Guild Wars 2

Talia.7412:

Rattlehead.1476:

Talia.7412:

Ungood.3054:

TheDesertWolf.6724:

Hey Eredon Terrace and Fergs should just marry each other.
that way you can crawl on the bottom together, or hell maybe you’ll get somewhere!

You must be new here, allow me to provide you a heads up, we have been in the bottom tier together long before you or HoD showed up.

We are more like siblings at this point, we have our petty spats, but in the end, we are stuck together.

Gives a whole new meaning to double teaming when guild [BS] from ET insist on not capping anything in our BL in order to solely defend FC camps and towers. ET, don’t you want to come in 2nd?

Just be sure you’re not mixing the ET Basic[BS] guild up with the Fergs Bloody Swagmen[BS] same tag yet completely different guilds. Just thought I’d mention that since we made a bit of a habit of defending what we took in your BL to keep the PPT as long as possible

It was definitely ET’s BS. I would’ve been less surprised if it was FC. To wreckz, ofc you dont rep your entire server, thats why i specifically mentioned your guild. Seems like most times i encounter your peeps, they’re not doing much to help your server’s score. Picking random fights seems to miss the point of wvw but to each his own lol

You don’t quite fully understand what WvW is. It is a platform for player vs player, and player vs door at the same time. [BS] / [Invi] / [OINK] / [KoM] / [PAXA] / (Sometimes [FoE] / (sometimes [SeT], DO NOT play the pvdoor version of WvW. All you zergers seem to think that the “real” way to play wvw is pvdoor and to get points. Wrong. That is A way to play it, we chose the more fulfilling / challenging route of player vs player. We’re all also from a different era of mmo’s. We actually like using more than 3 abilities per fight. We usually use somewhere in the range of 30-40 abilities in 1 minute? Maybe less time?

So yea to each his own. We wont be helping our server’s anytime soon.

Fighting against [Invi] tonight was the closest fighting I’ve had to old Daoc emain 8man fighting in 6-7 years.

That was some fun fights, conversations after losses, and clutch playing as well. Thanks for the challenge and lookin forward to more with you guys and other groups as well!

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

This sounds like sPvP to me.

Clearly you don’t have any open world hardcore pvp background as war fronts/spvp instances don’t come close to the world of open roaming competitive teams. Nor does 5v5 s actually happen in spvp. It’s all 1v2s and 1v1s of bunker builds knocking each other around. It’s ok though, keep playing your “general Patton” game and when unchained comes out all the skilled players will leave this care bear centered Wvw land lol. Youll all be left with each other, the zerging mindless community.

Mcginley this week the small mans will mostly be running on HoD borderlands. We’re rotating which map is the focus each week. (almost none of us run eb during prime time).

Zosk.5609:

I do not agree. I think it shows that something is too effective if you can beat over double your numbers in a fight…unless there is some other mitigating factors.

Everybody might have access to the “same things”… but not everybody wants to or can play the same way. Some people want to form up an elite 5-man with perfect combination of classes… some people want to pug up in the zerg. The advantages given to the former should not be so overwhelming as the latter group feels like fodder…and when things get to the point where the 5-man can kill 3 or more times their numbers regularly I think that problem point has been reached.

I don’t believe combat in this game is even complex enough for people to “outplay” others at a level they can kill many times their number, to be perfectly honest. To me it just says they’ve chosen classes and builds to work as a team and got in voice chat…. and I don’t think anybody really deserves a medal for it or superpowers, just an advantage.

Why are you not giving credit where credit is due? If 5 guys figure out how best to build their classes/group specs based off one another, why are you saying its the games fault they can win against 10-15? How about they are just better communicators, better focused, and better players because of that? You dont want to admit that because it makes the 15 feel inferior…….welcome to player vs player, theres ALWAYS someone better!

LilMcGinley.3890:

Xom.9264:

CrassBippy.4619:

As the worlds greatest warrior this greatly intrigues me and I will join whatever tier is chosen

We already have a few of the worlds greatest warriors in T8 Bulky Boy and Titan but the more worlds greatest warriors the better.

No chance you are talking about Titan from FoE? That man BREATHS warrior…

As for “T8 small groups”, I’ve noticed other the last couple days the “small group vs small group” fights are gone. Each time we roam it’s like 3v15, even if we do find a small group they seemingly put a message out and a huge zerg rolls by. Yeah, we burst a random up-leveled trying to run back into the fight but that is rare. I’m not saying small scale fights are gone or small groups are ineffective, just beware that zergs are still plenty down here and expect to get utterly destroyed at random times.

Arrow carts are also killing this slowly… had a 5v9 the other day, they instantly throw down an AC. I really hope small groups don’t start doing this, it’s gonna ruin the only FUN part about WvW left.

Ninja edit: if anyone wants info on ET for a transfer, I’m more than happy to help out. Just send me a message.

Current state on ET: We have good numbers, just inconsistent numbers. We typically have a VERY strong weekend and weak weekday. Commander driven zergs but if they leave, small groups tend to take over the map. Yeah we are the last place server in T8 but a few transfers would def help and make T8 a little more competitive and better for everyone involved.

I understand your point, but disagree with small mans not being around. We put one out almost every day, KoM does as well both from HoD. Both our guilds do 100% best we can to avoid OUR OWN zergs so our [tags] are not associated with zerging.

CrassBippy.4619:

Xom.9264:

CrassBippy.4619:

As the worlds greatest warrior this greatly intrigues me and I will join whatever tier is chosen

We already have a few of the worlds greatest warriors in T8 Bulky Boy and Titan but the more worlds greatest warriors the better.

Shout out to KoM, I was doing my normal roaming around when Hobbits found out I was not in exotic gear, he sent gold… even when I returned it feeling bad about just being given gold he insisted and sent it again, so now I have all exotics condition gear thanks to KoM.

If KoM people kill you at least you know they are good peeps.

So whats the current layout of things? I just roam with a guildmate and we are prob xfering, been high tiers for too long and want to get back to some solid small group fighting.

Doubt we’d “lopside” anything but what would be the best server to xfr too in t8?

Crass,

I know both ET and FC are in need of some new players but I would point you more specifically in FC’s way just because we have established a few other teams on ET. Either way, welcome man.

styx.7294:

BenL.5312:

This thread really seems as pointless as banging on the table and forcing the guy opposite you to like the brand of beer you are drinking.

Here are a few things to consider

1)
Different tiers field different numbers and that is why fights may vary from 1v1 to 5v5 and even to 80v80

2)
Due to the different number of players fielded, each tier develops it’s own meta. Commanders and players develop different skill sets

3)
Skill does not simply equate to just being able to kill players. It involves more than that. Being able to command a 30 or 40 group as 1 entity is on a totally different level. Does that make a commander not fantastic at 1v1 a lousy player? No. His talent is just as if not more valuable i.e able to get a group to move as 1 entity.

4)
Strategies for different sized groups vary greatly and harping on I can kill 1vX number of people is meaningless. It is truly a work of art when you see an organized group kill on the field especially when they take on greater numbers.

5)
Once the group sizes become bigger, you will start to see that there is alot of thought put into team synergy, making builds work with each other, combo fields, field movement, timing of attacks, group composition, weapon and skill interactions etc. This is something that a 1v1, 2v2 or 5v5 won’t see. There is nothing wrong with that, just means that meta and playstyles differ. Experiencing such fights simply means paying ANET gems to move to a different tier.

6)
Different players like different play styles, some of you guys enjoy 1v1, 2v2, 5v5, 10v10. There are also others that like to play 30v30, 30v50 or even 80v80. That does not however mean they are any less skilled than someone playing 1v1, 2v2. It is a totally different play orientation.

7)
A 1v1, 2v2 player harping on “I can kill X who plays often in a 30v30 group = he sucks” is extremely lame and naive. Builds designed for group combat and builds designed for 1v1, 2v2 etc comabt are vastly different in focus. Tradeoffs and compromises are made resulting in weaknesses when forced into a combat scenario it is not designed for and vice versa.

Lastly, I believe we all should be able to acknowledge that different players like different playstyles and hence reside in different tiers. Constant harping on who is better or trying to one up the other is doing nobody any favours.

This thread didn’t really deserve such a well thought out post.

So you are saying “accept all playstyles” but people who command and cant really win small fights, shouldnt be ridiculed because they can command 30 people to run around from tower to tower and put siege down. On the other hand Players that win small fights and beat ridiculous odds 3-8 vs. 15 shouldnt be glorified because of excuses excuses excuses? I dont understand your logic.

Neeho.3859:

I think it’s cute how all of the elitists want to push their playstyle onto others. If you don’t like zergs, bring more.

Truth is you dont win when you dont run with 30, otherwise you wouldnt run with 30. Sorry dude, cry some more. If Anet changed it to a real player vs player environment, youd quit.

So I’m disclaiming this with the fact all zergers will disagree but I don’t care because Zerging is the first step out of like 20 to becoming a good pvper. That being said, Zergs are fixed very easily, knock off the Aoe cap, downed state players can only be rezzed out of combat, and objectives are basically meaningless to take other than for up levels who need the exp. This is a TRUE fix for Zergs but 90% wont like that because 90% don’t actually know how to play in player vs player environment. They want easy mode sit on an arrow Cart all night or run with 30 people to feel “epic” and buffer their inexperience so they don’t die in first 10 seconds of a fight.

Read the “Small man/havoc tier” thread.

I have been talkin to a few more guilds and have some good things in the works.

BTW, PAXA will be setting up a new vent with more room if any teams ever want to hop in it. If there are any teams that need a vent, feel free to hop in to organize. Send me a PM for more info.

@chips,

You just gavve us all the excuse of not being able to find a boon filled target because youre too busy following a commander, there’s 60 enemies and you’re in team speak? Are you serious?

You wait and find the boon filled target and then (while not over extending like 60% of gw2 does) you blow your corrupt boon and epidemic when that dude is in the middle of a bunch of others. Yes it may not be your first target…. That’s where knowing what/when to do things and use abilities shows you semi know what you’re doing….. I don’t even play necro, good lord.

Seems like a miscommunication. We are extending invites to T8 around gw2 to players/ guilds looking for small man action. I don’t believe anyone ever put up a message or post saying “t8 guilds recruiting guildless people”. Sorry if that’s what you thought, that was not our intention. When solo players xfer they have the opportunity to find a 5 man guild that needs a fill in or new member, or find people with the same intentions and group up and guild up to become a new 5 man. The meeting last night was held to focus the guilds we do have so far in the same direction of fighting. Our tier absolutely welcomes anyone tired of zergwars2…..we have created the platform for small man (under 10) roaming / solo / duo / trio roaming.

That being said, real 5 mans have needs as far as classes for slots in their guild. Don’t take offense if someone you are asking to join then asks you to bring a class they need to the table.

CHIPS.6018:

subcrazy.1098:

I don’t want to derail this thread to much but epidemic is on 12 sec CD if specced for it. So I can get that off 2-4 times well u do 1 well. Now I do get that wells at times are better for zerging I guess. I just don’t see how some calls I’m immobilizing and u spread that to 4 other ppl u just locked down 5 ppl. Just a small example. Also all conditions u spread take the necros stats.

I will repeat:

Line of sight requirement =>Epidemic is useless is tower defense and tower attacks. It misses too often to be of use.

Skill lag, game lag, popularity of condition removal in WvW=>Picking out that single target with a ton of conditions on him and casting Epidemic on time is difficult. Did I say impossible? Nope. But its just not worth the trouble. You are better off using wells because they work much more consistently.

No, it is better for you. We don’t sit on walls, we actually open field fight everyone. Subcrazy is top 1-3 necros’ I’ve seen in the last 6-7 months. Corrupt boon / epidemic absolutely melts our targets….. It makes bunkers = silly string. You worry about 60 targets….he worries about the groups main assist target….(that’s one target if you don’t know the terminology), the aoe of epidemic is a bonus.

I’m not doubting you Zerg and have experience doing that, but don’t try telling one of the BEST necros in the game what abilities melt targets especially since we run 55 less than you. Think we may have a little more idea of what fighting under ridiculous circumstances seeing as we don’t rely on a barrier of teal to win.

XII.9401:

Just a word of caution: Some of the guilds posting on this thread are not accepting members and some say they aren’t sure or want you to play certain classes.
So before you transfer, make sure you have a spot if your guild isn’t transferring.

I don’t know what your referencing or who you are, but the idea is to come here and fight. We are recruiting like minded people who would like to fight small man teams daily. Other than that I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Im sure there are guilds here that will run with you and anyone else looking for a new team. Some probably don’t have room, but there are others most likely willing to give you a shot.

Oozo,

I don’t necessarily agree with how you speak of small manning like you are a promoter and in game more often than not run with more, but I will say its gratifying to say the least to see weasels come on the forums a couple weeks after running in 10+ bragging and ALWAYS chasing our 5 across the map crying about y’all hitting them. All the “good” players in t7 purely fight with numbers and have no shame doing it. That’s the face value of t7.

It may sound redundant but there are ALOT of small man (5 man guilds) and soloers heading down to our tier. There are Zerg blobs but they are of 20-30 pretty newish players (some are decent). Point is the Zerg is manageable from a small scale perspective. There are not 40+ mans. So finding small scale fights is more abundant and often. If you are tired of Zerg balls and people talkin crap that kill you with 10-20+…. T8 would probably suit you well.

We were about a week from quitting because of the 98% gw2 community of zerging mindless goofs. We switched to t8, probably extended months for us.

Personally, I thought you would all be great for each other. All interested in the same style of fighting. Surprised it didn’t work out.

saiyr.3071:

I have fun doing lots of things, be it running larger guild groups to counter zerg on reset night or playing with much smaller guild groups outside of ~raid times~. So yes, I am content with what I have. I get a little bit of everything. But I like fighting big blobs of people, especially when outnumbered, which I guess is one big point where we differ.

This is the point where u crack a beer and say, “boy it took a kitten load to get here”

saiyr.3071:

Jscull.2514:

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

Well, you can man siege while eating pizza rolls in your underwear and you zergsurf while eating pizza rolls in your underwear but you can’t win a 5v5 against good players eating pizza rolls in your underwear unless they are also eating pizza rolls in their underwear.

Which has been known to happen.

Oozo, I think if you can’t 5v5 good players while eating pizza rolls you just need more practice. I mean gosh, that’s like Hardcore 101.

Jscull.2514:

Jscull.2514:

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

Tsarazi has been in more tiers than that, FWIW, but I dunno how they were back then. I don’t think the point is that higher tier = higher skill as much as lower tier doesn’t imply higher skill, which I feel like the other guy is trying to say (60 mans mashing 1/2 posts, etc). Assuming he can just beat every guild in T3 knowing little more than their names is embarrassing

Embarrassing to who? You have an “we’re above you in tier so we clearly would womp you mentality”

I invited you to our vent to listen in/chime in with 10 other guilds talking about this. I’m not biaaaatching out, I’m stepping up and inviting you.

Please point out where I assumed I could beat any t3 small man? Look at the word choice I used amigo. Said we give them a run for their money…..Keep dodging the fact that we have a bunch of true (have less than 10 guys in their guild total) small mans coming to our vent tonight to discuss an actual platform for small man roaming/fighting in t8.

You probably play mesmer right? Dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll. Keeeeeeeep on dodging

Haha, okay, I dislike you less now for that zinger. But no, I don’t play Mesmer. I am not dodging your invitation, I just don’t care about it. I have no intentions of leaving my server.

Thats because, 80% of what you want you are more than likely getting out of gw2 at the moment. And that is NOT mainly fighting small groups. Otherwise EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER would have been told, read, or just moved to t3 already. So what you are currently doing is most likely coming across small mans now and then, but mostly fighting smaller bib blobs of people…………………………………………………thats what we are TIRED of doing my friend. If you were tired of it and the 80% of what you want was 20%, youd move.

i don’t really know what you just said but okay

I said if you werent enjoying up to 80% of your time spent in game, you would be acting accordingly (considering moving tiers to where 5 mans are going). But because you are enjoying at least 80% of your time spent in game then I get responses like “Im not interested in moving”.

And because you are in t3 tells me theres probably 40-50% more total overall population than what we experience. The majority of the population in this game zerg as their style of pvp….so that means you deal with more zergs than we do. You must be content with that otherwise youd be open to moving.

XII.9401:

Fuzzion.2504:

We should create a Tier called Tier PvP where eveyone and everybody is fair game like DAoC modred

Mordred was an amazing server. We used to group up as lowbies with previous pvp experience and stalk a high level in a pve zone (its a loop zone where groups loop around to fight each other). Then we would attack that lowbie in a group -we had lower stats and limited abilities, we didn’t have the top lvl stats- .

I was responsible for the CC and interrupting the casting. If you killed that high level you got tons of xp. It was scary being a high level and looking over to see a bunch of lowbies watching you from over the hill..waiting..

We eventually got chased off by the big guilds and had to hide and come back later :P

You also could disband an annoying player and kill him. Was great fun.

Currently two of the most active 5 mans are docked in HoD (KoM and PAXA). SO we are populating the FC and ET 5 man slots first. You are correct, HoD will most likely move which means KoM and PAXA members will be paying to come back to the third server that moves down. But our goal is to have 3-5 5 mans on each server competing daily, and grow it from there.

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

Well, you can man siege while eating pizza rolls in your underwear and you zergsurf while eating pizza rolls in your underwear but you can’t win a 5v5 against good players eating pizza rolls in your underwear unless they are also eating pizza rolls in their underwear.

Which has been known to happen.

Oozo, I think if you can’t 5v5 good players while eating pizza rolls you just need more practice. I mean gosh, that’s like Hardcore 101.

Jscull.2514:

Jscull.2514:

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

Tsarazi has been in more tiers than that, FWIW, but I dunno how they were back then. I don’t think the point is that higher tier = higher skill as much as lower tier doesn’t imply higher skill, which I feel like the other guy is trying to say (60 mans mashing 1/2 posts, etc). Assuming he can just beat every guild in T3 knowing little more than their names is embarrassing

Embarrassing to who? You have an “we’re above you in tier so we clearly would womp you mentality”

I invited you to our vent to listen in/chime in with 10 other guilds talking about this. I’m not biaaaatching out, I’m stepping up and inviting you.

Please point out where I assumed I could beat any t3 small man? Look at the word choice I used amigo. Said we give them a run for their money…..Keep dodging the fact that we have a bunch of true (have less than 10 guys in their guild total) small mans coming to our vent tonight to discuss an actual platform for small man roaming/fighting in t8.

You probably play mesmer right? Dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll. Keeeeeeeep on dodging

Haha, okay, I dislike you less now for that zinger. But no, I don’t play Mesmer. I am not dodging your invitation, I just don’t care about it. I have no intentions of leaving my server.

Thats because, 80% of what you want you are more than likely getting out of gw2 at the moment. And that is NOT mainly fighting small groups. Otherwise EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER would have been told, read, or just moved to t3 already. So what you are currently doing is most likely coming across small mans now and then, but mostly fighting smaller bib blobs of people…………………………………………………thats what we are TIRED of doing my friend. If you were tired of it and the 80% of what you want was 20%, youd move.

Jscull.2514:

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

Tsarazi has been in more tiers than that, FWIW, but I dunno how they were back then. I don’t think the point is that higher tier = higher skill as much as lower tier doesn’t imply higher skill, which I feel like the other guy is trying to say (60 mans mashing 1/2 posts, etc). Assuming he can just beat every guild in T3 knowing little more than their names is embarrassing

Embarrassing to who? You have an “we’re above you in tier so we clearly would womp you mentality”

I invited you to our vent to listen in/chime in with 10 other guilds talking about this. I’m not biaaaatching out, I’m stepping up and inviting you.

Please point out where I assumed I could beat any t3 small man? Look at the word choice I used amigo. Said we give them a run for their money…..Keep dodging the fact that we have a bunch of true (have less than 10 guys in their guild total) small mans coming to our vent tonight to discuss an actual platform for small man roaming/fighting in t8.

You probably play mesmer right? Dodge roll, dodge roll, dodge roll. Keeeeeeeep on dodging

Hematuria.4051:

I love the terms like “carbear” and “hardcore” that are being thrown around.
You realize that you are playing a game with cartoon pictures that move right? Any activity you can do while sitting and eating pizza rolls while in your underwear is inherently not hardcore.

This legit made me laugh, thanks lol.

saiyr.3071:

Oozo.7856:

There weren’t very many good players in that matchup. Things were better in T5 and they are certainly better in T7. Sometimes you get matched up against dud servers with respect to finding good roamers. To take your experiences from one week and extrapolate that to conclude that all players from lower tiers are bad isn’t very smart.

We ran across plenty of bad players on Maguuma but we never extrapolated that to conclude that all players from Maguuma were bad. In fact, the rank and file PUG group on Maguuma was much much better than what Kaineng had but they made it to a higher tier than Maguuma. How do you explain that?

Oh yes, that’s right… general player skill has little to do with what tier you are playing in. It’s about numbers and coverage.

BTW, just earlier today I saw a ranger movie where on his first day of hitting L80 he was 1v3ing three people from War Machine in T1.

Tsarazi has been in more tiers than that, FWIW, but I dunno how they were back then. I don’t think the point is that higher tier = higher skill as much as lower tier doesn’t imply higher skill, which I feel like the other guy is trying to say (60 mans mashing 1/2 posts, etc). Assuming he can just beat every guild in T3 knowing little more than their names is embarrassing

Embarrassing to who? You have an “we’re above you in tier so we clearly would womp you mentality”

I invited you to our vent to listen in/chime in with 10 other guilds talking about this. I’m not biaaaatching out, I’m stepping up and inviting you.

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

Lol plz try telling me that higher tier = higher skill….. Please would LOVE to hear your reasoning…

Different set of skills. 5v5 is about individual skills and team work. 60vs60 is about zerg coordination and communication.

Fair question: Did you ever tried commanding a 60 men zerg on teamspeak?

If you never tired that, that is a whole section of GW2 gameplay that you are missing in lower tiers.

You say missing like we went to the theme park and didn’t go on the best roller coaster. I don’t want to overly be a jerk, but CHIPS most of the people I know (our guild, other 5 mans) aren’t really interested in “huge epic battles”. What we want when we log on and spend real life hours playing this video game, is to come across a team with fairish if not even numbers that are up to the task of giving us a serious run for our money. Beat us, we beat them, any option can happen, and the fight ends up lasting 2-3 straight minutes.

Lol plz try telling me that higher tier = higher skill….. Please would LOVE to hear your reasoning…

Sayit, if running with 5 guys every night and kiting Zergs around is what you call fun, then youre right, this game is perfect for you. We like playing players as good if not better than us. Not ONLY being able to push the envelope due to a ridiculous discrepancy in numbers.

zastari.1730:

Jscull.2514:

Lol in game gold can be made in a week. Weak excuse buddy. Unless you were a Daoc real 8 manner , actually xfer an fight daily with the same guys, focus on group makeup and player builds, then I don’t believe your anywhere close to our level.

Wait… you actually think about your group composition? Sorry that’s way too much for me I just rolled mesmer and press GS1. Occasionally I press portal button to move golem a place. Sorry you can have your uber roamer trophy I had no idea what I was up against.

Exactly, have no interest in fighting other small mans because you aren’t really that grp oriented. Sorry man, anyone that thinks like us is basically at the point of quitting this carebear starter mmo or setting up an atmosphere with competitive people. Keep up ur “higher up the ladder” mentality

Lol in game gold can be made in a week. Weak excuse buddy. Unless you were a Daoc real 8 manner , actually xfer an fight daily with the same guys, focus on group makeup and player builds, then I don’t believe your anywhere close to our level.

In fact tzasari or whatever, I’ll even invite you to our small man vent meeting tnite. T1 guilds-t7 guilds considering xfering to the t8 pvp platform were building. Probably around 7-10 guilds will be present tnite to discuss further building a small man atmosphere. Come throw your two cents in. If you aren’t too chicken to actually man up and let us know just how dedicated your “t-whatever” 5 man is. The meeting is in PAXA vent at 930 est. let me know and I’ll send ya the info.

Dude you send us (in t8 btw so be apauld at this) those guilds kitten PYRO, WaR, iLL)‘s best players and I guarantee you we give them a run for all your kitten talking ego money and probably beat them. Please don’t try and tell us that zergers will ever beat elitist hardcore small man players open field with less than 10.

Zergs are the first step in a gamers pvp experience. Problem is none of you
Know how to graduate from relying on 20+ people to win.

Just an early reminder to anyone who actually gets a rush from fighting talented groups and players, t8 (guildwars2 wide) vent meeting is tnite in our guild vent discussing consolidating more guilds to our tier, and focusing the fighting onto certain maps each night so we can compete and all kick some kitten If you are interested and haven’t received the info yet please send me a PM.

@besetment

Here is my question to you who seems to think he can be “napolian” via gw2 wvw….. Why when my guild shows up (or other 5 mans like us) and chunk off 10-15 of your epic 50 man, do they ALWAYS lose that fight? If our 5 man separates 10-15 of your lemmings/deciples from the “Zerg” why do they lose when forced to open field fight?

CHIPS.6018:

Gab Superstar.4059:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

In that case your aim is a fight club. WvW aren’t really your thing. As such, you are not actually a target audience of this thread.

Some people enjoy seeing what they personally contribute to a fight. In a 5v5 I know exactly what I did well that allowed us to win, or what I did poorly that made us lose.

When you are running with 30 people though, how do you really tell? If you replaced one of those 30 with an uplevel, would you instantly do poorly? Would the same be true in a 5v5?

Yes, different types of fights appeal to different people. Also, your assessment that WvW is not really the thing for small scale roamers isn’t quite correct. You can enjoy the thrill of a larger map that is more oriented towards PvP rather than a smaller map that is oriented towards sitting in a circle. If you enter sPvP you are forced to actually sit in circles, whereas in WvW you are free to do whatever you want.

Hope this clears some things up.

Its just different.

In 5v5, you say things like “My water made a huge difference.” or “My Hundred Blades made a huge difference.”

In 60v60, you say things like “That stacked healing really saved our whole zerg there.” and “That guy who called out that ambush on Teamspeak really saved everyone.”

As for the 2nd point, I think WvW is about server points, holding keeps and towers, zerg fights, etc. Jscull said that he doesn’t care about server points, doesn’t care about holding keeps and towers, and doesn’t care about zerg fights. So I don’t think he is actually a WvWers. I will say he is doing a fight club inside the map of WvW. It might be fun for him and many others. But it aren’t WvW anymore.

Bottom line is 60v60 = 120 players. Out of those 120, maybe 10 or under would actually give us competition or at least more than a minute fight. The other 110 or I’ll give you 105 players in that 120 would be smoked over, over, and over again if they fought us with 10 or less. What’s ridiculous is you go around saying that “these 60v60 are so EPIC” and think you are general Patton via gw2… When in reality none of you will ever use
Your characters like we do getting 105% out of them…. You’ll continue down the same “casual not really ever getting better at fighting in clutch moments” and talkin smack on the forums about how epic and good your Zerg lag nonslillful fighting is. And when you Zerg down a 5 man talking about how great you all are meanwhile outnumbering them by 50. Sorry, never will that be impressive.

Littlefeather.8623:

frostshade.3617
You mean you killed people who were afk and didn’t fight back gj man

commander frostseir(sylvari,guardian) commander frostetics(norn,ele)
Os guild
about 20 minutes ago

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Jscull.2514
Had a ball doing it to carebears who will sit around in RL for 2-3 hours watching bunker builds go at it. Had a BALL!

PAXA -GM
(Server Mercenaries for HIRE)
Aroneouss- Guardian
about 18 minutes ago

Yea, there was a make shift ring of rams for the event for who wanted to fight…its setup like that for a reason. So people like you wont accidently hit the viewers, but I guess you missed the memo, or have no clue on how spectator sports control the show.

You have to be absolutely blind or oblivious…..Dude we did it on purpose because sitting around watching BUNKER / GLASS builds fight for days is just plain dumb. Once again, over your carebear vision.

Edit: We dont play this game to make internet friends or to “love one another”….We play this game to kill people with red names. Sorry we are not all running for governor in my guild…..

Had a ball doing it to carebears who will sit around in RL for 2-3 hours watching bunker builds go at it. Had a BALL!

Lol, y’all are great. There was like 80 people at that “RE fight club”. We brought like 6-7 guys and wiped 20+ people 3/4x in a row. The next day there was 2 full forum pages of QQ to those guys that tried to ruin fight club. Didn’t know it took 2 full pages to express how little effectiveness we had.

Littlefeather.8623:

Jscull.2514:

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

Well keep pwning “organized” T8 groups like the ones in your PAXA video, if thats your claim to fame.

That was from t7. Garbage Zerg tier. No one runs less than 10 there because they get smoked if they do.

Oh, we know those guys will beat us, so let’s just group up the 15 people on this map and chase them around and talk kitten via forums when we kill 2-3 of them. Lol you guys are a riot!

CHIPS.6018:

Jscull.2514:

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Now I am confused. If your server’s scores doesn’t matter to you at all, where is the source of your server loyalty? Where is your source of server pride? Why stay? Is lag the only reason then? So if one day Anet changes to new servers and removes all lags, you are gone?

Yes! Prime example exhibit A. CHIPs thanks for proving my points. YOU don’t understand we play this for rvr, player vs player. Real 5 mans (dedicated focus firing guilds) don’t play this for their server or the pointless pointless “Anet point system”….

Look at my signature. Clearly we give two kittens about the server were on. It’s who is our opponents that’s the real concern because they are the ones bringing/or not bringing the Quality of fighting to the table. I never wrote one thing about lag hoss. Thanks for being part of the 95% of gw2 population which has never experienced elitest hardcore fighting and then writing in a thread about hardcore wvwers lol.

Anyone who has commander in their signature or has the blue Dorito doesn’t have speaking privileges on under 10 matter

What’s great about all you 10+ runners all say the same things about “havoc groups” in higher tiers, that their use is “cutting supplies, killing dolyaks, cutting off back lines”…. How come none of you understand when our 5 guys leave the spawn 100% of our goal is to only kill red? It’s so hard for you Zergers to realize points D O N O T MA T T E R and we simply play to kill people? And when a group of 8-20 dies to 5 guys is a joke and shouldn’t happen but happens everyday?

And then you come on the forums and tell us how awesome your 20 man guild groups are when the truth is if you ran less you’d fall into the “joke category” otherwise you would run less….

Just a reminder that meeting for our tiers small man pvp is tomorrow in our vent. We have invited as many small mans as we know. Send me a PM if interested if you havent already. Just a reminder.

Littlefeather.8623:

Jscull.2514:

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

I never played that game, but I heard it was a good PvP game. 1 vs 1 can be fun, but its a little slow paced for my liking, slower than 20v20, etc atleast. 5 man fights are very fun, but I think disregarding the servers’ need for assistance is a little selfish, so as a commander I dislike them. But I bet 20G I can solo any melee player who stands infront of me in WvW, hell I even solo’d a Golem in WvW from NSP (Which is how Fight Club got started in GW2). But I know I am beter used Commanding in WvW for more points and loot bags.

My point is, we are skilled too, but we have priorities.

You may be skilled for what you do….but MY point is that wouldn’t guarantee kittenx that you could beat half the lower tier 5 mans I know.

What none of you guys realize is that if we decided to field a 10-20 man which we cant because we are from the era of only guilding the amount you run with….We could do, would do, and probably better of EXACTLY what you guys do everyday. The REASON we do not is because killing blobs with 20 IS NOT CHALLENGING. It isn’t super easy, but its not as challenging as taking down an old 8 man in daoc Period.

So much coordination so much thought, (so much pre-fight thought), so much focus, (also alot of chance/luck), and so much dedication towards beating teams of players equal in skill or better. Half of you never even did that so have ZERO clue what or why I say these things.

Simply put, speaking corporate/medical sales to a 12 yr old just isnt going to get through.

Correct me if I am wrong:

HoD = KoM / PAXA /

ET = BS / FoE / OINK

FC = Invi / Deth

There are a few other guilds who we have been running into groups under 10 but not sure how regular those groups run because we have only been here 2 weeks. The ones listed are daily.

Ruprect.7260:

Jscull.2514:

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

I have nothing to prove. You came out saying that you can win 2/3/4x your numbers.

I said anyone can farm pugs, that is nothing special there.

You provided a video of you farming pugs. WOW! Sooo pro.

What are u 12?

I understand killing pugs is a joke. Thats why we have been constantly inviting anyone that fights dedicated groups under 10 to t8. You originally said that because we 5 man we couldnt muster the “skill” your “commanders” (LOL biggest joke in mmo pvp history btw) could to run 30-40……In any other video game that doesnt have a AoE cap (which was designed to keep zergers from quitting when skilled players smoked them in under a minute), your “skill” would be laughable. Zergs in any non-failing game have never been the main form of pvp. WAR= Zergfest died. Daoc not zerg fest = 5 years of constant greatness. Rift= Just plain terrible WoW= newcomers way to learn to mmo GW2= Zergfest for rookies. Please dont try to tell real gamers that commanding takes any skill. It just takes more organization than ur used to spending in a video game.

Spets the MilkBandit.9031:

I am not the one on forums claiming to have the biggest pvp kitten. You are.
Now either show us a video of your 5v20/5v40/5v60 of an organised guild, then you may have the kitten crown.
Until then
Chaoi

I wasnt talking to you zerging NSP clowns. I was talking to Ruprect.

It was a 10 minute straight fight, and after hitting 15, we got hit by and organized 5 man. Where’s youre video hoss?

O wait, youll show me your awesome 20v20….