Guild Wars 2

Lol great video

The damage is far from terrible. Dont believe the QQ. If going by fun and challenging gameplay, pick ranger. For mind numbingly boring gameplay. Pick warrior.

If he runs away its your win

So in essence if you manage your hp to hover around 75% you will continue to proc the trait

BackToSchool.7318:

Kiran.2705:

No, the reason the ranger isn’t wanted is because the ranger is a memememe kind of character. They offer nothing to the rest of the group outside of raw DPS, and anyone and their dog can do that. The ranger doesn’t excel at DPS. Other classes hit much harder and put on the hurt much faster. Sure, the ranger is hard to master, but even mastering it doesn’t make you a king. It makes you barely on par with mediocre players at every other class, save maybe thieves. Oh boy, all that extra work just to pull my own weight, where the same amount of mastery could make me more effective playing something else. And pets are way bugged, and that which is not bugged is very poorly implemented. F2 skills that miss more than half the time, other skills you can’t control, which also miss, extremely low hit point tables, inability to evade, terrible pathing, non-existent AI, I’m sorry, why do these make us good? The ranger pet is regarded more as a handicap than it is a tool. A reason to not allow us to put out the raw weapon DPS of classes like warriors while simultaneously dragging us further down with its unreliability. Still not master class. Not an ounce of potential there until Anet gets off their lazy keisters and makes some adjustments.

Well you must not have invested much time in tweaking traits/abilities/skills with ranger.

My ranger provides permanent party regen + great healing and condition removal w/ healing spring. I also provide permanent party fury.

On top of that I have the ability to have my pet tank instead of other players, or have it draw attention away if we are running past trash mobs. I also have the ability to provide might and swiftness 50% of the time.

All of this while doing great damage with GS or SS / warhorn and my pet HARDLY ever dies and i have 0 points in beastmastery. Pet never dies because he gets every boon I Get and my build is full of boons (protection, swiftness, might, fury, stability, etc.).

I might post my build so some people realize how useful the ranger is in PvE (and PvP).

The problem that most people are having (myself included) is taht ranger takes WAY longer to create a viable / good build whereas other classes take no time at all.

Post your build. It sounds interesting

If your looking for max damage. Roll a warrior lol damage is what they are designed for.

Tooltip does say ALL damage. So i would assume it would also be conditions.
Sadly it does not work that way.

I would second the idea to make LB have 1500 by default. After all its the longbow that allows an archer to shoot far.

Sebrent.3625:

But we already tested Barrage + Sun Spirit when you mentioned that in the other thread … it will apply burning to only one target and then go on its internal cooldown.

As far as rapid fire + combo fields, shortbow fires at the same speed as rapid fire and doesn’t have a cooldown.

You know i dont use sbows. I prefer the extra range from lbow when fighting in a zerg.

So you are essentially burning 4-5 targets with one proc of sun spirit. Am i right? So that 2 conditions for 1 skill.

Manekk.6981:

KensaiZen.3740:

Or just skip the 20% cooldown reduction

You really want it on a longbow though I think, shortening those last 3 skills on the longbow seems like mandatory for it to work well, atleast to me (I don’t use longbow often)

In wvw zerg warfare yes. However as a roamer, no. Once you get those skills off, the enemy is in your face and you will most likely whip out the melee weapon and take the fight from there. If they run, shoot them down. Though by that time the CD will already be done.

Spvp is the same. You will use it if you are at a good Range and use it as fire support or as a way to soften the enemy. But when gap is 600 range, your better off switching to melee. When you need the LB again, the cooldowns should be finished.

Though depends on your playstyle and if you like to switch weapons a lot or not.

Lol sorry i meant rapid fire lol i was way off on that one. My bad barrage with sun spirit fire fire aoe. Rapid fire and auto to pro projectile finishers

Light combo field+ barrage. Fire combo field+barrage. Water combo field+drake/swoop etc etc

List goes on. But most importantly. You have a chance to keep the conditions going with every shot on multiple opponents.

Pets to add more cc or condition fields.

Act as medic for dead people in the kill zone.

There are things the ranger can do not as good asthe necro. But he brings more to the table in one character.

Or just skip the 20% cooldown reduction

Woo havent posted on the Guardian forums for a while… oh the drama lol

The AH build is a crutch build that is the best all rounded and versatile build. Sure there are more specialised builds which will perform one aspect better, but the AH build is good in all aspects.

Once people learn or develop yheir own playstyle, they will generally create a build that suits them.

So objectively speaking. There is no best build. From one perspective the AH build is great because it offers everything. On another, the specialised build will be better for that person as it fills the role of how he plays.

Both are right.

Though personally i have tried MANY builds and i still prefer the AH build because of versatility (i like multitasking). But thats just me

There is no one build to rule them all.

Healing is not the only viable build for pvp. I run a tanky toughness build for pvp without focusing on toughness and it works fine. Damage is decent and your pretty muchimmortal for 12 seconds. Majority of combat lasts for around 1-3 minutes against good players. Against bunkers its 5+. Had a 10 minute fight with a d/d ele the other night. Can just about take him to 5% then he bursts heals.

Dont use fraps. Try bandicam, should have less affect on your systems resources.

And without video evidence. How do we know you arent just making up the numbers? Or actually running proper tests?

We already have one example of swiftpaws hypothetical test where a warrior is using his max damage skill to compare with a Rangers auto attack sustained damage.

How many variables were factored in during your tests? Are you just basing it on raw numbers? What were the conditions of the test?

I would like to see this experiment in action.

Rhaps.8540:

KensaiZen.3740:

So where are these pro videos? Lots to say and nothing to show?

I think we found whats wrong with this community.

From the forums code of conduct:

Do not spam. This includes bumping threads or making posts that lack content.

Do not submit “trolling” posts or threads. We define “trolling” as commenting in a manner intended to elicit overly strong negative and emotional responses for mere shock value, attempting to derail threads, persistently posting off-topic, or engaging in personal attacks on another forum member.

… just stop now.

Riiiight so im the bad guy lol you guys are hilarious.

Well said. 2 thumbs up

A bit like astro physics and quantum mechanics then lol whatever shall i tell the science community. Sorry your big bang theory is baseless since you cant test it or prove it.

Funnily enough. I have tomorrow off so i might actually have the time to test this. Will see what we can come up with.

The way it is at the moment what is evident is this. The boss has 300k hp. Whichever class can reach 300k first is the winner. Because you are only measuring this. The warrior will win because it is what it was designed to do. However, if one day the devs make a boss with 1,000,000 hp. The Ranger will win. Which one is the “better” class.

Dont pigeonhole the class based on what it was not dedigned to do. Is the damage godly? Yes. Why? Because the shear ease at which this damage can be done and how high the sustained damage is. Non stop plinking away at range.

Either its broken or the tooltip is wrong o.O it looks like the game treats the player character in the same category as invulnerable.

Doesnt work with AoE either

Coldviper.6794:

KensaiZen.3740:

Coldviper.6794:

I for one am loving my ranger. The only thing that I have found is they lack a good utility for large scale fights. But I would rather be a ranger than a thief right now. But that’s just my opinion.

It depends what you want to do in large battles. I either support the zerg with search and rescue to keep the zerg alive and at max strength. Either that or flank the zerg and harrass them from the side, make people chase me with the “Rangers are easy kills” mentality. If i can pull away 5 people from a zerg. Thats effectively reducing their strength by quite a bit for losing very little on yours.

Plenty of ways to support the zerg.

Not that I entirely disagree but truthfully anyone can do many of those things. I’m referring to utility like mass confusion from mesmers and portals, mass blinds from necros, front line cc and support from guardians and warriors, ect…

There’s really nothing like that, that rangers can bring to the table. Unless you consider their long cooldown root. Which could be better on a shorter cooldown and aoe targetable.

Combo field+barrage. Combo field+rapid fire. Be sure to have peircing arrows. Ranger is very goot at spreading conditions non stop.

Search and rescue.

It would have allowed you to continuesly kite whilst your pet picked up your team. In cases where you know people will go down. Always have it equipped.

What good is dps if they are dead.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

I think I should just do what Serbent said and let this thread die. It was fun babe but, it’s cruel of me to keep it going. I’m not making claims. You are. Back them up or get laughed at. Your choice.

Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down.

I put this in bold earlier because I knew you’d make some silly argument about how we should just assume that at a lvl 80 dungeon it would be acceptable damage. It’s actually bad damage for a lvl 75 so not sure how it would magically get better at 80.

Just figured you should also know that ‘effective damage comparison’ is going to include numbers whether you like it or not. If you’re not using some ‘fancy numbers on paper.’ I’m not sure how you arrive to a conclusion? Do we take readings from the stars? Do we divine the answers from teacups?

I’m done lol, I’m so done XD

Peace man!

(Sorry Serbent, I was bored. I’ll stop now.)

No you use other means to measure. Like you know… time. A stop watch. Maybe even a bottle of water with a hole in it.

Sure dps is measured by numbers/time. But that is REAL dps. Not the way people are actually using it. High numbers do not automatically = better damage as time is not factored in. When calculating dps based on dummies and golems in the mists it does not give accurate effective dps but only gives potential damage. There are far more variables to be included in calculating effective damage.

I already gave this example before and i will do so again since some people seem to not get it. Warriors have the highest potential damage in the game. However, they have terrible effective damage which is why they are terrible in spvp and only okayish in WvW.

Guardians have ok potential damage but because they are pretty close to being immortal can apply the damage far more effectively and consistantly.

Rangers do not need to engage in melee. Do not NEED to interupt their attacks with anything. Have extra damage in the form of pets. Even if they need to go into melee they are designed to be godly. Damage mitigation? What better way then to have dodges coming out of your ears.

Cant help it if you cant see the big picture.

Though funnily enough, i think soneone has done some maths on a Ranger build which they say does more damage than a thief. Maybe you should go check it out.

Oh and i woukd still like this video just to compare damage range. And maybe see some amazing pro skills in action. Talk is cheap.

Sigh. ok so lets have a hypothetical situation here (as we haven’t tested anything. it can go either way:

We got a warrior and a ranger.

The warrior hits the boss for 20k with on hit of HB and the ranger hits the boss for 3k with one shot. The boss fears the warrior away and the ranger keeps ‘plinking’ away at the boss with 3k hits. Let’s assume the ranger gets one hit off a second and lets say the war is feared for 3seconds and is not DPS’sing for a total of 4 seconds. So 4×3, the ranger has done 12k damage in the time the warrior is out of action + his 3k. so that’s 15k damage. The warrior is still ahead by 5k damage, and he gets back in the fight and does another 20k and so on.

This is a totally hypothetical example but as you can see, just because the ranger is hitting the boss the entire time, does not mean he is keeping up with the warrior’s DPS or outdpsing him.

This is why these things need to be measured and proven instead of just assuming that it’s good. We dont know whether the ranger out dps’s the warrior in that time. Many people would believe though, that it does not, because dungeons tend to go alot quicker and bosses tend to die faster with other classes than they do rangers.

Anywho my final post, good luck with your testing.

HB twice in 3 seconds? Is this actually possible? Lol now factor in that the boss will do an aoe attack that the warrior has to dodge. Also factor in the boss actually moving. Also factor in any adds that are attacking the warrior or CC him.

Also it must be a totally unbiased comparison as in this scenario the warrior was using HB and the Ranger was using auto attack.

But anyway, the longer the fight goes on the warrior loses ground in damage. We already know the Ranger is not a burst class. Sustained damage is more effective the longer the fight lasts but it is reliable damage. Hell you didnt even factor in pet damage either.

Nice try though. I can clearly see how you are thinking.

Coldviper.6794:

I for one am loving my ranger. The only thing that I have found is they lack a good utility for large scale fights. But I would rather be a ranger than a thief right now. But that’s just my opinion.

It depends what you want to do in large battles. I either support the zerg with search and rescue to keep the zerg alive and at max strength. Either that or flank the zerg and harrass them from the side, make people chase me with the “Rangers are easy kills” mentality. If i can pull away 5 people from a zerg. Thats effectively reducing their strength by quite a bit for losing very little on yours.

Plenty of ways to support the zerg.

swiftpaw.6397:

I think I should just do what Serbent said and let this thread die. It was fun babe but, it’s cruel of me to keep it going. I’m not making claims. You are. Back them up or get laughed at. Your choice.

Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down.

I put this in bold earlier because I knew you’d make some silly argument about how we should just assume that at a lvl 80 dungeon it would be acceptable damage. It’s actually bad damage for a lvl 75 so not sure how it would magically get better at 80.

Just figured you should also know that ‘effective damage comparison’ is going to include numbers whether you like it or not. If you’re not using some ‘fancy numbers on paper.’ I’m not sure how you arrive to a conclusion? Do we take readings from the stars? Do we divine the answers from teacups?

I’m done lol, I’m so done XD

Peace man!

(Sorry Serbent, I was bored. I’ll stop now.)

No you use other means to measure. Like you know… time. A stop watch. Maybe even a bottle of water with a hole in it.

Sure dps is measured by numbers/time. But that is REAL dps. Not the way people are actually using it. High numbers do not automatically = better damage as time is not factored in. When calculating dps based on dummies and golems in the mists it does not give accurate effective dps but only gives potential damage. There are far more variables to be included in calculating effective damage.

I already gave this example before and i will do so again since some people seem to not get it. Warriors have the highest potential damage in the game. However, they have terrible effective damage which is why they are terrible in spvp and only okayish in WvW.

Guardians have ok potential damage but because they are pretty close to being immortal can apply the damage far more effectively and consistantly.

Rangers do not need to engage in melee. Do not NEED to interupt their attacks with anything. Have extra damage in the form of pets. Even if they need to go into melee they are designed to be godly. Damage mitigation? What better way then to have dodges coming out of your ears.

Cant help it if you cant see the big picture.

Though funnily enough, i think soneone has done some maths on a Ranger build which they say does more damage than a thief. Maybe you should go check it out.

Oh and i woukd still like this video just to compare damage range. And maybe see some amazing pro skills in action. Talk is cheap.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

Where did I claim how you play is wrong?

It’s almost as if you invent something out of nothing just to distract from your poor arguments.

Here is what was said:

Makes thread about godly ranger DPS…
Can’t prove it, makes video about keeping pets alive in easy dungeon…
At the same time shows god-awful DPS and doesn’t even use healing spring whilst wearing magic find runes.
Calls anyone who questions him a troll.

I Never said it was the wrong way to play but it sure doesn’t give your poor arguments any credit when you make a video that has nothing to do with your original post and actually contradicts your OP because the damage was poor and you couldn’t even account for it with group utility because you wouldn’t touch healing spring.

Is this the wrong way to play? I never said so, but maybe you realised it was all by yourself, so good job on your part!

You seem to forget. There was another video for hotw which had better damage and STILK kept the pet alive. The gear was irrelevant as it proved it can be done with the crappest gear i had. Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down. Who says that you have to have healing spring? Perhaps this is why none of you can keep your pets aluve. You are not using the skills provided to do it and claim it broken.

You trolls are hilarious.

My oppinions seem ti be obselete because i am a noob Ranger. I would love to see what you “pro” Rangers can do. I provide videos when asked. Funny how none of you can. Troll? I would think so.

/facepalm

No one is claiming they are a ‘pro ranger.’
It’s best you stop deluding yourself.
Once again, why even post the hotw video if it has nothing to do with your OP about ‘godly ranged DPS.’

Your lack of healing spring is an observation because you were providing poor dps for the team regardless of whether your pet was alive and so, one would expect you to at least provide for them in another way (aka healing spring). Once again though, this is all just another distraction from your embarrassment of an OP.

Your ‘opinions’ are obsolete because you cannot prove them. This has nothing to do with how good you or anyone else thinks you are.

This thread is a joke until you can prove your claims and you don’t seem to be able to, instead you just want to distract from the point because you don’t want to admit that you cant prove it and thus you shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than someone who says they see pigs flying.

’You’re a troll! you’re accusing me of being bad wah wah wah.’

Nothing I say will sway you though, so do carry on making an embarrassment of the ranger class. It’s not my loss.

Ok so me plinking away whilst people were running away from the boss was not proof to what i said? Lol how many times do i have to explain it? “Omg your numbers are terrible” that is the only thing you pro Rangers seem to understand. There is no hope for you people.

Other sustained damage class like the Guardians community realised long ago it was not about high numbers. The effective damage output of the class is what matters.

Though there is a point about 40+ fractals. But then if the Rangers are only bad in say 5% of the entire game. Then im sure people can live with being good in 95% of the game.

And be sure to make your video. I would love to see how much higher the damage difference actually is, seeing as i dont run GC builds. Effective damage comparison. Not some fancy numbers on paper. Ok?

You also have signet of stone which is another 6 seconds invulnerability (traited) for you and your pet. This has a very good synergy with regen skills like troll ungent. So effectively, you can run 6 seconds of invulnerability AND have a second hp bar giving you 12 seconds to go on a rampage. More then enough time to kill people.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

Where did I claim how you play is wrong?

It’s almost as if you invent something out of nothing just to distract from your poor arguments.

Here is what was said:

Makes thread about godly ranger DPS…
Can’t prove it, makes video about keeping pets alive in easy dungeon…
At the same time shows god-awful DPS and doesn’t even use healing spring whilst wearing magic find runes.
Calls anyone who questions him a troll.

I Never said it was the wrong way to play but it sure doesn’t give your poor arguments any credit when you make a video that has nothing to do with your original post and actually contradicts your OP because the damage was poor and you couldn’t even account for it with group utility because you wouldn’t touch healing spring.

Is this the wrong way to play? I never said so, but maybe you realised it was all by yourself, so good job on your part!

You seem to forget. There was another video for hotw which had better damage and STILK kept the pet alive. The gear was irrelevant as it proved it can be done with the crappest gear i had. Wanting to see really high damage on a downscaled dungeon is trolling as the damage would scale down. Who says that you have to have healing spring? Perhaps this is why none of you can keep your pets aluve. You are not using the skills provided to do it and claim it broken.

You trolls are hilarious.

My oppinions seem ti be obselete because i am a noob Ranger. I would love to see what you “pro” Rangers can do. I provide videos when asked. Funny how none of you can. Troll? I would think so.

This build can work in WvW skirmish if used with 6x melandru+lemongrasd soup. You will only ever get stunned for 1 second and all other conditions just fly off. Allows skill set up to be focused on something else.

His build also has in built cripples with sword/dagger as well as entangle. That is plenty tohold targets diwn to be bursted by the jaguar. 3 seconds was all it took to take diwn that golem.

Would like to see it in action though. Any chance to see a “live” demonstration?

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

That would be because I’m not the one making the crazy claims see how this works yet?

No, but you are claiming how i play is the “wrong” way to do it. I would love to see the “right” way. So you must be somekind of pro with amazing skills right? Why don’t you show us? I am sure the ranger community would love to see the effects of all the number crunching in a “live” situation.

Everything looks good on paper.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Always trying to turn it around to distract from the fact that you’ve got nothing eh kensai. Nice try.

Havent seen anything from you either

Bailey.6892:

KensaiZen.3740:

Go into the mists and try out the skills and rune sets. Fighting those npc classes is just like PvE.

You wont waste money for gear or trait change either.

Dont be lazy.

How do you get the npc’s? When I talk to the npc he says something about maybe should try the dodge trainer and wont let me get a sparring partner.

There is an area in the north east that has a npc repeesentetive of each class that you can 1v1 with. Its a good way to test builds in a more active environment.

Sebrent.3625:

Kensai, the way to do that is to show real facts, good gameplay, and promote discussion … not make wild claims, lack facts, and show horrible gameplay and claim it’s good.

Havent seen anything from you yet.

Go into the mists and try out the skills and rune sets. Fighting those npc classes is just like PvE.

You wont waste money for gear or trait change either.

Dont be lazy.

Boo saturdays guess i cant join the fun.

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Unparralelled archers… any other class can use 2 types of bows?

I think the description is too vague and leaves too much for peoples expectations and assumptions.

i happen to be a national archer meself… (hence the interest in the archer type rangers/classes)… now i am competeing in the compound bows….

i can also shoot olympic recurves or traditional wooden longbows….

being able to use all these does not make me an “unparralel archer”… looking at my scores when i shoot with each of them can easily tell you that… that makes me compound bow competitionist… who also shoots other types of bows as a hobby!

i dont see an assumption there… but again my friend that is just me…

So are you comparing yourself against other archers or are you comparing yourself against a fencer who knows how to use a hunting bow?

Unparraleld archer. I dont see any other archers in the game. Comparing it to theif and warrior. I think ranger wins on this one easily.

Well that is not the case… and if a fencer who happens to use a hunting bow, can be a lot more effective than “the unparallel archer” i actually suspect the definition of the archer…

you may find the bow / play with a bow more effective than me playing my thief… thats good… but after having played all 3 professions with a bow that is not my experience…

The theif sbow falls into a niche roll. I dont think there is any thief out there who only uses it without swapping. Ive seen very few a few months ago but they really werent that good. A warrior who only uses Lbow is just as bad. They have those ranged options but the class was nit designed for it.

Rangers can use lbow/sbow for all ranged situations. In this respect they are unmatched.

i must remind you that in my original post i made clear that i am basing my opinion on WvW environment… thief shortbow has much more effectiveness than ours and warrior longbow is superior to ours in there in my experience…

and in there i am a much more effective ranged class either with my warrior rifle/longbow setup or my thief on shortbow/double pistols setup if i want to…

as a ranger being able to wield longbow / shortbow at the same time does not mean you re a more accomplished ranged class than the others…

I understand what you are saying but the context is “archer” not ranged. The thief sbiw is limited and so is warrior lbow. Ranger is the only class to utilise 2 bows to fill the “archer” role at ling and mid/close range.

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Unparralelled archers… any other class can use 2 types of bows?

I think the description is too vague and leaves too much for peoples expectations and assumptions.

i happen to be a national archer meself… (hence the interest in the archer type rangers/classes)… now i am competeing in the compound bows….

i can also shoot olympic recurves or traditional wooden longbows….

being able to use all these does not make me an “unparralel archer”… looking at my scores when i shoot with each of them can easily tell you that… that makes me compound bow competitionist… who also shoots other types of bows as a hobby!

i dont see an assumption there… but again my friend that is just me…

So are you comparing yourself against other archers or are you comparing yourself against a fencer who knows how to use a hunting bow?

Unparraleld archer. I dont see any other archers in the game. Comparing it to theif and warrior. I think ranger wins on this one easily.

Well that is not the case… and if a fencer who happens to use a hunting bow, can be a lot more effective than “the unparallel archer” i actually suspect the definition of the archer…

you may find the bow / play with a bow more effective than me playing my thief… thats good… but after having played all 3 professions with a bow that is not my experience…

The theif sbow falls into a niche roll. I dont think there is any thief out there who only uses it without swapping. Ive seen very few a few months ago but they really werent that good. A warrior who only uses Lbow is just as bad. They have those ranged options but the class was nit designed for it.

Rangers can use lbow/sbow for all ranged situations. In this respect they are unmatched.

Chokolata.1870:

Sigh…. i refuse to accept this … i like my ranger !!!! They are not underpowered , everyone else is overpowered!!!!!

I dont think anyone is saying that. But you do have a point.

Warrior. Simplest class in the game. No skill
Theif. Broken class that is OP. No skill
Mesmer. Really well designed class (mechanics wise) and requires skill to be good.
Guardian. Almost on par with how simple it is to play and build. No skill
Havent even played an ele yet so cant comment.

Engineers. Have more to cry about then anyone.

Rangers is an advanced class to play. The pet mechanic requires pet management to be effective. No other class has to play 2 characters at the same time. Summons arent the same as they require no management and are on fixed CD with is usually shorter than 60 secs too.

Looking at the Ranger as a whole. It is difficult to plsy by design.

Seyyah.6135:

KensaiZen.3740:

Unparralelled archers… any other class can use 2 types of bows?

I think the description is too vague and leaves too much for peoples expectations and assumptions.

i happen to be a national archer meself… (hence the interest in the archer type rangers/classes)… now i am competeing in the compound bows….

i can also shoot olympic recurves or traditional wooden longbows….

being able to use all these does not make me an “unparralel archer”… looking at my scores when i shoot with each of them can easily tell you that… that makes me compound bow competitionist… who also shoots other types of bows as a hobby!

i dont see an assumption there… but again my friend that is just me…

So are you comparing yourself against other archers or are you comparing yourself against a fencer who knows how to use a hunting bow?

Unparraleld archer. I dont see any other archers in the game. Comparing it to theif and warrior. I think ranger wins on this one easily.

Unparralelled archers… any other class can use 2 types of bows?

I think the description is too vague and leaves too much for peoples expectations and assumptions.

wauwi.9162:

i’m not a pro but would someone seriously would like to see me hit&run a high level champion troll (actually meaning a mob, not a player :P) for 15 minutes?
i mean i don’t have any choice…my server’s so empty in alot of areas (tho it’s “very high” populated..) and i wanna to do events.

or should i start recording every dungeon run to prove that i’m always the last one who dies? (i mean of course, with 1500 range, usual dodge + 1HS dodge + lightning reflexes-dodge which buffs my endurance regeneration and also removes stun and the ability to let my pet heal myself ALOT when downed…)

well, my primary function is to support (neverending fury with redmoa+horn) and as long as i’m alive i can support and help downed mates. being able to stack 6 might (7 for me) for the party does increase the overall damage also quite a bit.

…still getting torn apart within less then a second by ascalonian gravelings. -_-’

can’t say much about how good i am against other players tho…not played enough WvW or sPvP yet to can tell…i mean i own quite alot when i do, but that could just be, cuz i’ve met newbs…i mean i’ve slayed a warriors in sPvP in a few seconds…that’s just not right.

i’m just an average player who found his “rythm” with his favorite class.
still dying and failing enough times…man, after 7months, i’m not even geared up yet…still having yellows and greens equipped. now that’s not casual anymore…that’s lazy

Honestly i wouldnt mind. At least it will show active strategies and tactics in live situations instead of comparing numbers and stats on paper.

Not everything will work for everyone. It would be good to see someone make something work and see how they make it work.

Better to breed a new generation of “can do” Rangers then an army of “omfg we suck” failures.

Ok moving on from my wild claims There seems to be so many pro’s on the Ranger forum who knows how to do it right. Can we get some videos to see their amazing skills?

Not actually seen anything but pretty words Shouldn’t be too hard right. I mean, what do you have to compare with? my nooby videos. Can’t get any worse ^_-

Signet of stone. 6 seconds they cant hit you or your pet (traited)

jewishjoyride.4693:

Not sure why you say CoF is elitist. I’ve found it to be the easiest dungeon to pug. Just stand outside and put your hand up.

As far as content in arah the only boss I can think of that offers any real challenge aside from Lupicus is Simin. Every other boss essentially just has lots of health and easy mechanics.

The trickiest sections in Arah are often the running sections as the trash mobs tend to hit much harder than in other dungeons. Some of them can even outrun you at times.

Again, nice vids Robyn!

And get full exotic gear for crying out loud ;P

You are one of the lucky ones that dont have many kittenheads on the server. There are servers out there that are very elitest and will only accept warriors in the party.

So where are these pro videos? Lots to say and nothing to show?

I think we found whats wrong with this community.

iitwinz.1420:

KensaiZen.3740:

oh no doubt Kai is very good. We already know that the warrior does much higher damage. What is your point? Damage and high vitality is what warriors specialise in. Whats your point? Also notice he is running with his own guild group who have been playing with each other for a very long time and are very well coordinated.

Lets see some of your WvW videos. I would love to see how amazing you are with the Ranger. Actually with all your classes.

Hey just wondering, does GW2 have an inbuilt recording system or what program do people normally use to record with?

I use a software called Bandicam. Its free and the fps is decent.

Robyn Yew.6072:

KensaiZen.3740:

You can speed it up and make it shorter. Maybe i should do one too.

Yes you should make one to, mine wont be the best but i just wanted to show that rangers can do the dungeon np. Send me a link if you end up making one.

Sure, will do.

You can speed it up and make it shorter. Maybe i should do one too.

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

swiftpaw.6397:

KensaiZen.3740:

i was talking WvW seeing as the video was done in WvW. Got to love you trolls.

How about each one of you do a video of your skills in WvW for all of us noobs to be amazed at. Maybe then i will know where i am going wrong

You seem a little angry. Take into account he said back-line. back line fotm, back line WvW, same diff.

Not angry at all. I am taking into consideration that perhaps what you guys say is actually true. I would like to see video of your amazing skills and see where i have gone wrong.

Actually just tried this out in sPvP today to test for effective damage. I can see why everyone thinks Rangers are so crap. People who play glassy Rangers are terrible. I think I did pretty well as a noob Ranger. Can kill every other class except for mesmer. Just not used to fighting one as a Ranger.

So, as I have produced crappy videos showing my lack of skill with this class, I would love to see all the amazing skills that I am apparently lacking in flow. Perhaps I will see why you guys think the way you do.

This will be interesting

all those smiley faces seem pretty passive aggressive, just sayin.

Show me some videos pls

Video of what? I’m not the one here making the insane claims.

Please refrain from being so angry at me.

Video to show how a Ranger “should” be played. Obviously you guys are the pro experienced Rangers. I would like to see where i was going wrong.

Im far from being angry. Just giving an oppurtunity to look at it from another perspective.