Guild Wars 2

TY for this, now people can stop crying OP to lemongrass.

Fernling.1729:

I have a feeling that people wouldn’t purchase any of the RNG items if we knew the odds.

I would agree if it weren’t for the fact that millions of dollars are spent everyday on lottery tickets to which we all know (or can easily find out) the odds.

RNG is not random. It is a mathematical equation, an algorithm which gives the illusion of randomness.

I’m sorry OP but I feel no sympathy for your situation. Had you taken the time to research the market a bit you would have realized that T6 Dust was at their peak and it was not a good investment if you were trying to turn a profit. Ectos however were at a record low and definitely worth the risk since Anet was bound to do something to bring their value back up.. Glad I bought a 250 stack of those when they were 17s a piece. I gambled a bit on the Southsun Minis and bought 20g’s worth, hope they skyrocket now that the event is over.

Sokar Rostau.7316:

EDIT: The price of t6 dust had very little, if anything, to do with the Lyssa nerf. In a single day/patch a huge number of people went from farming Orr events to farming Southsun events. Even if the drop rate of Karka Shells hadn’t been increased, we would have seen a corresponding lowering of their prices. In fact, the price of t6 dust was rising even before Lyssa was nerfed.

the price was rising even before the lyssa nerf cause a bunch of other farm spots had been nerfed driving people away from Orr. Lyssa was just the final blow to the farming community.

I would max out my bank slots and bag slots on my main. I would keep 6.4k for some future cool things that might get added to the store and trade the rest for gold.

Knox.3748:

2000h? Take a break men. I agree that gw2 just wont improve but after playing 2000g its only ormal u get tired.

Agreed, I’m at 1400h and lost most of my enjoyment in this game. Now I log on to do my daily which takes 15-30 mins and log out and play other things. It’s not like I have to pay a monthly fee to play so it’s not a big loss if I don’t. The game will continue to change and will eventually change enough to lure me back or a better game will come out and I will completely disappear from Tyria. Either way, I had at least 1400 hours worth of enjoyment for my money. Well worth the price tag.

Iruwen.3164:

Erasculio.2914:

Iruwen.3164:

We already gain XP after level 80, there’s just no real use for it.

There is. That’s a weak argument, considering it’s wrong.

Unless I missed something, the only use is gaining skill points used to purchase some items at Miyani.
That’s no “real use”. Just like karma currently has no “real use”.

I convert my skill points to gold buy making and selling mystic weapons.

back on topic

I’m not sure about this idea. Sounds good on paper but I think in practice it will turn out to be just another stupid currency that this game doesn’t need, especially if the bonuses are temporary. You can already buy temporary bonuses using other currencies in the game. If you can unlock permanant utility buffs (MF,GF,Karma etc) then it might add some progression to your characters past lvl 80 and encourage people to play currently totally unrewarding parts of the game.

youlostthegame.8102:

I’m pretty happy about how the money is going at the moment, if they start pumping in more money in to the game, you think it would make you better off and closer to getting a legendary? because the prices of them will skyrocket and you might be even further away that you are now.

Agreed, making more money is not what this game needs, more ways of getting T6 mats is. Right now the best way to get T6 mats is to farm CoF1 and by them or trade in IRL money for gold and buy them which is driving the price up on everything that requires T6 mats.

At the moment I would say the best place to farm karma is SS cove. There is an event every couple mins. Dailies and Monthlies. are a great source. WvW depends on how well your server is doing, you get 0 karma from being spawn camped.

This is my set up, took some getting used to but it works grat for the way I play and can use it on all my alts.

I had 2 unused mouse buttons to which I bound heal and weapons swap.

I bound 7-0 to f1- f4

I got f1-f4 bound to c,v,b,n

got rid of turning with A and D completely and move straf from Q and E to A and D.

Got dodge bound to Q and E and look back to Tab

I think it would be useful to have a combat log window in our hero panel. Something that could show me all the stats (dps, heal, rez, cond. applied, cond. removed, number and type of mobs and kill time, cause of death etc.) from the last 15 fights or something. It would be a great tool for evaluating you current build and seeing your strengths and weaknesses. I would not want it to be something you can ping, there is enough jerkism going on without giving jerks more tools to ease their jerkness.

Erasculio.2914:

Vol.5241:

IKR? Shame on players who want to play more than others

Shame on players who believe they are entitled to more in-game rewards merely for playing more than others, despite being less skilled.

Uruz Six.6594:

Was Southsun a preview of things to come? For example, Magic / Gold Find NPCs spread across Tyria?

Yes. Not in having Magic Find NPCs across Tyria, but rather in making people play through new content not by having it to be fun or interesting, but rather by making it something easy to farm.

This is the price we, common players, pay for farmers. ArenaNet has learned that they don’t need to make a good, deep and interesting game – they can just keep adding Magic Find and farmers will keep farming.

The thing is, once you’ve played the content so many times the fun of the experience is no longer there or isn’t as rewarding. You can only do something for fun for so long before you get tired of it. The only motivation left is the loot. I think Anet is trying some new things with Southsun which is good, hopefully they can fix the rest of the game with what they learn.

GW2 is fun until you hit the end game. Dungeons are a pain, nothing more than a few interesting bosses with a bunch of tedious over buffed boring mobs separating them. The dragons and world events are a joke. The personal story wasn’t engaging enough for many of us to bother replaying it on our Alts. WvW was fun at first but eventually the zerg vs zerg lost it’s awesomeness. It is finally getting some attention but for many it’s too little too late. sPvP is fun but is still so unbalanced and the fact that Anet is spending so much time nerfing our farms instead of fixing what is broken is aggravating.

I still have hopes for GW2. I’ve put a lot of time into it. For the moment I will stick to my dailies and monthlies (which this month was done in SS cove cause that is where the rewards are) and kitten the rest.

I think it’s funny. They gave us the MF/GF buff in Southsun but for some reason I get better rewards (T6 mats) farming in Orr. The only reason most of us farm is to get T6 mats which have a god awful drop rate and would take years to get a full stack playing the game “as intended”. So we find a go spot with lots of spawns and kill kitten. Sure it’s brainless and boring but so are the Dragons and world bosses and CoF 1. It’s the fastest way to collect the mats you need to accomplish our goals so we do it.

If I had to pick between the two, I would go with a Staff/GS Guardian.

I got kicked from a party that I put together once cause the last guy I invite started pinging gear and asked everyone else to don the same. I didn’t have a full zerk set at the time and got booted. It’s @-holes likes this that make it so we can’t have nice things and why an inspect function is a bad idea. Let them have some bad runs with peeps who lied about their gear, it’s all they deserve for acting like effin pricks.

Cristobal.8640:

Julie Yann.5379:

Cristobal.8640:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Cristobal.8640:

You sound like you have some issues…

You are the only one with issues.

Why criticize someone for playing the way they want?

There is nothing wrong with them playing and getting the enjoyment out of the game in the form that they wish.

Go troll somewhere else.

I’m not saying anything about playing the way he wants, I was commenting on wanting the things he wants. Pretty big difference.

I happen to farm myself a lot as well…

I’ve been there, done that, ran the dungeons, do the WvW on a very regular basis but I love seeing the gold and mats in my bank increase. Wealth brings freedom, freedom to try out different builds on different alts without always struggling get all the stuff needed or waiting weeks to try out a new idea. Builds are 1 of the very few things left to explore and after all the time I put into this game I find it a drag to always be struggling for those mats.

What you said first was that all games were the same to you and that increasing wealth was your end, similar to how jobs are all the same and that…

It was probably a misunderstanding, I can appreciate your point of view as you put it now, with wealth as the means to an end and not the end by itself, in just another game that is like all the others.

Still don’t get how jobs can be all the same tho…

A means to an end, sure i prefer some over others but it is still just a means to an end.

Mirta.5029:

Dante.1508:

Also if there aren’t a significant amount of players that like loot farming, why are games like Diablo 1, 2 and 3, Borderlands 1 and 2, Torchlight 1 and 2 Titan Quest, Skyrim and a plethora of others so popular and they are VERY popular games..

okay I played Borderlands , Diablo 1/2, Skyrim and both Torchlights and never had to farm anything. -_-
Diablo 1/2 and Torchlight 1/2 – you follow questlines, which give you enough exp and gear good enough to be able to continue going trough the questline
Skyrim has very little to do with loot. If I remember correctly most quests offer very little reward. Open world, lots of quests and encouraged exploration is what the game was advertised on.
Borderlands – can be fun with friends, but once again you’re following a quest after quest after quest, you don’t farm.

So yes, I’m a person that dislikes farming, but I like following stories, reading stories, gaining information about the world. I played all of those games and somehow failed to notice how do they lead you to farm.

You don’t have to farm in those games cause they give you all the loot you need and tons of it. As for Skyrim, I looted every corpse left in my wake and sold it all to buy me some houses.

Im Mudbone.1437:

I asked this in another thread and will ask it here too, for all the know it alls and others.
Why is it JUST CoF p1 that ANET allows to be farmed and not ALL dungeons/paths? Anyone have insight/thoughts on this?

Cause they can’t just nerf the rewards in the dungeon like they do in open world. They are probably working on redesigning the instance like they did to other dungeons and that takes more work.

Cristobal.8640:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Cristobal.8640:

You sound like you have some issues…

You are the only one with issues.

Why criticize someone for playing the way they want?

There is nothing wrong with them playing and getting the enjoyment out of the game in the form that they wish.

Go troll somewhere else.

I’m not saying anything about playing the way he wants, I was commenting on wanting the things he wants. Pretty big difference.

I happen to farm myself a lot as well…

I’ve been there, done that, ran the dungeons, do the WvW on a very regular basis but I love seeing the gold and mats in my bank increase. Wealth brings freedom, freedom to try out different builds on different alts without always struggling get all the stuff needed or waiting weeks to try out a new idea. Builds are 1 of the very few things left to explore and after all the time I put into this game I find it a drag to always be struggling for those mats.

Mace Fist Mojo.9083:

Everyone has a different playstyle. Some people just want to get things done and you can’t blame them for that. If the build you make doesn’t fit what they need, you shouldn’t force yourself on that team. If you are arguing before you even enter the event you plan on doing, its not going to be any fun on either person’s side.

I personally like going on rag-tag runs for dungeons EXP or Story. You meet all kinds of interesting people. My typical run ins for example have been a husband/wife combo, dead quiet guys, foreign people or just a bunch of dudes always cracking jokes. Sometimes being able to carry a team on your own makes you feel awesome and usually those teammates are extremely grateful to you.

Honestly I think gear inspection won’t do much, people already ask what gear you are running with. If you feel like you have to defend yourself against said person, then you probably are not a good match.

Add me if you are just looking for folks to play with!

^^^
This

never play GW1 but I love the combat in GW2 and love the fact that you are not forced to play 1 of 3 roles, played too many of those already. It adds more variety to the experience, the only problem is the aggro mechanics. It is so unpredictable and varies from boss to boss that you can’t really strategize around it or manipulate it to your advantage much. If we had more info to get a better understand of how it works I think it would make things more interesting.

Sovta.4719:

Julie Yann.5379:

Josip.8267:

Because people that use Mf don’t want to be inspected. This is biggest reason in my opinion.

Nobody wants to be inspected, we just put up with it to please the vocal minority.

Vocal minority vs MF majority, let the battle begin!!!

Wasn’t trying to start a battle. just saying that the majority of people don’t give 2 kittens about what gear you have or build your are running but for the sake of not going through the hassle of finding another group we will ping our gear to please these guys.

Josip.8267:

Because people that use Mf don’t want to be inspected. This is biggest reason in my opinion.

Nobody wants to be inspected, we just put up with it to please the vocal minority.

Nick.6972:

It’s not about the reward, it’s about the """""""""experience"""""""""".
/typicalgw2fanboi

What about experiencing the feeling of getting rewarded justly for what you do? Not I this kittening RNG bullkitten.

Just no! there is enough elitism going on without it.

The only people really running lemongrass are Warriors + Melandru runes +traits. if they have to lock themselves into a specific rune set and trait, I don’t see why it would be OP especially when the effects can be countered with a different type of food. Warriors need a little immunity to movement CC cause it completely shuts them down in a fight.

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

The repetitive ones (slayer, weapon mastery, …) will come naturally, although when I get close sometimes I feel like crunching it, even though that makes little sense. You can work towards them, but you don’t have to…

I agree for the most part but I don’t think anyone could complete the Giant slayer with working for it.

The reason a lot of dungeons are is so facerolls easy is that 95% of the content is just skipped and peeps run straight for the boss. If the made quick run dungeons so that you have to complete an wipe out an area before moving on to the next they wouldn’t be done in 6 mins.

I think there is a miss conception that farmers actually like to farm. It’s not the farming that they get enjoyment from it’s the T6 loot filling up their bags that give them enjoyment which you sadly don’t get enough of by just playing the game. I would play the game normally for hours on end and get 1 powerful blood, and couple Bones, 1 or 2 crystalline dust but I farmed at Lysa for 35 minutes and got 4-5 times that. I like getting paid, that’s why I go to work everyday, it gives me great satisfaction to increase the money in my bank account and I will always pick the highest paying job cause they are all the same to me. I’m the same way when it comes to games, they are all the same to me, I playing the ones that give me the biggest satisfaction and in the games I do the things that satisfy me the most which is creating wealth. If farming to the quickest way to that wealth than that is what I will be doing cause creating wealth is what ultimately gives me the greatest satisfaction.

I agree, what better way to find out what people like and dislike about your game than just asking them? Would be far more efficient that filtering through the forums. I would take the time to fill one out.

killcannon.2576:

Squeaky wheels and the balancing teams. Plus look at the types of players they have in their round tables. PvP centric individuals are usually the ones taking part in any sort of publicized game feedback, with a focus on flash over substance designed to increase viewership instead of actual balance.

They stated they are separating out the game modes for balance, we will have to wait and see how it goes from there

Thing is warriors are probably the weakest class in PvP while Eles are amongst the strongest (although you don’t see many staff builds.)

oh…I thought this thread was about hot Anet employees.

I think the GS was put in the spotlight and everything else was a side project during development. A good looking staff is hard to find but there are a few out there.

The game itself still needs some work and has some serious challenges to overcome but it is still young so that is normal. All in all Gw2 is doing very well, take a look at the server populations, they are all full. Box sales has dropped but that is normal, you can only sell so many boxes before everyone has one.

Cristobal.8640:

Jski.6180:

The major problem about skill in a gaming world is thakittens still just a game all the skill in the world should not truly effect your pve play because its made to be fun. That what video games are an illusion of having done something hard but in truth you just did a pre program event.

You need to try Dark Souls.

For many of us “Fun” PvE is actually challenging PvE, meaning that it should require skill.

lol..die, die, die again, die some more, die, die, yay! success!, die die die, die again, die some more, yay! success!!, die die die… Brutal game, feels good when you suceed but i can’t count how many times I rage quit.

I like a little of both. I love killing tons of mobs with umpunity cause it makes me feel all powerful but sometime I love really challeging content. I agree that most of GW2 PvE is faceroll easy for hard core gamers but I don’t think all the casuals think it is. Anet is trying to make a game everyone can play and I applaud them for that but their biggest challenge is going to be how to keep the hardcore players engaged.

AntiGw.9367:

Theftwind.8976:

For those people that can afford to buy gems on a regular basis then farming is a non issue. However there are many students, retirees, people on fixed incomes that also play this game who can only afford to buy gems once in awhile, when the budget permits them to do so. So what do those people do? They farm and sell what they get to get the gold they need. Not everyone wants to run CoF 20 times a day just like not everyone wants to farm. Why is one choice being restricted?

And in the end that is what it is all about. Choice. If I choose to spend real money for gems, so be it. If I choose to farm instead why restrict it? I never farmed Union Station yet the one thing that bothers me with the fix is that even if you were running the quest through, you now get nothing whereas before you at least got something. They did not increase the final reward or compensate in any way for the loss of drops from that part of the quest so in essence they punished not only the bots but everyone.

It is getting to the point where you play the market (TP), run CoF ad nauseum or buy gems with rl money. They still however consider it a fair price to pay 40 laurels and 50 ecto for one piece of ascended gear.

Two hours a day can get you a lot of gold for just playing the game.

For example, that’s a full clear of orr temples, 6-9 guaranteed rares with a chance for exotics.

If someone doesn’t have a lot of time to play, I doubt mindless grinding is what they will want to do with their limited time.

Mindless grinding are what the meta events (temples, dragons, world bosses) are.

Tachenon.5270:

If the game was loot-rich and the high end materials were plentiful and easy for everyone to acquire, what would become of the botters?

My guess is many of them would disappear cause there would be no point to botting anymore.

Mirta.5029:

Julie Yann.5379:

I just don’t understand what is so precious about this in game economy, I look at the TP and it is completely kittened. 400% inflation since Nov.?

prices right now on most things are lower than they should be. If T6 was back to normal price you would get 2 times more for the same thing. At this point everything is twice cheaper than it used to be.
If to talk about the prices that were there when the game just came out then you must remember that money was harder to come by and nobody new the correct price for everything, so people had less and sold for cheaper. Now all players have more, can spend more and can sell more expensively.

That makes no sense. Money was no harder to come by back in Nov. then than it is now, in fact, it is harder now since they nerfed the rewards on a lot of things. Most of the T6 mats have more than doubled since then. So how am I getting then for twice as cheap?

To have a stable economy you can’t just keep printing money cause that drives inflation up. A lot of people with a lot of real cash are buying there in game gold via gems or risky black market vendors and that is what is driving the prices up. Meanwhile the others just playing the game and getting the same kittenty rewards or less than they always got are feeling the pain but everyone blames the farmers for screwing the economy.

nachtnebel.9168:

I’m okay with farming, as long as those things you can farm are accountbound on pickup and so no threat to the games economy.

I just don’t understand what is so precious about this in game economy, I look at the TP and it is completely kittened. 400% inflation since Nov.? any real economy would crash if that ever happened. Farming is not what is hurting the economy, buying gems with real cash and converting it to gold is what is hurting the in game economy cause it’s like printing more money making it worthless. That’s what drives all these prices to insane levels that most who just play the game can’t afford.

Stone.6751:

Julie Yann.5379:

The problem is not everyone can put more an hour or 2 into the game. One can easily sink 2 g in WvW in a couple hours. Players who want to play WvW have no choice but to farm PvE to make up for their losses and they don’t want to spend days playing the game “as intended” in order to afford a night out on the battlegrounds. They want to make as much money as fast as they can so they can get back into the fight. The only way you make money in WvW is by just following the zerg, not building any siege, and not upgrading anything and anyone who says different is a kittening liar.

Making money, or not making money, in WvW is a completely separate topic. But I would agree with you that there is no money to be made there. Playing WvW is simply for prestige and fun.

I was just saying that cause I know quite a few people, including myself that farm just so we can play WvW the way it should be played, which brings us back to the topic which is making the game worth the time you put in. We play W3 for fun and prestige, but there is no fun in making yourself completely broke for playing it.

The problem is not everyone can put more an hour or 2 into the game. One can easily sink 2 g in WvW in a couple hours. Players who want to play WvW have no choice but to farm PvE to make up for their losses and they don’t want to spend days playing the game “as intended” in order to afford a night out on the battlegrounds. They want to make as much money as fast as they can so they can get back into the fight. The only way you make money in WvW is by just following the zerg, not building any siege, and not upgrading anything and anyone who says different is a kittening liar.

I guess GW2 was not designed to fit my end game play style. What I enjoy the most about this game is all the variety of build/gear combos I can experiment with. Unfortunately, to acquire runes and sigils and sometimes mats I have to rely on the TP where prices on some of those are through the roof. In a way my playstyle is more expensive than creating a stupid legendary since I have no way of recovering those runes without destroying the armor to try something different or no way to try new runes without losing the old ones. In order to support my gaming vices I need to make to most amount of cash in the least amount of time so I am all about rewards. I used to run shelt/pen/plinx, nerfed. I used to run fractals, nerfed. Snow trolls, nerfed, Grubs, nerfed, Lyssa (although I didn’t agree with stopping the event from being completed) nerfed. All I have left is CoF1 which is even more mind numbing than any of the above. I guess I shall just have to stop exploring all the intricacies that Anet provided us with character creation and stick to 1 build and follow the sheep from meta to meta and be content with the crumbs that drop.

Some people like to gamble and are addicted to RNG, others don’t like to gamble and prefer to farm. I think that it’s great that Anet made a game where you don’t have to farm or grind in order to play the content but why shun all the players that do enjoy farming. Personally, after completing the personal story twice, leveling 3 toons, all i want to do is maximize my gains for the time spent playing cause I have an objective in mind and that is to try several new builds on my toons. If I can make 5g an hour +mats farming instead of 75s an hour playing the game “as intended” I will choose to do the former for an hour, then I’ll go play WvW (where the rewards suck even more and has bigger gold sinks than PvE) for an hour cause that is all the time I have.

Siigari.6587:

This sucks. I just got back to the game and it was nice to find a place to make some reliable gold.

Farming an area should not be deemed an exploit. It’s called the path of least resistance, which is something many gamers who play a game in a way that maximizes their efficiency will do.

Every time gamers find the path of least resistance, Arena Net nerfs it. That’s not fun. That’s the definition of griefing. A-net is griefing their playerbase to force them to play in a casual manner with others.

Pretty soon players will find another reliable source of income and that’ll be nerfed too. That’s not fair, and it’s mistreating people who have a keen and apt mind.

and then eventually another great looking MMO will come and all those griefed players will move on.

I think the logic behind it is if they keep us from accumulating in game wealth we will have to spend real money in the gem store instead of just trading gold.

Totally agree with OP but I am already at the point where I thinking of just wiping this game off my hard drive. The rewards in the game suck kitten but I keep hanging in there in the hopes that Anet might change their perception of what rewarding is.

i would prefer loot from 100 mobs than a kittenty big chest.

Yeah, it just sucks that those of us who actually play get punished cause of botters. guess I will have to find me another farm.

I think it would be better to keep the current F1 burst but add 3 forms to F2 F3 F4.

Balance=Nothing changes
Defensive=reduce income damage (direct and cond.), reduce attack power
Offensive=increase incoming damage, increase attack power

not a big fan of defensive boons like protection or regen, we are not guardians or eles

The thing is some of us invested those points when we before they added new WvW skills which we would prefer and would have picked if they would have been available. Maybe after reaching a certain rank, say 25, you get to reset and then once again at 50 so on so forth.

They aren’t very fond of just bumping. I got warned about not having any content in my posts. As long as you add something to the topic they don’t mind.