Guild Wars 2

Woljnir.7810:

Like everyone says, make yourself kick-proof by doing story and starting your own explore groups from inside the instance you start. If you can’t be bothered to do story again then that’s your problem. Quit coming here to complain. Engineers and Rangers have this problem, and it’s unfortunate. Starting the group isn’t enough. You have to start the instance if you want to really stick it to them.

I’m going to.

I didn’t post here to merely complain, I also came here to spread a message that kicking people because of their profession at the beginning of the easiest dungeon in the game is bullkitten.

Any chance we could get this in the future? Anet? Anyone? We’re the only class without it in some form ;_;

Korossive.7085:

There is no excuse to being an Engineer.

You have to be trolling, you just have to be. There is no other way you could be this ignorant. Does it ever occur to people like you that some people may enjoy playing a class that isn’t one that is favored by the meta? God forbid I want to run a simple dungeon like CoF or CoE on my engineer :/

Jornophelanthas.1475:

What could be happening in these kinds of kicks is that the players who join your party do not know who was the one who created the party, and they were unaware that they were kicking the one who (through the LFG tool) asked for their help.

They probably don’t even know that the LFG inviter is the one whose profession icon is the leftmost one in the LFG Tool window.

Of course, they’re still snobs for kicking another player based on profession choice alone. But they’re probably not as callous that they consciously kick the party founder.

I can offer only a general tip to let people know you claim “party seniority” over them (in a friendly and polite way), and that is to not greet them with a “Hello”, but with a “Welcome”, or better yet: “Welcome all”. This lets them know that you were there before they were, and subconsciously encourages them to behave like guests and to treat you as their host.

Even so, what is the point in kicking me? Am I really that big of a hindrance compared to the average PUG warrior guardian or ele? I know how to play my class quite well, yet I still have to jump through hoops to get people to not put me into this box of “engis are trash hue” or kicking me outright.

IvanTheGrey.2941:

I think it’s really messed up if the LFG said “everyone welcome” or didn’t have any restrictions put upon it. I’m sorry that happened to you OP. If you ever want to come into arah, look me up. I’ll gladly take an engi

Ty for the offer <3

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Khyber.2693:

Got kicked from another party today, my entire group wiped on the wolves at the beginning of COE, cussed ME out and kicked me. Of course it’s all my fault that you all died too right? -__- I’m seriously considering rolling an ele or a warrior at this point, at least then people will not think I’m the reason everything bad is happening.

Edit: I promise I’m not trash ;__; I’m getting kicked a lot more than I’ve ever been kicked, even on my necro.

Are you on EU or NA?

I’m on NA.

J Eberle.9312:

Flamethrower engis are really good.

At the moment our ft kit really isn’t as good as bombs/nades. But ft is getting a buff with a blast finisher soon, so that may change.

Nanashi.6297:

Sedrigoth.1978:

You can’t just do story and open your own instances? Seems like the best solution to me

^this

just force them to do the dungeon with you by opening it well they can still kick you if they have another opener but it’s more annoying for them and really depends on having another opener.

I understand what you mean though. I think it happened to someone I joined a few days ago(I didn’t click anything. the other 3 kicked him >.> ). I’m generally a bit scared after being kicked a few times because I play ranger(people… as if the one minute it takes longer with me than with another berserker sheep would be worth the hassle of waiting 5 more minutes for said sheep).

Yeah, thinking I’m going to go do all the stories soon so I can force people to run with me.

Yeah no, the time difference between having a ranger or having like a guard is not even that great. Especially if the ranger knows what they’re doing. I’m actually considering making a group or guild for people who do not care about the classes they run with so we can always have groups that are trustworthy (IE not PUGS).

Got kicked from another party today, my entire group wiped on the wolves at the beginning of COE, cussed ME out and kicked me. Of course it’s all my fault that you all died too right? -__- I’m seriously considering rolling an ele or a warrior at this point, at least then people will not think I’m the reason everything bad is happening.

Edit: I promise I’m not trash ;__; I’m getting kicked a lot more than I’ve ever been kicked, even on my necro.

I just can’t wrap my head around how you all asking for something practical in a fantasy mmo. You have your basic weapon skins, the rapier, infinite light… Most karma skins actually fall into what you seem to be wanting. The game already has this kitten, the only thing Anet needs to add for sure is Belinda’s greatsword, that kitten was great.

Point is, there isn’t enough unique and cool skins in this game to begin with. Especially not for staves and rifles. I would appreciate it if people would actually lobby for more cool things to be added to this FANTASY game instead of stupid crap I could buy irl. You want a realistic sword? Go get a karma skin, they fit that bill perfectly.

Fror.2163:

In my “no-requirement” parties, I often see rangers or engis coming. And it’s a “no requirement” party. Well, even knowing that, I see people kicking the ranger or the engi. The ranger or the engi sometimes just said “hi”, but maybe that’s a bannable offense these days?

So no, DeathPanel, kicking for simply showing up in a dungeon as ranger or engi is a real thing. Unfortunately.

Exactly, you would think we would at least be allowed in those types of parties. Then you get those people who automatically assume that you will be garbage and hold everything back and kick you while not even giving you a chance. It’s not like the groups I make are requirement parties, the closest I have ever came to a requirement party is “please have a good amount of agony resist”. It’s unjustified, I hate it. I love my class, I know that I’m not optimal, but I am far from useless. It would be cool if people wouldn’t be kittens and kick me from groups I start.

DeathPanel.8362:

Khyber.2693:

Then I hope something truly bad happens to you . Today I started a CoF p1 group. All my lfg description said was “need opener”. Yeah, someone opened it, they kicked me the second I got in to the instance.

If you want a group with no engineers, make your own lfg that says so. I made that group with the intention of quickly running the easiest dungeon in the game, you had no right to kick me out.

Starting a group doesn’t magically make you the boss and owner. You still need the consent of the team to do what you want. Your story is also suspect since people don’t just kick for no reason. I suspect it was because you either were not cooperating with the team, bad mouthing them, or you were too low lvl.

I made the group, all I said was “hey guys”. We got in and they kicked me. I’m level 80 and was nothing but nice.

Dude, people do actually kick because of your profession, and if they kick you from a group that you started because of your class they need to kitten off. If you want a group with no engineers then make one yourself, if you join a party with a engineer starter expect to run with them. Don’t kick them from the easiest dungeon in the kitten game from a group they started when they have been nothing but nice.

AOE the turret engis.

Jump on the ranged ones and keep mobile to dodge nades and bombs.

Run like hell from the static discharge ones.

Not minions, don’t do minions, they’re buggy as all hell.

Depends on what your son finds enjoyable, does he like to spam aoe? Get high numbers via auto attacks? I use a well build on mine. Trait for placeable wells and spam aoe all over everyone, no skill needed. Other than that I recommend running staff and dagger/focus. Utilities are what he wants them to be but minions are trash (at least in pve) so not those. Always trait for max power and precision.

Mixing the two builds is just going to give you a kitten build. I would either go full juggernaut or full nade.

I run rampager on my engineer with berserker trinkets, I have two rifles that I switch between that one has bloodlust and the other has corruption (corruption for 3headedwurm condi team). Both rifles have sigil of strength.

I love it personally, the extra condition damage isn’t unhelpful especially when you’re running with other classes that don’t do a lot of condition stacking. You still want your pistols/shield/rifle to be zerker stats though, same with trinkets. It’s not optimal, but it is fun as hell. Your damage does not suffer much either.

Don’t know much about crit chance runes and sigils. I use bloodlust and corruption on two different rifles, and both have a strength sigil for might stacking. Honestly, the 6/6/0/0/2 build is fantastic.

They make noise, and that’s enough for me personally. I want the rifle one to tide me over until I get The Predator.

This. I have an insect and I would like to be able to sell it since the theme goes with none of my chars.

Acotje.5689:

I hate FT engi’s. I don’t care about what pug’s run anymore, gave that up long time ago…but when they start killing my FPS, we have a problem!

I’d take a grenade/bomb kit engi everywhere, as long as they know how to stack might/stealth and give me all the vurnabilty in the world.

Like I said earlier, flamethrower is only good for farming imo. I’m specced for nades and bombs. Of course pugs don’t know that, for all they know I’m in clerics gear with flamethrower rocket boots xD but I’m not, it would be nice if I got the benefit of the doubt at some points.

LadyTrouble.6920:

IMO farming gold and buying the items you need is the most efficient way. That was my philosophy when I was making Sunrise, and still is as I work on legendary #4.

From time to time, I run around Southsun Cove, Frostgorge Sounds or Orr killing mobs, never concentrating on certain mobs for certain types of drops. I found concentrating on certain mobs hoping for the mats I needed boring and inefficient. I farmed the sparks at Dwayna for charged lodestones (charged cores would’ve made me happy too) only to get a lot of junk and Opal. I ended up buying 75% of the cores for the lodestones in the end anyway.

Good luck!

ty, and yeah thats pretty much what im resorting to. I run the dungeons im most comfortable with everyday now for the money, do raids with tts, and then after all that is done I go to orr. The moldy bags help a lot for getting t5 to sell to buy t6.

and thank you, im trying my best lol.

Taku.6352:

Engis are in the same hole as rangers. Bearbow and flamethrower Engis completely ruin class rep in pug runs and makes it harder for anyone who knows what they are doing to get a group. Both of the professions are strong assets to dungeon parties when running proper meta builds.

I get that, but regardless kicking me out of the group I started is ridiculous.

I’m not a flamethrower engi though (I use it to farm Orr, and that’s it). I run a grenade/bomb kit build, my third utility switches between tool kit, elixir gun and elixir S depending on what the group needs. I think I do a kitten good job.

Edit: Just in general if someone made an lfg you should generally be polite enough not to kick them from the group they made themselves. Either run with them or don’t join the group at all. Besides, it was only CoF p1, it does not take a genius to run it.

Acotje.5689:

Sry only 1 Mesmer 4 Warrior in CoF /end sarcasm

It’s hard for pug’s to change, it will take a long time before they understand Engi is great for pug runs. Guess I’ll prepare myself, as I’m lvl’in my Engi. At least it will get my Thiefs ascended armor if I like it. ^.^

#Puglyf

They just don’t know how engis work. They assume that bc they don’t see a lot of us that we’re a bad class. Just gotta prove them all wrong, the skill ceiling of our class is really high. We’re at least middle tier as far as dungeon running goes.

Miaire.5468:

Sad about what happened, but maybe it’s just a rare issue.

I’m trying to not get left behind when Engineers make a breakthrough so I’ve started playing more as Engineer in dungeons. I’m not a top-level player of [insert class here], but I played enough as warrior/guard to mostly know which weapons/skills/traits for which particular dungeon situation, and planning to extend learn Engi as well.

I highly doubt we will be making any breakthroughs, we are far from a bad class though. We bring a lot of damage to the table, especially with grenades. We also have ridiculous utility and the ability to blast our own finishers quickly and well. If you can master a class like Engi or Ele you can pretty much extend that mechanical knowledge to everything else.

Point is, we’re far from trash. We’re not optimal, we don’t run the absolute fastest, but we’re not going to actually hinder the run if we play right.

Roaming? Anything that covers ground relatively quickly and is mobile while they fight does this well. I recommend engineer, thief and kind of necro.

Sedrigoth.1978:

You can’t just do story and open your own instances? Seems like the best solution to me

Did the stupid story on my other char, didn’t want to do it again. This still isn’t an excuse for blatantly kicking me from a group I kittening started. If they had an issue with me, they should have started their own group.

Then I hope something truly bad happens to you . Today I started a CoF p1 group. All my lfg description said was “need opener”. Yeah, someone opened it, they kicked me the second I got in to the instance.

If you want a group with no engineers, make your own lfg that says so. I made that group with the intention of quickly running the easiest dungeon in the game, you had no right to kick me out.

Are you kidding me? I have to delete some of mine with how many stacks I get. It’s not hard, do world bosses/temples/Teq/Triple Trouble and you get all you will ever need.

Can you guys please not ask for a bunch for boring swords to be released? We have a enough of these in the form of basic skins when you get while you’re leveling up. While giant buster swords aren’t my thing either, I sure don’t want the majority of my options in this fantasy game to be boring practical kitten I could get irl. These designs already dominate the amount of unique skins we have, do you know how hard it is to find things like rifles that don’t look boring or awful? Ugh.

Your first step would be to try warr and guard in wvw. Then you need to decide what you like to do. Run with zerg or roam and kill idiots who are alone.

There are plenty of realistic skins, look at the basic skins and you will see it. There isn’t a lot of room to make swords look epic when you all want them to look like crap you can get irl.

It’s a little annoying that if you look at the GS selection you see a kitten ton of variety, same with swords, but when you look at rifles/pistols/staves you see almost nothing that really stands out.

I personally think this game has too many generic or plain skins that don’t stand out at all for certain weapon types. Like for rifle there is like three variations of the same energy weapon rifle (wave modulator or some kitten), some bland ones, a couple giant badly rendered ones, and then the few cool looking ones like the ley line one and The Predator (these two are the only ones that really actually stand out). The rest of them either all look the same (superhyperbeam alpha, spectral wave modulator…) or are ugly or bland (anything pearl…). The same issue exists with staves and pistols. Offhand weapons are even worse tbh.

So can more cool things come out please? Because right now the options are badly textured giant/energy weapons, bland kitten that looks generic, or one of the two or three actually unique skins of the bunch.

Thousands of gold no precurser, at this point I am just going to finish up my Gift of Fortune and then try my hand at the rng some more when all of that is taken care of. Hopefully it gives me my hunter at some point ;__;

Really? How entitled can you get OP? Those items are mean’t to recognize those who where loyal to the GW series before GW2 came out. You can’t have everything, and you will never have everything. Get over yourself.

I’ll break up my advice as best I can, I’m listing these from top to bottom as easiest to hardest (my opinion, obviously, but I have played all classes):

Warrior: Smooth and easy to play, tanky yet dishes out a lot of damage, brings a lot of utility in the form of banners. Fantastic starter class, almost always useful in dungeons (it’s hard to mess up playing a warrior, their skill floor is at the bottom of the ocean).

Guardians: Also smooth and easy to play, is more support driven than the warrior. Also a great starter class, pretty hard to not be useful as a Guardian.

Ranger: Rangers are the kings of the early levels, pets tank for you and you level smoothly. They are annoying to use later on though since pets die when even tickled by a level 80 monster. Certain trait lines are a must, and you will not find yourself “ranging” on your ranger that much. I put them here on the list for their early game simplicity.

Necromancer: This, surprisingly, is the one class in the game that just straight up wont die if you play them right. They are a condition dmg class (that also can build power for on par damage with the other classes of its tier) and have two life bars to juggle. However, condition builds tend to not be favored in this game for dungeons or anything because of the condition cap, they also are the most selfish class when it comes to support. So only go for this class if you have a love for it (This was the first class I ever leveled, I still consider it my main next to my engineer).

Thief: Jumpiest class in the game, they’re gods if the person playing them has a good reaction time. They have the highest single target dps in the game, they are however, extremely fragile. So you need to use a lot of evades and weave out of stealth effectively.

Mesmer: Have good ranged and melee options, fantastic utility in the form of feedback, mass stealth, blink, and portal. They’re damage is also pretty good. However, they are very fragile, they rely on their utility heavily to stay alive. They are also extremely slow moving.

Elementalist and Engineer: I’m putting these two together because of how similar they are as far as mechanical difficulty is concerned. Ele’s have four elements to switch between with 5 different skills each that they need to learn how to combo together. Much the same, engineers have up to three kits with 5 skills each + a normal main weapon + a toolbelt that they need to learn how to juggle for max effectiveness. They are similar, but ele’s are more favored for their fire fields and lack of bugs.

All in all, just pick something that sounds fun to you.

Rouven.7409:

Spread your AOE love in Orr – temples, plinx etc.
Sell stuff you don’t need and buy T6.
Wait, you don’t have the precursor yet?

Edit: The new areas in dry top seem to be good as well, haven’t done it myself though.

Nope, no precurser yet, I try the forge whenever I can though. I don’t have the best luck, but I’m confident I’ll get it at some point. Right now I’m more concerned with getting the actual gifts and kitten sorted out. Good point with the Orr thing, I have sort of fallen out of Orr farming for some reason. I should probably go at it again.

I’m working on The Predator for my engi right now and all I have left is the precurser and the t6/ectos for the Gift of Fortune. The ectos wont be a problem since I get rares a lot from various events and whatnot, the t6 is troubling though.

How would you suggest getting a lot of t6? I have been buying heavy moldy bags off the tp and opening them for t6 but that isn’t working very well. Should I convert t5 materials? Sorry, I’m just pretty lost and I want to complete this in a decent amount of time.

Honestly, heavy charr shouldnt complain too much. Your options, for the most part, all look good. Medium and to a lesser extent light armored charr have it worse. I have yet to see a medium armored charr without a dorky miniskirt that billows out. I feel bad for them. Looking good is more than possible though (at least imo, I worked my tail off to make my main look good).

I do agree with you overall, charr either need their models looked into or their armor needs to actually have some effort put into it so everything does not look deformed or clip. Here is a pic of my main, a charr necro, to emphasize that we do have some options (also to show off my pride and joy <3):

Taku.6352:

I’d much rather take an engi over necro for any PvE content. Necros party support is completely abysmal or is outperformed by other classes whereas engineer has blast finishers, combo fields, utility skills that can greatly enhance your partys performance.

As for future classes thief is perfectly fine in todays meta. High personal dps and superb skipping abilities with their party wide stealth. But I do suggest trying the other 5 classes too, all of them have their own gimmicky stuff that can be useful in dungeons and fractals.

I should probably get to getting some good gear for my engi then Ty for answering so quickly.

Glad to hear thief is considered fine for the most part in these respects. It just seemed the most fun out of the top tier or close to top tier dungeon classes. I know I should, but Idk if I could really get into the other classes. Warrior seems promising because I like rifle skills no matter what they are (I leveled the engi for that reason) but it’s not like that weapon set is good in dungeons or anything ;_;

I have tried out all the classes in the heart of the mists, but obviously facing the giant bear thing in that zone is nothing compared to if I will enjoy playing that class in a full on dungeon setting. So, what do you find the most fun + viable to use (asking for your opinion)?

Atm I have a level 80 necro and a level 80 engineer, which of those two do you prefer to accompany you in your runs? Also, if I where to make another char (working on a thief atm), what profession would you recommend for dungeons and fractals based on experience? I have been playing this game for a long time and I have always had a thing for the classes/professions that are really unique but tend to not be best in the meta, so I don’t know if I could ever make a meta pick work for me.

I’m basically asking you if you prefer engineers or necro’s in your groups and if I where to somehow work up the nerve to level a true meta class what should I play? I want to be useful, but I also want to have fun.

I think I made it work rather nicely.

Looking for a response from Anet (though I probably will not get one) or some decent discussion here. I would really like to see some new weapons open up for the different professions to use, I think this would have the potential to mix up some builds and give more fun options to the classes that need them.

Here is some stuff that I would really like to see:

- Rifle for thieves: Ever since their sb range was gutted they have lacked a true long range weapon. Rifle would fit them thematically by fitting the sneaky peaky sniper niche that thieves could pick up.

- Great Sword/Battleaxe for necromancers: Make it a power weapon with cleave so we don’t have to rely on just dagger to be viable dps wise among the other classes.

- Warrior Staff: I hate warriors personally, but I can’t help but think that a staff would be pretty cool for them. Not in the magically way, but in the Rafiki “I have a staff and ima kick your kitten with it” way.

What do you all want to be added to the game as far as weapons and whatnot go? Anet, you probably wont answer, but are there any plans for opening up new weapon options to the professions?

Tiger Ashante.1792:

This is a horrible boss fight!

I’m supposed to fight the thing alone? Minions coming from all directions and the dogs completely ignoring me and my Mesmer’s clones and just going after the minions that often die just b4 they reach the boss. And i don’t know what bubbles ppl above are talking about, I’ve seen no bubbles only insane rings of crap flying everywhere from the boss.

I tried to grab the dogs’ aggro by hopping from one to another, but they just ignore me till they kill the minions then turn on me. These dogs hit like a truck, each hit takes 1/3 of my life.

I thought Aerin fight was boring and annoying but this takes the cake.

Died twice now, first time after returning, the boss still remained damaged a little after about half an hour of going it at it, the 2nd time, when i got back in range he had fully reset. How annoying to spawn u so faraway from the boss fight, so that he would reset b4 you get back!

Well that did it for me. I’m not gonna bother with it, it’s too boring and frustrating and takes waaaaayyyy too long.

And yea, Kas Marj are nowhere to be seen gg.

It’s a shame that this fight ruins for the most part a great story so far, i really don’t know what they’ve thinking with this fight, it’s totally unfun!

You need to cc the wolves, or kill them outright. I’m a tank necro and I had enough cc and damage to take care of the wolves, you should too. You don’t need the biconics to complete the fight.

So:

- Locate minion when it spawns, cc/kill the wolf associated with that minion.

- If for some strange reason you can’t cc it or kill it (no excuses not to really) heal yourself/the minion until it reaches the boss safely.

- When the shield goes down buff yourself and equip your highest dmg weapon and melt it.

- Rinse/repeat, but make sure to keep heals or boons to your regen on you a lot so the spores don’t mess with you too much.

Overall it isn’t a difficult fight, there is just a certain rhythm to it.

I wish it was tradeable so I could go crazy trying to get the fossils and then eventually sell them all on the tp for a profit. I hate account bound garbage, no profit from it.

Adrenaline.2854:

Khyber.2693:

Well, you are a ranger, why not bearbow to take them out?

Also, some real advice here, I would reroll. Rangers aren’t allowed to do jack kitten in the endgame because they are seen as an inferior class. Not saying it’s right, just saying that if you want in on all the content I would go with something else.

Some real advice, haha. Just. LOL.

Don’t listen to this guy. He has no idea what he’s talking about. I main a Ranger, and let me tell you, only people who have no idea how to play this game see Rangers as an inferior class.

On your topic, OP, go around and do more hearts, events and grab those skill points and vistas. Basically, do EVERYTHING.

I was merely warning him that your class has a crapton of bugs (that mainly has to do with the pet), and that most people wont want to play with a ranger. I’m saying this as a necro main to not pick a class with a bunch of problems. Your class encourages sitting 1500 units away and pewpewing at everything which helps no one. My class is designed around conditions which arguably are not useful in most situations in the game. I’m speaking from experience and trying to get other people to avoid the pain of not being allowed into a lot of things when they hit 80.

OP, if you must go ranger I would highly suggest you switch to a sword build at some point in the leveling process.

“Sleeping” “Poison”

Just go to another map and buy it, don’t be lazy.

You completed an easy story mission for that lol, stop qqing. For the record, I got obsidian shards and a lodestone from that sooooo, jokes on you.

Seriously? This release has been out for one day, and some things need to be rare drops or else nothing will be rare or really desirable. Not only that, but this is permanent. Calm your kittens and keep opening them.

Oh qq more, it’s a title, get over it.

Like, I’m not really a fan of the recipes unless there is a good cooking one that I don’t know about. Nomads gear is terrible for everything I have, sooooo I’m probably going to dump all my geodes into sandy bags of gear.

What are you spending yours on?