I love you guys who can’t figure out why there wouldn’t be any objectives on this map. “I don’t get it, why would anyone want to go to a map with no pve to do????” Signed….. – 99.9999999% of Anets customers.
Substantially more gold / wxp earned as the teammates around you decreases in number per kill. Scale THE kittenTTTTTT out of it. You want to Zerg go ahead, much less rewards. You roam and kick butt at fighting other players, you are rewarded per kill much more. Oh wait, that’s an idea that’s been in mmo pvp since mmos were created…
Bitter much?
Instead of hating on the way other people enjoy playing, it would be smarter to focus on how to increase rewards for roamers.
For almost a year now you have made comments on posts immediately after I’ve written them. Lol, fanboy.
Substantially more gold / wxp earned as the teammates around you decreases in number per kill. Scale THE kittenTTTTTT out of it. You want to Zerg go ahead, much less rewards. You roam and kick butt at fighting other players, you are rewarded per kill much more. Oh wait, that’s an idea that’s been in mmo pvp since mmos were created…
So you are a zerg guild that likes to fight other zerg guilds, how unique.
25 a Zerg? Riiiiiiight. Even in lower tiers no one would say that but to each his own
Anyone that has hardcore background in gaming, will tell you 25 is a Zerg. Lol… Anything over 8 isn’t fun to run with…. Anything over 10 is a Zerg. 25 people to get some kills? Good players rely on less people than that… Fact.
Where are the 5-man roaming groups on Mag these days? Getting swarmed everywhere.
When you get a 5man logged in and geared to run, or even an 8man… Then u roll out and on every BL what you find is a mob of 40 listening to one idiot in a voice comm yelling which door is next to bang on and to “stack”…. Then you log off and probably don’t group up for another week or two, or a month.
Nope. Gvg takes so little skill it’s sick. Instead of wanting to fight doors, all you zergers now want to fight people. That’s a start. Thats where you should have started your gw2 experience but because they acquire sooooo many starter mmoers nothing could be done about this process.
That being said, relying on 19 other guys, is infinitely easier than killing the same 20 with 5-8 guys. Funny thing about all you “Paxa haters” / other real 5 -8 man guilds is we all have videos killing what takes you guys 20. Where’s your videos of your 5 killing 20? Oh wait, it takes you two hours to organize and grab kitten , special helmets, and 20 guys to do it.
We just log on run and make it happen. Enjoy any video of some 8 man guild ruining every gvg we see. Started with last night.
It is fantastic the “gvgers” are all bum hurt. Learn to play in open field, not a set up fight.
None of you know how to drive, how to call the right targets, and win outmanned fights in open field uncontrollable circumstances. That is why you all set up “even” fights lol. Man up and stop setting up carebear land behind the windmill running in circles spamming aoe to “areas” lol. I wear my RA kitten helmet when I play too.
Because GvG guilds don’t fight outmanned.. LOL Ask Agg, EP, RE how many times they’vefought outnumbered in the past week. It’s north of 20 btw..
Sorry but sitting around for 2 hours to make 3 videos of a spam aoe special helmet fest is not fun, nor impressive. You take the majority of those “gvg” clubs and bring them down to 5v5 or 8v8, and theyll get worked.
Edit: or theyll show up with cheese group makeups, also not impressive lol.
Here is the thing, If we put together a team of 20, we wouldnt lose….how could you ever lose with 20 people…thats called over abundance.
I don’t recall asking you to validate if it was “fun” or “impressive”, you made a point that they are here for ‘even’ fights. I’ve never seen any GvG guild turn down a fight, even when outmanned 80 to 30, my rebuttal, which you cleverly dodged, proved you wrong.
So.. put together a 20 man team and “destroy everyone”.. oh wait you quit the game, so why are you here again?
First off lol I dont even know who you are, but you know who I am.
Second, I didnt dodge a thing. We came to GW2 to fight people in less than 10 environments. So far, that just isnt what most people want to do. In fact, 95% of the people “GvGing” 5 months ago would have said it was horribly dumb and a waste of time not “ppting”. But they got so bored now its time for the next stage in their pvp experience….“gvg”.
Sitting around for 2 hours to make 3 videos of aoe spam fest sounds worse than the ppt game. When you guys get to play an actual pvp game, you will learn so fast, just how Good you thought you were in GW2 means donky donk anywhere else.
They are just doing what makes money. People have mentioned they spend 100+ $ a month in pve forums. Those are the whales, and Its who anet is targeting. Wvw is just a sloppy afterthought
WvW could be the ‘whales’ though if they actually had competitive matches and balanced mechanics such that people cared about PPT and the way the game was meant to be played.
Because so much of the above is a joke and people only want to ‘find good fights’ or else farm WXP, the mode has much less meaning in terms of encouraging people to buy gems or invest tons of gold in helping their server.
Right now its more of a selfish mode where players come in looking to get whatever fun out of it as an individual, and thus, do not want to pour resources into it. And it doesn’t help that WvW rewards still pale in comparison to PVE, as far as how much gold you earn and such.
Fighting players should be the focus of wvw. Not ppt. PvE is boring as hell. Start relying on less guys to win fights…and youll have more fun. THAT is Guaranteed.
It is fantastic the “gvgers” are all bum hurt. Learn to play in open field, not a set up fight.
None of you know how to drive, how to call the right targets, and win outmanned fights in open field uncontrollable circumstances. That is why you all set up “even” fights lol. Man up and stop setting up carebear land behind the windmill running in circles spamming aoe to “areas” lol. I wear my RA kitten helmet when I play too.
Because GvG guilds don’t fight outmanned.. LOL Ask Agg, EP, RE how many times they’vefought outnumbered in the past week. It’s north of 20 btw..
Sorry but sitting around for 2 hours to make 3 videos of a spam aoe special helmet fest is not fun, nor impressive. You take the majority of those “gvg” clubs and bring them down to 5v5 or 8v8, and theyll get worked.
Edit: or theyll show up with cheese group makeups, also not impressive lol.
Here is the thing, If we put together a team of 20, we wouldnt lose….how could you ever lose with 20 people…thats called over abundance.
Once another game comes out, and 60% at LEAST of Anets customers bail….you watch. Amazing how much can change when the $$$$ leaves the building. Weird how that works.
1. AoE cap is there as a crutch for terrible players not to get discouraged by dying to 5x smaller their number like has happened in other games.
2. Downed state is the BIGGEST CRUTCH in gaming history besides stealth that allows players “ill-equipped” for many of the fights they find themselves in to have a SIGNIFICANT chance of still winning.
You guys have your “PR ways” of getting around these two blatant reasons, but these are fact. The “server cant handle shtick” is just that, a shtick. It isnt true. Sorry I’m not sorry about pointing that out.
Now we need all you roamed to start organizing 5-8 mans and stop relying on 15. Then it’ll get nasty in these ruins… 5 or 6 5-8 man teams running through there looking to wallop each other. Much better direction then dueling and setting up fights. Roam around find them, win them.
What are you used to? Gw2 is one of the “smoothest” combat games I have played. Balance doesn’t exist, and just like every other game in the past 5-7 years most people run “stay alive at all costs” builds due to fear of ridicule via losing.
99% of the population play the game to win. Winning at all cost. Less than 1% try to challenge themselves outside of a realm of comfort (comfort being guaranteeing numbers for victory surrounding them).
That all being said, it does offer a platform for “open” pvp. My suggestion, ask around for people who think, play, have backgrounds in gaming like you…. And stick with them.
The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.
Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.
Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.
So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.
Stacking is how you keep safe as a not-so-good player with 2-3 players focusing on JUST YOU. Stacking “prevents” that. And Anet’s mechanic of an AoE cap prevents the stacking from making a group vulnerable to AoE bombing ONE AREA.
^^^^100% of the reason people stack in this game.
The best players in the world will die to focus fire from semi-intelligent players, so your point is moot. Stacking is for heals and keeping everyone’s heads in the game. If you need to stack because you’re bad, maybe that’s a personal problem
False. The best players in the world will not die to focus fire from people who are only semi-intelligent. That’s not even close to true.
The reason why groups stack is to reach the AoE cap and reduce damage. It’s also important to do mid-fight to “reset” the fight. What I mean by this, is that the regrouping allows everyone to heal up to full HP via water field blasts and gain almost full stacks of might via empower. In a sense, it returns your party to the condition it was in before the fight even started.
Regardless of it’s many benefits, stacking makes for boring meta, it is greatly over used, often at the expense of momentum and positioning, and in my opinion is used more as a crutch for bad positioning and movement, than its tactical advantages.
Lastly, people need to understand that there is a very big difference between a hammer train and a balanced comp. The fact that 4 warriors use hammers in a 15-man comp doesn’t make it a hammer train. Not even close, to be honest.
So over 26% of the group is using hammers, but that isn’t a hammer train? Where is the magical cut off, 80%? You are taking the term too literally anyway, it is more about the heavy defense ball formation with hammers, at 4 I would argue the number of hammers is irrelevant as far as the label goes.
Stacking is how you keep safe as a not-so-good player with 2-3 players focusing on JUST YOU. Stacking “prevents” that. And Anet’s mechanic of an AoE cap prevents the stacking from making a group vulnerable to AoE bombing ONE AREA.
^^^^100% of the reason people stack in this game.
Edit: you know how many people would have quit this game if when they stacked, a group 4-5x less their size absolutely dropped them and everyone else around because of no aoe cap? Thus, the AoE cap. It’s all about keeping those custies.
i used to think gvg’s are bad for a server, then i tried it. it’s fun. probably the only reason why some of my guildies play gw2.
When Anet asks why the top tier (and I don’t mean server tier) guilds left this game and chose not to participate in this rookie atmosphere, it’s because of people like this guy. "used to think player vs player fights were bad for a server… It only took me a whole year and then some months to discover fighting actual players is more fun than sitting on some seige pressing 2 buttons and feeling “epic”.
Good god they couldn’t have created more of a “starter pvper’” atmosphere if they tried.
It’s pathetic all you zergers NOW want to fight players…. It’s only been a year and some.
Boulder where does anything direct your thinkin towards smaller groups fighting smaller groups?
Seriously man, a year and some of the same crap. Don’t know how you are optimistic. The competitive natured guilds have all left. All that’s left is just bad Zergers fighting bad zergers….
Vena, were playin another game and I come here to bash Anet and the carebears for what a “just like the past 5-6 games” catastrophe this has been.
It’s funny it’s always the same 5-6 guys who are “appalled” at what I write because I shed light to the table of what a sad reality the “wvw competitive” platform is. It’s just a sad excuse to be the “only mmo worth playing” lol. Every single REAL competitive guild we knew has left except SPCA. (and I’ll clarify competitive, people that only log on to kill players and run under 8 players everyday).
Every single guild has left. Most left before we did. And now it’s just a combination of zergers who have never experienced anything else, and guys like you who are so bought into Anets “meta” you fear loss of breath if it ever ceased from your computer screen. Lol news flash pal, that meta is for extreme rookies.
Enjoy playing against guys who admit they sit on seige for chunks of RL time to play the “meta”……pressing 1-2 keys. EXCUSE ME, clicking 1-2 buttons.
Why make the game reward anyone doing mindless activity? That’s why there is a mass exodus, why the competitive guilds we knew left, it’s why we left. Just geared for 8 year olds to win.
Rewarding players for pressing 2-3 buttons to achieve “victory” has conditioned the mmo population to think cookie cutter games like gw2 are challenging and even worse, “worth spending money” on.
First problem. Spending 15 RL minutes on a treb pressing one button. I’d rather be homeless in the winter time than do something that mind numbing. At least being homeless you could feel something, like being cold. Pressing one button for 15 minutes gives one finger feeling and the rest of your body jack kitten. Lol god this game is just a haven for people who don’t like to think.
Havent you guys ever played games where this didnt happen? Where you got updates? And expansions and actual tangible enhancements to pvp? Lol, not in Anet land.
Our small skirmish guild is effectively dead. We have two active WvW members left. Granted most of us have put in well over 1k hours into the game but stale WvW and boring PvE has pushed our members into other games. Hopefully a big patch will hit and bring them back course with the latest class changes to WvW I have been thinking it is time for a break.
For anyone who has a brain that patch would have to involve the increase of aoe cap and some fixing of downed state, if not totally removed.
The lower tiers have 2 options, quit the game or move up. The player community is naturally merging servers….because its boring as hell and the lower tiers just dont have the population due to people leaving the game.
Yes they are terribly designed but for some reason everybody here feels it necessary to defend the status quo and claim their “skills”.
In past games abilities like this were usually limited in power and scope. This game is so simple that it’s mostly just dodge/run/dps…. so if you barb something like DPS with large amounts of damage it’s a whole lot of “what do I do now exactly, run away?”
You can’’t even heal yourself if you’re under confusion…. and you can’t choose not to AE in this game to avoid retaliation unless you just quit attacking.
Single targeting for teams takes solid coordination.
They wanted the game to be playeable by 8 year olds who want to see slot machines of dmg numbers being done so literally every attack is some monstrous AoE. Good lord. I will tell you this, once you start playing another game without aoe cap and actual healers its like refreshing air after being trapped in a cave for a year.
B/c they wanted to make it some big time stage esport, and they failed hard cuz capture the circle can be done by anyone.
It literally takes zero skill to go online, find the fotm bunker build, and go “literally cannot be killed” in a circle.
How stupid. How about bad kitten 5v5-8v8 deathmatches that arent over after the first loss. Apparently everyone NOT working for Anet i.e. the customers can actually come up with better ideas than their design team lol.
After reading all the feedback, we’re happy to announce our big enhancement of your pvp experience. We are introducing more pve (almost as good as our living story content) for pvp. We suspect that will elevate your overall experience!
In theory, 15 guys can hit all 5, but 5 can only hit 5. Where in all that is good in this world does this make sense?
“ohhhh retaliationnnnnn” lol… No its a horrible mechanic sorry. It is the bad players BEST defense. As if hiding in 15 people wasn’t enough defense, you need to limit how many your enemy can hit of the 15 as well. Just brutal
If you can take an entire year of trying to overcome terrible
Mechanics and Zergballs…. Then props to you man. We couldn’t take literally the exact same outcome anymore.
Setting up fights is for rookies. Almost ALL the GvGers crying on the forums were Zerging their hearts out from door to door couple months ago. They are just realizing it is more fun fighting actual players than doors and npcs. GvGs are literally the same fight Everytime. No spontaneity, no uncontrolled factors, no randomness, and 14-19 other guys to rely on. I don’t need 14-19 guys to rely on to play my toon to the fullest capability. And the guys in my guild are the same way.
Guilds have asked us to join their gvg teams…. It’s just setup fights. Takes all the fun of driving, panning, positioning on a map, bomb runs, And single target training out of competitive play. It’s just Aoe this area, aoe over here, Now Aoe over here… Big kitten cluster **** of Aoe. Zerging on a more organized level. Hopefully someday all these folks that are “give usssss gvgggggg plzzzzz”ing take it to open field and really man up.
Moody blues,
Reread most of my posts. I said 90% in just about every single one of my posts. We consider ourself to be in the .01% of the games population.
That being said, yea it’s frustrating this game caters to people who want to reinact lord of the rings and think they are general patton.
Sorry I’m not here to role play. If I’m gonna spend a couple hours a night not doing RL, I’m gonna kick some kitten in what I am doing. Sitting on trebs, fighting those tough keep doors, and running around with 40 people isn’t exactly kickin kitten and is certainly nothing to brag about.
and beating people who do not normally pvp is something to brag about?
No. In fact, to reiterate a bunch of other posts I’ve already written, there is zero competition in this game, that is why we left. Because this game let’s bad players win fights in any other game they wouldn’t have last 5 seconds. E z m o d e.
Moody blues,
Reread most of my posts. I said 90% Of the games populsation in just about every single one of my posts isnt like us. We consider ourself to be in the .01% of the games population.
That being said, yea it’s frustrating this game caters to people who want to reinact lord of the rings and think they are general patton.
Sorry I’m not here to role play. If I’m gonna spend a couple hours a night not doing RL, I’m gonna kick some kitten in what I am doing. Sitting on trebs, fighting those tough keep doors, and running around with 40 people isn’t exactly kickin kitten and is certainly nothing to brag about.
^^
Dude, its a video game. Of course 90% of the people on it are there for some mindless entertainment. We then revert to a thing known by the locals as “real life” and pursue our true passions.
funny part is, we can accomplish this is 2-3 hours spent after work a night. I never said devote endless amounts of time…lol. These games are so easy.
RL of course is more important, it just fun to come home from work, and absolutley demolish people. We never even play weekends, just weeknights. The guy asked my definition of a true pvper.
And you think these kinds of people have left GW2?
Now that right there is what we call “A Gooooo Won” (translation a good one).
That kind of player bought the game, played it, realized its a WARhammer remake filled again with $$$ spending 8 year olds….tried pvp, realized its AoE cap and downed state caters to bad players being able to win, to keep the games population up because they get to “win” fights theyd lose in other games….and Gaaaabye, they left.
If you dont believe me, read through this thread and count all the times people said “I knew some people, who have now left”
There is ZERO competition in this game. ZERO competitive natured people. Sitting on an AC for 3 hours or some treb isnt competitive, its lazy and boring. Hence the 8 yr old can do this reference.
I deleted my post because i combed through your history and felt it wrong to try and put words in your mouth.
If you find that the floor is lifted up by downed state and aoe cap then that is a call for you to play better to out-do the bads who have mechanical support.
There are plenty of competitive natured people still in WvW, a lot of US are frustrated by the current metas. We who remain keep challenging ourselves while advocating for Anet to move the game in ways that we think will promote competition and challenge. I don’t personally sit and sift through the forums arguing and pontificating but i do consult and speak with those who do. There are plenty of pvpers like you describe still here, i will agree we are the minority but that doesn’t mean you have to turn a blind eye to us.
“plenty of competitive natured people still in WvW” competing against Doors and Oh, sorry NPC’s too…We compete against people.
And we don’t? Seriously there are plenty of people in my small group of WvW friends that make a concerted effort to seek challenges and improve our play against OTHER PEOPLE. I don’t believe anything can be had between you and i, i have the sincere impression that you are far too jaded.
It just doesnt matter. What matters is Devon and High and mighty Anet realize they are up kittenZ creek. They are going to experience a well deserved exodus because they have given us “supply mastery” in a years time. Reap what you sow baby.
Like the guy earlier in this thread said, it’s time to receive what they’ve earned.
