Guild Wars 2

snowaugar.1823:

Jscull.2514:

Estus.1726:

Raf.1078:

Here is what I’m reading in this thread:

My group of leet hyper skilled players cannot compete against a zerg of lesser skilled players. Therefore, ANet must tilt the game towards our type of playstyle because….

Well, this is where you guys are losing it. Cause I’ve yet to read single decent reason for tuning the game to small group play over large group play. More people zerg than play small groups.

The zerg is tkittenense of wvw. Zergs can carry more suppy for siege…can drain supply camps to deny the enemy and speed build siege on the spot for the conquest of keeps & towers.

Not to say that there isn’t a place for small group play…but not at the expense of other forms of play.

I agree. it boggles my mind that people in this thread actually wants to discourage large scale group battles in a MMORPG. What do people want? If more than 20 people are in a certain radius of each other they randomly start to drop dead?

SPVP seems to be what ANET had in mind for small groups. WvWvW IMO was designed for three massive armies to go toe to toe with each other.

Dude you act like “wvw” is the first open world system…. “this is meant for large scale battles” news flash couple other games have had open world systems… And those games allowed for Zergs to happen. They also allowed for skilled coordinated groups to smoke said Zergs if the Zergs really were filled with new players who don’t fully understand pvp. This thread is not saying don’t allow Zergs, it’s saying allow for another play style at the same time.

What I hear as a counter argument is "we in the Zerg populus enjoy our press 1 epic combat and don’t want any “leet” players to ever effect our gameplay". To use your own saying, “tough it’s wvw my 5 smoked you 20+, you guys absolutely should have beat us but didn’t and in wvw that’s how it goes”. That’s not going to happen Everytime but Anet doesn’t provide ANY chance with its current setup of 5 Aoe cap and down state.

And jsculls famous rants that have no facts in them start again

Guys that take the time and spend the focus learning classes ins and outs and build synergy groups shouldn’t be held back from playing. Same as a zerg can exist….my team should not be limited by Anet’s mechanics….and since launch we have been.

Estus.1726:

Raf.1078:

Here is what I’m reading in this thread:

My group of leet hyper skilled players cannot compete against a zerg of lesser skilled players. Therefore, ANet must tilt the game towards our type of playstyle because….

Well, this is where you guys are losing it. Cause I’ve yet to read single decent reason for tuning the game to small group play over large group play. More people zerg than play small groups.

The zerg is tkittenense of wvw. Zergs can carry more suppy for siege…can drain supply camps to deny the enemy and speed build siege on the spot for the conquest of keeps & towers.

Not to say that there isn’t a place for small group play…but not at the expense of other forms of play.

I agree. it boggles my mind that people in this thread actually wants to discourage large scale group battles in a MMORPG. What do people want? If more than 20 people are in a certain radius of each other they randomly start to drop dead?

SPVP seems to be what ANET had in mind for small groups. WvWvW IMO was designed for three massive armies to go toe to toe with each other.

Dude you act like “wvw” is the first open world system…. “this is meant for large scale battles” news flash couple other games have had open world systems… And those games allowed for Zergs to happen. They also allowed for skilled coordinated groups to smoke said Zergs if the Zergs really were filled with new players who don’t fully understand pvp. This thread is not saying don’t allow Zergs, it’s saying allow for another play style at the same time.

What I hear as a counter argument is "we in the Zerg populus enjoy our press 1 epic combat and don’t want any “leet” players to ever effect our gameplay". To use your own saying, “tough it’s wvw my 5 smoked you 20+, you guys absolutely should have beat us but didn’t and in wvw that’s how it goes”. That’s not going to happen Everytime but Anet doesn’t provide ANY chance with its current setup of 5 Aoe cap and down state.

Xom.9264:

A yes calling others forums warriors, as i guild I think you folks post more then anyone on HoD.
Argue, disagree and talk smack its perfectly normal, and healthy. I know being competitive and driven is frowned on these days, but it will serve you well in life if you can manage to do it without looking like total kittens, and even if you do come across as kittens who cares its a player vs player, guild vs guild, sever vs server sub-forum here.

my two cents

I thought/think HoD are quiters to some extent more so then other servers I have been on. I was on HoD the week of southsun, once numbers were even with FC and HoD started losing the flood gates opened commander vs commander in map chat more left then even more.
It felt like the server did not want to fight unless they had greater numbers, the PvE crowd leaving to do the new content I totally understood, it was the main WvWers that quit that week in a rage because they faced even or worst numbers I found funny. Perhaps I was wrong in thinking HoD has a larger then normal numbers of quitters, they seem to be doing fine vs SF this week.

Gotta give ET and FC this…regardless of their numbers they usually have SOME sort of team running around trying to fight. HoD mostly fairweathers. Last week was horrible, watched 4 maps having 3-4 commanders PER MAP!

That =‘s zero fun for anyone on that server, let alone for ET and FC. Zerger’s and then bragging about how “HoD owns” lol, you HoD zergers had tripple their numbers on every map.

Then again, this game is almost ALL about numbers anyways.

Honestly guys I’m not trying to troll. 2 things, first Anet SHOULD HAVE advertised this as Zerg vs Zerg ONLY and not as the newest version of “open world trifaction pvp”. It should have been 100% compared to WAR because it’s the same game run with as many as possible and capture points. NO WHERE does this meta encourage fighting players over taking capturable points.

Second, they also should have advertised this game as a starter mmo for new players. I understand some of you have gamed for years, but truth is once you actually take the time to learn your abilities and class in a game rather than leaning on “epic seige” to win fights the boringness of hiding inside a keep cuz you don’t want to die decreases. Should have been advertised as 100% casual and if you are competitive and are looking for hardcore/elite style fighting don’t bother with this game. At least 20% of their sales would have been nullified thus they didn’t say any of this. But this is how their product has developed.

Biggest problem this game has right now hands down…..ALL OF YOU FOLKS WANT TO USE SIEGE TO KILL PEOPLE RATHER THAN YOUR OWN CHARACTERS!

Because you are all casual, not competitive, and want ez mode. And pressing 1 on an AC can get you kills…and by doing nothing but pressing 1 button. Talk about lazy….

HatasGunnaHate.3627:

R.I.P small man roaming.
Please don’t be offended ;]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeJGf_25YCc

Nice vid Komies…

t8 small man was sick as hell for about 3 weeks. Anet champs blew it up. Cheers to everyone that supported and participated.

PS: Love the Man in Black song at the end Hatas.

Olven,

When an 8 year old can be told to press 1 and 2 button a bunch while moving the character forward through whatever Zerg (his own Zerg) is hitting and then spamming the loot button….while the 8 year olds Zerg wins because they simply had more people…. That is the definition of a 20+ year old doing mindless gaming. You can throw all the “tactics” crap our way, the end of the day and 8 year old can still do what 90% of this game’s population does.

Sunreva.8714:

A) One fix for zerging is to eliminate the 5 person limit AOE cap. The only concern here would be for the bad players who are incapable of avoiding red circles at their feet.

If 3 elementists are able to successfully wipe out a zerg of 30 players at a chokepoint, this would not be an example of unbalance, but rather an example of ineffective mindless playing on behalf of the zerg. But heaven forbid AOE caps are removed, then that means zergs can’t operate in mindless fashion anymore, and players within them can no longer ignore AOE dropping on their heads.

B) Also, another tweak that would help to eliminate bads roaming in huge groups, would be to make it so that capture points (camps, towers, keeps) only issue a fixed value of XP/world XP which get distributed to players in the capture radius. For example, a supply camp could be worth 5000 points (arbitrary number):
1 person captures this camp, they get 5000 points.
5 people capturing this camp get 1000 points each.
20 people capturing this camp get 250 points each.
50 people capturing this camp get 100 points each.

This concept comes down to risk versus reward. 1 player or 5 players are assuming significantly more risk in trying to take a point over the group of 20 or 50. And likewise, the smaller groups should be compensated more for doing so.

I would assume this would be easier to implement over the removal of an AOE cap as well, simply divide the fixed number of issued XP to the number of players in the capture radius. This wouldn’t completely eliminate the zerging, but would certainly diminish the REWARDS of it.

Done done and done. Call Anet tomorrow and throw your resume. I’ll do the same. Apprently these age old mmo pvp ideas are just that, an age old… Their new to them!

So simple: remove Aoe cap, scale the crap out of points for captures and kills.

Middzz.1490:

Jscull.2514:

Goat the large scale fighting blob isn’t going anywhere because on every server those 20+ mans aren’t EVER developing personal player vs player skill. 3v3s are easy buddy. WOW didn’t have this right either… Arenas are stupid because they are limited battles… 30-40% of the people that bought gw2 originally spent the 50 bucks for the TRI -FACTION OPEN WORLD pvp….. Not to just play a new Zerg vs Zerg game like WAR which failed due to the same form of player vs player…

You’ll never see it, but I would LOVE to see of that 30-40% how many have left the game. Bet you it’s astronomical.

Welcome to the internet where you can invent percentages , claim there true (from personal knowledge so accurate ),and never have to give any statistically valid source for the aforesaid .

Any argument that depends on invented percentages ,we players , the majority thinks, etc etc lines is a failure .

Buddy, go back through all the threads and see how many ex daocer’s / ex UOer’s / ex any game with open hardcore pvp from at least 4-5 years ago complained about this ez mode starter mmo and see how many are still posting. It’s an estimation. If the numbers affected you that much clearly your in the majority “starter mmo” category.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

PAXA gets a lot of attention. I’d like to shout out to KOM (HoD), BS (ET) and Yarr (FC).

I’ve been melted by KOM faster than I could blink. Yarr has great roamers. The ranger and guardians are amazing. I had fun watching a thief distract HoD and gank people all night. I loved running with Basic and taking on much bigger groups.

A bit sad that T8 roaming has broken up. I hope y’all get back together soon.

That was the best 3 weeks of “player vs player” that existed in this game in 10-11 months. We actually had guild 5-8 mans roaming looking to blow up Zergers an other guild 5-8 mans. Guilds were held accountable for winning or losing fights…. Awesome.

Anet came swoopin in and blew it all up. Cuz the zergers cried and cried all the way home to Anet HQ. “take the skill out of wvw Anet because we don’t like losing to players who are actually more focused/more experienced/better then us, that’s not the casual game you promised us that we love so much……it’s unfair this is our first mmo don’t let those guys be able to compete with us, the almighty zergers….” and poof just like that Anet waved the wand.

Goat the large scale fighting blob isn’t going anywhere because on every server those 20+ mans aren’t EVER developing personal player vs player skill. 3v3s are easy buddy. WOW didn’t have this right either… Arenas are stupid because they are limited battles… 30-40% of the people that bought gw2 originally spent the 50 bucks for the TRI -FACTION OPEN WORLD pvp….. Not to just play a new Zerg vs Zerg game like WAR which failed due to the same form of player vs player…

You’ll never see it, but I would LOVE to see of that 30-40% how many have left the game. Bet you it’s astronomical.

The Goat.1940:

why do people continue to believe WvW is meant to be balanced? If you don’t have the numbers to compete with a larger group then don’t engage them. There are more ppl in large groups than small groups … so what that just means a majority of people like to run in large groups. really I like to run with my guild sometimes we can field 30 ppl sometimes we field 5 to 10. There are some guilds that field 50+ they are organized and in some sort of voice com. don’t QQ just because we want to play with our friends in large organized groups. I personally think if you don’t want to encounter large groups then go sPvP or PvE or…. log out.

Sorry, but i 100% guarantee “zerging” is the ONLY form of pvp you have ever achieved success in. Once you can win fights without a zerg, actual solid pvper’s never go back to zerging. In fact the number relied upon to win fights decreases as skill increases. Otherwise, you wouldnt stick with your 20+. It’s like the FORD commercial “WRAP YOUR BRAIN AROUND THAT!”

PAXA is looking for a fulltime 5th member. Fulltime being defined as basically logging in every night, 5 nights a week (weekends are more random). We run a grp synergy build and are looking for a dps warrior or a burst shatter mesmer. We avoid our own zergs, and look for kills 100% of the time. We use the wvw platform for PLAYER VS PLAYER not the “zerg around for pointless points” gig.

We are willing to help move you to our server to get you acclimated with the group ASAP. PST in game or via forums if interested. Thanks.

The games group size is 5. (wish it was 8 people) 25 people is a Zerg in any mmo with pvp.

We run with 5. There’s a new concept for everyone.

Just so HoD’s expectations of us are consistent and realistic, you can count on us NOT participating on maps with more than a “commander” or two. Brutal. All it does is promote the other 2 servers to ball up and mindlessly follow your paths of “conquer” retaking what all you “commanders” just retook.

No thanks.

Webster describes bad players in the dictionary as “Plays Ranger Class”

Just an fyi, Fridays are HANDS DOWN the worst day to play. Terrible, maps all green….20+ mans everywhere. FULL of players like Katz and the [PK] warriors.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jscull.2514:

What about putting out videos of 5 rolling 15+? is that ok?

I enjoy any video that shows good fighting, no matter which way things go. I tend to learn more from watching fail videos than the epic battle videos, but those can be good too.

5 rolling 15+ would be awesome to see.

I posted a video yesterday of that. I know you are usually against what we stand for / say but take a look. It’s either on this page or previous.

Tbh, don’t really have any interest fighting 10 mans of players who could run 5. Simple math at that point.

At least my cousin doesn’t post for me.

Iavra.8510:

We did some group vs group actions yesterday and i think we did fairly well with our group:

2 guardians
2 d/d eles
1 mesmer

After a ~5 min fight i still had about 30s of Protection on me

Mesmer timewarp is important in GvG to get a quick first stomp.

Without opposing a good necro, you SHOULD win with that setup. Two of the hardest classes to kill in the game. Tanky/bunkery group right there. Thus your five minute long fight. Not a ton of dps, but no one can kill you. Good for Zergs, not so glorified for 5v5.

Oozo,

2 things pal. Either quit on the forums to save urself time energy and stress, or just realize those guilds you mentioned are full of carebearing players who don’t understand what real pvp looks like, they know how to play to win (regardless of skill or talent) and talk kitten later. Their never going to own up to anything, so just chalk em off as “when we die, well just play by Anets rules……and bring more people”

It’s so funny we get crap for “jumping small groups”……………………………… We’re running 5 people!!!!!

All of you goons in groups of more than 5 should be able to compete and stand a chance against our group. Stop whining because you die.

Ungood,
At the end of the day, forum crap aside, you run in 10-30+ because when you come across a group like ours, unless you have that many… You don’t even compete in the fight. It’s over and you’re paying for repairs before you knew what [tag] hit you.

You are in the 90% of the games population that think wvw was only made to be played for pppptpttt or whatever. That it is better to avoid good players and good groups to live than to fight them and ever improve your own skill. I’ll be sure to look for “Ungood” in a “I never thought I’d get bored of wvw, but I am” thread on the forums.

Ungood.3054:

HatasGunnaHate.3627:

Ungood.3054:

obastable.5231:

FC & ET guys insult their own small man teams when they insult PAXA. there are teams on all 3 of our servers that are very capable of doing these things with 5 or less players, and that go out and do it nearly every day.

i don’t understand why people put PAXA down.

i really don’t.

Allow me to explain.

While other teams move about the maps, they are moving from Objective to Objective , IE: Looking to claim or defend Camps, Keeps, Towers, to win or secure points for their side and thus ensure Victory for their server. Fighting and engaging players other players is a secondary concern, or a course hazard if you will.

If these groups overrun or kill a single player, it was a case of wrong place, wrong time for that player, and I’ll admit, I have felt bad about steamrolling some player as they come out of a camp while we are moving towards it to claim it, but none the less, the player was in our path, and thus they were killed. But in the end of things, that was not the groups intent to gank that player, that was not why they went out to fight that day, or why they play WvW. Their goal is to claim points for their side via objective holding and capping.

Then, you have PAXA that goes out just looking to gank players.

We had a guild here on ET, called Agg, (They transferred down to T8) they were a 10 – 15 man guild that would Zerg Hunt, they did what Paxa tries to do. They would go out with their small group and fight zergs 4 to 5 times their size, and win. Now Agg moved up to where they belong again, because T8 was not really a challenge for them, so, if PAXA thinks they are anywhere near efficient of even good because they can gank players on T8.. Ummm.. well..

Spend 10 minutes in PAXA vent. They aren’t out there to “Gank players” They are out there to find other small groups and have competitive fights.

If that was the case they would sPvP, not WvW. Unless they could not handle sPvP. There is always that.

Spvp is terrible…its not fun….and its not even deathmatch. I dont care about who can hold a circle longest….i care about KILLING OTHER PLAYERS. Get the point dude.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Wait, wait. So folks complaining about getting ganked by “small group” 5v1 is ok. But their 5 man “small group” getting ganked by a server zerg is not ok?

LOL

What about putting out videos of 5 rolling 15+? is that ok?

Runamok.9638:

Linanthony.1809:

Think of it this way guys. If PAXA was on your server, would you dislike them?

No way, just like they like to play the game their own way, so do I. To each their own. These forums are pure entertainment, what happens here means nothing. Nothing important ever happens here.

I love that you have been killed by us and are clearly bent out of shape. Cheers!

Come to think of it, youre probably in one of those [TAC], [MAV], [TTA] guilds we have beat over 10+ all week with 5.

Ungood.3054:

Runamok.9638:

I play WvW. If I wanted to PvP I would go play in that sandbox. This is large scale war fare, World vs. World with objectives and strategy. I don’t go take troops to go kill stragglers. I try to stop them from doing it, not that many of them bother to listen. It’s a waste of resources and takes away from our goal at hand. Don’t get me wrong, I am all about the fights. I fight with with an actual purpose in mind. Not to just jack some random kid for lunch money because he happened to be in my way. I don’t play this game like a punk kitten.

Personally, I laugh my butt off when I read about people want 5 man groups. or small man groups, but don’t sPvP, they go to wvw. I mean really, Anet builds an entire system just for small group battles and people run off to WvW wanting small group battles? What the? Seriously, like What the?

I mean if they were talking “small group battles” to mean 20 vs 20, like they do on the upper tiers, then I could see where they are coming from, guilds like Agg, and VK, now moved up to where they belong, were “small group” but, they were still in the 10 – 15 range for a “small group” which is way too large for sPvP, but when you see people go Oh we do 5 man small groups" for WvW you have got to question why, and the only real answer you can come up with, is their small group can’t really handle other small groups like sPvP teams that do the same thing. So they go to WvW to kill the random soloer and feel all mighty about themselves. And we are supposed to do anything more then laugh and sigh at this kind of antic.

Meh, anyway, no big either way, They need to camp a soloer because that is all they can handle, then that is.. what is.

Clearly you have ZERO idea where we are coming from. That’s ok, its a 100 step ladder and you are around rung 5 in the “tiering” of pvp skill.

Edit: So I don’t just come off as a “hater” I will reiterate something for you, PAXA actually enjoys FIGHTING good to better players than ourselves. We challenge ourselves against large numbers, but have more fun fighting small groups of equal or better personal skill. We have no interest in PPPTTTT or whatever you guys call it. We picked up GW2 because it’s the closest open world platform to DAOC in 5-7 years. We are here to compete daily, not socialze, PPPTTT, or “gank solos” lol.

Runamok.9638:

I play WvW. If I wanted to PvP I would go play in that sandbox. This is large scale war fare, World vs. World with objectives and strategy. I don’t go take troops to go kill stragglers. I try to stop them from doing it, not that many of them bother to listen. It’s a waste of resources and takes away from our goal at hand. Don’t get me wrong, I am all about the fights. I fight with with an actual purpose in mind. Not to just jack some random kid for lunch money because he happened to be in my way. I don’t play this game like a punk kitten.

I think my last post was the most diplomatic of all time from me. Last time I’m giving you that respect. It’s called wvw, because you’re new you take it ultra literally. It’s an open world tri-faction platform that for the most part is open to do what groups feel like doing. Please don’t try to tell me we play the game wrong because we don’t sit on arrow carts on walls trying to “deter” some Zerg of new to moderately new players. To us that’s like getting a toothbrush in the eye.

Our objective my friend is to smOke whoever we see with as few deaths as possible. Just because this play style is a new concept to most of you, does NOT mean its new to the mmo industry.

Runamok.9638:

If I had 5s for everytime I have watched PAXA jump a random straggler in WvW or the forums I would have Commander Tags on all my characters. Unparalleled skills abound. You bring a lot to WvW gameplay. The constant chest thumping and trolling on forums always makes my LOL tho. Keep up the good work. I enjoy reading the same posts over and over each match-up thread.

Since playing gw2 I’ve discovered just how many truely new players to player vs player open world environments there are here. Sometimes it’s baffling seeing as its a 15 year old mmo platform. That is why I won’t hound you right now for having your perspective…. The answer is you and 90% of gw2 are not used to what we do in mmo’s. That’s ok, I’ll help you get a better perspective:
1. We log on with every intention of grouping up and heading straight to pvp.
2. Our entire focus is kill what’s red.
3. We focus on killing as many people as possible with the greatest efficiency.
4. Run a core same 5 guys to build synergy.
5. Give credit to teams engaged and focused like we are.
6. AVOID our own adds as we do not want any excuses for why we won other than our own groups play (that’s a new concept to over 3/4’s of the games population.
7. Drive with the intention of best positioning our 5 for a solid quick strike, with an exit strategy when it gets 3-4x our number.
8. Do it every night because going 30-1 or 60-1 kill to death ratio is what we compete for.

I hope this paints a better picture for you so you don’t just think we are ganging up on the back peddling solo ranger. He was simply in our sights and in our way.

Cheers to BS and Deth for giving us some good goes. Was some good old school backyard brawlin tnite. DAOC DAYS!

Poxheart.2845:

Speaking from experience, do not try running a Necro heavy group in WvW.

Lol, yea you dont need more than one necro. But putting your best player on necro isnt a bad idea, they can kitten man.

Any server have this biatch open?

Well no one in PAXA is trying to win a beauty pageant man. We arent here to ask for votes…

x FERGUSON.3046:

^ first off, you say that you jumped us while we were escorting a dolyak. not much of a gvg in my mind. if you want to have a real one whisp me in game and we’ll plan a 5v5.

and to blades, you complain about guards that do the same thing over and over when all you do is stleath stack bleeds, auto attack, drop caltrops, stealth stack bleeds, auto attack, STACK BLEEDS STACK BLEEDS STACK BLEEDS. I would know, im using your build remember.

Im only posting this to prove something, we didn’t jump you. Jumping you would have been thief housing at the shore, and speeding to you stealthed. We ran from the shore, in OPEN sight right to 10 people. I’m sorry but we dont play “lets sit around the dolyak at all costs even when we are dying”.

aathomas.4638:

For small group you want at least 1 Healing Guardian and the rest as more DPS builds, as long as you know how to play together.

Bunker Ele is not a good idea for a small man group, most of the time they are just ignored.

No bunker builds, you’ll take to long to kill when outnumbered to the point where the enemy will be growing faster then you finish them and when you fight another 5 small group you won’t do enough to splash damage to out damage the healing Guardian.

I agree. I can understand running bunker builds for newer to the group setup and 5 man style players, BUT once you have graduated past knowing how each other play, and how to assist and stomp….then your advice is right on, no bunkers. The support guard is the bunker….build your group around that.

Problem for game creators is if they make games challenging and actually really difficult, the majority of players cant and wont take the time, effort, and patience to figure out best ways to win. Every game since UO and Daoc has gotten RIDICULOUSLY easier in everything from Mobs you kill to the number of abilities available to one class.

It’s called EZ mode and it is extremely boring, but the 85-90% majority of mmo’ers want it because they want a “casual dont have to try hard to do anything” game. Well, you got it, and look at all the crying. Been crying for past 4-6 years of mmo’s because they ALL get easier.

Back on topic,

Here is a video last night of some fights in t8.

Get a guardian in group.

subcrazy.1098:

Was fun last night. We got a message saying deth was going to own us in a GvG fight, we found them and here are the results. Found out later they want to run 6 guards vs us tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Mt628kNcU

Thanks to [KoM]‘s Awakened and [GT]’s Tetra for running as our fifth last night, some great fights. Especially against that “We’d smash them GvG”, thanks for the evidence.

My favorite is Teivo is still referred to as a “she” ….. with incomplete sentences that leave all the articles out. He gets other people to write their sentences the same way lol….how does that not make any of you laugh?

Glaeser.8015:

I’m sure it’s being put in to break up some of the more long-standing match ups in every tier, cause people likely get bored fighting the same servers/guilds all the time.

Unfortunately it also spells doom for this project, theoretically. It might not be TOO bad though, even if it shifts every week it should only be the T7/T8 servers cycling in and out, and you could probably encourage the small groups on those other servers to get on board with your project by designating one of the BLs each night as the roaming zone, as has been suggested/used before. Biggest issue comes from say HoD moving up, then PAXA and KoM are screwed for however long it takes to get back down. To keep the utopia going you might have to increase your influence to all the T7/8 servers. Granted that all depends on how often it’s going to shift, and is quite the idealistic feat.

Good luck,

Failing to see how KoM and PAXA would be screwed when both 5 mans would just pay to move back to the tier. Its about the fights, not the money. Thanks for the luck.

What Anet doesn’t understand is we don’t care about the zergs….If we were promoting zerg busting tier we would have named it that, and not moved guilds to t8. We’re talking about small man vs small man….5 aoe cap allows for zerg busting to effectively not be fun regardless.

We shall see how this turns out, pretty vague description (as expected) from Anet.

Sirendor.1394:

My team would join in but we’re not willing to split off from our guild on gandara :/

If [OB] runs a dedicated group, I would consider it man. There are at least 4-6 small man (3-8 players) running every night. All of them have built class specific groups to put their best effort into winning.

There are still zergs, but they are way more manageable than any of the other tiers. Since we started this “small man movement” 3 weeks ago, we have had 4 5-mans xfer to the tier. The competition is growing each day in quality of fighting as well. Fighting 20 with 5 can be fun for a while and we have that option here……but we also have the DAILY small man competitive platform in open world roaming fights.

Xom.9264:

On a side note two eles two guards in a roaming team should be outlawed, holy 100% stability and protection uptime batman.

Im looking at you PAXA.

QQ

That isnt our normal setup, just who we had rollin last night.
Edit: One ele was [KoM] fill in.

Ungood.3054:

atomicjellybean.5389:

Sigh it’s ok it’s ok, say what you must, but you’re going to be stuck here in the slum for…. awhile… Same with us too so this will be so much fun!

Not really. I mean no offence, but, I keep mistaking you guys for PAXA, except you die much easier.

You must have been one of the 15 rangers that came out at us at the north camp. Brotherhood guild? Lol, we usually gather 15 to kill 4 as well.

Wanted to give props this week to alot of teams who gave [PAXA] good shows on the field of battle: [BS], [Invi], [iQ], [SeT], [Deth], [and the 15 from The Brotherhood].

It has been a refreshing environment having real hunting and fights outside of walled objectives.

Should be spread out via group. And by that I mean the Max player allowed group being 5. If someone in your group tags an enemy, you get a piece of the pie divided by 5 and scaled to how much they actually did to the target. Cc shouldn’t awar you any wxp. It needs to be based off kills. And it should scale. Take away the crap of tag as many as possible and introduce “actually earn” the wxp. It should be group centered. Just because the 10 teals around me tagged an enemy, if my grp did 70-80% of the kill, they should get basically nothing.

You guys would have hated Daoc lol. Took months to gain one rank. This is too easy.

Darek.1836:

Jscull.2514:

Talia.7412:

Rattlehead.1476:

Talia.7412:

Ungood.3054:

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Hey Eredon Terrace and Fergs should just marry each other.
that way you can crawl on the bottom together, or hell maybe you’ll get somewhere!

You must be new here, allow me to provide you a heads up, we have been in the bottom tier together long before you or HoD showed up.

We are more like siblings at this point, we have our petty spats, but in the end, we are stuck together.

Gives a whole new meaning to double teaming when guild [BS] from ET insist on not capping anything in our BL in order to solely defend FC camps and towers. ET, don’t you want to come in 2nd?

Just be sure you’re not mixing the ET Basic[BS] guild up with the Fergs Bloody Swagmen[BS] same tag yet completely different guilds. Just thought I’d mention that since we made a bit of a habit of defending what we took in your BL to keep the PPT as long as possible

It was definitely ET’s BS. I would’ve been less surprised if it was FC. To wreckz, ofc you dont rep your entire server, thats why i specifically mentioned your guild. Seems like most times i encounter your peeps, they’re not doing much to help your server’s score. Picking random fights seems to miss the point of wvw but to each his own lol

You don’t quite fully understand what WvW is. It is a platform for player vs player, and player vs door at the same time. [BS] / [Invi] / [OINK] / [KoM] / [PAXA] / (Sometimes [FoE] / (sometimes [SeT], DO NOT play the pvdoor version of WvW. All you zergers seem to think that the “real” way to play wvw is pvdoor and to get points. Wrong. That is A way to play it, we chose the more fulfilling / challenging route of player vs player. We’re all also from a different era of mmo’s. We actually like using more than 3 abilities per fight. We usually use somewhere in the range of 30-40 abilities in 1 minute? Maybe less time?

So yea to each his own. We wont be helping our server’s anytime soon.

Idk why there can’t be a balance of both. I like to think that I go for all aspects of WvW, including running with zergs, structured 15mans, structured 5 mans, solo roaming, and setting up siege and upgrading alone after a tower is capped. I think switching between different types of gameplay is what has kept me playing almost every day for several hours in WvW since launch.

Sorry but there is no rush from taking a tower. There is probably 1/8th the brain power used that it takes to win a fight against as good or better players. I’m not here to waste my time or my guilds time on 1/8 brain power activities.
8 year olds can log on throw seige down and spam 2 buttons. We’ve moved past that rung on the mmo ladder.