Guild Wars 2

Not sure why a moderator deleted my last thread since I’m addressing a bug that not only I have experienced, but everyone else…Doesn’t make sense to delete a thread about a bug that’s affecting everyone? I’m screenshotting this for email reference if mod power continues to be abused here.

Anyways…Whenever we take a tower or a keep in EoTM (If it’s in normal wvw as well, confirm please), the chests that appear at the end after the capture does not drop dragonite ores or empyreal fragments. This is a bug that’s occurred since the most recent patch. I’m actually trying to farm dragonite ores and such. And this is not helping.

The chests are bugged when you capture keeps or towers or supply camps in the edge of the mists. They no longer provide emp fragments or dragonite ores.

Uhh…You seemed confused. Just be more aggressive and pressure. If you are outnumbered, it’s your role to disengage and move on to the next point to back cap.

Nice vid. My guild has fought 4 v 20 and won before. It was hilarious. Yes, at the same time. Constant peels. Stealth bombs. So funny.

Chaith.8256:

Narkodx.1472:

You think you won’t be high on the leader boards?

Nope, probably won’t break top 100 because I refuse to pub stomp my way to the top. My playstyle is to team queue when other teams are playing, for quality matches and to not annoy people who aren’t expecting to face an Abjured pug. I might play 25-30 games a week.

Narkodx.1472:

That bothers you doesn’t it

What would you suggest? I can queue up and stomp you and other unsuspecting, average players for 20 hours a week if you’d prefer. I’d definitely be top rated!

Do you see why incentivizing top teams to do this in order to stay competitive is bad?

Here’s an idea. Set up 5 v 5 scrims versus those “top 20 elite” players until this is “fixed”. Gosh, I’m such a genius.

Backpack still being a 16 year old brat. Jesus. Cannot wait for you to start college or get an actual job. You worry about the dumbest stuff ever.

Stand The Wall.6987:

Has to stop.

Commander sniping is when one or usually several people within a zerg dedicate their build (corrupt boon, rapid fire, magnet etc.) to taking down the enemy commander.

For those of you who havent experienced this, youre probably saying to yourself “well this really doesnt sound so bad”. Wrong. Its so… gamebreaking. Your zerg can be looking for theirs for half an hour, and all it takes is some kittenwit to come along and ruin the fun. I have been in more then one situation where both of our zergs just mill around, running back and forth, because both commanders are scared of getting sniped, thus wiping their zerg, thus causing people to log off, thus causing a giant kittening snowball effect that KILLS THE kittenING GAME.

Thats the problem. Here is a proposal.

After (10, 20, 30?) people join a commanders squad, that commander gains a buff that either makes him immune to all such sniping skills, or a flat bonus to toughness and vitality.

Tactics. Look it up.

Marmatt.8590:

Well, first what are you roaming exactly? WvW? PvE?

Pretty sure title says WvW.

Backpack.8517:

Lettuce.2945:

masskillerxploit.2165:

Lettuce.2945:

Backpack.8517:

Lettuce.2945:

Team fighters sounds about right but I know a few way better duelists than the top 15 1 v 1.

15 top 1v1s (Meta builds only)

IF i wanted to hear you blab on about how Kronos is SOOO GOOOD and the only reason he doesnt play in tournaments is because he has obligations 24/7 then i would say soo…
But sorry I dont care if you win your 1v1s on a SA S/d D/P thief, or a phantasm mantra mesmer… please bring them into a 5v5 scenario… If your successful then kudos to you

Lol. Top 1 v 1 meta builds only? First you completely keep 1 v 1 and 5 v 5 separate by making two lists of it. Then now you want to have them cross over? Make up your mind. And um, he can play any thief meta and pretty much own 3/4 of your “1v1” list without breaking a sweat. Oh, just in case you were wondering…He does play in tournaments. 1 v 1 tournaments. He’s won over 12k gold from 1 v 1 tournaments and gambling servers.

And kronos isn’t the only one actually. There’s other good duelists out there that perform far better than those on your list. It’s just a popularity contest and I’ve seen said players get rekt by randoms 1 v 1. They are just probably better in a team setting, but 1 v 1 setting is a no. Like, for ele…I would say that ele named totagowa? (something like that) or Tormentum Nex (Star Destruction) is better than the eles you picked on the list 1 v 1 wise.

L.
M.
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Oh hi Ferox, the guy who refused to duel any one of the people I listed above even when all of you were in the same dueling server. You kept making excuses not to 1v1 as captured on kaaly’s stream on twitch.

Good for you backpack. Really. Too bad you can’t convert those gems into cash. Meanwhile, I’m busy with my graphic design job and pursuing a masters in vis dev. What are you doing? Oh right, being a rich preppy 16 year old living in his parents basement where he has all those free time to play gw2. I really can’t wait for when life hits you like a truck in a couple of years. You really need a slice of humble pie. Why couldn’t you go to the world tournament? Oh right, parents said no.

I’ll leave this here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8f0v7Urg3I

And yeah Teef, I would really love to see a fight between phantaram and Nex sometimes. That would be fun to watch. Probably end in stalemate.

Lol u sound salty… #trustfund?
And BTW I’m 17 and the age restriction stopped me… Too bad u and ur buddies aren’t good enough to go… At least my restrictions go away with time, you all though … I Don’t think so #psi

Not as salty as you sound in this vid.

masskillerxploit.2165:

Lettuce.2945:

Backpack.8517:

Lettuce.2945:

Team fighters sounds about right but I know a few way better duelists than the top 15 1 v 1.

15 top 1v1s (Meta builds only)

IF i wanted to hear you blab on about how Kronos is SOOO GOOOD and the only reason he doesnt play in tournaments is because he has obligations 24/7 then i would say soo…
But sorry I dont care if you win your 1v1s on a SA S/d D/P thief, or a phantasm mantra mesmer… please bring them into a 5v5 scenario… If your successful then kudos to you

Lol. Top 1 v 1 meta builds only? First you completely keep 1 v 1 and 5 v 5 separate by making two lists of it. Then now you want to have them cross over? Make up your mind. And um, he can play any thief meta and pretty much own 3/4 of your “1v1” list without breaking a sweat. Oh, just in case you were wondering…He does play in tournaments. 1 v 1 tournaments. He’s won over 12k gold from 1 v 1 tournaments and gambling servers.

And kronos isn’t the only one actually. There’s other good duelists out there that perform far better than those on your list. It’s just a popularity contest and I’ve seen said players get rekt by randoms 1 v 1. They are just probably better in a team setting, but 1 v 1 setting is a no. Like, for ele…I would say that ele named totagowa? (something like that) or Tormentum Nex (Star Destruction) is better than the eles you picked on the list 1 v 1 wise.

L.
M.
A.
O.

Oh hi Ferox, the guy who refused to duel any one of the people I listed above even when all of you were in the same dueling server. You kept making excuses not to 1v1 as captured on kaaly’s stream on twitch.

Good for you backpack. Really. Too bad you can’t convert those gems into cash. Meanwhile, I’m busy with my graphic design job and pursuing a masters in vis dev. What are you doing? Oh right, being a rich preppy 16 year old living in his parents basement where he has all those free time to play gw2. I really can’t wait for when life hits you like a truck in a couple of years. You really need a slice of humble pie. Why couldn’t you go to the world tournament? Oh right, parents said no.

I’ll leave this here.

And yeah Teef, I would really love to see a fight between phantaram and Nex sometimes. That would be fun to watch. Probably end in stalemate.

Backpack.8517:

Lettuce.2945:

Team fighters sounds about right but I know a few way better duelists than the top 15 1 v 1.

15 top 1v1s (Meta builds only)

IF i wanted to hear you blab on about how Kronos is SOOO GOOOD and the only reason he doesnt play in tournaments is because he has obligations 24/7 then i would say soo…
But sorry I dont care if you win your 1v1s on a SA S/d D/P thief, or a phantasm mantra mesmer… please bring them into a 5v5 scenario… If your successful then kudos to you

Lol. Top 1 v 1 meta builds only? First you completely keep 1 v 1 and 5 v 5 separate by making two lists of it. Then now you want to have them cross over? Make up your mind. And um, he can play any thief meta and pretty much own 3/4 of your “1v1” list without breaking a sweat. Oh, just in case you were wondering…He does play in tournaments. 1 v 1 tournaments. He’s won over 12k gold from 1 v 1 tournaments and gambling servers.

And kronos isn’t the only one actually. There’s other good duelists out there that perform far better than those on your list. It’s just a popularity contest and I’ve seen said players get rekt by randoms 1 v 1. They are just probably better in a team setting, but 1 v 1 setting is a no. Like, for ele…I would say that ele named totagowa? (something like that) or Tormentum Nex (Star Destruction) is better than the eles you picked on the list 1 v 1 wise.

Team fighters sounds about right but I know a few way better duelists than the top 15 1 v 1.

Elitist.8701:

Lettuce.2945:

Booms.2594:

gl with tpvp if youre going to all run SA thief PU mesmers and D/F eles who stack 4 stacks of might lol

Wait. I know who this is. This is the guard who got slapped so hard by me who talked kitten. Oh hi Mobos. 4 might. Lol. Ok, sure. Keep lying to yourself bud. whispers I wasn’t even trying when I dueled you. And you got beat by a guard who was only 6 hours old. Best guard NA indeed. Best guard NA. . Let that sink in and shatter your self belief Mobos.

By the way, don’t be a scrub and blame it on wrong sigils. You ran double doom. That’s the only thing that could have possibly helped you against me. And you failed with it. And you lost to an acro thief in a 1 v 1 after saying “No acro thief can beat me 1 v 1”. Lo and behold, you lost first thing after saying that. Sounds like a l2p issue to me. Maybe you should have a conversation with elitist. He said the same thing about Kronos. That he could only play SA soldiers cheese then kronos beat him badly mirror spec zerker amulet (not even SA). Is it your turn next? At least Elitist was nice enough to admit his mistake. I see you haven’t. Such a pleb. Stop being salty. Save the salt for the turkey today.

Dude really, now you’re just being dumb. DD/DF ele in general hardcounters meditation guard, doesn’t matter if Muubs is running double doom, he probably just thought you were a terribad and it turns out you have somewhat of a brain and so you beat him because you hardcounter him. Dude you’re more Elitist than I am man. Anyway Muubs is best medi guard NA, if he lost because of some random crap it doesn’t mean anything. Also, why is the whole FEAR guild full of such fanboys? You guys literally worship Kronos like a god. Its wierd man.

Nah I’m not being dumb. I even asked him if he was sure he wanted to 1 v 1 because eles hard counters guards. He just got too confident because I was a “random”. I would say Mobos is above average at best. This is based off the fact that I’ve fought guards who gave me a harder fight than Mobos did. I’ve seen better.

And it’s not like we worship him. It’s just whenever I see people claiming to be the best thief, I just ask them if they’ve dueled kronos. Not because I think Kronos is the absolute best, but I want to see a good fight between good thieves. Like I know Amonatory is really good. I would love to see those guys mirror spec different types of specs duel some day. Would be really fun to watch. I think most of the “known” players aren’t just the best pvpers. Just a popularity contest. Granted, some of them are legibly good and have earned their spot. But some…Not really. Caed for example, I love his rotations and map awareness and he does great in team fights. Definitely seems like a guy who calculates. And that’s something I appreciate in players in general. Kronos is one of them as well. You guys just need to give credit where its due sometimes instead of just trying to straight up deny what’s staring at you in the face. I appreciate that teef teef teef can at least admit things. So props to you. It was fun watching you guys fight regardless of the outcome.

But Mobos on the other hand, has absolutely no sportsmanship whatsoever. You were just blatantly rude to all of us and got super salty when you lost. You even went as far to call someone an autistic kitten or something. I think it was the thief you lost to. When we beat you, you blocked us. Nice attitude there. No apologies at all.

Booms.2594:

gl with tpvp if youre going to all run SA thief PU mesmers and D/F eles who stack 4 stacks of might lol

Wait. I know who this is. This is the guard who got slapped so hard by me who talked kitten. Oh hi Mobos. 4 might. Lol. Ok, sure. Keep lying to yourself bud. whispers I wasn’t even trying when I dueled you. And you got beat by a guard who was only 6 hours old. Best guard NA indeed. Best guard NA. . Let that sink in and shatter your self belief Mobos.

By the way, don’t be a scrub and blame it on wrong sigils. You ran double doom. That’s the only thing that could have possibly helped you against me. And you failed with it. And you lost to an acro thief in a 1 v 1 after saying “No acro thief can beat me 1 v 1”. Lo and behold, you lost first thing after saying that. Sounds like a l2p issue to me. Maybe you should have a conversation with elitist. He said the same thing about Kronos. That he could only play SA soldiers cheese then kronos beat him badly mirror spec zerker amulet (not even SA). Is it your turn next? At least Elitist was nice enough to admit his mistake. I see you haven’t. Such a pleb. Stop being salty. Save the salt for the turkey today.

Elitist.8701:

Whoa you guys really hyped this up. I apologize if I insulted you or your game mode man, Im just saying it’s unnecessary to include those details. I agree there are good players in wvw. Im sry ;(

Dude Lettuce are you really going to post about that on the forum? Its over man just forget about it. “Kronos is best dueler NA”. Happy now? Anyway theres more to being a good PvP thief than just 1v1. You guys enjoy wvw, Im sorry for talking crap about Kronos and your guild. I was just mad that I lost.

Also I didnt jump on you I just headshotted you for like 700 dmg and then you jumped on me :P

Im gonna delete my first post, Razgerb you should just delete this thread and make a new one man :/

Apology accepted. And just so you know, we spend most of our time dueling each other on many professions on spvp servers. So we really aren’t “wvw heroes”. But we did recently transfer servers like 2 days ago to all roam together. We were on different servers until recently. We even won a 4 v 25 yesterday which was epic. But what you need to understand is that we prefer death match types. We aren’t really crazy about conquest so that’s why we duel quite often and that way, we learn the game’s and profession mechanics which allowed us to 4 v 25 in wvw. Conquest favors specific specs and death matches favors specific specs. We try to find the balance between the two hence the numerous build experimentation we do. We do intend on tpvping a lot soon anyways. We had 10 tpvp games a week or so ago. Only lost one. I didn’t tpvp for a while because I wanted to learn the game’s mechanics and profession mechanics before doing so. Didn’t want to be a burden and rather, carry the team instead through pvp knowledge. Now we’ll tpvp for rotation knowledge, but our priority is still death match favored.

As for the head shotting me in my duel, if you do that…I’m just going to assume you want to troll me and jump me. Hence why I responded by fighting you. Maybe don’t do that next time?

Elitist.8701:

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Nobody gives a crap about your AP, this isn’t PvE. Nobody cares about WvW, WvW is full of terribads. Yeah….

Must be why you lost to kronos 99% of the time mirror zerk spec then called him a WvW hero/duelist after losing. What’s even more funny is you, before the match, said “He can only play soldiers SA cheese and you would win 90% of the fights against him if it was zerker mirror”. Yet, he mirrored your spec and you lost BADLY. * Like you got 100-1’ed. This was three days ago. So yeah, pretty recent.

Then you proceeded to jump my thief in a 1 v 1 duel on a dueling server with a test build yesterday (Adventurer runes and carrion amulet with p/d and d/p) and not only did you fail to kill me in my duel, you ended up getting killed. *whispers “I only have 28 hours on my thief” Might want to reconsider your claim to being number 1 thief on NA.

By the way, did you enjoy the humiliation dye and packet of salt mail from all of us?

Cool vid. Besides the comments that others have already made, the only thing that I noticed you could do better was your finishers. I noticed many times that even if you put black powder down, they still fear you, or knock you down or whatever. I always put black powder down, THEN heart seeker in it to go in stealth. If it’s a guard, I’ll do that, then shadow step finish him while stealthed. It also reduces the risk of his teammates seeing him being finished by someone and knocking you back.

killahmayne.9518:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFAQJAoYhcM6bW4wzBdEBuAA5SwIiU8uA-TVCBABOqEkUVP+UFEAeAAecCAsUNAzU+V0+DAqHIAACwNbzA44G34G34Gnje0jezbezSBExyI-w

I think i got close, short maybe around 200 power

Looks close but lose a few cele’s. Good job though mate.

Special K.8143:

some constructive critizime about your thread, not your videos.

If you were to have just posted some videos and said, “hey, look at my cool vids” and nothing more, i wouldnt be posting. But since you said you are trying to help teach Ele class and play style, you kinda -NEED- to post your build. and if you are changing your builds on each video, each build should be posted in each video discription.

The reason i say this is because people who really want to learn to play ele and carefully watch your videos or other people videos, will take note of your playstyle. If you are playing super aggressive in one video and then playing for sustain in the next, people are gonna notice the change in playstyle, but maybe not know why if they dont know what traits you are using, armor, runes, sigils, etc. even other ele “pro’s” can probably guess at 80% of what you are running because they know ele. But the audience you stated you are trying to target dont know, and wont know. They might watch some or all of your videos and go ya, he’s pretty good. but then they will go over to posts by Spoon, Dahir, or Armageddon Ash, etc who give out build info for each of their vids. When asked for your build, whether here in the forum thread or on your video threads, the best you said is “oh i’m using a couple pieces of zerker and some blah blah”. Not very helpful.

I honestly believe that builds in wvw should not be handed to anyone on a silver platter. There’s so much build diversity in wvw and it rewards the player who best thinks of a build that fits their play style. Like that’s the main reason why I refuse to give out my build as an ele. I don’t want to fight myself. I know it would be a pain in the kitten . I literally optimized all the stats to the point where it’s really a jack of all trades. And no, not full cele. I run a mix of 4 gear types. Power’s in the 2200+ range, 38%+ crit rate, 188% crit dmg, 700+ healing power, 2500+ armor, 700+ condi dmg, 19-21k hp without wvw applied fortitude, etc. You think I want to share this build? Yeah, no thanks. Took me over 50+ tries on build editor to come up with it. Not going to just hand it to anyone. I would give hints to my guild members if they want to follow my build by just providing the stats to aim for. And yes, this includes food.

He does explain the combos and the proper rotations and how to bait players and all. It’s more about the tactics of an ele in specific situations like 1vX in camp, 1v1, 2v2…etc, not the build itself. The build is generally pretty obvious in what he went for stat wise… Just tweak it to your tastes more.

Edit: One of my guild members actually came very close to my build. The only thing he came up short on was the crit chance. So he felt a sense of accomplishment. You don’t feel that if someone just hands it to you.

Fay.2357:

Lettuce.2945:

Fay.2357:

Lettuce.2945:

Dhampyr.2104:

Lettuce.2945:

Yes there is a point. It’s a tutorial video. But the creator does not do what he is “teaching us to do”. So that is quite funny itself. Get it? Ok. Cool. Glad I helped you understand that simple notion.

You’re still adding nothing to the discussion, not that I’m particularly surprised. Yawn. Trolls are so boring and predictable.

Regarding the OP – what sigils are folks finding best? I’ve tried tormenting, but the single torment stack is a bit lackluster at best. Bursting seems nice, and obviously energy is always a plus for any shatter build. Any others working nicely for folks?

And what exactly is there to contribute? This is such an aids/crutch build for players who need the assist in pvp. It’s self explanatory and it’s as simple as just breathing. It’s really amusing to watch you guys discuss the build when the build itself, is what carries the player. Almost as bad as turret engis. Even more funnier to beat them when they try to get carried by the build.

Alternatively…what? Try to brute force your way through matches using a worse build so you can feel better about yourself? I can kill people with no offhand and half my traits, does that mean that using a full build is skill less and noob?

No, of course not. Using anything but the most effective build in any situation is a mistake or a conscientious choice for some reason that isn’t maximum effectiveness. The more a build works for you the larger the head-start is before you start comparing skill to skill. A highly effective build amplifies the effect of a skilled player, allowing them to play tremendously strong where an ineffective build has the opposite effect of dampening the way skill shows through.

This build is effective. Play it with skill and it becomes even more so. PU condie is a similar case. Just because the op appears to be semi-incompetent with the build has absolutely no bearing on how well it can be played.

Can kill with half your traits and main hand weapon with no offhand Claims it’s not a skill-less build or a crutch type build. Uh. Ok. Funny guy. You answered yourself here. Thanks for reinforcing my point. Have a nice day.

Well, you significantly misinterpreted that, along with missing the point entirely though. Not a big deal, you just have a drastically different view of how to play the game than I do.

You play the game judging other people based on the builds they play, and then forcing yourself into certain playstyles in order to feel superior.

I play the game to have fun. Having fun has 2 major components for me: Winning and causing people to rage at me, my class, and my build. Therefor, I play the builds that win the most and produce the most raging PMs so that I can sit back and bask in the schadenfreude of a job well done.

Doubt you would beat me. But again, it’s the build that’s cheese. It literally allows bad players to force top tier players into trying when they naturally wouldn’t on a different spec. That’s why this build is aids. It has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with your player skills. It’s a carry. But even with this “carry”, doubt you could beat me.

KsmxRaika.5489:

You’re completely missing the point of this topic…

Elite skills feeling like Elite skills. Ele’s aren’t elite skills because we already have a skill like it that isn’t one… FS isn’t an elite skill because it got nerfed and now it’s no greater than the other summonable weapons. And Tornado is an Elite skill, it’s just that it’s suicide to use that.

The point is going over your head. It isn’t saying they aren’t useful, it’s saying that the one’s we have don’t feel as such.

Again, it’s about knowing how to use it. It certainly feels like an elite to me. It changes outcomes for me. Sorry you still haven’t figured it out. Sounds like a l2p issue to me.

Fay.2357:

Lettuce.2945:

Dhampyr.2104:

Lettuce.2945:

Yes there is a point. It’s a tutorial video. But the creator does not do what he is “teaching us to do”. So that is quite funny itself. Get it? Ok. Cool. Glad I helped you understand that simple notion.

You’re still adding nothing to the discussion, not that I’m particularly surprised. Yawn. Trolls are so boring and predictable.

Regarding the OP – what sigils are folks finding best? I’ve tried tormenting, but the single torment stack is a bit lackluster at best. Bursting seems nice, and obviously energy is always a plus for any shatter build. Any others working nicely for folks?

And what exactly is there to contribute? This is such an aids/crutch build for players who need the assist in pvp. It’s self explanatory and it’s as simple as just breathing. It’s really amusing to watch you guys discuss the build when the build itself, is what carries the player. Almost as bad as turret engis. Even more funnier to beat them when they try to get carried by the build.

Alternatively…what? Try to brute force your way through matches using a worse build so you can feel better about yourself? I can kill people with no offhand and half my traits, does that mean that using a full build is skill less and noob?

No, of course not. Using anything but the most effective build in any situation is a mistake or a conscientious choice for some reason that isn’t maximum effectiveness. The more a build works for you the larger the head-start is before you start comparing skill to skill. A highly effective build amplifies the effect of a skilled player, allowing them to play tremendously strong where an ineffective build has the opposite effect of dampening the way skill shows through.

This build is effective. Play it with skill and it becomes even more so. PU condie is a similar case. Just because the op appears to be semi-incompetent with the build has absolutely no bearing on how well it can be played.

Can kill with half your traits and main hand weapon with no offhand Claims it’s not a skill-less build or a crutch type build. Uh. Ok. Funny guy. You answered yourself here. Thanks for reinforcing my point. Have a nice day.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

You are absolutely right. I fail to see the fire elemental as a game changer.

I can see the moa morph and the crate as elite that are game changer, but never the glyph of elementals. And I’ve main an ele since day 1. People usually more or less ignore my elementals in my duels as oppose to say, a thief guild that truly put pressure. It is better than it was, but it is no more a game changer than any other of my skills. And, yes, I did push the elemental skill button every flipping time coupled with my other attacks. All of them. It can do superb damage if it all hit at once, but it is true of my other options too… why is that skill elite again?

The tornado has potential… but sadly it is a suicide to use it 95% of the time. As for the FGS, how is it anymore a game changer than me icing you with skill 5 on the ice bow before using it’s AoE? The ice bow is plain better in many more relevant ways. So, sorry but no, I still disagree.

I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate it to you. It does not matter if you mained ele since day one. The fire elite was boosted in the recent change to the instant cast. And the damage went up (which wasn’t mentioned in the patch notes for some reason). You can actually control the burst now to sync with your own burst. But you fail to realize that potential. It’s on you and on you alone. If you can’t even see why it’s a game changer, then maybe Ele isn’t the right profession for you.

Dhampyr.2104:

Lettuce.2945:

Yes there is a point. It’s a tutorial video. But the creator does not do what he is “teaching us to do”. So that is quite funny itself. Get it? Ok. Cool. Glad I helped you understand that simple notion.

You’re still adding nothing to the discussion, not that I’m particularly surprised. Yawn. Trolls are so boring and predictable.

Regarding the OP – what sigils are folks finding best? I’ve tried tormenting, but the single torment stack is a bit lackluster at best. Bursting seems nice, and obviously energy is always a plus for any shatter build. Any others working nicely for folks?

And what exactly is there to contribute? This is such an aids/crutch build for players who need the assist in pvp. It’s self explanatory and it’s as simple as just breathing. It’s really amusing to watch you guys discuss the build when the build itself, is what carries the player. Almost as bad as turret engis. Even more funnier to beat them when they try to get carried by the build.

And you fail to understand that I view elites as something that’s a game changer. Like a moa, a supply crate, or such. And if you drop a fire ele in a middle of a fight and combo it with the activation of the skill along with your burst. It literally pressures and turns it around on the opponent. That’s why I said it feels more like an elite now with the recent changes and such. And that’s why I keep insisting that you continue to try it out and see what it’s truly capable of.

0/10. Didn’t read.

Dhampyr.2104:

Lettuce.2945:

Every AA skill does direct damage. But I guess you didn’t know that. It’s just…*whispers* low damage. Which isn’t enough to steal kill from Svanir. A burst spec will 95% of the time get the kill off chieftain or svanir. You, my friend, are not burst.

Pretty sure the OP is looking to add tips on using MtD and opening it up to the community, which I think is a good idea and I’m enjoying the productive discussion in this thread.

I’m not entirely sure what positive discussion you’re bringing to this thread regarding MtD usage. I must be missing something, because your posts seem alot like trolling – and I’m sure you’re not trolling and there’s a point to your posts, right?

Yes there is a point. It’s a tutorial video. But the creator does not do what he is “teaching us to do”. So that is quite funny itself. Get it? Ok. Cool. Glad I helped you understand that simple notion.

messiah.1908:

Lettuce.2945:

The most amusing part of your video is that you are giving instructions on how to properly play it, but, the ironic thing is…You didn’t do anything you said in the instructions lol. Like the staff 2 and blink forward finisher, and you seem really helluva confused on how to stomp a guard properly. And using terrain to hide block attack. I lol’ed so hard at that particular moment. It was clearly pure coincidence. And “I’ll die, but rally off Svanir because I saw thief. And I will steal kill”. Everyone knows that condis can’t steal Svanir kill, so the thief did the work and you just got lucky. You didn’t see the thief.

And you aren’t even using your shatters properly as well. See. This is why I hate condi mesmers and condi thieves. It gives players an illusion that they are half decent. It’s like playing with gameshark.

regarding stomp i learn from my mistakes this is why i do videos
and i do use terrain and i did saw the thief coming or else i would withdraw and
and clearly you dont know condi mesmer as AA do direct dmg (i guess you didnt know)
i guess if you think ppl cant you surely cant. so learn to watch the map while fighting and watch your allies locations
but i glad it make you laugh but pls try to save it to private msg as i try to create open discussion here on mtd

Every AA skill does direct damage. But I guess you didn’t know that. It’s just…*whispers* low damage. Which isn’t enough to steal kill from Svanir. A burst spec will 95% of the time get the kill off chieftain or svanir. You, my friend, are not burst.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

Oh for crying out loud get over yourself. Just stick to what you know instead of spouting junk comments about ppl you know nothing of and compare the skill to the other slot you have and tell me what is “elite” about it? It does less damage than a lot of non-elite skills and the recharge is way higher. FGS is also guilty of this since the frost bow, who has a lower recharge, is more interesting.

Is the skill bad? No. Can you do interesting things with it? Sure, nobody says otherwise. However, that is beside the point. The point is, it is not “elite”. If you let me pick any other non-elite of my choice instead of any of our elite, I will take a regular skill to fill my last slot over an elite skill.

PvE heroes these days.

The most amusing part of your video is that you are giving instructions on how to properly play it, but, the ironic thing is…You didn’t do anything you said in the instructions lol. Like the staff 2 and blink forward finisher, and you seem really helluva confused on how to stomp a guard properly. And using terrain to hide block attack. I lol’ed so hard at that particular moment. It was clearly pure coincidence. And “I’ll die, but rally off Svanir because I saw thief. And I will steal kill”. Everyone knows that condis can’t steal Svanir kill, so the thief did the work and you just got lucky. You didn’t see the thief.

And you aren’t even using your shatters properly as well. See. This is why I hate condi mesmers and condi thieves. It gives players an illusion that they are half decent. It’s like playing with gameshark.

Am I the only one that finds it funny with all the “Ele is OP! Nerf!” threads, that no one has put it on their list of hard counters more than once as the actual hard counter. Ironic.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Yes, I do. Sorry to disappoint.

I really strongly doubt you guys are using that elite properly. You can actually time its burst which hits about 4-5k depending on the target along with your burning speed + LF combo. That’s an easy 9-10k burst right there in an instant. So yeah, I strongly believe you guys have not yet figured this out yet.

So you are, at best, a pve hero that occasionally pvps.

It’s not lag. It’s movement hacking. I’ve seen it occur a lot more recently.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Lettuce.2945:

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

I totally did and it is not OP. In most circumstances your elemental will implode in seconds. Also, the comparison to a supply crate is pretty forced since one of the most interesting aspect of the crate is the stun you get out of it’s deployment coupled with tools of all kinds that help you and impede and damage your foes.

That being said, the glyph is better than it used to be. The problem with our skill #10 is that it is by no stretch of the imagination “elite worthy”. The tornado, outside of extremely rare situations, is a suicide (the water version is, OTOH, actually very decent in the aquatic context since the damage output IS elite worthy).The ice bow actually strikes harder than the Flaming sword for crying out loud and the recharge is far less! When your elite is reduced to a mere movement crutch something is wrong.

You must not pvp.

Pretty sure no one here has even tried to activate the fire elemental elite skill at least once. It’s OP now. It’s almost like a supply crate drop now. Try it again before you QQ. Kk? Kk.

You guys aren’t even thinking clearly. Talking about nerfing cele ele’s sustain. But they are specifically traited and built to be a bunker spec. The only reason, and I repeat, the only reason they are OP is because of the might stacks and the rune set. Just do me a favor and go play a couple games with cleric amulet and rune of the water. You’ll see they do next to no damage whatsoever but have incredible sustain. The bunker aspect of the class is working as intended. The DPS aspect, however, is not. So that’s where the might shave and cele/runeset shave comes into play here and ele would finally be balanced. Forcing players to (if they want more dps) trait differently.

Seriously….Traiting into water (WHICH IS A HEALING/VITALITY LINE), Arcana (WHICH IS A DEFENSIVE LINE), and 2 in earth (WHICH IS A TOUGHNESS/CONDI LINE). It’s all defensive traits, so it makes sense that the ele would be bunkerish. Just like a shout heal warr, or a bunker guard, blah blah.

Nex would be disappointed in you Teef. I think we both know the real culprit here is not the profession itself but rather might stacking and celestial amulets. Because the standard meta ele is meant to be a bunker ele. What’s the purpose of being a bunker? To tank. So that role is successfully filled. But the fact that the “bunker” is able to kill as well is not due to the traits or the profession mechanics…Therefore we need to look at it in a more logical way…What is granting the BUNKER spec a means to kill? Oh right…Stat distribution from celestial amulet AND might stacks. What does might stacks do? Oh right! They give you power AND condi damage! When coupled with strength runes and combo fields, what does it do? OH RIGHT! It gives you insane amounts of might! My god! It makes sense now! But no, nerf ele for being a bunker like they were supposed to be if they spec standard 0/0/2/6/6. sarcasm suggestion btw.

Um. Clearly you are pvping people who barely know how to pvp and probably most likely sticks to karma trains. And you just happened to catch them on their way to the zerg train. This guy is so bad. I saw him being toxic in a hot join room today while experimenting with a new guard I just made. He was talking smack to a bunch of new players. I felt bad for them and challenged him and his friend to 2 v 1 my main. He wussed out. So clearly, OP is a baddie.

Let me know when you want a challenge or just take the easy way stomping newbs.

Lol. Check your wallet. They do give tokens.

Gintokikun.9342:

Thats pretty much the meta build…

Although people say it is easy to use, it is not easy to master.
The possibilities are endless and the attunement change is the most important thing! Water is really really important, therefore choose wisely when to use the skills or change to water because of the CDs. Earth gives you protection. Just play with it.

Before I was playing D/S fresh air, and to be honest although this build does less DPS you survive more therefore making more damage.

You must main a necro.

Marmatt.8590:

Lettuce.2945:

Darox.8069:

oxtred.7658:

“Wow that’s really different”

And it sucks

cya

As much as I agree with you I must say that when I first wrote about the D/F build for PvE many people were like “nah, it sucks dude”, I even had a few rage-posts from the lovely Anierna <3, but look how far my build has come now (all modesty aside) ^^

Yeah, but the OP’s build is, at best, a decent karma train build. His thread title clearly states “meant for all”. It has zero survivability outside of karma trains. So there’s absolutely no chance this build will work especially in 1 v 1 or 1 v X, unless he’s playing against someone who just installed the game…So with that said, I’m fairly confident this build will never be viable outside karma trains even if the best ele NA picked it up and tried out it.

considering is has almost 2.5k toughness with bonus healing, especially with the staff it actually has quite a bit of survivability if you know how to use a staff :p . Plus the fact that is also almost has 2k power and decent crit you can maintain pressure, while using the blast finishers to heal yourself.

It doesn’t matter if you have “almost 2.5k toughness with bonus healing”. You literally have next to no condition cleanse while WvW is a huge condi meta. My ele set up that I use is capable of 1 v Xing. And he’s heavily condi cleansed based. That’s how bad you need the cleanses. So like I said, it’s not an all around build like you suggest it to be.

Darox.8069:

oxtred.7658:

“Wow that’s really different”

And it sucks

cya

As much as I agree with you I must say that when I first wrote about the D/F build for PvE many people were like “nah, it sucks dude”, I even had a few rage-posts from the lovely Anierna <3, but look how far my build has come now (all modesty aside) ^^

Yeah, but the OP’s build is, at best, a decent karma train build. His thread title clearly states “meant for all”. It has zero survivability outside of karma trains. So there’s absolutely no chance this build will work especially in 1 v 1 or 1 v X, unless he’s playing against someone who just installed the game…So with that said, I’m fairly confident this build will never be viable outside karma trains even if the best ele NA picked it up and tried out it.

Didn’t read. Saw traits. Knew troll. No gw2skills.net either.

Valentin.2073:

Lettuce.2945:

So…Wait a minute…You want to nerf the ele profession itself? Even though it didn’t really receive any game changing buffs last balance patch (for the meta build)? And the one before that? Just an evade on burning speed and a revert on cleansing water icd. And all hell breaks loose? Uhhhhh, illogical rage is illogical rage. It’s not only eles with the issue right now. Celestial and might stacking needs another looking at. Not the profession itself. This is only in regards to spvp.

But on a side note, I’ve seen you around the hot join rooms when I’ve been testing different builds. You raged at me for a long time across multiple games and kept dying to me. Then you talked kitten…So I said ok, let’s 1 v 1 then. You rage quit the room. I mean…I think you have anger issues bruh. Typical spirit condi rangers.

Bullcrap. Stop making up stories because i don’t remember raging when i get killed EVER. I may tell my team mates to fight on points but that’s it. Besides, i dont play much pvp now and when i do, i play on my lvl 10 ranger and he is an asura and the name is not even prince valentine. It would take a really long time to kill my ranger because he is not a zerkbow but a bunker. And also, i am on a vacation right now with my family and i didn’t bring my laptop with me. Last time, i played gw2 i was commanding DR and capped the whole eb.

I have partially quit pvp. The reason i posted a topic here on the spvp section because i know this is where the developers are getting ideas on class balance.

Bolded key statement and why he shouldn’t be taken seriously.

And I couldn’t stop laughing at that guy who said an ele hit 10k RTL in spvp. Right. Lol. Just…wow lol. BS much?

Valentin.2073:

Lettuce.2945:

So…Wait a minute…You want to nerf the ele profession itself? Even though it didn’t really receive any game changing buffs last balance patch (for the meta build)? And the one before that? Just an evade on burning speed and a revert on cleansing water icd. And all hell breaks loose? Uhhhhh, illogical rage is illogical rage. It’s not only eles with the issue right now. Celestial and might stacking needs another looking at. Not the profession itself. This is only in regards to spvp.

But on a side note, I’ve seen you around the hot join rooms when I’ve been testing different builds. You raged at me for a long time across multiple games and kept dying to me. Then you talked kitten…So I said ok, let’s 1 v 1 then. You rage quit the room. I mean…I think you have anger issues bruh. Typical spirit condi rangers.

Bullcrap. Stop making up stories because i don’t remember raging when i get killed EVER. I may tell my team mates to fight on points but that’s it. Besides, i dont play much pvp now and when i do, i play on my lvl 10 ranger and he is an asura and the name is not even prince valentine. It would take a really long time to kill my ranger because he is not a zerkbow but a bunker. And also, i am on a vacation right now with my family and i didn’t bring my laptop with me. Last time, i played gw2 i was commanding DR and capped the whole eb.

I have partially quit pvp. The reason i posted a topic here on the spvp section because i know this is where the developers are getting ideas on class balance.

You obviously tuned out what I wrote. Did I ever say you were a bearbow? I believe I even mentioned what kind of ranger you play in my last post. Pay attention. And good job tip toeing around my first paragraph about what they actually changed about the ele profession…And what actually needs to be shaved down. Learn the game before crying nerf.

So…Wait a minute…You want to nerf the ele profession itself? Even though it didn’t really receive any game changing buffs last balance patch (for the meta build)? And the one before that? Just an evade on burning speed and a revert on cleansing water icd. And all hell breaks loose? Uhhhhh, illogical rage is illogical rage. It’s not only eles with the issue right now. Celestial and might stacking needs another looking at. Not the profession itself. This is only in regards to spvp.

But on a side note, I’ve seen you around the hot join rooms when I’ve been testing different builds. You raged at me for a long time across multiple games and kept dying to me. Then you talked kitten…So I said ok, let’s 1 v 1 then. You rage quit the room. I mean…I think you have anger issues bruh. Typical spirit condi rangers.

Oh wow. Sorry to hear. My condolences to you. Take your time mate.

Yeah. When are you transferring? Season’s over. Been winning insane amounts of outnumbered fights since the weapon set swap.

So last night, I decided to try something different with wvw roaming. My roaming group generally consists of mesmers and thieves. So obviously they love their stealths. I end up being the focus of the enemy. Which is no big deal since I can tank for a good deal. But I decided to try swapping out d/d for d/f last night using standard build still. And my survivability and condi applications and cc’s shot through the roof. I was really able to provide support for my roaming group of 4-5 and we had a lot of good fights and winning vs 12-15+’s. We were, surprisingly, able to control the fight despite being outnumbered. Maybe you should consider trying it. I would take FGS as elite though considering the mobility sucks on d/f if you need to escape. I remember chatting with you about the elites we use, and we both use avatar of melandru. But we can afford to replace that since earth focus 5 is an invul on a 40 sec cd.

LightningBlaze.4913:

I’m surprised nobody has asked you “what’s your build” or did I miss that post? I guess at this stage of the game it is obvious to everyone. Queueage got boring quickly mate. Blade and Soul or Skyforge are the only 2 mmorpg so far that can possibly replace gw2 … if they get released in na. Anyways, nice videos Nex but i were you i would show everyone different type of builds, weapon sets and playstyles. Bunker specs are fun but too easy to perform well as an ele. Most of the time it will be one sided. With more high risk builds it requires much more player’ skills to do just as great even on 1v1. I believe that’s what the community see a lot less.

He runs a similar build to mine when he goes bunker and I had a conversation with him about it like a couple weeks back. He has lower over all stats but it still works for him. I run 2.3k power, 24-25k hp with vit stacks, 38% crit rate, 188% crit dmg, 2.5k armor, 688 condi dmg, and 712 healing power. He runs a mixture of gears like me, I just rounded it out more. The stats I mentioned is with food fyi.

Been running both d/d and d/f in wvw. It’s neat. Anyways, season’s almost over. Expect to see you transferring soon Nex. By the way, nice use of dodging backwards behind enemy’s attack range. It puts their skills on cd. Most players don’t realize this. Nice one mate. And how’s your thumb pad so far? :P

Chesire.9043:

Fuzzion.2504:

They will make you a build that beats anything out there for a price(when i mean price i mean 200 to 500 gold)

Holy crap.

I wasn’t even aware that was a thing. I’m not sure that would even be an option for me but that’s something I wasn’t aware of. O_o

Lol. I wasn’t aware of this as well. But if this is indeed true, that’s pathetic. The secret to making builds is to understand every single profession and how they work. For example, are you fighting a medi guard with a GS and sword/focus or hammer/focus? Or are you fighting a bunker guard? Etc… Are you fighting a boon strip thief, mesmer, or necro? Or condi thief, mesmer, necro? Are you fighting a mesmer that does dps when he shatters or applies conditions on you when you destroy his clones? Are you fighting a mesmer that constantly dazes you (lockdown mesmer)? Just some examples to think about and how you could think about countering them.

And understanding which condition is worth cleansing and which is just worth sitting on until it runs out.