Is it only me or the Longbow skill #3 and #4 goes FULL cooldown when you move and your opponent is on the side or behind you?
IMO if it is the case for everyone it needs a fix asap. Because its the only weapon with that horrible bug. (furthermore gw2 is almost 2 year and ranger weapon still full of bugg)
Hey its endure pain! its not like it would be mist form where it can interrupt your healing skill or current outgoing action and leaves you with no skill to use during that time… and you have less than 25% at the end of the skill…
Dont get yourself fooled by the low toughness. You have insane regen because of the sigil of leeching and the sigil of blood. You also use the vampiric rune so you have even more regen. Watch out for empatic bond tough,it screw the pet and as a ranger you must be able to swap the pet before it can be killed.
Math behind this:
Out of 10 sec when attacking you get :
mango pie: 80 × 10
signet of the wild: 62 x10
sigil of blood (2 proc): 325 x2
sigil of leeching (if you swap) : ~975
Which is ~3045 health per 10 without healing. Throw in your troll ongent and you get huge amount of sustain despite being zerker style.
If you run sylvan hound you can get an extra 1000 every 25 sec and regen.
And as you probably know, you should focus on avoiding the burst because they can down you quickly. So time well the dodge of S/X.
Finally Lb tips :
-stand still when you want to complete a rapid fire, it will follow the enemy.
-Stay in stealth the whole 3 sec because its 3 sec you receive less dmg and its 3 sec of free “healing” (from mango/signet of the wild) and it help confuse the enemy players.
Those 2 skill when used and the target is behind goes on FULL cooldown. Only weapon that i know that does this. The animation doesnt start at all if you moving. Quite frustrating in PVP.
Because blink + stealth + invulnerable + clone swap is kinda something every class wants. as mobility…
Stealth is not mobility, invulnerable is not mobility, and blink and clone swap are in combat mobility.
In order to be a good point assaulter, you need to be able to traverse the map rapidly. Thief can do that. Mesmer can’t.
Portal… and for 1vs2 thief or mesmer are enough deceptive to survive that. And in Spvp its rare you are OOC unless you killed your opponent. The map is so small…
While I understand the idea of ranking things with numbers (its something interesting to do in more simple games) I think profession mechanics using vitality/toughness is too simplistic to really capture the idea.
For example, Necromancer does not only pay 290 points for Death Shroud and its related mechanics, they pay 290 points, plus tying for worst mobility in the game (with Guardian), and having literally 0 ways (not including base dodge mechanic) to re-actively negate damage. So you don’t just give up the toughness compared to warriors, you give up a lot of mitigation.
Similar can be said of other professions, the give/take of the base mechanics of every profession are more complex than just giving up a bit off the vitality/toughness max for whatever profession mechanic they have.
I do think the same. Ill take ranger as an example. They might loosing some toughness/vitality but there is more, they “loose” ~30% of their dps by having their pet since in player versus player those pets cant hit. Even in pve, the pet is continuously trying to flank the enemy. So, if you move alot you might lower the dps of your pet by alot, to the point of achieving 0% extra dps before the enemy is dead.
That being said, same thing goes with ele, they loose lots of toughness vitality but gain ALOT of heals and sustain.
Idk why thief seems the way to go for far point assaulter. I mean a zerker phantasm mesmer deals as much pressure from a safe distance and is as much deceptive and can brings things thief doesnt provide. Just my tought.
So i count 2 (+1 thief/mesmer)… which is more than 1 ranger… that being said never say mesmer is useless. Ranger is in spvp unless home point. But some fulfill the role better. And they do poorly pve wise and spvp wise.
Never say something mesmer is bad when there is worst…
I disagree with the " good ranger are dangerous". Because why the good ranger so rare? Because good rangers are usually far more skilled than you if they are able to beat you usually. If they meet their equal in term of skill vs any other profession they have lower chance to win except when considerably outplaying their opponent because of the surprise.
Rush cd reduced if it has a target in range when activated. End of discussion.
Plus it could involve some thinking for warrior for once!!!!!! They could rush to a neutral animal to have their cd reduced. But most warrior wont because → that class too straightfoward and toughtless.
Seriously your thread doesnt make sense at all. If all class are equal/fit certains roles and require no balance, why is the ranger class has little to no use in high competitive tpvp. Why ranger have little to no use in WvW? Why is the ranger outscaled by thief in roaming when it supposed to be the ranger strenght? Why high lvl PVE dislike ranger because their small contribution to the party?
And dont say ranger is a jack of all trades… Engi is. Ranger is subpar in every gw2 mode except maybe solo pve (which a class should not be design for…).
You might be the best player NA, but you never made into top 1000 with every single class. Therefore you dont know every class flaws and thus should not comment like they are equal because they are not. Like you said each class fit a role. Therefore, they are not equal as long as they dont fit EACH role (which wont happen).
And also ranger LB is not 1500 (TRAITED) it is 1200 (NOT TRAITED) … that just prove you dont have enough knowledge of the class to classify it as equal to other…
Signet of the hunt is not really worth it too. It is much better to carry a stun breaker to evade pesky CC. Also i would use Sword as main hand since you now run fire trap which can give a nice fire aura or a leap finisher trough your healing spring. You can also use torch or dagger as offhand instead of warhorn which is more condition related.
Overall i would use sword to avoir a static fight. Shortbow does not involve alot of movement and you usually want kiting possibilities. Thats why i would go sword. For those 2 evade and the possibility to kite well.
Imo to like ranger you must be a player that use your brain maybe more than ele and such class. This is because most of ranger build doesnt have room for alot of error. Their regen is low compared to warrior or class that doesnt have stealth.Thus taking a huge burst/cc make it hard to recover. As ranger you are usually not putting the tempo in fight. You fight against it to create distance and time to recover because you are sustained dmg. Many player dislike this approach because it require good knowledge of the class mechanic and other classes mechanics instead of having rotation. This is particulary true for LB.
That being said, the only build i know that is not with this play style is the condition bunker ranger. You can go full kitten and have quite alot of room for error. Because of the insane regen.
Also i think there is 2 kind of people in this game. The one that like to have organized play and the one that have a chaotic play style. Organized play is where you count on your rotation to make you win. Thus class like warrior, ele, mesmer (even guard) and such are good for these kind of player. Chaotic playstyle means they almost never do the same thing and everything is modifier according to the in-game situation. Ranger and thieves falls into that categorie.
Being a rather chaotic player i like playing a ranger despite the class having no “apm”. Its clutch decision and good reaction that make it.
They wont put it on par with D/D dmg because unload is ranged. And ranged is safer. Therefore it needs to hit for less than the in your face play style.
And unload is not actully that awful. Im pretty certain that it is stronger than the #2 Longbow skill of ranger.
And P/P coupled with the high mobility of the class can make for surprising result. You can kite very well, which ranger can’t really do. (Im looking toward Hard to catch P/P thieves lol).
So, yeah, I haven’t made an idea thread in awhile. But I got very irritated yesterday trying to make the longbow more than just a weapon you stand on walls with and shoot into teamfights in PvP, and I encountered 2 extremes. Either you are pure glass with almost no defensive options if you have to skirmish with somebody, or you have a little bit of sustain, but building for any sort of sustain reduces your damage to an almost exponentially less effective level.
You should try the longbow life steal build with the fern hound pet… It gives amazing amount of sustain for a glassy build.
You have a really great sustain. You just need to use the complete 3 second of stealth to reposition and buy more time for your cooldown. Also, a tips for any ranger here: when you activating Longbow skills, standstill, it will follow the target. So vs stealth thieves that teleport behind you, it will just continue to follow. Same for the stealth shot and the knock back.
Does it only happen to me or the metabolic primer is worthless?
I just had one and i used it it was ok for the first food eaten during the duration but if you change food regulary, the food stop matching the duration of the metabolic primer.
Out of 2 metabolic primer, the 2 ended completly useless…
And the wording of the metabolic explicitly say : Any food eaten while the primer is active will have the same remaining time as the primer, rounded up to the next hour.
I do feel like its a bug according to the description of the item.
To start this off, you will never find a build backed by a lot of people, because online gamers are generally a hateful bunch.
With that being said, going with a meta-ish build and tweaking it to your likings would be optimal. Depending on your server’s tier your build will vary, higher tier will mean you’ll likely be playing uneven fights all the time so you need to spec accordingly, and lower tier giving you the option of going for a more glassy solution.
Me personally, I play EPIC cheese spirit condi build with dire gear because on my tier, against servers like YB, SBI and the rest of the marry bunch I’m guaranteed to fight 1v2+ or not fight at all. If I was on the lower tiers I’d pick rabid any day. Regen build was not my cup’o’tea but I still go for it every now and then. I’m hearing a lot of good things about the Condi BM regen build, haven’t tried it tho. The condi trapper seems to be an interesting choice and I’ve seen a lot of people playing it effectively.
I laughed at SBI and YB server 1vs2++. Im from SBI and on our tier, FA and HoD are WAY more populous than SBI and YB. IoJ also have similar population with SBI and YB . Therefore, its the fact you choose to solo roam that put you to 1vs2++ not the server
Blind/cripple/chill/immobilize are the counters to any melee class to. and sure as hell condi removal is a counter that too.
I keep saying it and I’ll say it some more. Rangers need a Cleansing Ire trait that functions exactly like a warrior’s. I suggest changing Oakheart Salve and moving it down to the Adept line to give it to us.
Of all classes you’d think us “Rangers” are familiar enough when dealing with the environment like the cold (chill), hurting yourself during a fall (or something like that, lol, (cripple)), and being snared by your own trap (immobilize) to be able to recover from them a little faster.
thats a totaly different point , all i was saying is there are counters to counters.
and yes Oakheart should be a adept , most of the other classes have adpet regen traits that need a situation effect too. Agreed
And most of them have regen + another bonus (like cleansing for thieves).
And for double melee, you can build really glassy and still be able to 1vsX because the epic mobility as well as the tons of evade. That being said, if you ever fear the chasing power of a warrior, its good to know that GS + S/x is faster on a ranger! But you need to know how to double leap forward with sword #2.
i would only use the trap to provide the chill and frost armor. I would trait for it, at least the duration.
Otherwise, i think LB + sigil of ice and maybe a pet that provide chill would be enough kiting potential. With the projectile finisher you have a really good chilling potential without too many investement.
Also, it might be good on a double melee since you have 2 leaps on GS + sword and the Gs leap can count as 2.
Not on a LB build but I use it with a horn (you mentioned frost armor? why not invite friends!) and sword (leap for frost armor also). Its the cornerstone of my present build with x2 duration from trait and 100% chill duration, it can keep a lot of people on ice hehe.
Being able to land a ice field and leap finishing trough it is just enormous. It gives you an frost aura which helps kiting when switching to longbow (along with a sigil of ice). ALso if you shoot projectile trough it, it applies chill. It allows for great kiting method.
Most rangers are terrible. The class overall? Could be worse.
The same could be said of every class.
That not so true… The fact is, ranger is one of the hardest class (if not THE hardest) explain why “most ranger are terrible”.
But once you became good with ranger all class are just a matter of 1-2 days to take in hand (in case of the warrior 0.5 sec). None of those class have unreliable factor like pet which helps.
This build is a build for shortbow focused to crit for bleed stacks. Its really simple to take in hand. The sigil on sb helps covering the bleeds stack you put. Also, i suggest to not blow all your bleed stack at once, the enemy might be able to cleanse it thus lowering your dps alot.
Ranger is way harder than thieves. We dont have the tool other class have. So if you plan doing wvw, thieves are easier to play than ranger. If you plan to roam ill definitly recommend you thief since it can get away really easily
If you want a class that is hard to learn and require time and experience, ranger is really good investement time/recognition. Its not that rare that i get some compliment from my enemies.
1. Well balanced dmg/crit/condition dmg
2. 2k7 armor -> shortbow, 2k8 melee
3. Lots of bleeds because of horn #4 + fury (with a passive 47-49% crit), add also shortbow. Note: viper’s nest can crit, therefore adding potential bleeds stacks.
4. 2 finisher while melee for HS.
5. Really good mobility.
6. Conditions cleanse (empatic bond).
7. Small burst with sigil of fire.
8. Almost perma-fury/swiftness in combat. (can’t confirm its perma fury/swiftness).
9. 19-20k health without the guard stacks…
I think thats a good build. Take wathever you want for consumables.
Cons:
1. might not be able to 1vsX
2. use trap (depend personnal taste).
3. DOES NOT USE LONGBOW
4. need good profiency with sword.
Seriously is awful how the population can vary from kitten T3… T3 cant fight T2 yet T2 cant fight T1 so they should only kitten only T2, and T3 only T3.
Swap tier if a server is no longer competitive.
Thats it!
PS: it REALLY frustrating having to fight higher tier. You cant do anything. ANYTHING. They just overwhelm you. Plus, if they are evil little kitten they spawn camp with their zerg… And it happens way more than it should.
What i dislike is the shadow refuge skill. It gives them a way to reset fight with full health. I would be totally satisfied with this skill if they didnt had that regen going for 15 sec…
Also being able to regen ~300 health per sec in stealth is also VERY TOO STRONG since being in stealth is being invulnerable to single target skill. So its some free 300 health tick going every 3 sec giving them the power to outlast an enemy than can retaliate 3 sec per 5-7 sec. Combined with the huge amount of pressure, that class has everything to win any build when played right.
SO, i think a nerf of THEIR REGEN is better than a nerf TO THEIR STEALTH. That way they could hit you super hard and hide if things goes badly but maybe not come again full health ready to finish you. It would force them to make less errors.
Finally the D/P problem for me is the black powder initial gunshot that apply blind. It prevent you from doing counter play like an interrupt while they do their HEARTSEEKER.
I think i might be good with ranger because i think outside of the box. That being said i dont use the “meta roaming build” for ranger (RRR build, BM build etc…). Ill try to provide a video with some 1vsX footage + tips if im good enough with editing
(it will also be my first time making a video so dont expect much )
Well i run a build that is almost the same! The key for this build to work is too play like a thief. Hit hard and kite !
It should’nt be a problem with this weapon sets since you have so much mobility and defensive move.
Your role: Burst your 3 main GS damage abilities on the target and back off/kite the enemy that focus you (because you are a ranger duh…). rince and repeat till downed!
Works well in 1vs1 too. Except vs the unkillable PU condition mesmer where you just walk way and spam laugh haha.
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