Guild Wars 2

Grenth is justice, and sometimes revenge deals with getting justice dealt for a wrong in the past.

The only place I truly remember that happening is in one section of the wall, which involved the ghosts actively trying to repair and rebuild the wall and ruins.

Omar Aschi Popp.7496:

I support this thread.
Warrior master race here, but seriously, Elementalists could be chubb over, you know, no physical exertion. Maybe Engineers…

What can I say.

Only they hike just as much as your warrior. They climb, jump, and swim just as much as your warrior. They carry their own packs, and use their weapons with skill. Yeah, they COULD be… but really it would make more sense for them to be fit.

It’s like dragon age origins, where they mention the mages had physical training/exercise as part of their schedule(at least until one guy used it constantly to escape).

Also 9 foot isn’t tall for Norn, it’s average :P

And adventurers cannot hope to fight the dragons…

Scarlet took the city ONLY because she FORCED much of the defense and population to run like hell shortly after opening her attack with a bombardment.

If the Miasma hadn’t been used at all, it would’ve been fierce fighting and much shorter then the battle already was. Once the Miasma cleared it was over within a day to maybe 2 days.

draxynnic.3719:

From my memory of the stuff that was released before and around Nightfall, it was explicitly stated that the eradication of knowledge of Abaddon came about because knowledge of Abaddon gave Abaddon a link to Tyria, which he could use to push minions through, influence minds, and otherwise interfere with the world.

In Dhuum’s case, it’s probably that Grenth, on assuming deityhood, took over all of Dhuum’s sites, removing all of Dhuum’s iconography and replacing it with his own. Real-world history, after all, is full of building temples to new religions over the sites of the old. Ironically, after a few decades, this is probably more efficient at eradicating a religion than trying to seal it away – since sooner or later such ‘hidden’ sites as the sunken Cathedral of Abaddon and the Apocrypha are inevitably discovered, while the former identity of a rededicated temple is probably forgotten within a few centuries.

^ this is what I was talking about really. They didn’t purposefully hide Dhuum’s existence, but Grenth replaced his statues, icons, etc with brand new Grenth ones. After a while, people forgot about Dhuum.

Okay, to me the only case which I see that is the far left. All others seem to just be shades of grey, stone textures… and not wood looking.

I’m simply noting a difference between "NOBODY knows about abaddon after his defeat " (least till nightfall.) vs “Grenth’s priests and dwayna’s prietss know this fact.”

Sure, common folk might not know it, but priests do. That means (to me) it’s a secret, not common knowledge, but not a hardcore “We wiped all information of this from history.”

Course, the blurb I saw about abaddon’s precursor was also that it seemed like it was very, very ancient. Likely before the margonites were even around. And realm of torment was made AFTER abaddon’s fall.

There is a difference between active and utter concealment of knowledge (such as Abbadon), and simply the person being forgotten to history. Why bother continuing to talk about Dhuum when Grenth is the god of death?

Abaddon’s predecessor would likely be hidden, just like he was (because why mention his predecessor if you can’t mention him? Or also forgotton)

It seems like Dhuum wasn’t hidden that much since say, the priests of grenth know he is the son of Dwayna and ascended to godhood.

Also, the writing could be metaphorical, could be more serious, but it’s something pointing toward Malchor being the father as opposed to other stuff.

Frosch.7809:

I can only shake my head at how anti-human some of the opinions posted here are, and how the one person taking sides with humanity gets fired at.

Most are not anti-human. Most are simply being realistic toward the entire world view. The one person taking side with humanity, as you say, it also the one guy who is ignoring or twisting the lore to treat it as if humanity should be the top power. Going so far as to basically say if Jennah wanted to conquer LA, not a single person would raise objections to it, including the “Norn nation.”

Should Kryta decide to move against LA no one will raise a finger to help.People who say that the Pact is only a part of the orders are wrong, at least during the campaign against Zhaitan the Pact was the concentrated might of the three orders together.

The pact IS part of the orders working together. Note it’s not the leaders of the pact working with Trahearne, but liasions. The leaders of the orders remain at their bases near Lion’s arch, directing day to day business at home while their chosen reps help Trahearne lead the Pact. Soulkeeper is leading the vigil “at home” in the sense, while Trahearne leads some vigil forces over near Orr. Like how we saw the orders get involved in various LS stuff, but not the Pact. Or tower of nightmares where a Vigil guy goes “We are likely going to go after her… she’s becoming too big a threat. You?” and the Order of whispers guy (or it’s the reverse order. I forget) basically replies with “Yeah, the order of whispers (or vigil if reversed) is thinking on that too. We might do a joint operations.”

The Charr will not risk peace talks with humanity for something that is none of their business. They retook Ascalon because they saw it as theirs, it seems to me like the Charr would rather be sympathetic to any attempt of Kryta to gain control over LA because they’d understand that Kryta would see LA as their territory.

Or they wouldn’t care period. Or they’d start being wary of Kryta thinking to retake Ascalon by force after taking Lion’s Arch.

The Asura would not necessarily shut down any gate if no one tried to use them for military actions, and given that LA as a trade center would not be affected. A takeover of LA must not mean that anything has to change concerning trade, look at the return of Hongkong to China. And a takeover must not necessarily be by brute force.

If Kryta moved against LA in a hostile way, I doubt LA would keep the gate to DR open. If the Asura sided with Kryta, I doubt LA would keep ANY of the gates open. Baede never tried to take LA because he thought that to take the city, you’d have to slaughter it’s defenders, and most of the civilian population before it’d surrender.

How many people did the Norn send to fight the Great Destroyer? Was it three, or four? The Norn are not unified, they are a large group of individualists and do not act as a nation.

Exactly what we’ve been saying. However Nich S seems to treat the Norn as if they have a nation. And it was 5.

The Sylvari are peaceful, they fight Elder Dragons because they have to. They do not willingly get involved in a conflict that does not concern them.

Exactly.

The idea that everyone would band together the moment Kryta attempted to takeover LA is nothing i can take seriously. An attempt to takeover LA must not be by military force, mind you. And as i said before, treaties get terminated and broken all the time, and the captain’s council is standing on insecure ground when it comes to its legitimacy. They are former pirates after all.

They are standing on very solid ground, given how they literally were told by a king of Kryta 70 years ago that they are independent from Kryta. The Crown itself gave them freedom. Also, most people aren’t trying to say everybody would instantly jump to defend LA, but that most wouldn’t jump to act AGAINST LA. Nich is saying everybody would instantly agree with Kryta and aid them, which is much, much sillier.

And where does it say that Kryta would eliminate the captain’s council at all? Take over LA, leave the council in place as vassals of the Krytan monarchy. LA is currently vulnerable like never before. How many leaders in our real world would miss the opportunity to gain control over it?

Because the Crown gave them freedom as long as the captain’s council is in power. Taking over the city basically says that agreement is broken and the Crown’s word isn’t as trustworthy. Also the fact LA wouldn’t submit to the crown as thought by King Baede, who figured to take the city back for Kryta would have to involve slaughtering most of the civilian population before they’d even think about surrendering.

Something to think about…

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/8/81/Orr.jpg Is a map of Orr from GW1… And as you can tell, it has an area explicitly like Cursed Shore at the bottom. It even matches the landscape somewhat (with Temple of Grenth being on a small island nearby. Basing that vs Gw2’s map, parts of Arah may have been above water? Or parts of that region. True it’s implied that that area was entirely underwater and rose up at once (it’s where Romke shipwrecked after all)… but in GW1 it looks like at least part of that region was above sea-level.

The thing is, Dhuum wasn’t fought by the other gods, Grenth alone (with his reapers) defeated Dhuum. It wasn’t like abbadon who betrayed/attacked them.

Also, wasn’t there a piece of writing which described Malchor’s creation of the various statues, which included his reaction toward Grenth (among each one)?

Though the most likely piece of evidence for that theory is from the Orrian history scrolls.

“Grenth, son of Dwayna, first god born of Tyria. His powers deal in mortality and judgment. Defeater of Dhuum, Lord of the Seven Reapers, he is the prince of ice and sorrow.”
“Standing before his immortal mother, Grenth claimed his place among the gods. Where his father had fallen, Grenth would rise.”

Both Dhuum’s destroyed tower, and Malchor’s fall are within the Malchor’s leap area. And if he was before his mother, it may have been in her temple (which Malchor jumped from to his death).

Tipper.7354:

At this point a Tengu isn’t just plausible, it’s sensible.

Only a single Tengu is known to us to be in the Pact, and he’s a SMITH.

Plus what information would the Tengu have on the Maguuma wastes and jungle? Or the Crystal desert… or the far shiverpeaks or the depths of Tyria?

I don’t see how it’s sensible… or maybe even plausible for the most part.

Horst Hortensie.5420:

My first thought for a pact leader would have been the commodore of Lion’s Arch. He is not a military man, but the major goals “unite the world” and “fight the dragons” are here basically congruent . Both sides would profit somehow and Lion’s Arch would have Claw Island again in the hand of it’s own army. QuestionDid it really secretly swap from lionguard to pact during personal story and nobody cares?

It never swapped to Pact… they just retook the island from the Risen. It never, ever was hinted they took over the fort permanently.

Kalarchis.8635:

So I went back to Morostov Trail, one of the greener Echovold Forest zones from GW1. More than simply new plants growing on the stone, I found roots and trees that were visibly in the process of turning back into wood. Picture attached.

What this tells me is that the effects of the Jade Wind do reverse with time. Therefore, the Jade Sea should be turning back into water. The question is: how quickly? Konig, I like your idea that parts have turned back into ocean but there are still big jadebergs scattered around, hence the sculpture.

I would presume that, given enough time, all jade removed from the Sea will return to water. However, I would also presume that there must be some magical method of preventing pieces of the jade from reverting. Surely such a method has been discovered by the Luxons over the last 250 years.

Maybe highlight the parts of “It turning to wood”? because I don’t really see any of the roots being wood like in that picture, just stone.

These won’t be in a specific order.

Okay, the order of whispers doesn’t share a LOT of the kitten they find out. So to a public viewpoint they might not have figured out the plans, while in reality they had discovered parts of it and were working in their way to counter them.

The canthan district may have been retconed (it’s not clear at all though_… but canthans have not. Or Canthans living in DR. You can find a canthan priest/scholar in Rurikton near the Kormir plaza thing, telling about the last known emperor. You can find one who talks about the rice cakes from her grandmother :P. However, it makes sense tfor there to be propotionally fewer Canthan descended people in Kryta then say, Ascalonian or maybe even Elonian.

Scarlet’s public stuff took place over a year/year+. However she has been around for a while. The aetherblade path was NEW though. It’s described as a recent treaty with the nightmare court, and you literally encounter them clearing out plants and beasts in parts of the area… not something an established base(of a year or more) would be dealing with.

As for tech, we see rather impressive watering systems in place in some of the larger farms already.

I was meaning to stress the “long time” part. They mention a sculptor, but I always took it as somebody else but not Malchor.

I’ll check to see if there was a timeframe given to anything after work.

I’m of the thought the god statues were made a good period AFTER grenth became a god.

Nicholas S Lin.6187:

May I also add that had the Crown known of the material fact that the pirate cartel was fund and armed primarily with stolen Krytan gold – depending on at which point this fact is uncovered – the consent of the Crown and its peace accord with the pirate cartel would have been torn-up or not have been agreed to.

Secondly the Lionguard would have moved to evacuate the surviving population of Lion’s Arch under the order of the Crown of Kryta as a direct result of its destruction. Thus the bulk of the Lionguard at that time would have moved with the Crown and have actively participated in the construction of Divinity’s Reach.

This task would solidify the Lionguard’s continual allegiance to the Crown and the people of Kryta since the new city was now the capital and the center of Krytan life and culture. They the Lionguard would not have stayed behind to guard over the site of a ruin port or its vicinity. Thus would not any contact with the pirate cartel independent of the wishes of the Crown of Kryta.

On the subject of the position of the Pact nations and its member Orders. Why would they support a rogue organisation that entered into an agreement it was not entitled to? Seriously!

The monies that they transact on was not theirs. Thus have no means to complete their contractual obligations – to protect the interest of Lion’s Arch on behalf of the Crown. That contract was also an agreement to purchase Lion’s Arch from the Crown. Both agreements now made null and void as a result of the overwhelming amount of stolen funds – that was not known of by the Crown at the time of signing.

Thus I ask again. On what grounds would the Pact nations and the Orders of Tyria support/uphold the sovereignty of Lion’s Arch as a “Free City”?

I put to you that they as a group would find no grounds to support any claim of the Captain’s Council. As such all treaties and contracts made with Lion’s Arch become immediately worthless.

Yes, that may have changed thing…. back then. Either way, Edair was in a spot to take the city by force, and he agreed to grant it independence. Points go to our side.

Likely those lionguard joined the Seraph, as the survivors that fled where Kryta aligned. however when LA ruins became a haven for ships, and then rebuilt, they reformed the Lionguard to be defenders. Likely any former lionguard joined the Seraph or retired after LA was destroyed. I doubt many of the original lionguard stayed with the captain’s council.

There are no “Pact nations” the Pact is an alliance/formation of the three ORDERS. Not nations.

There was no purchasing LA from Kryta. Edair allowed it freedom after the great Krytan blockade.

Given the fact a kittening king of Kryta granted the city freedom after the Great Krytan blockade, and seeing the threat of Orr? That’s enough reason. Even if they weren’t “allowed” to hold LA despite the fact their power there is completely legal and from the crown of Kryta no less, they could just take all the people, and simply sail to another spot of the cost and build another city.

This is the problem, you keep claiming that everything LA has done is illegal and the treaties worthless, yet you cannot back them with actual lore knowledge. You state the other races would accept evidence of such, but don’t even show it here. Meanwhile we have explicit proof of a king of Kryta having the ability to take back the city (Which is contrary to your statement of it being allowed freedom only because Kryta was recovering), and granted them freedom.

Nicholas S Lin.6187:

The Orders of Tyria are only notionally indenpendant. That is to say that they may operate as they will on the approval of the five patron races. Your argument that the five races and the three orders would essential ignore any move by Humanity to reclaim Kryta’s former Capital that was stolen from them is without merit. You assume that the opinion of Tyria is that Lion’s Arch was legally independent and of the best interest of all to remain as such is without basis. Since you continue to ignore one of the main arguments against it being seen as legal by anyone in Tyria.

The order of whispers was active before ANY current major above ground government was formed. They don’t need the approval of any race. Priory is neutral and scholars, they aren’t tied to any race. Vigil is explicitly a multi-race military focused on fighting the dragons. They aren’t tied to any nation. Now all three orders have good relationships with the various nations (and the Norn. because norn do NOT have a nation at all), but they aren’t tied into any.

The Crown was forced to give its consent to the Pirate Cartel since at the time it simple did not have the resources to hold on to it due. NOT because of the normal operation and function of the Nation at the time. But because it was still recovering from being shattered and devastated by a massive tidal-wave.

If not for that event. There would have been NO opportunity for the cartel to take and hold it. Again it must be acknowledged that the only reason the cartel was able to field a military force of sufficient size to make an attack on it unjustifiable and doomed to likely failure is because of a singular fact. The gold from the sunken Krytan naval vessel “Salma’s Grace” financed the ablility of the cartel buy personnel and equipement of the best quality and in vast numbers. Without the “Salma’s Grace” gold the cartel would not have been able to hold the ruin city.

Actually, false. King Baede allowed it to be neutral because of Kryta’s weakened state, but Edair actually used a large ground AND Naval force to blockade the city to force it to surrender. Risen attacked and Kryta and LA joined forces, and afterwards Edair allowed the city to be independant as long as the Captain’s council was in power. So your whole basis of “It was forced to because it couldn’t retake the city!” is false. Edair, successor to Baede chose to allow them freedom when he could’ve taken the city by force.

This set of events would ensure that HRH Jennah would have solid grounds to formally request aid on behalf of humanity to re-take Lion’s Arch for Kryta and Humanity. The annexation of Lion’s Arch would not be seen as against the interest of the other four races. Why would it?

On what grounds would the other races believe that they have shared claim of Lion’s Arch? It was a sovereign territory of Kryta. Since this is one of the central pillars to back the shared ownership of Lion’s Arch, what is the basis of this claim?

There is none – other than that is how the Lore has now been written. Despite there being no historical justification other than the Crown being force to give its consent due to the series of events as I have illustrated in detail in my previous posts – as it was written in GW2 Lore.

Asura would never help as they’d basically be given two options.

A: Shut off DR-LA gate, lose a small chunk of gate profits.
B: Aid DR, making LA shut off ALL the gates, losing ALL gate profits.

Other races would have different reasons for it as well. Sylvari simply wouldn’t get involved. Charr likely would remain neutral at best. Norn have no nation, Knut’s word is law in Hoelbrek alone.

The orders would never support it as they ALL believe in unity and coming together to fight the dragons. This action is only splintering alliances. The PACT is focused on the dragons, and makes up only a section of the overall orders.

People in LA*

It’s not really implied that people outside of Lion’s Arch look at Sylvari that way, and it’s just the grieving people in the city going to the easiest (but false) explanation.

DNA.7132:

FlamingFoxx.1305:

As others have pointed out, Tyrians are travellers, it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for them to be fat.

Makes an amount of sense, most people have to walk to get anywhere. While there seem to be Yak and Oxen Kryta has no horses, camels or donkeys, from what I have seen. While Asura gates and points allow for regional transport most seem to make due with the mark 1 foot.

Horses exist in GW. When Saul Dlassio(founder of white mantle) was exiled, they rode him out from kryta and dumped him.

In GW2 Kryta we also see stables, and various wagons which are more suited for horses then Ox. Also some npcs mention “ponies” when talking about Centaurs. And the jousting carnival es we see a Skritt studying.
In GW2 we also see stables, various wagons suited for

IIRC, Anet explicitly said once Horses exist in GW, the main reason we don’t see them ingame is because people would constantly cry out to have them as mounts.

Also, the waypoints and gates are expensive. Waypoints likely can’t transport any cargo or large items, as we see caravans EVERYWHERE. Or they get really kitten expensive. Gates ewe know have fes, especially if you are trying to move cargo. Being free is game mechanic only.

Celestina.2894:

I kind of find it funny how little grasp Nicholas S Lin has on the lore………

If it’s not a direct lack of understanding or grasping the lore in a situation…

It’s him not even thinking about the other races (as shown by his "Of course the other four nations would accept and support Kryta!… Norn have no nation) or how they’d react.

He’s very much human biased, which sucks when the people who are against humans, or are neutral can bring up direct human actions that prove his points wrong. IE, how two separate kings treated (or outright declared) LA to be independent, and he ignores that.

I’m all for what ifs. or looking at things from other angles… if you remain realistic to the setting.

silvermember.8941:

ofLegends.9853:

Having a bit more fat is realistic. As you say, they don’t need to be obese, but there are a lot more body types than just skinny and muscular.

Actually, it is more realistic for adventurers to be skinny and build than fat, since they are either traveling and solving problems and they don’t usually have enough money to spurge on food.

^ has a point. Even spellcasters would be at least fit (maybe not muscular, but fit and lean) due to traveling on foot everywhere (unless they had a horse or mount which is possible.. but even then would get it from other factors), carrying their own supplies, hiking, climbing, fighting…

A ‘fat’ adventurer is one who rarely travels.

I became curious because I noticed while firing my warriors rifle, I could hear a clear sound of the “bullet casing drop” after the shot fired.

However a number of rifles are modeled like muskets (or named as such). So… do we know which type of ammo guns use? Some cannons use the cannonballs, though the charr tanks, ‘machine guns’ and others seem to use cannonballs or a different type at times.

They weren’t bad. But whenever I hear people complaining about Marjory and Kasmeer “Being shoved in our faces.” I instantly thought of those two quaggans as being worse :P.

The problem with saying names is people with jumbles of letters… or the voice saying the name one way when you describe it as being said another.

But it would make it feel more interacting though.

I like it when there is a degree of “hero status”

Like where players can easily be “THE BIG HERO” or “One of the heroes/guys fighting”

Makes it easier to RP or write IMO.

I find MMO stories with “ONE SUPER HERO!” (player) to be blah. As one WoW video showed where an npc verbally hails you as the big hero to save the day.. then does it for everybody else who arrives in the area (and if you sit there, you see this clearly).

To OP, you do know that the “hero” board in LA has your name on it right? (well, whatever character talks to it if you killed scarlet). And if you did LS season 1, you get introduced as the leader of the team (Rox Braham, etc).

That’s in response to the “I want to be the hero for once” Likewise, You get a LOT of credit in the personal story… <_<

Because even cleared of undead, the land requires long, intensive healing to support life and grow crops.

Clearing undead and the corruption is a good idea.

Phoenix Fire.6203:

According to this scale, the tallest Norn is 8’7". For the thing about Kodan, maybe at full hight Kodan are 10’ but all Kodan npc’s have severly hunched over necks. I am not sure about the thruth behind this chart though. Because if its right, I am taller than some Norn. Also, Lore-wise, Sylvari are slightly shorter than humans, but on this chart they are the same.

That scale says “Max height asura are 3’10” when they AVERAGE at 4 foot.

It says a max height charr is only SLIGHTLY taller then a human(max height).

That’s a scale I don’t think is accurate to the game at all, and isn’t even CLOSE to the lore.

One thing I was thinking is the Luxons could create lakes and rivers in the jade sea. Mine jade to form a canyon, fill the canyon with water to form a river… same thing for lakes.

But yeah, the process (if happening) would be so gradual Luxons wouldn’t be threatened at all… they’d have time to move settlements and build boats before it happens.

CETheLucid.3964:

So, I’ve been kinda dispassionate in following this thread (and with the thread in general). Are we simply entertaining another “what if Queen Jennah was crazy” scenario?

Because the reality is she’s a great person. The Queen’s Gauntlet thing that she’s doing now is entirely for the benefit of LA.

That’s not a power hungry ruler reaching for place she doesn’t control (but could easily claim now more than ever)…

But, the hallmark of a kind and benevolent leader who’s extending help to a people in need.

This might as well be “What if Einstein hated science and to spite us, made up fantastic models of the physical universe to throw us off?!”

Pretty much this entire topic is based on the idea of Jennah (and/or the ministry) going completely insane and out of character.

But even then, they couldn’t take LA easily. They risk losing too much to centaur offenses during the redeployment of the seraph.

CureForLiving.5360:

Kalavier.1097:

This is treating it as if the moment you turn toward any other dragon minion Trahearne will start stuttering and going “IDUMMO WAT TO DO!”

For someone who knows what to do he sure asked my opinion a lot.

That’s a problem?

Besides most of the time when he asked your opinion, it was more in a “Hm, we can get this objective completed in two ways, which way would you like to do it?”

Branded aren’t becoming ice covered… they are turned into crystals.

CureForLiving.5360:

Well the only issue is that how much value can Trahearne bring to the table in regards to Mordy? He was chosen to lead the pack for 2 reasons: 1 ) he was neutral but well respected by the factions, 2 ) he’s knowledge of Orr and Zhaitan. Since Mordy is a new enemy Trahearne would have no useful insights. Maybe since he proved himself against Zhaitan, he’ll stay but I don’t know.

This is treating it as if the moment you turn toward any other dragon minion Trahearne will start stuttering and going “IDUMMO WAT TO DO!” He’s a learned scholar, plus the three orders have experience with other dragon minions and he can get advice. Besides the fact a campaign against another dragon would see experts on that group brought in as well.

DaMunky.6302:

Trahearne needs to die. Not because of some personal vendetta you, I, or anybody else might have against him, but because it would be the most narratively succinct and perfect way for Mordy to endcap a complete routing and shattering of the Pact.

Make no mistake, shattering the Pact would be the best possible thing ANet could do for the game’s story.

As I’ve said before, such logic can easily lead into an endless (and BAD) cycle of “They go to fight next dragon. they get utterly defeated. They rebuild and come back stronger and beat the dragon.” until it gets stupid.

Mordi appearing and shattering the pact instantly and without effort is a bad move. Also, the Pact doesn’t fight that many people besides dragons… so it’s easy to say they only fight bad guys.

Hell, he seems to be complaining about the Pact being an “unstoppable force of good with huge backing and fights all the bad guys” yet the Pact featured ONCE in living story, and that was an airship arriving post battle of LA to investigate the rumors of Scarlet’s involvement with a dragon…

So tell me how the pact ruined the living story? Not once did the Pact charge forth to put an end to the evil events in living story.

Scarlet took LA briefly because she used Miasma and aerial bombardment to force the defenders to flee the city or die. Dragons could do the same thing. Only difference is the Risen were delayed by Claw Island, allowing a rally to hold the city. Scarlet bypassed the fort and attacked the city directly.

Well, it’s doubtful it’d happen in the near future. Besides, it’s part legend for that. unsure how well it’s even known among charr or humans.

Aaron Ansari.1604:

I would like to reiterate that there is nothing definitively saying that the Jade Sea ever began to thaw. In Factions, and even Winds of Change, it was only hearsay and speculation. There was no evidence to it, just wishful thinking that things might return to normal.

Indeed. And the talk about the Forest healing was just talk. Nothing indicated the stone was turning back… the forest simply had regrown a lot of plant life at the ground level.

It was HINTED at happening, but never confirmed or shown.

Well, in terms of elements, look at the zephryte magics. The three aspects are all stated to be derived from a form of air magic :P

First off, No, people don’t give credit to Trahearne for your actions. I recently did the claw island-Arah part of the story and noticed how they heap a LOT of praise toward you, and actually little toward Trahearne outside a few instances which HE did something major personally.

Secondly, I think it’s bad storytelling to go “Oh, this guy served his roles, let’s just kill him off!”

Trahearne is still widely respected, and has grown into the leadership spot. If he was to die, the replacement would be.. hard to pull off because they’d have to gather respect of ALL three orders, and prove they can lead all three groups together on the field or as an army. And unless they make the player character that role, another person like that doesn’t exist.

There is a wall that supposedly has the names of every warband in BC… but I somehow doubt that (maybe all iron legion? or all warbands that did something HUGE).

Of course, I don’t think repeating warband names are a bad thing. I mean there is the group of ash legion female char who are the Scorch warband (named after Kalla Scorchrazor)

Pyken Square also has priory researching it.

I don’t think the Charr actively demolish the ruins much at alll. See the BC which is based off a chunk of the great wall, and in plains of ashford you can see their construct scaffolding/chains holding a section of the wall in place. Some charr settlements have bits of ruins in them as well, or are built around/on them.

The only place you can encounter them actively bombarding ruins is a portion of the wall which the ghosts viciously guard AND try to rebuild. So it’s mostly keeping the ghosts occupied.

If you do one charr storyline, you inherit a chalice of Rin (possibly one of the last), and it’s a valued treasure. Flame legion may destroy or corrupt/steal relics, but I don’t think Iron legion at least does.

As for the foefire thing, Eir wouldn’t know the ritual.. and may be a one time thing. Also having both blades doubles the chance of the foefire’s closing ritual being able to get completed to banish the ghosts for good

Korval.3751:

Wanderer.3248:

Korval.3751:

And because Mord can only influence plants

What? That seems unlikely. It’s only called the Jungle Dragon because of its location.

It’s like saying the Orrian dragon can only corrupt Orrians.

I’m only basing this on what has been released on the official GW2 Wiki.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mordremoth

Notice the concept art. Notice there’s not a single non-plant creature. The conclusion, for now, is that Mordremoth’s influence is limited to flora and flora beings… like the Sylvari.

Notice how it’s “concept art” and MUCH of it being for ‘evil sylvari’ designs that weren’t used.

We know nothing about what it’s minions are so far… though I wouldn’t mind seeing fern stalkers (gw1 plant enemies) come back maybe as we explore the jungle

Most of the ships had hull breaches or damage from the suddenly wind and/or the water turning to jade and striking the hull.

Though yeah, I could buy that only so deep (still a hefty distance though) was turned to Jade, and the Luxons just got deep enough in one-two spots to see the water. Pools of water may have just been areas that got heavy rainfall and the water started to form ponds and such.

The forest is a different matter, because even when chunks of it were stone there was plant life growing. I think the ground might heal (or at least start getting enough dirt/soil to support life) but the trees remaining as stone. Or simply plants adapted to the stone… cause I mean, even in factions the forest was pretty lively at the bottom with lots of plant life <_<.

Hell, LA could count on norn support by putting forth a call to the norn wanderers, mercenary, adventurers, and hunters/glory seekers.

“Come fight for Lion’s Arch defense! We’ll pay you in gold and food/drink and we are expecting heavy, intense combat!” Even calling that out in Hoelbrek alone could get those seeking glory and fights in. It’s why numbers of norn join the vigil (and to a lesser extent, priory). Epic fights, grand adventures, glorious hunts.

Hell, once Kryta announces that, LA would shut down the DR gate. Meaning if Kryta wanted to bribe the asura into aiding them (or anybody else), they’d have to send convoys the long way. (or any envoys for that matter really, if there is a group + cargo they can’t effectively use waypoints as we’ve seen). And if LA quickly gets a message out to all the havens “Do not shelter Seraph, Shining blade, ministry guard, or any official Krytan groups or Krytan caravans of X size.”… Those trips just became very, very dangerous.

Or it was a sort of side effect in that region only. IE, the magic of the death wail was fading from the Jade sea, and the jade within slowly turned back to water. But jade outside remained Jade.

OR, not the entire Jade sea turned back to water. Perhaps only a section of it did, and certain areas remain as Jade. Or perhaps it didn’t turn back to water at all, and the water was caused by something else.

Or, entirely as you said, Canthans figured out a way to keep it as jade, magic or otherwise upon carving.

The soul may not be corrupted, but it is definitely tied into the body and forced to be twisted. If anything, I’d say destroying the body/killing the Risen champions actually frees the soul from the corruption/twisting zhaitan put them through.

Well, on subject of Gw1 npcs, Ascalon’s Chosen was present for nearly everything, but actually didn’t get a LOT of development. Some yes, but not a huge amount. Though the prophecies post final mission area did explain henchmen appearing and disappearing nicely (though it was mainly for proph and not as much others). “Some left on their own reasons, others accidentally.”

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And then we can look at how Queen Jennah is treating Logan right now. He risk world/global destruction for Jennah, one woman. And yet it appears she couldn’t care less if he dies tomorrow (not true obviously, but you get what I mean).

1) Love
Queen is sacrificing their relationship for the welfare of the human kingdom. This is the RIGHT thing to do, imo.

Logan is sacrificing the whole world for Jennah, one woman. This is the WRONG thing to do, imo.

See the different? See why I find Logan unlikable? Once again this is my opinion. I am sure many find Logan extremely romantic here. But I don’t.

It would have been fine if the game gave us players a choice to “hate” logan and trash talk him. But we wasn’t given that option. Our character MUST LOVE Logan, by lore.

Or your character could be somebody other then the pact commander. My characters never were implied to love logan at all. Respect him as the commander of the Seraph and a mentor maybe, but never “LOVE AND AGREE WITH ALL HIS CHOICES”… most of the mentors past as edge of destiny isnt touched upon until you join a order…

Also, Jennah is very good about her public image. She’s sneaky and cunning, as shown by her actions toward Cauducus at the end of his manor storymode. Logan was not sacrificing the world. Infact it makes a LOT of sense and is rather reasonable that he’s so protective of her and stays close because he feels like if she gets harmed or dies, Snaff’s death is meaningless then.

B) Promises

Yes she can ask for help all she want. But should Logan really sacrifice the world for one woman?

That “one woman” is the sole heir to the Krytan throne (known publically at least), one of TWO remaining direct descendants of Doric, and very well loved by Krytan. There is a difference between going “Hey, I’ma go ditch you guys and save that homeless dude from thugs!” and “Hey, I’m going to leave you guys because the President of the United states is in life threatening danger… sorry!”

C) We wouldn’t know because our story/timeline never went that direction.

Jennah is the driving force behind the treaty with the Charr. SHE hired the vigil to send a party to retrieve the claw of Khan Ur. She pushed it forward on the human side. If she died, the ministry wouldn’t care. Likely the war would be declared over due to the dragons, because Ebonhawke would be destroyed. Likely Kryta would fall into chaos for a bit after her death.

The peace treaty + the orders allowed human, asura, and charr engineers to work together closely and effectively. ALL three groups combined cause airships to work and function right. Without the peace treaty, charr and humanity may not be as close or friendly.

Airships may have been developed much later, making the campaign against Orr and Zhaitan harder. All theory, but yes, if Kralk had been killed (that’s a maybe, because it wasn’t for sure even if Logan stayed), perhaps the tech wouldn’t have been developed in time to fight Zhaitan. Or some leaders may have went “Hey, that one got killed by five guys… why do we really need to make an effort against Zhaitan. Just send those dudes!” Stupid, yes. but it could happen.

Either way, Logan’s actions created a LOT of good.

Marjory also mentions the decorations are very much like ones her parents got from her grandparents… and she’s canthan descended.

IMO, I think Jade that was mined, removed from the sea, and carved (or left like that) remained as jade. However the jade in the sea itself slowly started reverting to water.

Course, that’d be interesting as it’s half and half about the creatures within the jade. They could be dead, or they could simply be frozen… cause we see some leviathans (canthan/jade sea origin leviathan, not Krytan/sea of sorrows leviathan) burst from Jade chunks and are perfectly fine.