Guild Wars 2

I don’t think it’s a terrible idea… I would probably participate but I’d rather have 3
Faction teams appoint each other. And group specific sizes.

Ideally rather just have more people want to focus on beating other players
Via killing them / deathmatch rather than fight over some keep. Objectives ruin player vs player.

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Nausicca.6038:

Lol @ PAXA. Can’t wait for our next 5v5.

Would love to. Too bad 99% all the “NSP 5/small mans” now just simply run in 15 +.

Including XOXO.

Noticed this about HoD’s “small mans” too… until there’s a zerg on us. Then they love to gank.

I don’t know ANY other small mans on HoD other than who we also run with [KoM]. They run anywhere from 5-9 people. Usually in between. We run at most 6 people. We have never merged the groups…. But have made groups under that 9 person mark. Why you are crying we didn’t hold back on you doesn’t make any sense as those NSP "small " mans inside Zergs haven’t? You’re red on the screen, sorry my goal isn’t to /dance, /eat cookies /hug carebears with you.

Yes, and I’m sure that makes you feel really special after having run from the fair numbers fights. Now stop with all this attention grubbing. I’m trying to PvE, since killing you guys isn’t enough of a challenge.

You guys are like ground hogs day, same act to everyone on the forums.

moutzaheadin.4029:

Jscull.2514:

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Nausicca.6038:

Lol @ PAXA. Can’t wait for our next 5v5.

Would love to. Too bad 99% all the “NSP 5/small mans” now just simply run in 15 +.

Including XOXO.

Noticed this about HoD’s “small mans” too… until there’s a zerg on us. Then they love to gank.

I don’t know ANY other small mans on HoD other than who we also run with [KoM]. They run anywhere from 5-9 people. Usually in between. We run at most 6 people. We have never merged the groups…. But have made groups under that 9 person mark. Why you are crying we didn’t hold back on you doesn’t make any sense as those NSP "small " mans inside Zergs haven’t? You’re red on the screen, sorry my goal isn’t to /dance, /eat cookies /hug carebears with you.

Ill be your huckleberry.

The only crying from either side was the time we mopped the floor with paxa and the tears that followed was.. "omg pew pew cheese op’d mesmer/ thief combos/ we didn’t have our full 5 / insert more tears / ect ect / Whines in whisper.

Other then that one time I think its been rather tear free.

You been waitin a while to drop that one huh? Sure, “omg pew pew” lol…. I’m a cuddly carebear too.

Themanbat.3206:

Jscull.2514:

Nausicca.6038:

Lol @ PAXA. Can’t wait for our next 5v5.

Would love to. Too bad 99% all the “NSP 5/small mans” now just simply run in 15 +.

Including XOXO.

Noticed this about HoD’s “small mans” too… until there’s a zerg on us. Then they love to gank.

I don’t know ANY other small mans on HoD other than who we also run with [KoM]. They run anywhere from 5-9 people. Usually in between. We run at most 6 people. We have never merged the groups…. But have made groups under that 9 person mark. Why you are crying we didn’t hold back on you doesn’t make any sense as those NSP "small " mans inside Zergs haven’t? You’re red on the screen, sorry my goal isn’t to /dance, /eat cookies /hug carebears with you.

Nausicca.6038:

Lol @ PAXA. Can’t wait for our next 5v5.

Would love to. Too bad 99% all the “NSP 5/small mans” now just simply run in 15 +.

Including XOXO.

Jace.6973:

Oh obsession. Yes I cried when PAXA wiped fight club

And yes, I did stick up for one of my MoB commanders. What I like most about this commander is that he admitted he made the wrong call, and apologized. So yes, I did support him.

Also MoB doesn’t start drama we just clarify whats facts and whats made up.

Like yes PAXA did wipe us. Did they fight fair? They think so we think not. Things like this are never going to be settled because people view them from 2 points of view and realistically means nothing. Ask any member in MoB I will be the first to tell you that PAXA is extremely talented. As they should be they put a lot of effort into their small man fight. And I think they are the best hands down small man group out there.

Ideally some one on your own server shouldn’t call you out. At the end of the day were still on the same server.
To me, it’s more about what actually happens inside WvW.

My favorite part about this is it’s all frapsed…Jace, keep working on that portal bomb as it is your ONLY form of pvp.

Khursun.2354:

Jscull.2514:

Been on HoD for over a month now….Run a group just about 5/6 nights a week. Yet to see a [VLK] small man running around let alone “smokin” people.

Heard they are pretty kitten efficient at reporting people tho….kinda like that guy that calls the cops on the party.

What an odd thing to say to a guild on your server, but I know what my core VLK group i run with does, so I had to chuckle at your post. As one of my guildies said, please feel free to run with us. Hell, we even make it into other BLs if EB is not up to par.

We can chalk it off at that….PAXA doesn’t run EB….EVER. Zergfest 2013 isn’t for us. Even though most BL’s resemble, EB is by far worse.

Plus actually reporting someone in game is like tattling in grade school to get some kid no recess…you just don’t do it.

Bllade.1029:

Jscull.2514:

Been on HoD for over a month now….Run a group just about 5/6 nights a week. Yet to see a [VLK] small man running around let alone “smokin” people.

Heard they are pretty kitten efficient at reporting people tho….kinda like that guy that calls the cops on the party.

You should run around more often. We’re there. Always there.

Must be in zergs or in EB.

Been on HoD for over a month now….Run a group just about 5/6 nights a week. Yet to see a [VLK] small man running around let alone “smokin” people.

Heard they are pretty kitten efficient at reporting people tho….kinda like that guy that calls the cops on the party.

I wish someone from Anet could explain to me why 98% of their game ONLY wants to hit doors/protect NPC camps/build seige ? Why is there 2 % that actually want thr adrenaline of killing other skilled well equipped players? Killing a player is 98% more challenging than what zergers do so why is this the opposite of what occurs?

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

There are two different KING guilds on SF, but as far as I know only one of them really WvWs, if you see mass numbers in WvW it is the Unified Kingdom [KING] guild ran by King A R T H U R (or however you spell his name).

Although the video said enough, thank you for clarifying.

mugen.4763:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1ZftV7jEvs

Enjoy

So I have an honest question. Are there two different [KING] guilds ? We had a PAXA vs a [KING] 6 man fight at the north camp on one of the borderlands that lasted about 3 minutes that was really fun. Those guys had their heads in the right place. I watch this video and see a thousand golems pvdoorin… I’m assuming it’s not the same guys?

@King Amadaeous,

Nice to see you taking a realistic perspective on what wvw is. A little experience for you on the dark side of “player vs player” rather than “player vs meaningless scoreboard”

Glad you were open about it. Coming around a little.

Lol this game = “upgrade and bail wars2”. Completely mistitled it.

Commander blue Dorito says, “guys don’t mind those guys on the island…. This tower door means more than they do”.

And 98% of you agree with that statement.

Elite players dont wear commander tags.

Cheers to the [KING] guys at the north camp today, good show.

Skarloc.2569:

Who would have ever thought a gamer chick could cause so much drama. Oh wait…

osif.8673:

Fenikkusu.1569:

I’ll answer any and all questions you all may have.

I’ll step out on the ledge and just throw it out there – are you Mila Kunis?

The stars seems to be aligning for you. I think this is happening!

Where the hell is the wall post ???? I’m dying laughing.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

Apparently, writing a well-thought out analysis of the current situation doesn’t work, and mods are annoying on this god kitten forum, so, here.

XOXO you guys are awesome but I lost a lot of respect for you

Feni’s really annoying and a drama queen and did she really expect we wouldn’t kill her if she transferred servers, especially since she got bribed to do it?

Good fights this week, fun times.

K, cool.

My favorite part of your enlightenment was the part about commander training.

modDW.4187:

Jscull.2514:

modDW.4187:

These zerg tactics are getting more and more advanced. I can’t keep up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49NV0qnt6V8

-Your Big Horse

Pony, Great stuff. Expected from you fine fellars….but great stuff. My personal favorite was that some guy actually drove that zerg in a very large circle….only to keep his back line getting smoked…cant really explain where the tactics are coming from, but i’d say he should get a refund from the “commander school” he attended.

Thank you my friend. Hahaha yeah I was a little confused when I saw that to be honest. Anyways look forward to seeing you guys out there!

Love,

Jason.

Died laughing at this dude. Quality!

Acelerion.6820:

we were 3 for the longest time but found 2 additional guys that really fit us well. We run whoever is on which usually ends up as a 3-4 man. We end up with 5 for an hour or 2 a day.

Sounds very similar. We recently acquired 2 3-mans that are running as a second group in PAXA. Good solid dudes, but we are still focused on our core 5 guys. Also juggling grp makeup and builds.

How many in OINK? Whats your core amount of guys?

Acelerion.6820:

hah sorry that was one of our guys screwing around solo I had it on clipboard and assumed…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yevzzbFaVgg

heres the right one.

I like the video. You guys def play similar styles. I really think we should work out facing each other in a tier sometime.

modDW.4187:

These zerg tactics are getting more and more advanced. I can’t keep up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49NV0qnt6V8

-Your Big Horse

Pony, Great stuff. Expected from you fine fellars….but great stuff. My personal favorite was that some guy actually drove that zerg in a very large circle….only to keep his back line getting smoked…cant really explain where the tactics are coming from, but i’d say he should get a refund from the “commander school” he attended.

Big part of the problem here is that 95% of the players ONLY zerg. Well the simple fact of mmo player vs player is that you zerg early in your career. You gotta learn the ropes and what means what and how to actually physically play.

But then you take steps towards more challenging scenarios on a daily basis. Basically relying more on yourself and less on the masses. You start solo roaming, you start group running. Before you know it youre grouped with all guildies and working on builds to help each other in group survive more in fights.

Point is, venture past what some blue dorito says. Make your own decisions. Start ADDING friends to your list and grouping with them before just “Where’s the zerg?”. Guys, try fighting different styles and you will be surprised how much more fun you will have because the challenges are simply greater.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Well ive been trying to get people to duel in SF BL for the past 40 minutes and i had a pretty fun one with a tM ele till our zerg ruined that. I’ve been trying to duel one of the 4 ZoS dudes running around but they answer all my bows with them mobbing me :/

I’m feeling your pain right now PAXA :P

Different scenario, same concept. Should be more groups under 15 running around. Under 10, under 5. The whole bunch. The 30 mans should break to 20 mans, and the other 10 doing something else. One track mind leads to mad exodus’ in games and ultimate failure unfortunately

I mean we run the same 5-6 guys every night. Im here purely for more meat/cc/shouts. We run a full support guard, and a guardian on condy removal/dps who stays on my hip for my targets.

We have just built my war (and all of our classes in the 5 man) to be purely grp spec to build of each others abilities and cool downs. I know war isnt as effective as a THIRD guard would be but we arent a group of guys that would run cheese (i.e. 4 mesmers and a theif) kinda kitten.

Acelerion.6820:

Very nice video. You guys do a great job rezzing. We went a completely different direction in group setup. Tried something similar to yours but it didnt work for as well as it does you guys.

heres us btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86abmB_7wNI

That link brought me to a solo ranger video?

Before any of the conversation starts let me just pre-empt this conversation with the fact that I drive a kill-focused nightly 5man in open world wvw. That being said I originally played Ranger because of the healing spring, aoe root elite, and crazy solid elusiveness. Because we only run 5-6 we come across teams of 5-20….based on that alone rangers (unless full bunker which I refuse to do) would melt after a minute of straight kiting.

So I thought I would make a tanky as all mother classes and chose pvt warrior. As many of you and I have experienced the warrior’s tank ability is pretty dismal. YES I understand for a good minute you can be a truck….but past that like the ranger survivability plummets. Long story short I switched to a group spec developed by my guild mate which has been rock solid. Run shout build with hammer and sword/board. (sword used besides axe for escapability #2). Every 20 seconds I can clear 6 conditions on myself, and 3 on the group. Also every 20 seconds I can heal the group for at least 3k a pop. The hammer cc is incredible and allows me to lock down multiple targets for 5-6 seconds straight.

Just wanted to see if anyone has similar builds and what they have experienced…

Limey.2769:

If only I had the playtime you guys are looking for. I have a guard, I’m on HoD, and I used to run DAOC 8 man

Sadly my new baby boy is due any day now, and I can’t dedicate time to the game like I did back in the days of DAOC

I wish you the best of luck…. Post more videos please

I know what your intention was, but it is not sad at all! Congratulations man enjoy! Wild turkey ride inc!

Verras.5013:

Jscull.2514:

Dude you get it for the most part. One thing ill say is that we aren’t saying full groups (this being 5 man in gw2) is the ONLY way to run. If you go back through months of PAXA posts you will find us saying numerous times that its appalling that there are 30-40 people in a Zerg none of which have the balls to venture outside of said Zerg and try actually challenging themselves against other players. It would be much more satisfying per night to people willing to compete on a smaller but more intellectually challenging level in Wvw. Like I said, I understand zergs will exist. We are saying 5-8 man guild groups should exist as well.

What skarloc said was true, when you make the decision to climb the ladder to the next rung of player vs player experience, most will find 2 things: 1. It is incredibly challenging 2. Incredibly rewarding when you achieve success beating other good players.

In my post I say that people assume. I never said that was PAXA’s view. Just what people would assume from your previous posts about zerging, such as this one right here, which you say everyone who zergs have no balls. It’s just an aggressive way to put your point out there which leads people to believe that PAXA thinks zerging shouldn’t exist. It’s all assumptions, my friend.

I used that terminology because this game has been out for more than half a year and there are basically solos and zergs…. We should be filling in the in-between gap.

Edit: like skarloc also said this isn’t the 4th grade, I’m not going to sugar coat kitten for anyone… Or hold any hands. This isn’t a social gathering for me or my guild…. It’s a competition platform.

Verras.5013:

@Skarloc

I haven’t seen a post about you guys bragging about killing someone (excluding when provoked by false information). I am not saying you will, but some of your posts towards SF are quite aggressive and makes casual players or players in general to feel they are representing the server as a whole instead of as a 5 man. This puts more pressure on these small groups and some will see fit that the risk doesn’t meet the rewards and proceed to zerg.

Sometimes, zerging gets mindless, sometimes it is all about that 1 skill, indeed. But, to generalize it as everyone is unskilled that zergs is a bold statement and hits individually instead of at the concept of zerging. Thus all the rude comments and pairing XOXO and PAXA as basically the same type of guild. One that doesn’t like zergs, ones that think 5v5 is the only way you should WvW. As a few know that’s not what you are saying but we assume through these posts that is your views on the matter. You also got to realize that a lot of us find our thrill in zerg vs zerg combat rather than 5v5 combat. But, our numbers vastly outnumber you and this is why we want “to win” and move up tiers.

Indeed, you do post appropriately and with civility, at least most of the times that I’ve seen you post. This is not always the case with other members of PAXA though. To be honest I think PAXA and XOXO should put up some forum restrictions as PVP does. It doesn’t have to be strict, just something to enforce good forum etiquette (I know, XOXO and PAXA aren’t the only ones who stoke the fire on the forums as well. Just that I respect what your guilds are trying to do). It truly saddens me to see Varconi attacking one of my guildmates and my guild after posting a video (sorry for the call-out) I know Varconi can be reasonable but when you attack ones guilds or guildmates it gives your guild a bad reputation.

I came from Warhammer Online, Gorfang server, in the guild The War Council on destruction and we would run 6 to 10 people and fight zergs all day. It was really fun being apart of something small and not grand scale.

@ Nausicca

I think that zergs have more of the rude attitude via emotes because there are more people there. One person starts to /dance on a corpse and then others follow. They are most likely laughing at how you were alone at the wrong place, wrong time. I respect XOXO as a small man the guild and it’s 5 billion clones have a good strategy and 1v1 skills.

@ PAXA, XOXO, and zerglings alike.

WvW benefits zergs a lot. No one denies that. But, saying that small roaming groups only fit into sPvP is not only wrong but attacking the ideals that their guild was formed upon. So, when we say things like “go to sPvP if you want a fair fight.” It is actually an aggressive statement which provokes their “zergs are mindless, press 1” quotes and then 4 threads get closed. Small roam groups, stop supplies from reaching that camp, stop a few reinforcements trying to defend that tower, gain points via other means, and can through a zerg of course. They add a lot to the server and people should appreciate these groups and other small roaming groups you find as helping the server win.

Also, I’ll be roaming around SF BLs see if you can find the pink necro in full Dry bones skin hopping around but be warned I’m sporting a support spec and full cleric gear.

Edit: Feel free to whisper me in game for duels or just to chat.

Dude you get it for the most part. One thing ill say is that we aren’t saying full groups (this being 5 man in gw2) is the ONLY way to run. If you go back through months of PAXA posts you will find us saying numerous times that its appalling that there are 30-40 people in a Zerg none of which have the balls to venture outside of said Zerg and try actually challenging themselves against other players. It would be much more satisfying per night to people willing to compete on a smaller but more intellectually challenging level in Wvw. Like I said, I understand zergs will exist. We are saying 5-8 man guild groups should exist as well.

What skarloc said was true, when you make the decision to climb the ladder to the next rung of player vs player experience, most will find 2 things: 1. It is incredibly challenging 2. Incredibly rewarding when you achieve success beating other good players.

THE Dentist.5960:

Thanks to a couple of the PAXA guys in our BL last night for the fight on the middle island. Was a lot of fun. I wasn’t grouped up with anyone but there were even numbers i think and it was well fought. The others didn’t seem to last very long, but I thought I held my own pretty good till the other NSP guys were spiked. Also thanks to the guardian for the nice bow at the end. I respect that after a good fight! I also want to thank a Mesmer from (FGM- or something like that) had a lot of fun fighting you last night as well. Things got even more fun when I was tagging along with XOXO fighting you and some others at the SF spawn.

Stryk, was going to mention that fight today. We were winding down for the evening when we came across you guys. Immediately I said, “it’s Stryker!” The fight was solid. For no coordination and possibly an up level (can’t remember) you guys were fun for sure. The guys in vent were like, “that dude is tanky as hell!”.

I was the one that bowed man. We always appreciated you while we were on NSP and still do. You’re one of the good ones man, solid player stand up guy. Would love to see you lead a focused group. Cheers man.

We have a build for the group we run that we will help the person develop as well

Emerge.9640:

You can do all that with greatsword, too.

Who were you guys on DAOC? Play classic? If I recall, wasn’t Cancels in your guild?

Nah we ran in Circle of Rage on Mid Merlin, and I ran with CODA for about a year and half.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Skarloc.2569:

But there are sheeple and suckers in this game. You don’t have to like the words I chose to use, but that doesn’t make it any less true. Is it mature of me, obviously not, but that’s not what I’m going for here. You see, I call it like I see it, and that’s what I’m doing here. You don’t have to like me, but I make a valid point, and you choose to blindly ignore it because I didn’t come across like a carebear.

There are many people in this game that have little skill, and I think most people can agree with that. A mass majority of this game runs with groups so large that they never have to mash more than a button or two. Not having to use a fraction of what your character can do is not exactly a key strategy in getting better. Not only that, but you get lazy and depend on the comfort of a zerg to achieve success. Not only are there bad players, but there are bad players who continue to get worse. Again, I’m not naming names, I’m just stating a fact that a good majority of the player base is not very good. I’m a Houston Astros fan, and the Astros are an atrocious baseball team right now. Does that make me any less wrong that I am saying that they are terrible, when they are actually terrible?

I’m not saying people suck because they choose not to engage in small-group PvP, simply that their preferred method involves a reward system that doesn’t actually reward you, and that their preferred method of playing simply relies on them being at their computer and in a large crowd. I’m not trying to foster camaraderie in my post, I’m just point out why we play the way we do and just how painfully obvious it is how irrelevant the score is. Again, you don’t have to like the way I come across, but what I say is true.

What people get out of WvW is certainly up to their own prerogative. There is quite a bit of score/tier talk and I’ve simply let people know that in the long run, there is absolutely no point in caring about it as it just a continuous loop of no actual reward. If despite that, you still want an update every half hour on the score, then power to you. We understand the need for a zerg and that it is going to appeal to certain people. I’m not telling people they suck for doing it, but it involves a nonexistent reward system and if continued on its current path will quickly lead to the demise of this game. I challenge people to realize that, and try something different. If they don’t want to, then it will be business as usual and I’ll keep doing my thing. I think when a larger group of the player base starts to realize how pointless the score really is and actually starts fighting for the sake of finding a good fight, they might be a bit surprised in just how much more fun they’ll have.

Of course there are sheeple and suckers, but you called everyone who doesn’t play WvW in your style those petty words. You have nothing constructive to say, and you know it. You can pile on as many words as you want but it is still the same.

I actually agree with many of the points you raise. Just not the being belligerent and a jerk. Of course, as you point out, it is up to others to like or not like what you say.

But, what you say it not true as far as the score goes. That is an opinion and nothing more.

So sitting in tier 8 for 4 months…..40404040440404040404 points ahead of the other two “brothers?” apparently? Was winning for you guys? 4 months of no one to fight and taking a tower back 3 minutes after it was taken from you? And what Skarloc said is false about the scoreboard and tier system? Righhhhhhttttttttttt

Emerge.9640:

Jscull.2514:

Acelerion.6820:

Were kind of jumping around a bit but have been running a lot of

Does your guard run support or dps?

mez/ele/engi/NECRO/ranger fixed.

I don’t always play guardian, but when I do, I prefer support.
Hammer/GS – buffbot/cc/heals

obviously until now we have been running a fulltime full-support guardian. Hammer/Staff for condit removal, boons, and cc. Worked out great for us for sure. Very very solid support to our build.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Which brings up the most unsatisfying fact of them all…. Of the hundreds of people in each tier logging in to wvw…. We can count the groups of them that want to FIGHT OTHER players and use their character builds testing what works best and what doesn’t on one hand. It’s an impossible shame.

Sorry, I am not understanding that. Do you mean the number of groups that want to small group pvp are limited in number or there is a large amount?

Do people facing a door or sitting on some siege pressing 2 buttons desire to fight in “non-guaranteed” outcome fights or keep facing the door and pressing 2 buttons?

It’s absurd almost the entire population of every tier every server every map would rather face that awesome door and press those 2 wicked abilities on the arrow cart to “snare” and mass Aoe arrows down……

Not absurd at all. Why do you think so many people do it? If they thought 5v5 fights were fun then they would do that.

Because so many people are terrible players bucko. You think we magically became solid pvpers? We all paid dues in other games with time, energy, and preparation. Thanks to WoW you can now purchase game, download game, insta player vs player environment and win fights due to game mechanics…. And then forum post about how good you are.

The reason so few do it is because you want instant gratification… And fighting good people sitting at a computer and not npcs in a dungeon or keep does not grant you that result

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Skarloc.2569:

I think that you, and many others for that matter, take the literal meaning of WvWvW too far. You feel as if you need to gather everyone on the map and just zerg down objectives, and you do so because there is a deeply flawed scoring system that supposedly rewards the server who finishes first for the week. As we all have seen, the majority of the player base seems to favor this option, and while it is certainly not something that PAXA wants to do, I can understand, to a point, why some other people do.

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I’ve pointed out in previous posts, in a more condescending manner, just how little of a point there is to actually caring about the score. My Q&A session hits it dead on, but the moderators saw fit to give me a 24 hour ban the last time I posted it. The score is a meaningless number that sheeple flock to raise so that their server can be number one. All right, that doesn’t sound too bad, but what does getting first at the end of the week get you? That’s right boys and girls, absolutely nothing. You see, due to the system they have in place, repeatedly getting first in your tier often leaves said server fighting in the same match-up for weeks and months on end. Wow, that sounds like an exciting reward system. Oh, and I think our friends in SF can attest to this as this is exactly what has happened to them in their previous tier. But what if you do somehow move up a tier? Well, congratulations, you now get to do what you did in the previous tier, which is fight for weeks and months on end to continually climb tiers so that you can… continually… climb… the… tier. Having come from the top tier to start this game, I can assure you that the level of skill is no different there than it is here, the only difference being numbers and coverage, which are the two defining factors in score. I suppose there is server pride, but let’s not kid ourselves, with the amount of free transferring that has been allowed in this game, server loyalty is fairly meaningless and is the biggest problem for servers being so imbalanced.

We try to promote small-group action because it’s painfully obvious that caring about the score is for suckers. ArenaNet has no clue how to move forward and improve the WvW system, so they’re just riding this out for as long as they can and hopefully sell more copies in the first place. If you are playing for the score, you literally cannot give me an answer as to what reward that will actually get you. It’s a continuous loop of bad design that a majority of the player base has fallen trap to, and it’s why this game is slowly dying.

Again, there is absolutely no reason to care about the score, so why not hop off that arrowcart surrounded by 30+ sheeple and try to find fights that simply don’t end because your sheeple herd was greater than the other.

I understand the learning curve for running a small group is higher than what some people are used to, but if you stick with it, you would be surprised how much fun it is and just how much of a better player you could become. And if anyone wants tips on how to get started or just advice in general, we would love to help if it would encourage less zerging.

Sorry, I am not going to re-read the same stuff you have posted before. You want others to listen to what you say but then you dismiss the people that do not see things your way as sheeple and suckers. Very mature.

You belittle others you claim have no skill because they do not do what you want them to do. It is immature, disrespectful, and just proves you are not here to make an actual point.

You are not promoting small group pvp, you are telling everyone else they suck because they do not play by your rules. You straight alienate them instead of fostering camaraderie and getting people to like your ideas.

It IS a literal meaning. We fight World vs. World vs. World. The scoring reflects that. There is no flaw because the point of World vs. World vs. World is for each world to fight the other two worlds. Whatever we get out of it is what we get out of it. Just because you get nothing out of it doesn’t mean other people don’t. You just think it is flawed because it is not what you want it to be.

But we do get something out of it charlie, we get videos and videos of 5,6,7 of us finishing off groups of 20….. How does that add up by your “winning scoreboard”? We should lose every single one of those fights because the 20 are well organized happened to be grouped up in the fight, and focus fire us down.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Which brings up the most unsatisfying fact of them all…. Of the hundreds of people in each tier logging in to wvw…. We can count the groups of them that want to FIGHT OTHER players and use their character builds testing what works best and what doesn’t on one hand. It’s an impossible shame.

Sorry, I am not understanding that. Do you mean the number of groups that want to small group pvp are limited in number or there is a large amount?

Do people facing a door or sitting on some siege pressing 2 buttons desire to fight in “non-guaranteed” outcome fights or keep facing the door and pressing 2 buttons?

It’s absurd almost the entire population of every tier every server every map would rather face that awesome door and press those 2 wicked abilities on the arrow cart to “snare” and mass Aoe arrows down……

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

subcrazy.1098:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Wvw is only about Zerging because 98% of the players don’t know how to player vs player. I don’t want a pvp arena…. I want there to be dudes who know what the kitten their doing running around trying to kill me and our group. This is open pvp…. I’m biased but I think Sars in previous posts said it best…. There’s 13 kittening capture points on a map or something like that…. There’s a fight at maybe 2? Or one big one?

You guys just don’t have experience fighting players. I would bet 59-60% of hat 98% are here for the first time. Here meaning in a player vs player environment. Everyone Zergs at some point in their career…. At another point in their career if they are half a whitted person, they move up the ladder….. 98% are still on rung number 1.

Again, that is YOUR ladder and YOUR opinion on what WvW should be. I am at the top rung on my ladder bro. I just don’t feel like climbing your ladder. At least not yet. Plus, I know you cannot really gear yourself properly, but if I wanted small group pvp experience, I would go to the Mists.

Man ppl need to get off this go to the mist statement. Its not the same. Mist is a lot of 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3. It hardly ever is 5v5 cause u need ppl guarding points. I used to do tourneys and this it how it was unless its changed in the last 2 months which I doubt.

And the same point can be made that WvW is not the proper place for 5v5. It is rarely 5v5 because u need ppl taking points.

Neither are what you are looking for, really.

Clearly you haven’t played any other open world pvp games. Case and point… If there was no Aoe cap in this game…. Zergs would exist for 10 minutes before being wiped by a group of guys who know what their doing. That tied in with downed state only being able to res others only when out of combat…. Those two things alone with = bye bye “this is how you wvw”

Clearly I haven’t but that has nothing to do with this.

This isn’t any other open world pvp game. This is GW2 and is different than other open world pvp games. Why do you keep insisting that everyone else needs to adjust to your play style? This isn’t daoc or whatever other game you are so in love with. This is GW2 and this is WvWvW, with WvWvW scoring and rules.

Which brings up the most unsatisfying fact of them all…. Of the hundreds of people in each tier logging in to wvw…. We can count the groups of them that want to FIGHT OTHER players and use their character builds testing what works best and what doesn’t on one hand. It’s an impossible shame.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

subcrazy.1098:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

Wvw is only about Zerging because 98% of the players don’t know how to player vs player. I don’t want a pvp arena…. I want there to be dudes who know what the kitten their doing running around trying to kill me and our group. This is open pvp…. I’m biased but I think Sars in previous posts said it best…. There’s 13 kittening capture points on a map or something like that…. There’s a fight at maybe 2? Or one big one?

You guys just don’t have experience fighting players. I would bet 59-60% of hat 98% are here for the first time. Here meaning in a player vs player environment. Everyone Zergs at some point in their career…. At another point in their career if they are half a whitted person, they move up the ladder….. 98% are still on rung number 1.

Again, that is YOUR ladder and YOUR opinion on what WvW should be. I am at the top rung on my ladder bro. I just don’t feel like climbing your ladder. At least not yet. Plus, I know you cannot really gear yourself properly, but if I wanted small group pvp experience, I would go to the Mists.

Man ppl need to get off this go to the mist statement. Its not the same. Mist is a lot of 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3. It hardly ever is 5v5 cause u need ppl guarding points. I used to do tourneys and this it how it was unless its changed in the last 2 months which I doubt.

And the same point can be made that WvW is not the proper place for 5v5. It is rarely 5v5 because u need ppl taking points.

Neither are what you are looking for, really.

Clearly you haven’t played any other open world pvp games. Case and point… If there was no Aoe cap in this game…. Zergs would exist for 10 minutes before being wiped by a group of guys who know what their doing. That tied in with downed state being able to res others only when out of combat…. Those two things alone would = bye bye “this is how you wvw”

To give you guys an Idea of what PAXA does on a nightly basis… Here’s a video from last week.

Nirvana.5796:

Jscull.2514:

We have a build that we will work on with the player.

What’s the build?

It is a boon – condition removal / cc build. If that is something that interests you send me a message. Can explain more if you have questions.

Linkisdead.9647:

Jscull stop lumping an entire server into one group. I’m on SF so you’re speaking directly to me as well. Ask some of your guys I fought the other day, I’m out solo roaming every day that I get on.

BTW your PAXA boys jumped me 3v1 the first time we met, although while they couldn’t down me it still goes against this mantra of looking for fair fights.

Although huge credit to the three of yours I did speak to in /w(Zelrin,Miller, and the Skritt engi guy) they did avoid attacking me when outnumbered.

The point is I rarely find a good 1v1 in this tier. Most of the time I am getting ganked mid fight or running from groups of 10. I don’t even stomp players when I 1v1, I let them go unless I’m out numbered.

NSP and HoD are no different than us, we just have more people overall.

Signa Blackthorn
SF Ranger
Gore

Do me a favor, scroll up and read what I wrote to that cantur guy. Where I clearly stated NSP and hod are no different just less people. We are here for kills. They said u were cool. No problem. But first time we see you we pump no breaks. On that same note you’ll never find one of us bragging when we kill someone outnumbered.

Edit: you’re one guy that took what I said offensively on the other side of the fence. Glad you’re on that side of it, but you are .00001 percent of a 100 that we face man. I’m speaking to the other 99.9999% of your server.

Wvw is only about Zerging because 98% of the players don’t know how to player vs player. I don’t want a pvp arena…. I want there to be dudes who know what the kitten their doing running around trying to kill me and our group. This is open pvp…. I’m biased but I think Sars in previous posts said it best…. There’s 13 kittening capture points on a map or something like that…. There’s a fight at maybe 2? Or one big one?

You guys just don’t have experience fighting players. I would bet 59-60% of hat 98% are here for the first time. Here meaning in a player vs player environment. Everyone Zergs at some point in their career…. At another point in their career if they are half a whitted person, they move up the ladder….. 98% are still on rung number 1.

Acelerion.6820:

Were kind of jumping around a bit but have been running a lot of mez/ele/engi/guard/ranger

Does your guard run support or dps?

@cantur
2 points.

1. To be perfectly fair to you man NSP and HoD mostly Zerg too. This game is full of Zergs of pretty awful (skill wise) players and that’s a fact. Most people Zerg because they don’t know any different. SF just simply has more of it based on population. So don’t feel like NSP and HoD don’t. We’ve personally gotten into a bunch of disagreements with the idiots on NSP and HoD that only know how to spam #1 and follow the Doritos. You guys just have a larger base of people so it’s easy to point fingers fast (especially when they come on here and talk trash cans after runnin a muck with 20+ on grossly outnumbered people acting like they accomplished something).

2. Point number 2 is there is no difference between what zergers/point gatherers call WvW and “small group pvp”. It’s the same maps, same game mechanics, same pointless scoreboard. What is different is mentality. And unfortunately the majority (being like 98%) of the people who log in don’t want to ever really challenge themselves or compete. Thus XOXO pointing out option 1 run for ballista. they can get on, have some guy they may know or don’t know post up with his blue cool rancher… And just coast with him all night. Take a couple keeps, take some supply camps, reinact some invasion of normandy with siege and call it a successful night.

Unfortunately there is still a realm of hardcore guys that are excited about skilled competition. And in this game the only way of finding a good skilled competition…. Is by throwing yourselves to the wolves and fighting 5-7 v 20. I understand “this is paxa’s choice” but like a few others have said….. It’s impossibly sad that we can name the other groups who enjoy pushing themselves and truly competing with one hand.

How’s that for civility?

Try to organize a group to fight like this. People tell you zerging is fun and for a bit it can be. Nothing will compare once you experience this style. Good luck.

This is a video from last week. An example of what we do daily.

The person were trying to recruit wouldn’t have responded the way you guys have.