then guys why to hell asked you for this mess? I never understood, you got bored fighting the same enemys over and over? lol There a games where you enemys never change and this for jears. So be careful what you wish for. Did anyone really belived that this matchup change will be any good? Srsly?
This might actually be the 35436 thread about this topic. The forums are full of complaints in every language this game is released. Alot people i know stopped playing until the devs balance this.
Its a looser class for baddies and of course they defend it with uber nerdrage posts and l2p posts because there are no serious arguments for this mess.
You laugh, but I can either turn into a tornado, drop a box containing 3 turrets and some health packs (which, if I already have 4 turrets dropped gives me 7 turrets on the field!), or drop a mortar which is absolutely awesome in WvW wall sieging =D
<3 my Elites.
I reported you for trolling.
SupplyDrop is decent but horrible compared to other abillities, would trade for RaO any day. It is also the only elit that doesnt trigger runes of Lys
Even if scope would work correctly it would still be the most useless trait ever.
So all your drama posts drew 3 minutes of 5 minutes attention per month we get from this 5signet warrior devs. Good job, its not like there are more urgent bugs like rune of lyssa or something.
could we finally get a fix to this? Would be nice to be able to useone of the strongest runesets in this game. Supplycrate is the only elite in gw2 that doesnt trigger this runes.
Is this intended? GlueBomb got fixed in a couple of hours but this gamebreaking bug is still there.
Would be awesome to have some condremove and stabillity in my 4kit builds, even its on a 180 cooldown.
After 3245 buildrape nerfs i changed to the celestial stuff for 2 reasons.
1. You are more flexible and you can still reach high power or cond damage values.
2. You can buy/craft every other trinket in exotic for low costs. The difference between exotic and ascended isnt noticable at all.
I use a full set of rabid armor, pistols/shield + runes for a cond build and a full set of knights armor, beserk rifle and runes for a power build.
greate and you really have to create a Forum thread about that, wow.
Ist not like beeing able to become invisible at will, no matter how often we want.
there were almost an explosion in the population of engis in wvw but anet reacted quickly and cut confusion dmg in half and overnerfed incendairy powder and elixir s.
My pre doomsday (april patch) got his damage cut in half. Since then i tried alot of builds but with the butchered KR-trait and the rest of nerfs i lost interest in the game.
Engis is still vaible no matter if its condition or power spec or hybrid, with bombs, nades or even FT you can make this class work.
But with the recent patches you encounter just thiefs which is another reason why this game makes less fun.
I would use it more if the throw mine effect was a knockdown rather than a launch.
Why’s that? Launch is awesome!
Sadly the mine does a knockback and no Launch.
A Launch would be super awesome and a reason to use it.
But there is no reason for me to take mines over bombs or nades.
And hell there is no reason to replace toolkit or e-gun with them either.
No offense, i watched your first vid but after ~5 minutes of stomping upleveled guys and staff eles with a pre apocalypse spec and the help of a lololthief i stopped.
Nice Music nonethenless.
The second half of vid2 is more entertaining because 4kit builds is the only true challenge this game offers but its still before doomsday patch right? because you could swap to kits as mini.
my advice use super elixir more often, dont ever play without e-gun (remember how you were stucked without?;P) and the most awesome funtrick is: put down BoB target your enemy and magnet him to your position. funny as hell. And really stop hanging around with thiefs, it makes your whole perfomance unimpressive. Youre good enough to play with real men.
Retal was reduced by 33% and confusion brought down to reasonably level that was already present in pvp. If ele has phenomenal mobility how would you call ranger, thief and warrior mobility?
Better then engineers, necros, guardians.
Equipped with fiery greatsword ele has still the best mobility ingame.
Coupled with tons of condition removement, stunbreakers, on demand stability, strong combo fields + finishers, boons, damage and cc.
Show me one single build that comes close to the D/D ele, just one.
I abused this build for months but unlike all the crybabies i remain honest and objective.
Obviously you dont play it alot then?
1. incendary powder nerf is extrem, its a brutal dropp in dps for condition builds
2. confusion/retaliation cut in half.
I’d hardly consider the change to Incendiary Powder a “brutal” loss in DPS for condition builds. It’s annoying for HGH builds, but it’s really only harmful to Flamethrower Kit builds, which were pretty much nonexistent anyway.
Then you have even less knowledge about this game as i first thought.
Sry my bad. We might debate that topic as soon you understand why this nerf is so brutal espacially if its your only source of burning even without grenades.
As for the confusion/retaliation nerf, the damage has just been brought down to its level in SPvP, which is the format the game is balanced around, anyway.
Very well, then we should apply all those spvp nerfs like cleansing water nerf and cleaning wave nerf to WvW as well right? no? Why not?
AND provides you with phenomenal mobility on top of that you can share it.
Supplycrate is nice for 1v1 right but thats about it. It doesnt help me to escape the zerg, it doesnt do tons of damage, it can be countered so easaly like pressing 2 buttons on a D/D ele.
True, the Fiery Greatsword provides what is possibly the greatest mobility in the game. The best part about the Supply Crate is the stun+immobilize, though, so you don’t really need to worry about the turrets being destroyed.
So youre telling me that the best part of supply crate is hard countered by a 36 CD cantrip? I have to agree. And btw we all know that in WvW roaming mobility is > everything else.
Obviously you dont play it alot then?
1. incendary powder nerf is extrem, its a brutal dropp in dps for condition builds
2. confusion/retaliation cut in half.
Together its a dropp of overall 50% dps output in WvW
The ele lost just a bit mobility which the engi hasnt much anyway and the mistform nerf which i use just to stomp/rez people anyway.
And fiery greatsword IS better then supplydropp because it does a very huge amount of damage AND provides you with phenomenal mobility on top of that you can share it.
Supplycrate is nice for 1v1 right but thats about it. It doesnt help me to escape the zerg, it doesnt do tons of damage, it can be countered so easaly like pressing 2 buttons on a D/D ele. You uys have trouble with playing D/D ele? srsly its really time to quit then because its still an oped faceroll spec with tons of damage,healing, support, escape and condition removement.
nope, because supplydropp is a bad joke compared.
You just dont value an anytime ohsnap button which breaks stun, remove condition and provides stabillity. Try an engineer and you will.
I would trade supplydropp for the greatsword anyday, if engis would hav access to it, you wouldnt even know that there is a skill called supplydropp, like most people here dont know anything from the engineer class anyway.
And those little funny turrets get destroyed with 1 spell from the ele.
Supply drop is arguably one of the best 1v1 elite in the game while almost no one uses fgs in pvp.
Are you guys really trying to argue with me? I have full equipped ele/engineer since ~5 months, so do me a favor and stop babbling. You dont even know how hard enginers was hit the last 2 patches so just inform yourselves before you try to teach me thx.
A side note: jes i only play WvW because spvp is… dont have to say anything right?
nope, because supplydropp is a bad joke compared.
You just dont value an anytime ohsnap button which breaks stun, remove condition and provides stabillity. Try an engineer and you will.
I would trade supplydropp for the greatsword anyday, if engis would hav access to it, you wouldnt even know that there is a skill called supplydropp, like most people here dont know anything from the engineer class anyway.
And those little funny turrets get destroyed with 1 spell from the ele.
I switched to D/D ele from engineer because compared to the laughable D/D Ele nerf engineers got literally kitten by the nerfbat. Meanwhile i laugh at all the tears here…
Imagine they would have deleted evaisive arcane, elemental attunement got a 20 icd and 30% of your dmg abillitys got cut in half. Thats just half of the treatment engineers got since release. So your crying looks a little bit ridiculous.
I made just 1 little adaption, i change the elite to fiery greatsword, thats it.
And lol this is one powerful elite.
I actually felt I was in a good place in WvW until the last patch. I ran Rifle/Grenades with Power/Toughness gear, and felt competitive against most classes. Not uber-powerful, but if I played well I was in with a chance.
Then as always with Engineers, they had to nerf something to the ground.
Now without being able to heal under Elixir S, my survivability is non existent. The aggressive playstyle I used to enjoy is now suicidal, and all I can do is stand at the back of zergs and throw grenades.
I’ve lived with all the previous nerfs, and just tried to play better, but after this latest decimation of the Engineer I really have to force myself to log in, because I just don’t have fun playing anymore.
This is it.
I have to force myself to log in since patch, atm i just do the daily and logout trying to find any game to get a breake from gw2.
I also got a D/D Ele and the funny thing is, i barely recognized the nerf for them while the ele board is full of tears. On the other hand the engi is ridicoulus overnerfed this time. I Could easaly beat them before but with the huge nerf to confusion its pretty hard now.
Go ahead, you need to be on EU Server for that. But for the rest contact me ingame and spare the rest of us with your progamer attitude here in this discussion. Youre quite ridiculous.
Oh jes we got it, youre the pro player.
Dude srsly just get lost please. I was just about to start discussing with arguments, then i realised your arent worth the time it takes.
Why engis are called bad is cuz no one knows how to properly build them
Obviously you do?
Ok, now tell me how! Apparently you dont even play one while i main engi since beta.
The last 2 patches murderraped engis like ive never seen in any game.
They used to be the strongest 1v1 class with the highest skillcap in the whole game, now they are a joke, the damage got cut in half and every single build i created since beta got destroyed. Im Sick of comments like yours. This class is just a mess. I played alot since patch it became almost unplayable. And dont dare to tell me some l2p crap.
And before you dare to tell anything about HgH crapbuilds with nades, they are a joke compared what other classes have and only noobs get farmed by those.
True why I started running bomb kitten or support still great builds just rely a lot upon kits and people don’t like kits
You dont even know what youre talking about i play 4-kit builds most of the time and they are totally horrible now. Show me your decent build and i will torn it apart.
I Also got an D/D ele and a mesmer and belive me engis got murdered with the last 2 patches while D/D ele ist still superior in every aspect, espacially “support”
incendairy powder overnerf.
Elixir S overnerfraped
retal/confusion cut in half.
cloaking device nerfed.
Boon hate and super buffs to every other prof except Ele.
And you guys are even happy with this patch.
Im tired of this game, played since beta but coupled with the KR disaster last patch they have gone to far. They actually nerfed my desire to log in. Have fun.
So guys just to get this straight…. according to this thread HGH should be nerfed, as well as the condition cleanses (again) that this build offers. Also the supplycrate needs a look and incendairy powder is also too strong. The might runes should be toned down and the general boon hate that will come, the changes to confusion for WvW and the upcoming general nerfbat for AoE… Did i actually miss something?
Are you Guys kitten serious? Really? After Months of lameabuse of the most broken and oped faceroll Mesmer/Ele,Thief and Guardian builds you really dare to come here and tell the people which play the hardest class to master, that use a pure gimmick build that this is oped?
How about l2p as the most of you dont hesitate to answer if someone QQ about the facerollbuilds most of you use?
Srsly mesmers that cry that thier shatterbuild has no cond removal….. most of you didnt even know what HgH does before this thread existed. I never used it anyway because its totally unneeded and there are way better ways to stack might.
Anet has known about bunker guardians for 8 months nothing has changed.
They’ve known about bunker ele’s for 6 months no changes.
Mesmer’s are a must in every team comp since release and received a bugged changed that gave them the ability to 1 shot ppl and that took months to fix.
Where would you get the idea that debating or what this really is whining on the forums would make anything change about the engi?
Because since Beta engineers get kitten by the nerfbat every single patch while people still cried that they are to weak and need some love. Thanks to this thread the devs now know there is a still a “viable” engineer build and the next patch will even more brutal then the last one.
If we nerf all things abusable by “lamers,” then there won’t be a kitten thing left. For ANY class. Enough nerfs, buff weaker classes/class specs to compete. Enough
of this PC, cater-to-whiny-idiots, “OMGWTFBBQPWNZOR, it’s too strong, let’s nerf it!” crap. Seriously.
As for Engi confusion: they may lack aoe on it, but their stacking is pretty frigging nice.
Funny, when Mesmers are supposed to be the “Confusion Guru.”
As well as the portal king, the invulnerability master, the projectile reflection chief, the quickness chef and the ethereal lord? Mesmer is the only must have class for every content in this game they can do everything and have 194355 gimmicks that no other class can offer. And dare you talking about nerfs, i played engineer since beta so srsly dont dare to talk about nerfs ever again.
I have shattertank mesmer AND an condition engineer.
I still whine about confussion, how about that? I whine about it because 80% and im not exeggerating are playing mesmer in wvw and this isnt fun at all. Have you even considered that not all people like to play lame oped stuff?
Where to hell does all you biased non ebjective people come from? God its like no real men are left in the internet.
As the title says I think its only a matter of time before confusion is nerfed in WvW. Personally I think it’s fine and actually forces people to run condition removal, but as I’ve seen with the Engineer forums, there’s a high likelihood it will get nerfed. I would really like to see a statement regarding this from ANET to see if this will happen or not.
Sure it will be nerfed, lol because every lamer in the game has to abuse it like there is no tommorow. About 80% of the WvW population are mesmers that abuse the hell out of it. Poor engineers after 3254 nerfs they get thier last powerful tool left destroyed. Unlike mesmers they dont have reliable aoe confussion.
Maybe its sarcasm but i actually never read any post about engineers beeing oped.
Its the opposite. All decent engineers that ive met ingame since realease, all 3 of them, rerolled since last patch.
I adepted after every patch engineer got nerfed which is and im not kidding every single patch since bwe1 but this went to far i was thinking about altenatives today and couldnt find any viable build without having some 409 elixir crap.
I had a strong build with medkit, e-gun, elixir s and toolkit. Damage was already low but i did fine. I build for boon duration with enhanced performance and altruism runes + sigil of battle. This build relied on e-gun + KR for condition remove its so utterly broken now and no im not going to get complete new gear again.
I sticked to this class since bwe1 but now its dead for me.
The only positive thing about this patch is that i spared 30 laurels until today because now i dont have to bother if my engineer or my ele gets another ascended item.
But then again i dont know if i will continue playing anyway.
Our strongest build use HGH, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
nope our strongest builds were those i used and HGH is the most BS trait you can choose, i had 15-18 might without this stupid joke of a trait. But then again i play WvW and not PvE like you.
They finally killed my engineer, i survived 13543 nerfs, resskilled/regeared after every patch, now you got me anet. Im done here.
Very very, very tempted to throw in the towel along side ya. Only reason I’m not is that the conditions/HGH build still somewhat interests me; least til they nerf that into the ground too, to give gadgets a cooldown reductiom or something equally ludicrous.
This build sucks, it always sucked and will ever suck its designed for baddies who suck at playing engineer. Its totally BS in 1vX and HGH is the most useless and wasted trait ever. Jes its the last build left because there is no other way to remove conditions, but that doesnt mean its a good build.
If you dont agree you were a baddie anyway. The only dangerous/decent engineers had a minimum of 2 kits, everything else was just free badges.
I just rage now until maybe next week and maybe i continue playing my mesmer/ele or im done once and for all. Engineer is dead for me and it was the thing that drawed me to this game.
Why is it that almost only non-thief players keep ranting about the class on the forum? We’ve got neither access to stability nor to invulnerability, no second life bar, no clones, no access to (massivly) block, no knockdowns, we can’t rally ourselves blablabla, yet people still whine about us. Invisibility doesnt mean we’re invulnerable or not there at all, if you can’t handle it, reroll a thief. Seriously its mostly bad players complaining in here and whats even more funny, is that they don’t even whine about d/p stealth spam, which is probably the only thing I consider OP – perma blind + stealthed needs to go, thats it. We’re a burst class by design, able to take out players fast, if they don’t pay attention, if you don’t like that design, move to another game. Now go troll yourself.
I’ve been saying this since release.
They can’t see the stomp coming, so they think it’s overpowered- yet completely kittening ignore stomps’ (stability/mist/elixir s) that you CAN’T stop. Period.
Yeah. Nurf t3h Theivf plz Anetz.
So you really CANT stop invul/stealthstomps? Really?
There is a tool to do so. Guess what it is. Its actually pretty funny that you dont know it.
OMG fanbois.
1. On all forums about GW2 in all languages this game is released, people complain about this stupid class. Every 3rd thiefplayer admit that this is maybe the most broken class in history of MMO-gaming.
2. 95% of all people i know who played the game moved, and ~80% Of people i knew through the game moved. About 50% of them did it because of the horrible balance and stealth issue. A good friend of me laughed as he encountered the permastealth crap. No he didnt complain at all, he just deinstalled the game.
Stealth stomp itself isnt OP.
Stealthstomp without any CD is.
Every other class has to sacrifice a stunbreaker, invul or stealth ability with a high CD.
Thiev can permastealthstomp so as i always said, CnD is the problem.
Grenades and or bombs are cool for this duo with the GS pull and or the hammer circle you can have a couple of very nice oompf moments. But beware, i once killed my own brother (guard) with grenade barrage because one of the 15425 thiefs accidantly facerolled over roflstorm the moment i used the barrage^^
Atm i would also recommend the toolkit and a conditionspec you need decent toughness and survivaltools for duo IMO. Elixir S is a must have. So youve pretty much 1 slot left for anything but i would use a kit, e-gun or bombs. If you have enough condremove take the bombs.
Anyway your buddy needs the hammer! Magnet 1.2k range + circle of light. Everyone will hate you.
Could you try to read that post agin plz? Maybe you get my point then, thx.
Neither stability nor invisibility nor shrinkform helps you to stomp a thief, thats my point. As engineer i cant prevent a thief from stomping, not even once.
This isnt about 1v1 a thief at all. Its the same for groupfights or larger encounters.
Thiefs are almost the only classes that can ruin my elixir s stomp on others with shadowrefuge.
With your grenades …. you should stick to your commander and camping walls.
And jes i played nades after release where no one even knew what 100nades is about.
Had to change my build, mostly because of thieves to survive thier burst. Its just not that good for soloing compared to conditionspec.
I dont 1vs1 i usually play 1vsX, you wont do that well there with nades but where should you know. Dont know how bad you are on your thief but this is the only class which causes trouble to me because they clean all thier conditions everytime they stealth. Jes i usually beat them, but it takes longer then every other class and of course i only mention the really good ones. Even mesmers and D/D eles are easy compared to thiefs. Again its not about fighting a thief, if you play alot WvW you have to learn that because most players here are so bad that they cant have success on nonlamer professions. So every 2nd enemy i face is a thief, no im not exaggerating.
GS on Mesmer is a noob weapon, for baddies that just want to press 2+4 on CD for success. Oh and how they cried after this ridicoulus phantasm got balanced, all those tears
Staff FTW and i dont get people that dont play Staff in PvE or group based WvW.
Chaosstorm is one of the most powerful abilitys in this game.
Ok…just to get this straight, you guys compare my only stunbreaker/invul with a 60sec cooldown that i need to use just to get a secure stomp with a spammable no CD at all abillity? Really?
And maybe you guys arnt aware of this little detail but there is actually a counter to stability/invul stomping, gues what it is? Exactly, its this ridicoulus broken ability with the worst implementation in MMO history, the reason why ~50% of my friends already quit this game. Right its stealth…..
In straight 1v1 situation between my engineer and a thief there is no way i can stomp the thief and using my elixir S for it would be a waste. On the other hand i have no not a single chance to prevent the thief from stomping me. But this isnt enough, thiefs are the reason in >95% of all cases where my invulstomps fail because they just area stealth the downed one.
Thiefplayers talking about balance is one reason for hating the internet.
Even more annoying then youtube commentary.
lets take the most complex and challenging class to play and make it complete stationary and boring. Awesome, cant stop to womit.
Engis have the 2 most boring utility types in the game, turrets and elixirs, they dont need buffs they need to be removed because turrets will ever fail in a game like gw2.
