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Even then, he was basically acting as if the heroes (EOTN and elsewhere) went all over the place, when the nightfall end cutscene showed the heroes going back to their lives…

Captain’s council controls the city of LA and the havens, and that’s about it.

One theory I hold is since it seems like Risen to TRULY kill you gotta smash them until it’s unrecognizable… we don’t do that much damage to champions.

So they could come back after we think they die, especially if we don’t confirm the deaths by finding the corpses.

So if blightghast appeared again, I wouldn’t be outraged or shocked.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

If you played the content last time, the quaggan has a buff that increases his size unless he is struck. Or is it “when struck”.

And the norn can get that short, actually. While most average at 9 feet tall, some can be as short as the tallest humans.

I know.

I don’t remember facing the Norn though (I may have skipped him? or I just don’t remember)… but most npcs don’t vary in height a lot, so an NPC norn that short and small is just… out of the blue for me :P.

Garrak.5164:

This next ED, I’m having some question about it, first would be: “What will happen when he awoke fully?”. It might sounds simple, but keep in mind that 3-4 norn’s spirits (wiki is down, can’t verify) gave their life so that the population of Tyria could gather and flee from Zhaitan. Even after that sacrifice, many were corrupted. So what can be expect from this new awakening? Will it affect the Tyria we know of or “change” the maguuma waste(new map) so that we will need to help/correct it.

Um. This entire paragraph s just wrong.

Several Norn spirits sacrificed themselves so the NORN (nobody else involved really) could flee south from the far shiverpeaks to the shiverpeaks region between Kryta and Ascalon. They weren’t involved against Zhaitan at all.

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The Norn is “6 feet, 8” and “280” for weight.

That is… TINY for Norn. I’m wondering if that’s a typo, because the Quaggan goes from “3-12 feet” and “150-450”

And the event IS them basically dumping the body parts into a pile and then putting together (IIRC) a leg, then the krewe leader noticing that other parts are connecting without anybody touching them. :P

Also, the Golem’s Eye was lost in Ascalon City no? I forget if the Asura who had been using it died there or not.

I think my necro soloed it a short while ago when I first found out about the event (well, soloed with the npcs there because they hadn’t died yet).

It’s just kinda out of the way really.

Well, my comment on Rhie’s line is “How does she know that for sure?” really.

If no humans have been in the underworld for a while, who confirmed that?

Actually, there is an interview statement which says the gods ARE in the mists.

I’d have to dig it up, but it does stay that the Gods are in the mists, and simply stopped interfering with mortal affairs, especially since Abaddon died.

Mount Maelstorm. The Asura krewe working on the undead parts.

They collect a bunch of undead/risen parts, and in their lab start putting them together… after a few parts connected the other parts start forming up on their own, and a risen abomination appears :P.

Grenth is in the mists, likely in his house in the underworld.

Bathos.6341:

My theory as to why we don’t see the body of Zhaitan after the Story mission is they chopped it up into little bits to use as Arah dungeon tokens! Not taking chances, it can’t resurect if we scatter all the bits of it accross the entire continent in adventurer’s pockets!

That’s a lot of chunks.

Also, there is an event where a Risen abomination reforms from a pile of body parts and you have to destroy it.

Yeah. misunderstanding. My bad.

No, the other guy was going on and on about the heroes of GW1 as if they went through all three campaigns and EOTN, when explicitly Gwen, Vekk, and Odgen were never involved with anything but EOTN.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I may have misread it as being “The records only talk about Jormag, Zhaitan, and Primordus and has no information or mention of any others.”

As in DSD and Jungle dragon were completely unknown (even to exist as Elder dragons number 5 and 6) and all.

And Usoku went Isolationist, and it says that anybody who didn’t agree with him was basically kicked out.

So regardless if Zhaitan “FULLY cut off” communications between Kryta and Cantha, there was very little information or trade going anyway.

Nothing says necromancers can’t be honorable or noble, especially in GW where they are socially acceptable. :P

And Cantha, in the lore, cut itself off. There are a few very obviously (in dialogue or appearance) Canthan humans ingame.

Unlike Elonia which was conquered, Cantha shut it’s own walls. There is likely to be fewer Canthans around then Krytans or Ascalonians.

Actually… according to wiki.

At one point during development, this area was originally a completed Canthan district and included a blend of Asian architectures. However, this mix of styles received negative feedback from China and Korea, since those gaming markets traditionally prefer a uniform design. Due to time constraints the district was replaced by the Great Collapse.³

Iron legion story deals with building a new anti ghost rifle/musket.

Dummo what the Ash legion storyline does.

Eh, Cantha IIRC cut off contact before Zhaitan rose.

One thing I thought of is the Pact doing a pre-emptive strike against Mordemoth, akin to what happened with Kralk. Strike it while it’s waking up, kill it before it can truly cause damage (though Kralk that happened anyway with the brand.)

So the Pact sends the Commander, a sizable (but not HUGE chunk of the Pact) force alongside some tanks/airships to the Falls region to try to find and kill it while it isn’t fully active (Also setting up a sizable/decent fort like fort Trinity or the WvW keeps close by). Then we see it firsthand (or glimpses, like Smaug in the prologue to the hobbit movie) sweep through our forces, killing a good chunk, using itself or it’s newly awakened dragon champions to break into a fortified camp/keep we setup nearby, and basically driving us back.

Then later that keep can be a plot point to be retaken (Like Arah) to kill the dragon when the Pact has the forces/means to do so.

So not only do you get to see the dragon emerge/kick kitten , but at the same time it doesn’t deal so much damage the Pact is left in tatters, and the Commander (among the survivors) sees firsthand a dragon rising.

edit; If that makes sense storywise or in general at all :P.

skullmount.1758:

haroldjoseph.4369:

I would love for Taimi to break it as well. haha

Do the Norn allow other races to take a crack at it?

I don’t see why not. It’s basically sitting in the open and anybody who wants to try to crack/break it can step up.

Sometimes there is a crowd forming (Like when Eir went IIRC), other times not.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Kind of an old topic (I blame the poor search function on this forum), but for the most part, what Aaron said.

We only know of six because that’s what jotun and dwarven records amount to (mainly jotun, dwarven records to our knowledge only account 3 dragons: Jormag, Zhaitan, and Primordus).

It should also be noted that only Jormag, Primordus, and Kralkatorrik have history with Tyria during the majority of the previous cycle – and Jormag’s not even all that close to Tyria when he woke (he wasn’t in Tyria but the arctic sea, or between the two). There’s some implications that Kralkatorrik’s old reign was over Orr, the Crystal Sea/Desert, and Ascalon/Blood Legion Homelands, and Zhaitan may have only moved in near the end. Mordremoth has no historical records whatsoever, nor does the deep sea dragon who’s existence we only know about due to the quaggan, krait, hylek (indirectly), largos, and karka. So those two may have held no influence on Tyria in the past at all.

Actually, there are records about six dragons. In the Priory you can find a charr scholar (Who is also in the Order of Whispers) who mentions “Five races against six dragons.”

And that’s dialogue before Zhaitan was defeated.

Glory of Tyria was a flagship, and far larger then other airships. Also, only a year, maybe two has passed since Zhaitan’s defeat.

Battle for LA was only a few days actually.

Thing is, the actual numbers involved ingame don’t match the lore (because of obvious resource issues). I’ve heard LA had 50k population, and 15k escaped. That’s nowhere close to the actual npc numbers ingame.

Orr had a large population, add that to the ships full of corpses that came to Orr after Zhaitans rise (You stop the flagship in personal story one path you can take), and other factors (shipwrecks in the area post Orr sinking, etc)… that’s a very large population to cut through. They’ll likely be cleanup operations for a long time.

That’s off-topic though :P. Seems like the two main people for Ascalon being human controlled and awesome aren’t responding anymore. A pity, I was curious to what the response to the fact the heroes didn’t experience all the campaigns would be.

The thing is not to think of warrior as purely being a “ROAR I SMASH kitten!”, but come up with different ideas.

Like for example, the priory warrior who may not be the best bookworm, but joined for the idea of adventuring to ancient ruins, finding awesome artifacts, but while also guarding his companions who aren’t as tough.

A warrior in the iron legion could be the strongest (physically) member of the warband, who can wrestle back enemies while his fellow charr set up the cannons or gates. The one they turn to for the heavy lifting, but while also is an excellent marksmen and knows how to build and maintain his rifles.

If you wanted to do a more techy route, you could have rifle as one weapon, but then your other weapon set (duel wield?) be an axe/sword/mace + the wrench mace.

Just like Blood legion and Ash legion have engineers (as shown in the Iron legion storyline, both legions come up with a variant of the ghostbore musket after your character builds it.), but their focus is different then an Iron legion engineer perhaps. Ash would be more stealthy and ambush, while blood goes for the huge cannons :P.

It’s your character, but any class can work with any of the legions.

Indeed, and some settings which had a horrible, terrifying force and later explained it found the force to suddenly be stripped of it’s ability to scare.

See the borg in star trek from their first appearance to Voyager flying through their space. Or reapers from mass effect…

If the Dragons appeared more often and more directly interacting toward us… they either go from “That’s not as scary” or “Okay, they can wipe us out instantly. Why don’t they?”

And having the next dragon we fight stomp the Pact(well, stomp almost all the pact), then get defeated later only starts a terrible cycle of “Oh, we gotta make this guy scary. We’ll show him destroying all the awesome pact weapons and tech! Then later they get stronger/better tech and beat him!” repeated for every dragon.

The only problem is people usually like having their characters… you know, LIVE.

Hence why Zhaitan hardly made an appearance. If he flew over Timberline falls during the forging of the pact and let lose his breath, most (if not all) present would DIE.

You have to BALANCE it. Yes, these are major threats, but if you show them effortlessly destroying the ENTIRE pact force (As you say) leaving NOTHING left, then you go into despair/giving up. “Why bother, it just smashed everything!”

There is a balance point. Yes, perhaps a number of airships go down alongside a fortified forward location while facing the next dragon (Jungle, Jormag, etc). But not THE ENTIRE force of the Pact. Again, Zhaitan was 500m long. Bigger then some scifi starships. A human or norn is an ant to him, and wouldn’t even scratch his hide. Why should he bother swooping toward us until we prove ourselves a danger?

I’ve heard that Jormag literally doesn’t care about Sons of svanir killing female icebrood because they are ANTS to him.

Honestly, the brand is a good example of the danger of the dragons. Kralk, just flying, basically not even noticing those beneath him, destroyed so much.
I’ve heard Jormag literally not care about sons of Svanir killing

Nobody was sacrificed to cause the searing…

As for the Eye of Janthir, that was also in a time where magic wasn’t AS common as it is now. Of course, we also know the White Mantle was REALLY good at hiding their true intents, you can see that from the ghost of a chosen villager in Brisban.

Just like how a warrior serves in the priory, or a thief in the vigil.

Different roles require different tasks. They have a shield model with all the legion symbols on it. One blank, one for Ash, one for blood and one for Iron.

Hell, if you wanted to you could use that and the wrench mace :P.

Louveepine.7630:

I would like to see put in green boxes, appear in gw2.

( purple boxe is a Dragon)

it’s just a perfect dream. =/

The only problem with that is the Jungle dragon awoke in the falls.

edit: Also while split the falls into two zones? or Drytop (IIRC, that brown circle).

Bump because this still bugs me. Any fixes?

Brand is enough evidence of the danger of the dragons.

Indeed Wanderer, besides in cases where they explicitly mention the boss returning.

IIRC, the fire shaman one (while being a diff name) they at the end go “Yeah, but they’ll send another one!”

Tequatl explicitly was constantly coming back :P.

Because Zhaitan is a 500m+ long dragon, whose breath/corruption can instantly turn people to Risen.

If he flew over timberline falls for example and ‘showed his power’, we’d probably be dead (like in Forging the Pact).

A foe that size (against humans) isn’t going to have a SUPER AWESOME FIGHT. We’d do nothing to scratch it. I prefer to have my characters ALIVE. Cause you know, Kralk’s flight south left a grand total of a single person alive with the brand.

Sure, we don’t see the dragon themselves smashing things, but we can see what they can do with the Dragonbrand, the icebrood crystals in Frostgorge, and the risen throughout Orr. In the one storyline you see Zhaitan’s corruption basically turn EVERYTHING in the lake area at Mount Maelstorm into Risen, when you had shortly been there before and it was all fine.

We killed three champions and Zhaitan. None of the other airships or dragons are shown to be taken out.

NOW, that doesn’t mean they didn’t lose more airships in the airal battle (Obviously at least 3 went down around the starting ground zone that you salvage, and the humble was lost) or that more dragons were killed.

BUT, the dragons are capable of downing airships, and if they fled after Zhaitan was defeated and took to the air again afterwards… I don’t see it being an easy cleanup.

Tuomir.1830:

Asura gates only make shipping between major cities and over large distances obsolete, not shipping to smaller settlements with no asura gates. Garrenhof, for an example, clearly gets it’s trade through naval shipping, and that is only strengthened by the asura gates, as goods from further away can be transported to a nearby port city with minimal effort, from where small ships can distribute them across the coast.

And Rata Sum and LA have major port locations.

Also ingame (before the battle) there was an Asura IN LA worried because his ship hadn’t arrived in LA yet (and was carrying goods).

Depending on the costs, people might choose to ship by water as opposed to the gate. Costs + timeframe.

Their ‘true’ form is that of the ones we make ingame at character creation.

That model uses the model skeleton of the treants, but you can noticeably spot wrappings/armor (especially on the legs).

Nobody denies the human gods besides the Sylvari (Which is more of them wanting evidence… which post Zhaitan defeat is there with the Seventh reaper and all).

Charr as of now simply view the human gods as powerful beings, but not worthy of worship by them.

Yeah. I saw it on the wiki and was like “That’s completely crazy.”

Especially since they word it “Siege”, there wasn’t a siege of LA. Scarlet took it, and then the Lionguard charged back in :P.

I can’t find the wording right now, but I recall it was more directly in line with “You can’t just march an army through an Asura gate (from say, Black Citadel to LA) and instantly start fighting the local people.”

It may have been tweaked or changed with Release/after release though. Supplies are one thing, swarming through to kill the locals no (otherwise if the Charr wanted Kryta they’d just have to march and army through their gate, and into the DR gate).

The way I figure is Scarlet attacked and took the city within one day, deployed Miasma.

One-two days for the Miasma to clear.

One day for the good guys to retake the city and kill Scarlet, then several days for cleanup to happen to the point we see ingame. edit: Reading those security force blurbs, it could be the Security force held out against Aetherblades for the entire day while waiting for news, and Scarlet died during the night (the battle instance was during the night as I recall), or sometime during the second day Scarlet was killed.

Mainly because these styles of battle don’t take long at all, fires were still raging in the various buildings, the bank was completely emptied and Scarlet’s drill finished it’s 97m hole after she died… and that was a huge magical drill that I somehow doubt would take weeks to finish :P.

The real long part of the battle was the Miasma blowing away, but being a coastal port city I don’t see that taking long…

And the waypoints should render hiking moot, but we know for a fact almost everybody walks/rides to travel places instead of simply waypointing, partly because of the cost and maybe because waypointing may not handle cargo, only people.

Rata Sum itself has a large port section. With several Asura captains. I don’t think they’d murder the naval trade when it’s also another source of income and supplies :P.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Kalavier.1097:

Because Asura explicitly allow others to use the gate with the purpose of “Can’t use it to wage war.”

Yet the Asura allowed Fort Ebonhawke to use the asura gate to be supplied during the war with the Charr.

As far as I remember, because that was supplies.

Nobody was marching through the gate to instantly start murdering Ebonhawke citizens.

I ask because people seem to think the battle (Scarlet arrives in town to cleanup) took weeks-months, when this makes no sense at all considering we know for a fact the “Escape from LA” event happened ONCE, same with the battle event (because the Marionette event is stated to happen a single time and that was a win.)

Travel time would still perhaps be an issue.

Also considering how many dragons were in the air at the final battle of Arah (a LOT,… probably 20 or more), those may cause issues for air travel as well straight past Orr.

I mean, YES, they could likely make the trip, but I’m unsure if you could find a crew for it. Romke was the last known captain to try to reach Cantha as far as I know… and look at what happened to him :P.

edit: Interesting fact I found while going through the wiki, on the Prince Edair page.

Commander Steamshroud viewed him as barely better than a mercenary. He notes that Black Citadel was forging a peace with Ebonhawke until Edair was assigned the captaincy there. After that, the southern fields ran with blood—both charr and human—just so a human boy could play with real soldiers instead of wooden ones. He goes on to speculate that those “victories on the field of battle” earned him his father’s approval…or made Beade believe that Edair would be able to defend Kryta.

I don’t have the book so I can’t check on it, but if that passage is true then the Charr and humans were naturally going toward a peace treaty (or working on one) even before the brand.

More like a third. We only climb up a third of the overall structure.

LA doesn’t rule any lands. They just own the havens. Everything else is under the Krytan crown.

Also, “Whats keeping people from going to check?” Travel times, most likely a STRONG fear/dislike of any long voyages (Rata Sum ships to LA, and even that was considered dangerous with Zhaitan). Zhaitan’s bone ships may still be around, just in fewer numbers. The Deep Sea dragon minions, Karka, or other ocean threats may be closer to the surface. (We know for a fact the inquest captured a DSD minion, and it was large then the one hub room in the Crucible of Eternity surface section.

While a weird theory… it does match the fact that when Kiel tries escorting Dessa from the hub area (after the first Reactor fractal story thing), Dessa IMMEDIATELY appears from the gate (well, that’s what I’ve read. I didn’t get a chance to see it personally) and has no idea who Kiel is, implying that she can never leave her little lab there.