Guild Wars 2

Sebrent.3625:

In some nerfs … sure … confusion was never hard to deal with when you could cleanse or not spam buttons … but it was nerfed hard 2 years ago.

In other cases … some things were bloody OP and needed changes.

In other cases … some things were pathetically UP and needed changes.

Honestly, the least whiny are the old men like myself … and we have more money too … though some of us have wives we have to negotiate with to get it ;-p

Yeah, but that statement remain true sadly… (and thats why I try to avoid the product from company quoted in the stock market, as it lead to more deception than fun)

That and marketing. Some company has it (Riot games) and theres Anet(or NcSoft).

And also dont hate only on Anet, Ncsoft has a good part of fault too…
Lel

Sebrent.3625:

I’m not worried about a Condi Engineer. You know what they have trouble with? Conditions.

You know what a Survival Condi Ranger doesn’t have trouble with? Conditions.

Im not really worried too. Engineer are a bit like warrior in the predictable area. And they are weak in range combat. (pre patch that is).

Sebrent.3625:

@Bran:
Many of us don’t set our standards low.

Many of us like people to actually provide support for what they say … otherwise recognize that it’s an unsupported opinion and holds as much weight as a fart in the wind.

Many of us would rather look at what we can do rather than sit around griping about what we can’t … we get more kills this way and groups actually take us for content when we do this instead of griping.

Heck … look at the Warrior subforum … big bunch of whiners there too … despite being a strong class in every meta. This is why I give little credit to whining unless the person actually provides facts and logical reasoning to support what they say.

The fact for arenanet → whiners = potential gem buyers = $$$ to shareholder/stockholder and investor. And thats what drive Anet sadly.

Goldenrevolver.4371:

Natfrog.4310:

You have never had a thief come out from around a corner or off a ledge? I sure have and never saw him at all before hand nor his extremely large red name tag thingy. Several times. You can close a HUGE gap with short bow and super speed.

xD ban him pls. these troll posts are getting too many. i mean SUPER SPEED? wtf thiefs dont get super speed. they dont even have swiftness. u have not watched ur surroundings playing a full zerker ranger and got killed by a thief. or it sounds like u got killed by all the thiefs uve encountered

edit: btw Natfrog.4310 im still offering u 1000 gold if u beat my ranger with a staff ele in a duel it sounds like ur not really doing pve so i think u would need the gold

Can I get the 1000 gold if i win?

Ranger and necro, the b@stard childs of Anet.

I like everything of the sword.

#1: you can remove target and leap away, far far away. You can stick on someone for ever too. Also highest dps ability for ranger.
#2: mobility at his best
#3: evade big hits and apply poison.

Sword is one of the best weapon for spvp as it is for both power and condis rangers in term of survivability.

Strategist.6132:

Sebrent.3625:

Puck, you’re feeding :-p

@OP:
This topic has been discussed to death. If you truly care about Rapid Fire, then feel free to dig up the actual good conversations where the numbers of ways to counter Rapid Fire were listed … it was quite an extensive list.

In one of those threads, I even did the math and showed how Thief’s Unload is superior in every way except for range … more DPS, more spammable, can ricochet, etc..

Hey! Can you put the links in a response? On most classes there are way to counter it, I wonder if there are any good ones on thieves though. Thieves are generally more squishy then Rangers so I wonder if you can make a good comparison to it. (Ricochet is not there anymore in the new balance update btw!)

The best way I know is teleporting behind them, it automatically cancel the skill if they are not standing still… As dumb as that. If they are standing still it is harder. You need to blow out your dodge or daze him.

Tragic Positive.9356:

I don’t really find it that harsh.

We got Quick Draw that will provide you with 2 evades instead of one. And for that – the range abuse might as well got tuned down.
I don’t see a problem with this change. Daggers will still be a viable choice for many builds – especially the ones that focus on evades. And you don’t need Ambidexterity if you intend to focus on power evade specs. Quick Draw will buff that role just fine.

Dagger #4 without range is just digusting for me. I mean it would be like flaking strike (thief sword #3) that say on place with an evade. Its just doesnt feel good… and in practice is lack luster.

Im just curious, what server do you expect to transfer?

Lynx is good. So does the marsh drake.

Strategist.6132:

Okay let’s take a look at the facts:

About the dodge:
Rapid Fire lasts 2,5 seconds, while a dodge only takes 0.75 seconds, so even if you would use both dodges you would still not be able to fully come out undamaged.

Rapid Fire vs Kill Shot
- Rapid Fire and Kill Shot both have a cooldown of 8 when traited.

- Rapid Fire has a Skill Coefficient of 3.75
Kill Shot has a Skill Coefficient of 2.25/2.5/3.25 for each adrenaline level on Warrior. I never played Warrior, but I can imagine the adrenaline takes a little while to build up. (Shouldn’t be too long though)

- Movement Interrupts the Kill Shot, while Rapid Fire can be used while moving.

- Kill Shot has a 1.25 cast time, and only does one hit, Rapid Fire hits 10 times with a 2.5 channeled cast. Concluding from this:
-> Rapid Fire can hit faster since it doesn’t have a 1.25 cast time
-> Kill Shot is likely to deal more damage when traited with the 100% crit trait at full adrenaline.
-> Kill Shot is blindable, dodgeable, blockable, reflectable,
-> Rapid Fire is blockable and reflectable

I think Kill Shot is very strong too if I look at it on paper, but still I never see warriors running with a rifle. (Anyone knows why?) But builds without blocks or reflects are really screwed with Rapid Fire, while Kill Shot can be dodged or blinded and depends on Adrenaline.

If I miss some points please add them below, then I’ll add them to the post.

Sources:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Dodge
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rapid_Fire
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kill_Shot

And then you look at the ranger description and say it is balanced.

Oh and also we dont have 1/3 of the passive defense warrior get. Don’t compare classes with other classes.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

Klonko.8341:

coax.2951:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

temporal curtain reflect

Mesmer.

Which is very hard to fight as a Power LB Ranger if they know what they are doing. If you are having trouble with Rangers, you need to use more reflect.

Luckily, Mesmers get a nice trait called Evasive Mirror which gives projectile reflect on dodge. Should level the field a bit more.

Well it seems like a not so great one, i mean you dodge the dmg but instead you reflect it. I prefer the reflect on block.

If you look at the trait, it triggers on evade, not dodge, meaning their weapon skills can also trigger it.

Ah ok might be better than i tought.

coax.2951:

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

temporal curtain reflect

Mesmer.

Which is very hard to fight as a Power LB Ranger if they know what they are doing. If you are having trouble with Rangers, you need to use more reflect.

Luckily, Mesmers get a nice trait called Evasive Mirror which gives projectile reflect on dodge. Should level the field a bit more.

Well it seems like a not so great one, i mean you dodge the dmg but instead you reflect it. I prefer the reflect on block.

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > .

That rapid fire tough

->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > ->>——- > .

StickerHappy.8052:

Klonko.8341:

Seriously thrown trap were awfully situational you couldnt hit them as they were slow projectile and were not instant triggered. Perso nothing changed with the traps. My only complain would be the dragon hunter traps.

Situational? I ran Cele trapper in the recent ToL. We ranked top 9 in our bracket so….
What were you saying again?

In SPvP you can reliably hit target as they will fight in the circle. This is not the case in WvW.

Seriously thrown trap were awfully situational you couldnt hit them as they were slow projectile and were not instant triggered. Perso nothing changed with the traps. My only complain would be the dragon hunter traps.

Firelysm.4967:

I’ve been enjoying trapper ranger a lot, and i haven’t pay any attention on changes lately, but i did read them now, and got little confused, can some one give me some explanations:

- traps have 0.5 arming time
Does that mean ranger has to stand still for 0.5sec and place it on the ground OR does this mean when you put it on the ground they will trigger 0.5sec after you place them down.

- traps are no longer ground target-able
To me personally, throwing traps made trapper ranger unique, and elegant to play.
I’m really curious why would they remove this mechanics that made this play style unique? Just because guardian specialization got traps, and Anet team consider to remove ground targeting on ranger just because guards can’t do it? Did they really break trapper ranger just because they didn’t want to make guardian players feel bad about ranger traps ?

Currently i’m very disappointed and i’m enjoying my last days of trapper ranger. It’s braking the only good mechanics that made this class play-style unique:S I’m really disappointed about this changes.

I really hope druid would give us trap throwing back.

Why do you think trapper ground targeting was removed, and why?
AND off topics, it’s about time for DRUID spec, don’t you think guys?

Because of trapper rune abuse I guess. They might plan to make them PvP or stronghold. That’s my guess.

Most dangerous game: do a blast finisher (no dmg) on your position each sec when reaching 50%. LEL

FrouFrou.4958:

You could always turn your Kudzu into a violin.

One string violin too stronk omg… such melody

Goldenrevolver.4371:

Bran.7425:

Keep believing that and the attack speed reduction on shortbow (from early In the game’s history) was just an ‘animation’ fix. At this point just saying ‘that wasn’t intended’ now counts as a fix hmmm….

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/spectral-walk-was-working-as-intended/first

Poor spectral walk… Poor necro…

Yamsandjams.3267:

You do not want the engineer treatment, no. The only reason that is happening to engineer is because it has been necessitated by engineer being the most vaguely designed, buggy, and arguably incomplete profession since launch.

If you go back in time to the first year of the game, people really hated the implementation of the engineer, and most people joked each patch that they finally decided to delete engineer from the game because it was just too problematic to keep working on. It wasn’t until numerous patches later that it got to the state it’s in now, and they did a large overhaul of the trait system since they finally had a good idea of how they wanted the engineer to work. It took them a long time to make some things for engineers even functional in the first place.

Think of the changes to ranger longbow, but then think about that stuff needing to be done to almost every facet of the profession. I don’t think anyone really wants that, as fun as it can be to have “new stuff”.

Having such an overhaul is not necessarily a good thing, especially if you already have stuff that works well.

I laughed… Pet are a class mechanic and are the most buggy out there… But they wont do a overhaul because its to hard to correct.

All in all, we do deserve it! We NEEEEEEEEEEEED it…

CoF is not a real boss fight. I talking about the boss Fractal.

Actually condis will outperform in boss fight but get put to shame vs trash mob. The ramp up is what make it bad. But with quick draw and the major condi buff we will get, boss has to be ready to get killed by our dot.

I could use more red in the forum tough… Every profession has some red post to confirm or infirm information about X or Y skill. While we are here not even knowing what the spirit will look like, how will work HS, etc…

But still, we got the confirmation that heal have now categories which is nice.

Sure but the down side of it is the 50% threshold…

Wondrouswall.7169:

Sol.4310:

This might be useful in PvE, but having long cast time and locking you in place will get you killed in PvP.

You can move to break the animation…

But you dont want to because it cancel the dmg too…

Maybe because its not the purpose of barrange… Maybe its because it is an aoe cripple to help you kite.

Natfrog.4310:

Klonko.8341:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Can we just lock this guy in a room with all the people that qq about longbow being op and let them duke it out for awhile?

You know the longbow skills are weak. Why defend it like the aren’t?

I don’t know that at all. I have the sense not to look at skills in a vacuum. meteor shower does more damage than barrage but that is 1 skill on each weapon. You have to compare everything when you consider balance.

The entirety of the fire line while using full zerk nuker makes longbow look weak. THE ONLY skill on Longbow that calculates out decently is the auto attack. Nothing else has the damage of the fire eles weapon skill bar. Nevermind the utility it gets off it’s attunment swaping skills I’m referring to sheer damage nuke ability. There is an equasion that gives every skill it’s final damage output and I’m saying Barrage is not in line with other skills of the same type. Rapid fire is also not in line with the other skills. Being a single target only attack it should be higher naturally than a skill that hits AoE.

That’s because the longbow isn’t designed around every skill being a massive damage skill. You have 2 skills for dealing damage, the rest are for maintaining distance in order to deal that damage. Longbow ranger vs staff ele 1v1 the ranger will always win unless he is completely awful. According to you the ranger shouldn’t stand a chance because you only look at the pieces instead of the puzzle.

Sadly you do not stay in Longbow while in PvP. You said you do not. Why is that? If the pieces of the puzzle are all fitting together why do you go mele? If the damage output is where it should be why do you switch to a weapon that does a better job? You are not even listening to yourself.

Wait… do you think damage output is why you don’t see longbow rangers in the higher levels of PvP? Do you think shoutbows, cele ele’s/engi’s, bunker guard’s, even thieves have their place because of damage output? PvP is all about team utility and holding points.

I guarantee you if every map was laid out like foefire you would see a crap ton of rangers. The reason you see thieves instead of rangers is because thieves have much better mobility, especially on maps where vertical ports offer a huge advantage, and they can boon strip.

Damage has nothing to do with it. 1v1 vs a thief comes down to player skill because our range, cc and single target damage are incredibly effective against a thief.

You are adding in a players unknown where you are great at said skills. Why do you need OUTCLASS someone in such a way simply because it is unbalanced to begin with? I’m not saying there are not elite players that just flay out outclass other players and ranger is their chosen platform I know that is the case. Speaking as a sheer damage output a lot more battles would become a lot more fair if we were not having to work 4 times as hard to get the same result.

You sitting there pew pewing from 1k5 and you call that 4 times as hard?

Not sure what fights you get into but 1.5k disappears in an instant when 60 men come charging at you. At this point you flee. Assuming you got your weak kitten barrage off it does NOTHING to deter ANY of those 60 men. They walk through it laughing.

And the so OP warrior will stand and fight and will slaughter 60 person. And you think that a meteor shower will kill them too? You call that an argument? I call that madness…

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Can we just lock this guy in a room with all the people that qq about longbow being op and let them duke it out for awhile?

You know the longbow skills are weak. Why defend it like the aren’t?

I don’t know that at all. I have the sense not to look at skills in a vacuum. meteor shower does more damage than barrage but that is 1 skill on each weapon. You have to compare everything when you consider balance.

The entirety of the fire line while using full zerk nuker makes longbow look weak. THE ONLY skill on Longbow that calculates out decently is the auto attack. Nothing else has the damage of the fire eles weapon skill bar. Nevermind the utility it gets off it’s attunment swaping skills I’m referring to sheer damage nuke ability. There is an equasion that gives every skill it’s final damage output and I’m saying Barrage is not in line with other skills of the same type. Rapid fire is also not in line with the other skills. Being a single target only attack it should be higher naturally than a skill that hits AoE.

That’s because the longbow isn’t designed around every skill being a massive damage skill. You have 2 skills for dealing damage, the rest are for maintaining distance in order to deal that damage. Longbow ranger vs staff ele 1v1 the ranger will always win unless he is completely awful. According to you the ranger shouldn’t stand a chance because you only look at the pieces instead of the puzzle.

Sadly you do not stay in Longbow while in PvP. You said you do not. Why is that? If the pieces of the puzzle are all fitting together why do you go mele? If the damage output is where it should be why do you switch to a weapon that does a better job? You are not even listening to yourself.

Wait… do you think damage output is why you don’t see longbow rangers in the higher levels of PvP? Do you think shoutbows, cele ele’s/engi’s, bunker guard’s, even thieves have their place because of damage output? PvP is all about team utility and holding points.

I guarantee you if every map was laid out like foefire you would see a crap ton of rangers. The reason you see thieves instead of rangers is because thieves have much better mobility, especially on maps where vertical ports offer a huge advantage, and they can boon strip.

Damage has nothing to do with it. 1v1 vs a thief comes down to player skill because our range, cc and single target damage are incredibly effective against a thief.

You are adding in a players unknown where you are great at said skills. Why do you need OUTCLASS someone in such a way simply because it is unbalanced to begin with? I’m not saying there are not elite players that just flay out outclass other players and ranger is their chosen platform I know that is the case. Speaking as a sheer damage output a lot more battles would become a lot more fair if we were not having to work 4 times as hard to get the same result.

You sitting there pew pewing from 1k5 and you call that 4 times as hard?

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Can we just lock this guy in a room with all the people that qq about longbow being op and let them duke it out for awhile?

You know the longbow skills are weak. Why defend it like the aren’t?

I don’t know that at all. I have the sense not to look at skills in a vacuum. meteor shower does more damage than barrage but that is 1 skill on each weapon. You have to compare everything when you consider balance.

The entirety of the fire line while using full zerk nuker makes longbow look weak. THE ONLY skill on Longbow that calculates out decently is the auto attack. Nothing else has the damage of the fire eles weapon skill bar. Nevermind the utility it gets off it’s attunment swaping skills I’m referring to sheer damage nuke ability. There is an equasion that gives every skill it’s final damage output and I’m saying Barrage is not in line with other skills of the same type. Rapid fire is also not in line with the other skills. Being a single target only attack it should be higher naturally than a skill that hits AoE.

That’s because the longbow isn’t designed around every skill being a massive damage skill. You have 2 skills for dealing damage, the rest are for maintaining distance in order to deal that damage. Longbow ranger vs staff ele 1v1 the ranger will always win unless he is completely awful. According to you the ranger shouldn’t stand a chance because you only look at the pieces instead of the puzzle.

Sadly you do not stay in Longbow while in PvP. You said you do not. Why is that? If the pieces of the puzzle are all fitting together why do you go mele? If the damage output is where it should be why do you switch to a weapon that does a better job? You are not even listening to yourself.

So you say you want to sit in LB all day all night? The damage is there but the survivability isnt there. What damage are you doing when you are dead? That’s why swapping to create distance in order to go back to the damage weapon is the purpose of off-hand melee weapon.

It applies the law of the common sense… Its impossible to an archer to fight someone in range of their sword… He is either dead or draw his own sword to fight.

Natfrog.4310:

Klonko.8341:

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Can we just lock this guy in a room with all the people that qq about longbow being op and let them duke it out for awhile?

You know the longbow skills are weak. Why defend it like the aren’t?

Have you looked at warrior rifle? I will use the same term as you: they have similar abilities, yet LB is outperforming greatly the rifle. And it should do so. Because we are rangers.

And my suggestion would be to bring it up in line where it should be. Definately do not leave it weak as it causes huge gaps in damage. Which in turn makes players favor one over the other and make one basically inefficient. Players want to play the style they like not be forced into this BS META cookie cutter play style on classes they do not like to play.

And you know what is “BS META cookie cutter play style” at the moment for ranger? Glass Bow. The one you run.

If it’s meta it means it is one of the most efficient build of the class.

Natfrog.4310:

Puck.9612:

Can we just lock this guy in a room with all the people that qq about longbow being op and let them duke it out for awhile?

You know the longbow skills are weak. Why defend it like the aren’t?

Have you looked at warrior rifle? I will use the same term as you: they have similar abilities, yet LB is outperforming greatly the rifle. And it should do so. Because we are rangers.

On the other hand i do think kudzu is not that great of legendary. It could use a bit of love.

Natfrog.4310:

Klonko.8341:

Sigh…
Considering your whining on the other threads.

You need to understand that:
1: melee dmg should always bee higher than ranged dmg. Because kiting ranged weapon is impossible.
2: 3k-4k auto is freaking strong. I dont believe that any other class can reach this amount of damage on auto. And also you do it from distance which is even better.
3: You complained that thief chewed you. Thats just because you are too glassy. Thief > any zerker spec (except maybe S/F ele). On the other hand, you have the role of the ranged assassin. If someone close the gap they merits to win.
4: 1k5-1k8 dmg per attack while RFing is enormous…
5: You sacrifice your burst dmg for the reliability of the burst. I mean a burst that require a huge set-up needs to do more dmg that a RF at 1k5 range.
6: If you want 100%-0% PvP play static discharge engie.

If i forget something, feel free to complain. Our ranger community will try to save your soul.

You are correct I get that damage from FULL GLASS. Meaning I expect to get hit like a truck yes. But it is still MUCH weaker than an eles meteor shower which I have stated for barrage which functionally does the exact same thing. The hundred blades which functionally does the same thing hits harder and is just a easy to avoid.

But other class has to be FULL GLASS too to reach this dmg. Also, meteor shower is random hit while barrage is tick dmg. One cripple and force you to stay in it and the other dont. LB focus on #1 and #2 to do his dmg, the rest is utility to help you survive in melee. Staff focus on AOE dmg, AOE cc and AOE support.

Basically, what I am saying: You compare the strenght of the other class and want them ALL in the ranger profession. That’s bad reasoning.

What I miss from gw1 was the pet training. Rip sinister crocodile…

(I was farming solo some elite instance with this pet)

Refined toxins has a ICD of 10 sec. So 12/10 poison uptime possible if both pet and ranger attack proc.

Sigh…
Considering your whining on the other threads.

You need to understand that:
1: melee dmg should always bee higher than ranged dmg. Because kiting ranged weapon is impossible.
2: 3k-4k auto is freaking strong. I dont believe that any other class can reach this amount of damage on auto. And also you do it from distance which is even better.
3: You complained that thief chewed you. Thats just because you are too glassy. Thief > any zerker spec (except maybe S/F ele). On the other hand, you have the role of the ranged assassin. If someone close the gap they merits to win.
4: 1k5-1k8 dmg per attack while RFing is enormous…
5: You sacrifice your burst dmg for the reliability of the burst. I mean a burst that require a huge set-up needs to do more dmg that a RF at 1k5 range.
6: If you want 100%-0% PvP play static discharge engie.

If i forget something, feel free to complain. Our ranger community will try to save your soul.

Predator’s Onslaught: Add a +% increase to movement impairing conditions, double the +% dmg when the enemy reach 50% health.

MDG: +5% dmg per 10% health remaining, take +5% dmg too. NO THRESHOLD.

Invigorating Bond: Current, no ICD and give 3 stack of might with a slight buff to heal(?).

Honed Axes: Increase attack speed, by 30-50%. (more might stack for pet -> more deadly pet -> perfect fit for the trait line)

Poison Master: add passive -% for damaging condi. (as someone that know how to make poison usually has developped some resistance to it and are usually good to make anti-poison).

LOYF: add evade to it, grant super speed on weapon swap(?), keep same modifier increase except that duration -> condi dmg.

Empathetic Bond: Cure 3 condis every 10 sec, every 10 sec copy 1-3 boons from your pet.

I throwed random number but the idea is there.

NOTE: I really like the idea from empathic bond because you could create some build that buff your pet and you get some boons back every 10 sec. It would fit the symbiotic link between the pet and the ranger

Holland.9351:

Most Dangerous Game
Deal 10% more damage for every 10% health below max health.
Take 10% more damage for every 10% health below max health.

Now we’re talking.

10% if using ranged and 5% if melee!

Invigorating bounds need no ICD because 20 sec for a that bad heal amount is really bad. Also, you need that pet to be near you… Even with an ealge spamming his f2 every 6 sec it would not be that OP because of the range limitation. What could make it OP however is the BM synergie on f2 activation. Weakness + heal + blind… Maybe it could force enemies to focus the bird? Haha.

They could use the #5 off-hand axe animation of warrior if they are desesperate enough to not adapt the animation to follow our movement.

Jungle pet are more likely to be present if new one are added. Cant wait for a pet snake lel.

Puck.9612:

I want to add, Instinctive Reaction. I don’t understand why you would switch this from converting 7% of vitality to power, to now converting 7% of healing to power. Either just change it back or switch it to 7% of healing is converted to condi damage so it can be used with condi regen builds. Right now it is a waste of a trait.

You forget the new full nomad shoutbow ranger in WvW.

While at it, when reaching 50% cast meteor storm and signet of the wild on self and go downed state. While downed gain 1000 power and 1000 precision.

Thats a more “most dangerous game” we have here… ah and sadly they removed the healing spring on death/downed state. Add in the poison nova on death from rune and we could see a suicide squad zerg.

Well enough troll xD

Or give 8 stack of might for 1s while under 50%. No ramp up. Useless to boonstrip.

Prophet.1584:

If your speccing into BM you can take go for the eyes for another +300 toughness

And you can take spotter for + 150 precision! And you can take main axe with nature magic to stack 12 might on your pet. And you can also give vigor to your pet to provide absolutly nothing! (except the +1% dmg if you trait for it).

Does the pet use get OS on swap? it could be a nice dmg boost knowing that all pet use their highest hitting ability right after the swap in most case.

SHOUTBEAR! the shoutbow 2.0!

Murellow will be baddass with this… Poison cloud around him + somebody that walks in it

The one that will be the most ridiculous with this are the porcine pet. It will be like:

“FORAGE MY PET!!!” – ranger
" OH NO YOU DONT! DONT DESTROY MY BEAUTIFUL GRASS!" – taunted enemy

ProtoMarcus.7649:

I want a full shout squad. Oh boy.

Shoutbow Ranger
Shoutbow Warrior
Shoutbow Guardian
Shoutgreatsword Necro

Man shoutbows EVERYWHERE

Still waiting for “I WILL AVENGE YOU” aka IWAY.