-O.

Oh yes I see now.
I suppose you do speak english and the american english.
Thats clearly two languages.

No no no Robert, it’s not “American English” it’s just American.

Jace.6973:

I really enjoyed it as well, hope everyone else enjoyed it as well I have some clips I can upload to youtube tomorrow

I know you guys understand we came in stealthed and dropped the A-bomb on your carebear line, but my personal favorite part was you. You personally took zero% dmg of the initial burst, came bumbling over with your “chrome” legendary when the fight turned from surprise to all out battle, and the 4 of us made sure you got stomped twice in the middle of chaos. Better work on that bunker!

Ok guys, great fight club.. Thanks for all your participation!

What you guys don’t get (I’m speaking Chinese to most of you obviously) is that before the new pvp “call of duty” style of die respawn die respawn die respawn, there were massive consequences for deaths. If you haven’t noticed we don’t like dying. You laugh cuz we run to more advantageous fighting ground and end up usually getting 5-10 kills of people that mindlessly chase us. Keep in mind the reason we originally fell back was like SARS said, you guys run in 20 to take one objective at a time.

Most of you can’t even comprehend the things I write about because you don’t have the experience to know what I’m talking about even looks like. I won’t fault you for lack of experience, but trying to tell me that pvdoor and taking objectives with 20+ people is hard is absolutely ludicrous. It’s not hard at all. Organizing people can be challenging, I get that, but it’s not hard to do. It just simply isn’t hard to do that’s why I said a 10 year old could do it…. Because they literally can.

Keiel.7489:

Jscull.2514:

Keiel.7489:

First off I said it’s a casual game, not a casual PvP game. The game has multiple aspect to it WvW being one of them. WvW is not even open world PvP, nothing even close. Just a large battle ground with larger player limits and a much longer timer.

You and very few others try to play it your way, by making a gank squad. And by all means its great for you, and occasionally I also “roam” but that isn’t the play style that wins the battle. You specialize in small group tactics and bash on large group play and even solo play. You can try and say you do it for the challenge if you want, but at the end of the day you still prey on unexpecting groups for the win pushing no limit to your character. Beating out others who’s mindset is to get to a objective to support the vast majority while yours is to hunt and kill doesn’t make you skillful just as a build for solo play beating out a build for Zerg play.

Beef between Os and PAXA? I don’t really care to each his own as paid said. Just like you don’t like our members complaining about you guys ruining our fight club, the vast majority of the players don’t really want to hear about you kittening abot their Zerg fights.

Sorry not many people enjoy your idea of what skillful play is. But try and wrap your mind around this, most people join medium to large WvW guild to WvW in medium to large sizes. People who join over guilds do it so they can pve. And guess what kind of guilds people who wants to spvp join?

This is how GW2 is, sorry it took you months to figure it out, let me know when you guys find that perfect game for your style, but this one is definitely not it.

We go after the groups of 10+ A because there is no one else to fight, and B because the fact that 98% of the people’s mindsets today in pvp mmo’s is to capture an impossibly easy keep door and tower mobs. We go after them because it couldn’t be more backwards from what PVP means. Don’t call it World vs World, call it capture points R us. The fact that it is satisfying to you guys just makes us want to smoke you even more. Enjoy your keep wood.

What you go up against when you have smaller numbers is your deal, not anyone else’s fault. You put yourself in that position. It’s not in just “today’s” MMO that take and hold, siege has taken priority, I don’t know which MMOs you have played but before points were capturable guilds in PvP games have “claim” areas as their own and went around to protect/PK, raids were self set up to attack people.

What WvW has provided is the same, enemy players take and hold keeps and defend it, certain server those guilds take and claim their tower. You can o the same, you guys chose to roam. In fact the only ones who PvE in WvW to just PvE are you guys who take camps and smaller objectives to provoke an attack, but in the end you guys just leave it before anyone can respond. If we get to a tower we need to take and no one is there, what else are we going to do? move on and until we find one that is defended? do you guys leave camps when you show up with no defenders? I didn’t think so.

“The fact that it is satisfying to you guys just makes us want to smoke you even more. Enjoy your keep wood.”

You can want all you want, but here’s the fact, 98% of the time you run into larger numbers and you get smashed, shine your little collection of win trophy for your surprise attacks when the zerg has its back to you when sieging. But most of the time we just roll you guys and you just end up back at spawn or the safety of another pve keep. You aren’t trying to show skillful play, you just like to gank. As for comment of 10 year olds can do any of this, well you are right, most of the time its the kids who has the most time to play and practice. You know with no work or responsibilities its pretty easy to get together with your 4 friends and gank noobs all day.

This is why me and the other (non osif) members laugh at [Os]…. Uneducated responses. Player vs player started as hardcore modes and because most people didn’t take the time to get better at it and WoW allowed for complaining to change the game to easy mode we are left with “run around and take wooden doors down”. We take camps for two reasons… To build stacks, and to hopefully show some small man on the map the area we are roaming to search for a fight. Sorry dude fighting keep guards and pushing a button to build up a treb or ram doesn’t make me feel accomplished.
Sorry but your argument for why taking keep doors down flipping objectives is more challenging than fighting human response times and skill is just silly. Again “enjoy your keep wood”

Try not to tell me about my life’s responsibilities as you have no idea.

Harbinger.9645:

There’s value in both styles of game play…why are we all arguing about this?

I agree. My only complaint is that both do not happen. Only mindless “this what wvw means” happens. It’s just dumbfounding how we can’t come across out of hundreds Even thousands of players anyone else on a daily basis that want the challenge of a solid small man team…

Rob.7624:

Jscull.2514:

How does rob not stand for Robert lol?

Think upon yourself.
What is my native language.

And secondly.
Even in english. Rob is nickname for quite a few other names.

Potatoes nowadays.

Sorry in Chicago all 7 million of us seem to have the understanding Rob stands for Robert lol…. Sometimes robin. What else does it stand for in Ireland?

Rob.7624:

Jscull.2514:

That started as a 2v2 on north part of the island with some [Os] commander (which we knew there wasn’t a snowballs chance in hell it would stay that way). Then the waterfall began. 2 more [Os] champions showed up making it a 2v4. We still were fine. Got a stomp on one. Then 1 more added. Still pretty solid on our end. Finally the flood gates broke and what started as a 2v2 which was a decent fight but a victory for us, became a 2v4 tougher fight but still got a stomp off and would have won, then became a 2v [Os] commander Dorito and family. Wouldn’t expect anything different.

Yeh man, I know the feeling.
I was having this 1vs1 with a PAXA member.
It was a pretty even fight, since I’m pure tank and he was just DPS stealth. So he kept kiting, I kept healing. You know, a good fair fight.
And then all of a sudden 5 more PAXA perma stealth thieves just drop ontop of me. They just start tearing into me and completely ignore the nice 1vs1 I was having.

But thats cool, you know, my builds designed to fight zergs so. I took on 5 of them, and then about 30seconds later, 5 more PAXA arrived with a various assortment of different builds,
They were really bad though, they kept doing the /laugh emotes and such instead of fighting, I think they were confused in how the game works, but I dunno.
So I’m just standing there, in my bubble thinking, I’m so glad PAXA like to solo roam. They’re so good.

When all of a sudden 50,000 more PAXA just appeared. And you know, because I really good, I just solo’d them all. Like Jscull I think you were one of them. I dunno, ugly human ranger with peasant armour? Yeh. Must have been you.

So after I killed everyone, because as I stated previously, I’m awesome, I flicked on my commander tag and took the entire of WvW.
Sorry did no one notice?
Oh.
Well.

I’d have evidence, but unfortunately arenanet don’t like 3rd party programs. So er. I could only take this screenshot of me fighting all the people.

All those times when PAXA have accused me of zerging is actually just been me, kicking down tower doors while holding back hordes upon hordes of enemies.

References:
Myself, real life account

How does rob not stand for Robert lol?

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Jscull.2514:

JKFlipFlop.7123:

We’re not disagreeing with you Nausicca. Every PAXA post thus far has been condemning players that follow commanders and take objectives though. They seem to be of the opinion that servers do not have scores and that the only objective in WvW is killing players.

Because people get (Im going to spell it wrong on purpose so you see the word choice im using) buttzzzzhurtzzzz in this game when I speak for “PAXA” I will make sure I use the word I instead of we….I have these opinions because the server score means jack kitten. You win, you move up to the bottom of another meaningless tier’s score. Maybe more people? Maybe a couple better fights? Not really. You stay in months and months with same tier? Score means physically nothing. You’re fighting for meaningless points that hold ZERO merit. Top tier bragging rights? WRONG, top tiers have 80+ man zergs……how does that make them a better, tougher tier? It doesnt, just more people. PERIOD. Hate to break this fun fact to you Mr. ULT, most of the blue doritos out there are terribad players, with no experience of gaming…….but they know how to /map chat “guys my dorito is up, follow me to this wooden door” and people go. If they succeed in taking the tower, their a hero, if they loose, failure. Point is anyone could save up 100 gold (and “anyone” has) and gather 25 people to run around mindlessly taking wooden doors down. Not anyone can win even fair fights….

Alright then, like titanlectro said, we have completely different outakes on the type of game we are playing. Continue doing what you do and I’ll continue to do what I do. Just stop criticizing everyone else for not playing Jscull’s version of WvW.

Dude play as you want. All I’m saying and was originally is that it’s mind boggling that there’s no other people that want to compete on our level other than the few groups we know. Few being like 3…

JKFlipFlop.7123:

We’re not disagreeing with you Nausicca. Every PAXA post thus far has been condemning players that follow commanders and take objectives though. They seem to be of the opinion that servers do not have scores and that the only objective in WvW is killing players.

Because people get (Im going to spell it wrong on purpose so you see the word choice im using) buttzzzzhurtzzzz in this game when I speak for “PAXA” I will make sure I use the word I instead of we….I have these opinions because the server score means jack kitten. You win, you move up to the bottom of another meaningless tier’s score. Maybe more people? Maybe a couple better fights? Not really. You stay in months and months with same tier? Score means physically nothing. You’re fighting for meaningless points that hold ZERO merit. Top tier bragging rights? WRONG, top tiers have 80+ man zergs……how does that make them a better, tougher tier? It doesnt, just more people. PERIOD. Hate to break this fun fact to you Mr. ULT, most of the blue doritos out there are terribad players, with no experience of gaming…….but they know how to /map chat “guys my dorito is up, follow me to this wooden door” and people go. If they succeed in taking the tower, their a hero, if they loose, failure. Point is anyone could save up 100 gold (and “anyone” has) and gather 25 people to run around mindlessly taking wooden doors down. Not anyone can win even just a fair fights….

titanlectro.5029:

Jscull.2514:

titanlectro.5029:

greyblue.4962:

And honestly, my experience in WvW leads me to believe that something like 75% of the people there are really terrible at PvP.

WHy would I have respect for what a 10 year old could do?
That is because we are not playing PvP.

WvW is not as hardcore as PvP. You don’t need leet skills to be helpful and useful to your server. Naturally, PAXA is an elite team. Usually, they are fighting casuals who have no interest in team deathmatch.

That said, PAXA has been great training for us on GoM. People have learned the importance of rezing downed players quickly, and spiking quickly. Overall, GoM is stronger due to our encounters with PAXA, just like GoM is stronger from all our outnumbered battles against DH.

PvP did not originate from warfront time/point/kill limit scenarios. So telling me that WvW is not PvP, you are wrong. 3 factions to kill…It may not be officially called by the Anet team “player vs player world” but it is open world pvp. The only difference between whatever open world pvp game you have played is that the majority of pve is not done in this zone. Just because pve isnt done in this zone doesn’t make it NOT open world pvp…..That being said, it is an open no time limit, no kill limit, no cap limit zone for killing and capturing of “your super tough objectives”….regardless, the fact that you wrote what you wrote just means you’ll never have our perspective of what real player vs player is like. All you will know and continue to know is this :

1. Gather supply
2. Put down blueprints
3. spam build with supply
4. put down more blueprints
5. run for more supply
6. /Map chat “If you are not on my blue dorito, GET HERE NOW!”
7. spam build next siege with supply
8. /Map chat “Guys door is going down in 10 seconds, GET HERE NOW!”
9. Spam 1 and 2 on keep lord
10. /map chat “We should thank commander blue dorito for all this valiant leadership”
11. Gather all 25 of yourselves and run to the next objective on the map
12. Continue this nightly, weekly, monthly, and onto your next MMO as THE way to pvp in open zones

What a joke

Clearly you have no respect for WvW.

That fine, you’re entitled to your opinion. Just don’t expect anyone here to respect you for it, because most of us are here for WvW.

Edit: You mentioned “good wvw players” that aren’t necessarily good pvpers…..do you realize how easy it is to be a “good wvw player”…….10 year olds could pick this game up….and 2 hours after downloading it be “running supply, scouting, seiging, and banging on keep wood”. Using that example, pretty much points out that “good wvw players” arent good players at all, let alone at player vs player. You do consistently what a 10 year old could do.

Why would I have any video game respect for you when a 10 year old could do the same thing?

titanlectro.5029:

greyblue.4962:

And honestly, my experience in WvW leads me to believe that something like 75% of the people there are really terrible at PvP.

That is because we are not playing PvP.

WvW is not as hardcore as PvP. You don’t need leet skills to be helpful and useful to your server. Naturally, PAXA is an elite team. Usually, they are fighting casuals who have no interest in team deathmatch.

That said, PAXA has been great training for us on GoM. People have learned the importance of rezing downed players quickly, and spiking quickly. Overall, GoM is stronger due to our encounters with PAXA, just like GoM is stronger from all our outnumbered battles against DH.

PvP did not originate from warfront time/point/kill limit scenarios. So telling me that WvW is not PvP, you are wrong. 3 factions to kill…It may not be officially called by the Anet team “player vs player world” but it is open world pvp. The only difference between whatever open world pvp game you have played is that the majority of pve is not done in this zone. Just because pve isnt done in this zone doesn’t make it NOT open world pvp…..That being said, it is an open no time limit, no kill limit, no cap limit zone for killing and capturing of “your super tough objectives”….regardless, the fact that you wrote what you wrote just means you’ll never have our perspective of what real player vs player is like. All you will know and continue to know is this :

1. Gather supply
2. Put down blueprints
3. spam build with supply
4. put down more blueprints
5. run for more supply
6. /Map chat “If you are not on my blue dorito, GET HERE NOW!”
7. spam build next siege with supply
8. /Map chat “Guys door is going down in 10 seconds, GET HERE NOW!”
9. Spam 1 and 2 on keep lord
10. /map chat “We should thank commander blue dorito for all this valiant leadership”
11. Gather all 25 of yourselves and run to the next objective on the map
12. Continue this nightly, weekly, monthly, and onto your next MMO as THE way to pvp in open zones

What a joke

Edit: You mentioned “good wvw players” that aren’t necessarily good pvpers…..do you realize how easy it is to be a “good wvw player”…….10 year olds could pick this game up….and 2 hours after downloading it be “running supply, scouting, seiging, and banging on keep wood”. Using that example, pretty much points out that “good wvw players” arent good players at all, let alone at player vs player. You do consistently what a 10 year old could do.

Keiel.7489:

First off I said it’s a casual game, not a casual PvP game. The game has multiple aspect to it WvW being one of them. WvW is not even open world PvP, nothing even close. Just a large battle ground with larger player limits and a much longer timer.

You and very few others try to play it your way, by making a gank squad. And by all means its great for you, and occasionally I also “roam” but that isn’t the play style that wins the battle. You specialize in small group tactics and bash on large group play and even solo play. You can try and say you do it for the challenge if you want, but at the end of the day you still prey on unexpecting groups for the win pushing no limit to your character. Beating out others who’s mindset is to get to a objective to support the vast majority while yours is to hunt and kill doesn’t make you skillful just as a build for solo play beating out a build for Zerg play.

Beef between Os and PAXA? I don’t really care to each his own as paid said. Just like you don’t like our members complaining about you guys ruining our fight club, the vast majority of the players don’t really want to hear about you kittening abot their Zerg fights.

Sorry not many people enjoy your idea of what skillful play is. But try and wrap your mind around this, most people join medium to large WvW guild to WvW in medium to large sizes. People who join over guilds do it so they can pve. And guess what kind of guilds people who wants to spvp join?

This is how GW2 is, sorry it took you months to figure it out, let me know when you guys find that perfect game for your style, but this one is definitely not it.

We go after the groups of 10+ A because there is no one else to fight, and B because the fact that 98% of the people’s mindsets today in pvp mmo’s is to capture an impossibly easy keep door and tower mobs. We go after them because it couldn’t be more backwards from what PVP means. Don’t call it World vs World, call it capture points R us. The fact that it is satisfying to you guys just makes us want to smoke you even more. Enjoy your keep wood.

Keiel.7489:

Jscull.2514:

Sororita.3465:

Jscull.2514:

Its impossible for any of you people we know don’t run small mans to run anything less than 10. PERIOD. You guys cant win without that many.

Psh, says the guy whos guild attack a lvl 8 and a lvl 12 with 4 lvl 80s >.>

THATS LIFE! thats what all the people say!

BTW To the PB thief that killed me in GoM Ruins, good job man.

My point is that it is so inconceivable that of all the hundreds of people that pvp every night, NONE of you are willing to challenge yourselves and your character’s makeups. Because you know without “backup (being 10 or more)” you probably won’t be successful. Just impossible to wrap my brain around there not being anyone comfortable with the few people around them rather than a big group.

You find it inconceivable that in a casual mmo people don’t get together more often on a schedule with a small group to get better at small scale combat vice Zerging since its the prevalent tactics to take and hold positions as the game type was meant to be? You find it inconceivable that people in a MMO likes to play with a large number of other people? Do you guys also go to gay bars and try to pick up straight chicks for the challenge and find it inconceivable that you were unsuccessful too?

Do what you want in your guild but don’t expect everyone to follow, cause your playstyle is a extreme minority. You play for the small moments when you and your groups do beat other larger groups and your kittens grows enormously. Before you go off and tell us how we can’t ever beat you with a small group of same size and can only do it with 10+ people. Well might be right, but we’ll never know, you never accept fair setup fights and when we run around with 10+ we gasp this might come as a shock to you, but we weren’t out looking for you, we were you know doing WvW.

Lol [Os] you’re funny. It’s mind blowing in the past 3 months with the AR /BP matchup an now this one where we even switched servers to fight a more pvp focused server…. We hve come across maybe 5 groups that were dedicated to competing with a small pool of player talents to push their characters limits in wvw. Maybe 5!!! That’s mind blowing with there being hundreds of players a night. Comfort blankets… You all run in comfort blankets “casual mmo for casual pvpers” lol.

Don’t talk much about e—-peeeens when you have members that post screen shots of keep takes and scoreboards and brag. Kill 3 people with 10 or more… And brag. Try killing 20 with 5-6, then you’ll have some merit. Till then…… “I need a scoreboard update please!!”

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Jscull.2514:

My point is that it is so inconceivable that of all the hundreds of people that pvp every night, NONE of you are willing to challenge yourselves and your character’s makeups. Because you know without “backup (being 10 or more)” you probably won’t be successful. Just impossible to wrap my brain around there not being anyone comfortable with the few people around them rather than a big group.

Most players don’t see any point to limiting their game play to the arbitrary encounter size you’ve selected as being the only one worth fighting.

And arbitrary encounter size? Anet made the group size that big physically how is that arbitrary?

If it was an extreme generalization think we’d complain about it on the forums? Why would I bring up not fighting players of quality under group sizes of 10 if it happened often? Believe me I wish we had known groups to fight every night. Same thing as Ar and BP, all just ran in 10+ and when they didn’t they lost usually… There’s the answer. There are not competitive people willing to rely on the play of only a few others to beat people of their caliber or better. That is simply a fact otherwise people would do it more.

Sororita.3465:

Jscull.2514:

Its impossible for any of you people we know don’t run small mans to run anything less than 10. PERIOD. You guys cant win without that many.

Psh, says the guy whos guild attack a lvl 8 and a lvl 12 with 4 lvl 80s >.>

THATS LIFE! thats what all the people say!

BTW To the PB thief that killed me in GoM Ruins, good job man.

My point is that it is so inconceivable that of all the hundreds of people that pvp every night, NONE of you are willing to challenge yourselves and your character’s makeups. Because you know without “backup (being 10 or more)” you probably won’t be successful. Just impossible to wrap my brain around there not being anyone comfortable with the few people around them rather than a big group.

Its impossible for any of you people we know don’t run small mans to run anything less than 10. PERIOD. You guys cant win without that many.

Once again, all you small man “hardcore pvpers” battle with the carebear zergers arent willing to spend 18 in game gold to fight other hardcore teams. Stupid, just get on the same tier, and some teams will just have to change if the tier shifts. SO WHAT its 18 in game gold. Make this happen, we will all have MUCH MORE FUN! Consolidate, 5 man tier will be a hell of alot better than all of us spread out trying to figure out ways to beat Anet’s finance team which allows CAREBEAR CITY to happen…………………………….

ARM.3912:

Jscull.2514:

Props and Cheers to kitten this game wont let me put in their tag…..(DERPPP) from GoM. Finally a 5 man worth fighting. Glad to see you boys out there tonight. Thanks for the fights.

(DERPPP) is so hot they censor our name (i wish i would have known that before making the guild tag :/.. and WHY????)

Likewise Paxa, after our first fight I said “we aren’t going to have more fun than that, lets find them!” . We kept looking for you, ran into NS zergs or GT’s zerg from your side more than I’d care for though. But very fun fights when we met up. I’m glad we pulled off a win once. Were you just running 5 in all those fights?

ARM

ARM when we fought you guys we remember a heal spec guardian, ranger, an ele, a warrior and possibly another guardian or war. I know we fought three different times and you may have had subs or people log but that’s the group we remember hitting near the island couple times.

DrSparkles.5360:

Jscull.2514:

ARM.3912:

Jscull.2514:

Props and Cheers to kitten this game wont let me put in their tag…..(DERPPP) from GoM. Finally a 5 man worth fighting. Glad to see you boys out there tonight. Thanks for the fights.

(DERPPP) is so hot they censor our name (i wish i would have known that before making the guild tag :/.. and WHY????)

Likewise Paxa, after our first fight I said “we aren’t going to have more fun than that, lets find them!” . We kept looking for you, ran into NS zergs or GT’s zerg from your side more than I’d care for though. But very fun fights when we met up. I’m glad we pulled off a win once. Were you just running 5 in all those fights?

ARM

All 3 times we hit you guys last night we had 4. Our 5th wasn’t on last night but we still ran. Was really fun for us too. NSP had SPCA hit you guys and us a couple times as well. We all hope you guys decide to run as nightly as possible. It’s safe to say you’re on our radar ARM! Cheers

Likewise to you guys they were some great engagements and some of the better ones on that scale in a good while, but by our count you had us by 1 each time. Half of another if we count that NSP scout with the PAXA tag, although I don’t think they ever engaged.

Did you guys end up living in the end of that 3rd fight when those NSP adds came back?

I think we may have had a HoD pugger in one of the fights…But there is no reason for us to make up how many PAXA tags there were last night..We ran 4 guys (5th wasn’t even on).

We continued that last fight into the field across the river by the dolyaks and ended up getting swarmed by respwning NSPer’s.

ARM.3912:

Jscull.2514:

Props and Cheers to kitten this game wont let me put in their tag…..(DERPPP) from GoM. Finally a 5 man worth fighting. Glad to see you boys out there tonight. Thanks for the fights.

(DERPPP) is so hot they censor our name (i wish i would have known that before making the guild tag :/.. and WHY????)

Likewise Paxa, after our first fight I said “we aren’t going to have more fun than that, lets find them!” . We kept looking for you, ran into NS zergs or GT’s zerg from your side more than I’d care for though. But very fun fights when we met up. I’m glad we pulled off a win once. Were you just running 5 in all those fights?

ARM

All 3 times we hit you guys last night we had 4. Our 5th wasn’t on last night but we still ran. Was really fun for us too. NSP had SPCA hit you guys and us a couple times as well. We all hope you guys decide to run as nightly as possible. It’s safe to say you’re on our radar ARM! Cheers

Props and Cheers to kitten this game wont let me put in their tag…..(DERPPP) from GoM. Finally a 5 man worth fighting. Glad to see you boys out there tonight. Thanks for the fights.

So I was respectfully asked to remove a post someone from [Os] put up. I joked he was going to have to go to [Os] court on trial with the blue dorito’s……they literally made him delete his post which made sense for once. If you ever wonder why I call you C A R E B E A R S…..this is blatantly why.

anthsss.1564:

osif.8673:

Oh, my b. Over 15 times. Hahahaha
You were trash talking him all night with generic insults when we transfered. There were more than 2 of us running that night. So, while your whole story of seeing 2 PAXA members happened, you started your trash talk long before then.

Stragglers != overextenders. I’m not about to get into a hotdog measurement contest with you. Zergers will never admit when they lose to lesser numbers.

We were attacking blueberry and I got hit from behind by a fat norn warrior and a thief, I whispered jscull and said “was that you?” with no response. So I asked if he wanted to 2v2, no response again, so I asked for a 5v5, and then I got the “QQ” response, so I started to mess with him. I had no history with any of PAXA, so I honestly didn’t care, I was legitimately interested in fighting you guys in your own play style.

I’m pretty sure that it was you that I talked to a couple weeks ago, where I explained (to you) that a post on the forums was actually a compliment and not meant to be an insult. I don’t know about you, but if I hated PAXA, then I wouldn’t have done that. I don’t instigate people unless I don’t like them, take for example, AR. So since I knew nothing of jscull, there was no reason for me to instigate him, until he did so to me first. Please use your head next time.

The reason PAXA gets mad at everybody else is because jscull is like Ronny, they both feed their guild stupidity because they don’t like certain people. They feel that if they don’t like somebody, nobody else should either.

I don’t care if my cousin (one of the other 4 guys in our 5 man), his roomate from college (one of the other 4 guys in our 5 man) or the other two guys we met in this game like you or don’t like you. I don’t like you because you publicly rally people to bash Ronny. Garbage and you run in 10+ and hide behind your guildies lol. Plus the one time I heard you talk in Ronny’s vent….your voice proved you were 18…Hoss.

anthsss.1564:

Jscull.2514:

Rukittenman on a BL tnite carebear. Let’s see what youre made of. None of us set up fights man. Get past that fact. Just roam a BL till we find you.

Edit: we will be on NSP or GoM BL’s

That seems a bit like a set up fight, we will find you some other time when it will be more unpredictable

Please dude as if we’d just roam looking for ONLY your made up [Os] “5man”. We arent setting up kitten. Just roam on those two and we will find you. I’ll leave the setting up to Tobytobs

anthsss.1564:

osif.8673:

@Anths

You guys seem to find us plenty with 15+ (and lol saying you killed us all 15+ times, funny). I’d imagine it wouldn’t be that hard to find us with 5 either. Dragear has asked me if we wanted to have a friendly 5v5 before, truth is we rarely even have 5 people on (maybe 2 hours a day we have 5 people, on the weekends it’s pretty rare to ever have 5) for those pre-set 5v5s when asked. If you want to continue taking 15 people against our 5 during prime time hours, by all means please keep doing so. We still enjoy killing those groups.

In all honesty, Os has some really cool, skilled players. But as I have stated before, large guilds don’t have that as a majority, and the majority of Os that you see aren’t going to be of the good kind. In WvW, there’s nothing wrong with that! It’s just when you take 15 to kill 5 and follow it up with trash talk, (especially when that 15 has been wiped before by 5) you don’t look so hawt.

It was over 15 times that we wiped PAXA on reset, because if I wasn’t in on it, everybody else was laughing about it in vent, and then one time when they did the breakout and it was ZergvZerg, NSP still won. Not once did any of you wipe 15 people, even though you guys claim that you bust zergs, you only kill stragglers.

I asked for a 2v2 since I only saw 2 PAXA, and there was no response, so I asked for a 5v5, jscull responded with “QQ” which opened up the door to the trash talking. Everything that happened was because jscull refused to fight a friendly 2v2 or 5v5 and decided to instigate instead. Remember, there are always two sides to a story

Sport a 5 man on a BL tnite carebear. Let’s see what youre made of. None of us set up fights man. Get past that fact. Just roam a BL till we find you.

Edit: we will be on NSP or GoM BL’s