Guild Wars 2

moirweyn.9872:

We don’t get the bonuses while playing WvW? WTH?

So… let me get this straight:

1) No bonuses
2) Crap drop system
3) Crap rewards
4) Crap badge drops
5) Spend a lot of gold doing it

Please tell me this is not the case…. please.

This is why I’ve quit WvW until Feb. In the time I’ve spent in WvW I could have made a legendary weapon by now. But since I am loyal to my server (god knows why) I stay at around 5G because I spend all I make on WvW.

Anet, wake the hell up. WvW is dying.

BroScientist.9875:

KensaiZen.3740:

The only gripe I have about the bonuses is that the people who get them do not benefit from them.

The people who have to constantly WvW spend time and money in WvW and do not PvE often. Those that do PvE never help WvW.

To gain higher points so that the benefits get better, people have to sacrifice time to WvW. On Servers like FoW where there is a enormous population that do only PvE and reap the benefits of WvW folks efforts is quite sickening.

Absolutely ridiculous way they have designed the bonuses. Do WvW and get no rewards to get bonuses for people who do not help you….. yeah that sounds about right.

So wvw bonuses only affect pve? They don’t affect anyone playing wvw?

In WvW you would be too busy to be killing mobs to even notice it. Unless you farm areas in WvW then its useless Bonuses. In WvW you spend far more money on repairs and upgrades then you would be making. So in fact these bonuses you will never feel unless you were on a server that gets over 200k points every week.

Same.4687:

Well in all honesty I do think camps are too easy to cap solo. I’m a condition thief and I have no problems taking down camps. Hell I won’t even drop below 75% HP doing it with my build.
A fully upgraded camp with extra guards and lvl 82 stuff still can be taken out solo, it just takes a bit longer to do than the regular camps. In which ofcourse people can jump in to defend.

Anyway, I do think there should be a bigger challenge to capping supply camps than what it is now. I’m not saying you need a team of 10 people but atleast require like 3 skilled players to take down a camp.

I wouldn’t mind that. WvW shouldn’t really be about 1 man show. Everything should require a small group of some kind. It will promote team work.

There are plenty of solo man activities to do in WvW such as scouting, luring enemies into traps, defending camps etc. Everything should be geared towards team based action. Get the guilds involved in a creative way.

Orion.1678:

KensaiZen.3740:

I don’t think Guardians need a new weapon. Perhaps a new utility skill if not a new weapon.

Bow of the righteous = Summons a bow of light (in your hands) which will give you access to a new set of weapon skills.

Something a long the lines of Engineers kit skills but with a timer. A tank with a everlasting effective range attacks would be invincible and OP.

I don’t like the idea of having a ranged weapon on a cool down. It seems cool, but taking a utility slot to have an adequate ranged option does not sit well with me. I doubt we’d be OP with better ranged options; all we need are serious changes to scepter and staff (to a lesser extent) and that would be acceptable.

Your quite wrong. Guardians have the ability to mitigate a tonne of attacks. to allow a guardian to be able to throw out good damage at range whilst being able to do it is incredibly OP.

We are pretty kitten strong in melee as it is. The only way to beat a guardian is to kite it. So what happens when you cant kite a guardian? game over.

We have wall of reflection as our main counter to range. Pop this up for 5 seconds whilst throwing out all our lets say a new guardian longbow skills would be insta kill.

If they give us better ranged ability they will have to nerf us in our survivability. I don’t particularly wan’t that so the best solution I can see is to have a range skill set on utility that’s timed. It won’t make us OP in any way as it will be limited.

If said skill set was a permanent utility skill then its use would either be for CC or do very little damage.

Got to factor in the balance factor. Sure Guardians can do with a new long range ability/weapon. But lets not ask for something that will just mean we get nerfed some more

hmmm…. tbh I think going the 0/10/30/30/0 route is a better option (OP can have his fun. just saying) but with gear dedicated to increasing dmg. IE Berzerker gear. Good survivability from AH and EM and massive damage from the gear.

If you wanted an escape in that sense then I suggest making a Norn Guardian and choosing the leopard for its invis skill.

Thers your escape option. It may not be as good as theif or mesmer but its an option thats available.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

KensaiZen.3740:

If you want the guards to be stronger. Upgrade them

Basic camps are impossible for 1 regular person to do Solo. Possible for a skilled person to do.

A full squad is 5 people.

3-4 people no matter what lvl or class should be able to take camps even if not skilled.

The scaling is fine. You just have to have people actively guarding the camps if you don’t want the enemy to capture it.

I solo camps on my elementalist all the time and I can do it while eating.
Just pop a ally summon utility skill and the rest is a joke.
Any lv80 with all their skills unlocked can solo camps easily.

Well except maybe a warrior because of the annoying blinds.
But I’ve still manage to solo some camps on mines as well, just takes a little longer.

Not every lvl 80 can do it. I’ve seen people try. I’ve not got a problem with it. I play a guardian AH hammer build. I can face tank an entire camp.

Not everyone can do it solo. Some will find it harder than others. But its balanced.

The only gripe I have about the bonuses is that the people who get them do not benefit from them.

The people who have to constantly WvW spend time and money in WvW and do not PvE often. Those that do PvE never help WvW.

To gain higher points so that the benefits get better, people have to sacrifice time to WvW. On Servers like FoW where there is a enormous population that do only PvE and reap the benefits of WvW folks efforts is quite sickening.

Absolutely ridiculous way they have designed the bonuses. Do WvW and get no rewards to get bonuses for people who do not help you….. yeah that sounds about right.

I don’t think Guardians need a new weapon. Perhaps a new utility skill if not a new weapon.

Bow of the righteous = Summons a bow of light (in your hands) which will give you access to a new set of weapon skills.

Something a long the lines of Engineers kit skills but with a timer. A tank with a everlasting effective range attacks would be invincible and OP.

I think the problem stems from peoples simplistic view of “There is no holy trinity”

Anet have said there is no fixed classes. Every class can do every role. What Anet did not say was that every class can do every role just as good as each other. There is no equality in GW2. Some classes do better at certain things than others.

Guardians are better at tanking/Defensive play but they can also use ranged if they want. It is probably the worst at ranged combat but its still possible.

Ele, Rangers, Mesmers are very good at ranged combat but they can also melee but not very well.

Escape skills are primarily used for classes with less armour and less defensive skills. These skills will only help them to survive 2-3 seconds at most against a good player before they are found and murdered.

Guardian skills help you survive 2-3 seconds if your a good player (against 5 people)

There is balance after all. Go figure. If you want escape skills. Go play a squishy class. Its the reason they have escape skills.

There is no holy trinity = every class should be the same and have the same type of skills. Yeah right.

Some people are just too stupid beyond help.

AH Hammer guardian summons 2 hounds of balthazaar = pretty much invincible for 30 seconds.

Hammer 3 symbol will give aditional healing per ally (including hounds) within the symbol. You can pretty mcuh face tank anything. Even bosses. Perfect for solo play or dungeons.

Its as if it was made for Human guardians. Perfect synergy.

I think they should have just dedicated WvW servers and PvE servers. This way the WvW can remain competetive without being highly populated by PvE folks that do nothing for WvW.

TBH I don’t see why we have to waste our time and money in WvW to gain buffs for the whole server when PvE people do noting for WvW people. Its pretty one sided and total BS.

crafting is not really an option since it will require him to PvE for the mats. Unless he somehow magically makes tonnes of money from WvW which I doubt will happen.

5 ecto per piece of armour not to mention the orihalcum ore needed. Basing the price of Ecto at 22s thats over 1G per piece of exo armour. Full set cost around 6G to craft if you don’t farm mats.

Added you need to grind crafting to 400 which will cost another 4-5G (depending how much mats you have picked up a long the way to 80 on your Main)

11G for a set of Exo armour…. and he has stated he does not want to do ANY PvE. Crafting is not a realistic option unless you make money in WvW for a week.

You gain Karma incredibly quick in WvW so I suggest you get Gods armour from Orr. Save your badges for WvW for buying prints etc. That way you will still make some money from WvW and still get your exotics without doing any PvE or dungeons.

The only problem is (not suere if this is al servers) getting the temples open (FoW is hopeless at this) you will usually need about 10-20 people to open the hard temples.

If you want the guards to be stronger. Upgrade them

Basic camps are impossible for 1 regular person to do Solo. Possible for a skilled person to do.

A full squad is 5 people.

3-4 people no matter what lvl or class should be able to take camps even if not skilled.

The scaling is fine. You just have to have people actively guarding the camps if you don’t want the enemy to capture it.

I used to work in the Games industry so let me translate this for you

“We are planning major improvements to WvW with a lot of new additions. However, we are not yet certain if all the new additions will be ready to be released on time in february so we will not anounce anything yet until we have something more solid from the programmers of what features will be ready to launch in february.”

Things don’t usually go as planned when you propose something too far ahead so its best to be tight lipped until you have something solid to give to the community. If they anounce something and only for it not to be ready on time, there would be a massive cry for developer blood 100%

Just picture how many whiney little kitten there are already. Now imagine if they were told they will get a new toy then they didn’t get it, how they will react to it.

Minimising the damage by not giving away too much. Unfortunately it is the best thing to do in such iorcircumstances.

Just be patient. I am sure they will anounce it in January. The programmers should have something more solid by then.

If you have problems against our night crew, you guys arent ready to Tier up

All we need is for our day time people to stop dicking about in PvE and get into WvW and do something.

You can always join a different server to find parties for Arah. In FoW, Arah is usualy dead so completing the story took me 2 weeks of waiting.

I’ve recently jumped to Desolation to check out some good WvW action and found that in Arah there are tonnes of people. And whats more, the way these people all help each other to open temples and keeping Arah open is quite refreshing.

If your stuck trying to complete Arah, just jump to a higher populated server. Once its done, hop back. Its that simple.

Im a guardian, I can solo a young karka with only losing 5% hp. I can face tank a Vet karka with only using hammer auto attack and AH (though a dodge now and again may be involved). I can tank 5 young karka at the same time and come out laughing.

The only thing dangerous about karkas are their 1 skill. Wall of Reflection = instant win.

They should have just made this into a dungeon level difficulty area. Its too boring as it is. Not much variety. Karkas are no challenge at all.

Mobs too difficult? god no. GW2 battle mechanics means you have to be a bit more proactive then to just click and attack like other MMO’s. Learn to play. You will live longer.

Well unless your a guardian and can just tank through just about everything in the game. Its understandable why we got the nerf bat so many times

Totally agree. You can’t please everybody.

PvE content needs to constantly updated or people will be bored and quit. PvP needs to be updated because they want to turn this into an eSport.

What is WvW for? its probably the best option they have in game IMO but it was never intended to have a major function. Thus, low on the priority list of things to update.

If all they did was focus on fixing bugs and not implement new content for the western gamers with the attention span of gold fishes to lap up, all those numpties would quit the game.

NEVER!!!! the gap is closing on you RoS boys. Soon we will catch up and beat you for sure. It wil be FoW that goes up in rank and will continue to go up in rank for time to come.

Why don’t you all just jump to FoW and join us instead? RoS days are numbered

Im usually on WvW 24/7 and can tell you quite accurately that FoW numbers do not hit 30-40 very often. Standard FoW Zerg size is between 10 to 15 people dwindling down to about 5-10 at off peak times (night time).

There has only ever been 2 occasions that I’ve seen where FoW have outnumbered RoS and that is when RoS have its forces split over different maps.

Only within the last week have we seen a small increase in the FoW WvW scene. Before then it was always the same players battling it out against overwhelming numbers. But hey, its a challenge. It’s taught us how to fight guerrilla warfare in WvW and it taught us how to work better as a small group.

A few weeks ago when Vabbi used to dominate by sheer force of numbers (yes it was due to numbers because in no time on an even playing field did they ever win) with hackers and bots, we never complained. Why? because we knew they were cheating and that Anet would put a stop to their evil ways. They were more of a joke to us then anything. And look what happened to them when the crack down came lol Vabbi got destroyed.

At that time Vabbi was filled with “oh we only want to play on the winning side” people that jumped from FoW to Vabbi. Now they jumped from Vabbi to RoS. There is no hiding, we recognise who they are and what guilds etc. Its the same sad story at the bottom as well as the mid and top tiers (but on a smaller scale) WvW gets ruined by these people who only want to “win” but without putting effort into it. These kind of people have a far greater impact on the smaller servers as the numbers really do matter.

What I propose is an alliance between servers. FoW and Vabbi vs RoS. This should even it up a bit. Our borderlands are off limits from each other but RoS borderlands and EB is fair game. What do you guys think?

Either that or Anet should just merge the low population servers to keep things competitive.

Either way FoW will not surrender!!!! we just seem to have an massive amount of PvE guilds that do sweet F all (yes YOGS this means you too. 400 members and none are ever seen in WvW)

Might have been some of the many hackers that jumped from Vabbi to RoS. Just speculation mind you since we noticed a crap load of hackers and botters that went from Vabbi to RoS.

Either that or your friends buy gold from websites.

As a reply to the statement about the bottom being dead. I think we are probably having more fun at the bottom lol no queues. Every war requires perfect strategy to compensate for the lack of numbers. Real team work from the server and not large guild dependent. The list goes on.

FoW will never die, our legend has just begun

To me it didn’t seem like I reflected anything. Every attack just went straight through. I think the mechanic is based on weapon rather then the skill itself. GS is classed as Melee and everything it does is classed as a Melee attack. Although in the hands of a Mesmer it turns into a ranged weapon and doesn’t register with WoR.

This needs to be fixed, it gives mesmers an unfair advantage when all other classes can have their attacks reflected.

Will need further testing to see exactly which skills.

Just had a long lesion in sPvP last night and noticed that wall of reflection does not seem to work against mesmers attacks.

Is this the case for others also?

A guardian is a cleric…. clerics that also use swords lol

I’m in the same boat. Don’t think I’ve ever had it work either lol

Don’t believe what you see here. Warriors have high burst damage not higher overall damage. The guardian is all about sustained damage and AOE.

Warriors generally die faster than guardians so it balances out.

In W3 I doubt there is a more versatile class in the game. Who needs ranged when you have wall of reflection? Lol 5 seconds of reflected damage to your enemy does an incredible amount of damage even to a Zerg. My tactic is to run in front of a Zerg and put up a wall of reflection as my team covers me with range support and other Melee rush in unscathed. The great thing is you will not go down at all if played right.

As for killing? Elementalists go down quick, mesmers just the same (but requires a bit more tact), necro takes a bit longer but seeing as they can’t kill you it doesn’t matter, rangers? Lol steam rolled, thrives are just lol warriors are only dangerous for 10 seconds, survive their burst and they die pretty quick (guardians burning dmg really hurts them as we’ll as doing consistent dmg while your trying to stay alive chips away their high HP. After the 10 seconds you will automatically have that evil grin and say “my turn kitten”. The only thing to avoid are other guardians. It will take a good 5 minutes before you can see who has the upper hand.

The sceptre is decent at mid range, which is great when combined with wall of reflection. It’s not like we don’t have any range. Guardians are frontline soldiers. Your not supposed to have back and go pew pew. There may not be a trinity in GW2 but some classes do certain things better than others.

lol funnily enough I totally agree on the getting F all for money side. I made myself bankrupt twice by helping the server by fortifying a keep and buying siege prints. The rewards from WvW are terrible compared to the cost of effort to do it properly.

I wouldn’t mind too much if you can buy everything with Karma. I would love to get my hands on a set of T3 armour, but unfortunately its only gold that can buy it but thats never going to happen because WvW = Biggest money sink in the game. Exotics is nothing compared to the amount of money it takes to upgrade and fortify on a daily basis.

This is same situation with the bottom tier EU servers. A few weeks ago it was FoW v RoS v Vabbi with Vabbi having more people than both RoS and FoW together! but since RoS has been doing better in WvW it seems a massive population of people jumped ship from Vabbi to join RoS. (only the hardcore players stay in FoW and never jump server even if we are bottom. the saying goes "the official colour for FoW is red! lol

This kind of stupidness is causing instability on the lower population servers at an extreme level. Something needs to be done about it. Hell, just server merge the low population servers together would be a better solution. At least this way a high population server is balanced off with WvW queuing. Low population servers just get steam rolled. (15 vs 50 everyday is an uphill struggle, but we will never surrender!!! Go FoW!!!)

wall of reflection does not work against AOE. Would be great if it did, but it would make it stupidly powerful. You would destroy a siege engine in seconds by reflecting its shot back.

I think the easiest fix the Dev’s can do is to make PvE armours and weapons available in WvW for badges and karma. This is possibly the easiest implementation they could do.

All stat variable items, weapons, armour etc should be made available. Give people who like to PvP more an option to gaining something by doing what they like.

Some people do not even venture into PvE anymore. Heck, after I finished cursed shore the only thing I’ve done is WvW. There just wasn’t anything else in PvE that was “interesting”.

E-sport side of GW2 is Spvp and TPvP. If your in WvW for E-sport, your in the wrong place.

You have sPvP and tPvP which are balanced. PvE which is all about about openness, then you have WvW which is in between. Take your pick.

Like most have stated, WvW was never intended to be balanced. It is a war simulation where armies fight to control resources and capture bases. This is the essence of WvW. WvW is PvP with open variables with added objectives.

Honestly, I have no idea what you people think WvW is supposed to be. Its like eating an orange and expecting it to taste like a apple.

War simulations aren’t about fairness. Lets keep it that way.

So needless to say, the easiest fix for this problem is for Anet to provide the gear that can be attained through PvE and dungeons.

I can live with this. I have stupid amounts of Karma that needs spending and I’ll wait forever for cursed shores temples to be opened.

Fissure of Woe. Fishes of Woe lol

Oh the good times

Guildwars… a game where no two people played the same build….EVER! well at least it felt that way not to mention the tournaments.. oh god..why the hell is it only 5 people per party now?!?!?

I understand that the majority of people had to come from such a stupidly simple game like WoW, but there are people who genuinely loved the original GW mechanics such as myself.

The fond memories of having to capture skills was amazing. The endless combination of skills was challenging to create and play!

GW2 doesn’t even come close to capturing those moments. Sure its a really good game, but its not a “great” game. I hope this changes with the expansions.

What has worked out for me so far is 0/5/30/30/5 with mace/shield as the primary and all the other weapons in my bag as secondary (though usually have a hammer equipped)

Altruistic Healing is a must. The rest are cooldown reductions and symbols. Wearing tanky exotics.

Utilities are shout based with “retreat” is somtimes swapped with “stand your ground” and SY as the main shout utility. the last utility is wall of reflection (for those pesky ranged people). As an elite I go for hounds of balthazaar as they provide more healing when they are inside my large symbols

This has worked wonders so far. Easily able to cap supply camps by myself by just standing there and beating the crap out of everything.

Guardians aren’t about kill kill kill. It is about dominating an area. killing is second nature.

Try infinite might build+4 major runes of the pack. Guaranteed to give you silly amounts of might

This will then free up the need to spec for dmg so you can be a super tanker guardian that does good damage lol

Cant do a dungeon because your level is too low? Join a good guild.

GDS on FOW runs dungeons for our low lvl members all the time. Just because you are low lvl doesn not exclude you from the fun. Having lvl 80’s in exotics make the dungeons easy. So it should not be a problem to breeze through in minutes.

If your in a guild that does not do these things for you. Your in the wrong guild.

Now compare the PvP gamers numbers VS PvE gamers numbers for the entire world.

PvE wins.

WvW will get some love soon. I can feel it the thing is, we have each other to keep us entertained. PvE people get bored FAST without new content. With the average attention span of the western gamer being omfg short. Its not a wonder they have to keep pumping PvE with content to keep players.

Because the bonuses of WvW directly affects PvE. All those points you capture go towards PvE boosts. If you want your server to be better equipped, get your game on.

There is no excuse tbh, the difference between rare to exotics is easily made up with skill. The only draw back to having a low lvl in WvW is the traits and possibly the skills that haven’t been unlocked.

I’ve played a lvl 15 Engineers and totally destroyed a lvl 60+ ranger. My lvl 1 Thief does well against lvl 80 elementalists and mesmers (sneaky fker

there is a equipment gap for sure. But nothing a little skill cant fix.

Guardian all the way.

Thieves kill things quickly and die quickly.
Guardians kill things slower (but we do still get those kills) and never die unless overwhelmed in numbers.

Only ever lost to thief in WvW once. And this is after a 5 minute fight with a broken mouse (though I do admit he was the best thief I have fought so far).

Guardian destroys rangers, Warriors, Elementalists, Mesmers, Thief, Engineers, Necro (depending on build)….I better stop before another nerf bat comes our way.

PvE pays the bills I guess. The WvW playders are a fraction of the people who do PvE. Priority goes to whatever makes the most money. Standard business model.

Though I wish they will just add some new siege equipment or at least make some new maps. not the hardest of content to implement. But then even redirecting resources to appease us will mean fewer PvE people will stay. Priority is where the money is. It makes perfect sense. Not one that I like, but it makes sense.

Fissure of Woe – Where 10 people is considered a zerg

As many of of you know FoW has predominantly remained at the bottom of the WvW rankings for a very long time now. However, With the appearance on the WvW Scene of guilds such as GDS, PvP and a few other smaller guilds, FoW is making a fighting come back.

We are a bunch of hardened battle brothers who have faced overwhelming odds every week. We survived the onslaught of Vabbi at their peak and now they are destroyed. We fight on against Ruins of Surmia in the face of 5-1 odds but yet we still continue to remain defiant for one day we know, FoW will rise from the ashes and climb the ranking ladder to greater glory!

This is a call to arms for those who are already on FoW but have not joined us in WvW, as well as those of other servers who wish to join the great battle that is to come.

To arms!!! sharpen your swords and don your armour, we shall fight on and become the true legends of GW2. Our names will be etched in the memories of those we conquer.

To arms my brothers. The legend begins now.

When we start becoming less godly not sure if its the class or just the majority of other players are just kitten at PvP tbh. There are ways to beat a bunker build.

The classes are different, play different for different styles and mindset. For uber damage and burst thief wins hands down. For survivability and support, guardians win hands down. Warriors are the in between.

I’ve rolled all three classes and played them all in PvP. Guardians win always. A hybrid guardian can fight and win against any class. A bunker build destroys all the other classes. Thieves cannot beat guardians unless you let them (or you panic when they start laying it on you). The trick with thieves is to hit them back with everything u got when they hit you. Their low armour and HP means it is more likely they will die before you do. When they invis, lay down some aoe goodness and the job is done. Never run from a thief, it’s the worst thing u can do.

Against warrior? True they have amazing burst damage. But all you have to do is avoid them for 10 seconds and you win automatically. They may have insanely high vitality, but they have terrible healing. This means in a long fight, their vitality means nothing. Even with 15k HP we can keep healing constantly whilst dealing damage or crowd controlling.

Playing as the other two classes. The “how to beat a guardian” tactics are far too difficult to pull off if you opponent has some skill.

Not able to stand and tank dungeon mobs or boss? You’ve obviously never rolled an AH Guardian.

Just did TA the other night and killed the bosses by just standing together in the symbol and beating them to death. No dodging required.

Things like this can be done. Just because people have not found out how does not mean they do not exist in the game.

Hate to go about this the opposite way, but even with all these issues we are still pretty much the strongest class in the game.

Sure some of our skills and utilities suck, but generally we rock.

There is no perfect class. If the dev’s give us something, they will take away something else.