Hey guys, since I’m seeing this topic pop up a lot, I wanted to step in and clear up some misconceptions.
1. Nearly every player that voted, plays WvW at least somewhat regularly.
2. Whether they play 1 hour a week, or dozens of hours a week, the breakdown between people who voted ‘Yes’ or ‘No’ remains very constant around the 65/35 split.
3. The in-game poll notification mail is only sent to players who are actively playing WvW. They must be at least rank 10, and have ranked up while the poll was running.
i never got an ingame mail
Me either.
pretty sure you don’t if you have already voted. the only mail i’ve ever got was when I hadn’t already voted.
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bg vs tc/db vs yb/jq ‘might’ be interesting…
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Sort of like The Prophecies with a Eulogy on it?
The Flameseeker Prophecies – shield
The Flameseeker Eulogy Tomestone – back piece
The Moot – mace
Who’s ready to deliver a beatdown?
have 2 of 3 …….
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this could go reward track route as a possibility
Backpiece Reward Track 1 rewards a rare BP and unlocks BPRT2.
BPRT2 rewards an exotic BP and unlocks BPRT3.
BPRT3 rewards an ascended BP and unlocks BPRT4.
BPRT4 rewards legendary skin and unlocks BPRT5.
BPRT5 rewards legendary stats BP and unlocks BPRT6.
BPRT6 and more could unlock additional skins.
the number of tracks required would try to mirror, time wise, how long it takes to get the pvp / fractal versions….
the basic idea is they could use their existing systems (reward track) to do this, but thought must be given to how many tracks are required to do it….
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2) Get out of there and find a new home with fewer toxic people running the show. In fact, anyone with good intentions and a decent moral compass could find a home on a smaller server. There are several that would welcome some folks that just looking for fights and fun.
Leave the insane, and all too serious politics to the toxic megalomaniacs and usurpers. They deserve each other and should be left to stew in their own toxic mess.
I like your post as a whole.
However, this is exactly what the higher ups of the existing “FSP community leadership” want. For everyone who does not get in line to leave the server so they can create it into their own Utopia with their own Dictators in place.
So no, I shall not leave.
create your own ts and forums so the self proclaimed rulers rule nothing.
edit: I see you have gone this route….
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A bounty system would help change the focus of players to target the larger servers too. Something that reward extra loot, reward track potions, rares, for targeting the winning server or taking hard objectives.
hmm this is an interesting idea that could work. Certainly worth pursuing I think.
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Mag should be bumped into Tier 1 to play against TC and BG. I don’t understand how those WvW veterans found it fun to stack onto a T3 server to just stomp lesser opponent week after week.
Mag would get so overrun by BG and TC. I hear what you are saying, though.
We on maguuma would love that type of match up m8. Don’t care about ppt just want the non stop action.
you do realize “fights” are map que vs map que where skills don’t even go off at times right?
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Clearly Lil Dev knows is so in tune with what the mass majority of people want he/she should create and sell his/her own game.
Or
only bothers to talk with his/her like minded friends and overstates everything …. Not going to bother with this anymore…..
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So basically
The people who disagree with you are going to massive efforts to buy votes, and use extra accounts to make extra votes to make themselves seem bigger
And the people who agree with you are tired and apathetic and couldn’t be bothered expending the effort to vote in the poll.
…Huh?
For more “…Huh?” effect, just wonder whether this whole topic and conversation would happen should the results be inverted.
that is possible of course, but I believe the root of the discussion is based on the fact the “delete dbl crowd” is no where near the # of people some thought. some of them are now looking for excuses / reasons for the vote instead of admitting there just wasn’t that overwhelming majority as they thought…
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Tyler did announce of possibly locking the servers for the first half and killing more guilds and servers and making people not wanting to play anymore.
to clarify the first half (so 1 month) after a re-link. I remember seeing this as well, but don’t know if those were random thoughts or was actually going to be implemented. I don’t see the harm in opening servers after a link – let the stackers pay anet every 2 months….
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Joneirikb “Tier 1 right now should be BG1 vs BG2 vs TC or something”
more like bg vs tc + db vs yb + jq – that “might” be close…..
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just lol @ vote buying reasoning and ballot box stuffing…..
the reason the poll went the way it did was the # of dbl boycotters/haters was simply just not as many as some people thought…
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@floude – you do know that the most likely scenario is 1 dbl and 2 abl right? You wont ever have to step into them…. For others who prefer them, they have that option.
Either way, the people have spoken and it isn’t going away…
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DBL would be fine if they finished it by adding gliding.
it sure does seem they had gliding in mind when designing it….. gliding with no fly zones around any objective would be fine with me (like they have around the JPs) ….
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I would rather have 1 DBL, 1 ABL and 1 new borderlands
this would indeed be the ultimate goal, but I think it is a way off. I am ok with 1 dbl 2 abl – and I prefer the dbl myself….
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Desert Borderlands to stay.Those that saying that Desert Borderlands killed WvW are lazy people that did not want to learn new mechanics or want changes at all.
Once again, where were you all when DBL was active?
I spent countless hours in south map waiting for groups to fight but it was DEAD except for people doing their dailies or guild missions.
Apparently, the vast majority want to play in this map again. I’m ok with that. I mean, I don’t care about map mechanics, I just want fights, and the most recent version of DBL was great for fights. But once again, if the “majority” doesn’t show and just queue EB, get ready to see a kitten ton of complains on these forums by the “vocal minority”.
this activity seems to be based on what tier you were on. BG and YB guild groups often went to DBL to avoid the map que cancer blobs of EBG. JQ, not so much. The mega blobs can be fun some of the time, but any fight where skills don’t work (which was often the case around SM) is hardly a fight…
The fights really were better on the BL than on EBG. Please note: I am not saying the same thing wouldn’t have happened on the ABL, just saying t1 na prime the DBL were far from a barren wasteland of ktrains, guild missions, and dailies….
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People voting for DBL better show their kittening butts and not queue EB when Anet will switch to these BLs .
101% agreed. I hate it when people wax all poetic about something and it turns out they play on it once a month.
I am willing to make that sacrifice if it means other people are around to share the misery experience.
I mean for what it’s worth, people said they would come back to Alpine, and they did come back to Alpine.
This is the main problem with that argument. Stability changes, reward tracks, linking etc.. all occurred about the same time. How can one say ABL brought people back when other changes were also in play at the same time? For sure SOME came back primarily due to ABL, but we just don’t know how many. I also use the same argument with DBL killing WVW. There were so many HOT changes all at the same time it is hard to say DBL killed WVW versus pve for elites GHs tactivators etc…
What is apparent is that those that absolutely hate the DBLS have no where near the people that agree with them as they thought they did…..
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Why argue over something anet has said they cannot (or will not) do multiple times? This horse is dead…..
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Have you ever thougth about buying the legendary on the tp?
This has always been an option.
not for the new ones……
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how to win summarized in six words:
Transfer to linked partner of BG.
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The takeaway from all this is that the terms and conditions of the polls need to be stated clearly and unequivocally at the time the poll is set. For all the arguing here over logic and math and statistics the plain fact is that the poll ran with no specified framework given for how the result would be interpreted or implemented.
I think it is entirely reasonable for ANet to run polls in order to gauge interest and feeling on a particular topic and then use the information gained as part of their internal decision-making process, which is what appears to have happened here. What isn’t reasonable is to run a series of polls, some of which have “hard” results that are implemented even against the preference of the people responsible for drafting them and others which have “soft” results that can be finessed, without making it very clear which is which.
I voted for one month. I’d have voted for one week if it had been an option. That said, I don’t think bimonthly is a bad compromise. I do think the polls need to be much more coherently drafted and explained in future, though. And we are certainly having too many, too close together and on some decisions that are too low-level to merit a referendum.
Personally I don’t believe WvW can be “fixed” in its current form no matter how many polls we have. It would probably be better to scrap the entire game mode and start afresh.
Couldn’t have said that any better. Be clear up front and all would have been fine…..
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sigils and runes is quite a good news and much appreciated. But HoT recipes does not help the WvW players much. For example, in order to craft Pahua ascended armors you need a trailblazer ascended insigna. To make that you need fulgurite which requires 3 types of mats that drop only in 3 of the HoT maps. Bottle of Airship Oil, Pile of Auric Dust and Ley Line Spark (and ALOT of them). While you farm for those you get enough separate mats (example: Ley line crystals for pahua stats one) that will allow you to buy the recipe. In the end WvW players will still need to farm the hell out of those maps to craft.
Do a mystic forge stat swap for a fraction of the effort. I have changed Ahamid kit into Ruka kit (Wanderer’s) this way, it means sticking old gear, Anthology of Heroes, some ectos and a Wanderer’s insignia (exo) into the MF.
If you would have had to create an insignia anyhow on the journey to Ascended kit of the relevant HoT variety, I’d skip the fulgurite related steps and just chuck it into the MF along with an anthology, ecto, and a cheaper 3 stat piece of gear that you got from a chest or crafted previously.
WOW i didn’t even know you could do that. TY so very much, you just saved me alot of work.
you will lose sigil / rune if transforming an old set you are using, but yea crafting and converting is usually the cheapest.
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Didn’t sound like they really wanted to do what received the most votes of any choice, but massaged the facts to justify a compromise. Since my thoughts were 4-6 weeks, not too bad…
I just wonder what happens when there is a close vote on DBL. Will there be the same fact massaging / compromising – that one could get UGLY from either side…
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Doubt it is averaged at all – you see the choices 1,2,3,4, and 6 months…..
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Honestly if you’re not having fun go do something else (including outside GW2) for a while until the itch to WvW pops up.
this is what I do myself.
Though an incentive to keeping playing against enormous odds (definition up for discussion) could be higher % chance of ascended drops (how much up for discussion)…. This could keep people playing in blow-outs and promote de-stacking at the same time…..
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In the next release, a 6th pip is being added to the provision master ability line that allows you to buy HoT recipes, sigils, and runes from the heroics notary vendor.
Nice addition – thanks for the info. I really didn’t mind doing things in HOT pve, but AB over and over and over for the runes for multiple sets did get old…..
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@Yanniell – what Sarika said. I thought those vocal 1/2 dozen chest thumpers were nimrods too. I personally went PVE or to other games when T2 got ridiculous….
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Needs a weekly option as a poll choice, which was mentioned multiple times by players in the thread about the order of the polls. Transfers should also be free. (Still limited to weekly) This allows players to play with who they want, which is the primary factor in being able to switch at all. Spies are not an argument against this. You can make a free account on all but two servers right now anyway. Come up with more cosmetic gem store ideas for the WvW player base to make up for lost transfer gem money.
The more time they tie up for relinking every month, the longer the development of the other features will take. I agree free transfers for links but not host servers.
so BGs new link is stacked in minutes every re-link? Edit: though with no link to full servers – might work.
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@OP – forget about seasons. Anet saw how bad they were for overall wvw pop and not returning any time soon if at all. Their words not mine….
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I’m in YBBL. I was really hoping to drop to T2 this week. There’s no balance in sight. I won’t partake.
Please fix.
The problem is that tier 1 servers need full coverage – so whoever replaces YB will get owned also.
- JQ has no NA so we will get owned. We dominate SEA.
- FA and Mag have barely any SEA and huddle up in the corner when JQ SEA wakes up.
- DB have mediocre SEA and I have no idea about their NA.
So all the servers have huge coverage gaps and belong in T2.
If JQ gets more (good) NA guilds and can hold NA then JQ should go up.
I’m actually having fun being in T2 so don’t really care if JQ makes it back up a tier.
I imagine BG SEA is getting bored with no one good to fight
FTFY
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the linking should have occurred weeks after the other patch changes. many came back for the patch. many moved around prior to the patch.
any link made as early as they were made was bound to be bad because it was based on “old” data not “current” data.
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They won’t make a new BL for a long time if they scrap dbl.
I’m with you on this. They have a budget. Can you imagine trying to sell a new map to the moneymen, if all the $$ on the previous map were as good as flushed down the toilet? They will opt to work on something else (and I wouldn’t blame them)
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I’d love to know how many people will end up transferring from servers like Kaineng, Anvil Rock, and Eredon Terrace to their partnered servers Yak’s Bend, Blackgate, and Tarnished Coast.
I shouldn’t really be surprised if it’s an astronomical figure.
2 of the 3 (BG/TC) are full. I hear BG may open up when GW3 goes beta……
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T4 on a typical day from NSP/SF perspective. Not reset-people have rl & can’t always be online. These were taken about 10:30 pm est. “A picture says a thousand words”. Will I keep logging in & trying? Yep! I have a stubborn streak xD I love the link with SF, but some links need to be revisited IMHO. No disrespect to anyone BTW
Hehe
I’m not on your server / link, but I am right up tehre with you. We have the outmanned buff roughly 60-70 % of teh time when I play, this includes NA prime time on weekends.
Situation is far better then it was, but still needs improvement. I do believe the scoring patch / changes need to go in to live servers soon, so that this will be somewhat reflected in the total score. Not overwhelmingly, but just enough to make a difference in case of a close match.
As far as YB goes, zero sympathy. Not too long ago you did exactly what is being done to you x 100. EVERYONE knew you were just artificially being carried by that alliance etc. A few pages back on these forums all the comments from YB people touting how great they really are, and how much they really don’t need and don’t want the alliance to remain in T1 are still there for anyone interested to look up.
Welcome to reality YB, and karma is a kitten.
and some of us thought was boring as well – just as BG is bored now….. I barely played when T1 came down to us… I know I am not the only one….
“All” the YB people were probably the same 5 nincompoops spamming the same message over and over…..
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" A whole month is a really long time to go getting stomped or stomping. Without that kind of information aside from a general “loss of fairness” as a con (which is huge), I’m not sure if people can vote intelligently."
That is a lot better than 3 months of the same…. I voted monthly, but every other month isn’t too bad….
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I always thought the motive was to simply avoid dissolving servers……
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A few things need to happen for linking to work.
1. BG should not be linked.
2. All the larger servers should not necessarily be marked full. But the smaller server that is linked to a larger server that is full should also be marked full.
3. The links need to change more often than every 3 months. I think 4-5 weeks would be good.
- Any longer and you’ll get stagnant bad matchups (T1 and T4) and threads like this.
4. Anet needs to take time zone coverage into account – even before total population.
5. The smaller server’s name should be somewhere. Put it on the BL map: i.e. “Stormbluff Isle – Crystal Desert Borderland”. Put it in the name tag – abbreviate it if its too long; every server has an abbreviation that is generally agreed upon. Just put it somewhere.
well said. unless all of these things occur, linking is simply fail sauce. For what it is now, a complete blow-up or merging would have been better.. Heck, even waiting a few weeks after the patch went live before linking might have helped some as pops were drastically changing with that patch….
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Oh man since you brought GW1 into the mix…
Shing Jea Island.
The Monastery as the home Keep.
That would be so awesome. I’d spend all my time there. And play the Factions music when in the Citadel.
The rest of Cantha – especially the ugly City on Stilts were horrid after experiencing this gem. Sort of like Ascalon pre / post-searing….. Shin Jea was my favorite zone…
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When you are in a match that is over before it started, you can either go do something else or look for “little victories” that can be quite fun. Blue borderland Bay on reset had a blast. TC to the left – BG to the right. Last team standing after who knows how long was YB.
Did that stand “win” anything? No – it probably flipped 10 minutes after it got upgraded as we logged out. Was it fun? Yes – It was fun, win or lose, because of how long it lasted and how many pushes we survived.
TBH, “BG” ing T2 last year was way less fun. I hardly played then myself. That said, come on DB you can do it.
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I haven’t personally liked the final result of any poll yet, but I think the methodology of informing active players is pretty good.
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To be fair there were a lot of other factors that turned people away from wvw aside from the dbl, guild hall/upgrade grind for example, grinding pve for elite specs and other stuff, unbalanced gimmicks like banners, fog, airship etc.
and a lot of other things beside abl that brought them back like stability. You may as well let LilDev keep ranting – cant be reasoned with on this subject.
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not to mention stab change….. pirate ship got really old….
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That was what != meant. A no vote does not mean no dbl at all which I am sure some who voted No think it does.
My bad I was reading your NO combined with the ! as emphasis on the NO bit versus != as in <>, NE or not equal.
yep – developer so used to != as “not equal”. my fault for code speak
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what xtd said – NO != no DBL….
IMHO, this poll was worded much better than previous polls. The results pie chart doesn’t differentiate the 2 yes votes however….
A NO vote actually means you will have 3 months of DBL when it comes around where as the YES vote means ABL and DBL are up with differing mixes of how many of each.
The base poll remains, all of one type of borderland with a rotation or both types are always up, hence why there are two YES options.
That was what != meant. A no vote does not mean no dbl at all which I am sure some who voted No think it does.
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@sky – thanks. I wondered about CD, thought all 12 hosts were full after linking, and just didn’t know about the high servers.
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I doubt BP or ET have gained much.
ET has.
Not really. They still medium population. You can even make a assumption that ET was really dead before all this and even with the transfers, it couldn’t push ET to high pop even when the pop cap was halfed, which make high pop half the requirement as well.
have any of the server statuses changed since linking? I didn’t note them – so I don’t know myself whether to trust those statuses or not….. ie…. were they frozen in time
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what xtd said – NO != no DBL….
IMHO, this poll was worded much better than previous polls. The results pie chart doesn’t differentiate the 2 yes votes however….
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@xtr – interesting take preferring guest over host. Some of what you say makes pretty darn good sense. Ill be interested on how you and others that made similar moves feel after re-linking as well.
I’ve transferred so many times because of servers dying down, turning in to bandwagons or the fights just getting boring. Something like 16+ times I’ve transferred to a bunch of servers between my 2 accounts, some servers I’ve been on more than once or twice even haha. I’ve honestly lost count, but I know it was at least 16 times lol..
For me, being on a “guest server” means I may experience different communities and that ANet will automatically balance my server with another server (or maybe the same one) every quarter, which essentially SAVES me money from having to transfer again to be in a more balanced place once more.
totally the opposite for me. same server since head start. when the matches get bad, I play an alt (which has moved 6 times or so), work on pve check-list, or go play another game (usually rift). Eventually the blowouts (both ways) go away…
Just wondering…. Would you actually prefer a large scale pvp (10-15-20-25) with the proper ladders etc? I wonder if that is the real answer in the end for many.
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@xtr – interesting take preferring guest over host. Some of what you say makes pretty darn good sense. Ill be interested on how you and others that made similar moves feel after re-linking as well.
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well we don’t know how they will re-link. last time was simply 1+24 / 2+23 based on glicko. glicko is no longer tracked on the guests so it will have to be something different. You are probably right with pop. Indeed the hosts somewhere in the middle have a more likely chance of retaining their current links or at least linking with servers with similar pops.
if you had the choice of moving to FA or a host, would you have gone that route? It would seem a better way going into the future is to have some of the hosts open.
Either way, glad it worked for your group.
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