Guild Wars 2

Columba.9730:

Rayya.2591:

Aveneo.2068:

Rayya.2591:

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Maybe I should also start bringing my Guardian to WvW as well, as I’m getting sick and tired of my Ranger getting killed all the time by a perma-invis Thief. It’s almost as if I’m a Thief-magnet when playing a Ranger.

Well , the ranger is free kill for thief, on the other hand guardians and warriors got 90% chance to win 1 vs 1 and 50% chance to escape vs 2 thieves

Proof please? Why do thieves claim that they can handle warriors just fine?

This is my typical rotation as a p/d thief for a warrior , which 8 out if 10 are always a gs warrior so it makes it even easier for me to pwn, bas venom CnD mug, sneak shot, dancing dagger and whirling axe and they’re down while I just started using whirling axe and my whirling axe finish them while they’re in downed state. So I think I can claim I can handle a warrior just fine

in Tekken, you can play 1 character, in Tekken Tag you can play 2, different games stop comparing gw1 with gw2

If you want to just level up, I suggest getting a shortbow and zerging in wvwvw otherwise death blossom works for lvling in pve also

Should be fun if they don’t have 30 people taking shifts spawn camping ebay for 5 days straight…. Literally

nice intro, although I felt like I was gonna have a seizure watching it though, it was a nice vid, and youre gonna hear it, people are gonna complain and say look that that target with the green arrow blah blah blah, even though this was about ur editing

well, if your associate it with boxing lets say, the invisible boxer is pacquiao, and the opponent is young Tyson, that charges at you, with a greatsword

MindlessRuff.1948:

The Hide in Shadows is a better heal for the P/D thief. What if you fight a competent opponent who knows how to avoid your C/Ds? Trust me I have played P/D plenty in sPvP so when I see enemy thieves doing P/D builds on my thief or an alt, it is quite easy to counter and when you do that they have no real source of damage. HiS gives you a reliable way to get off sneak attacks when low on ini as well.

I like how u make it sound like you gotta depend on HiS and its cooldown to use sneak attack and CnD is completely useless

The reason why I’m liking crit on p/d now is because when you compare “rotation” a p/d does, the raw dmg just does more than, even on high toughness targets, and you still get the same amount of bleed stacks that do half the damage when you go for the condition damage.

I’m pretty sure this thread was started because of the build I posted up. I want to just say that the way your looking at sneak attack on this build is wrong, you don’t depend on just sneak attack for damage, its a combination of auto’s cnd and sneak attack. Looking at just sneak attacks damage alone is like me saying the auto attacks on the regular condition P/Ds alone is really weak.

Cempa.5619:

What happens if you go up against this guy, who wins if neither of you decides to run:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F8FcUCoyBQ

I have faced other p/d thieves, and pretty much I just tear em apart. The other thief stacks a lot of bleeds, but their pistol dmg is still weak, so I can always go to stealth to remove the conditions and out heal their low damage. And meanwhile I’m doing heavy damage on them where they can’t even outheal it.

ZLE.8293:

I still recommend,that you change to Executioner.20% damage bonus if the target is <50% is a lot.Also many people tend to panic as their health goes down.They lose focus and start to make mistakes,and exactly at this time you will make noticeably more damage to benefit from those mistakes.Win!

yea, after finding that out, I just might switch to that

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I’ve never actually paid attention to be 100% sure, but im pretty sure the entire sneak attack counts as 1 hit even though it does multiple shots, and just from playing it for a while, I don’t think ive seen it not crit on all the hits but ill hit the golems in spvp to see

yea ok, its just the first hit that was disappointing, but it doesn’t mean its still not a quick burst of damage

I’ve never actually paid attention to be 100% sure, but im pretty sure the entire sneak attack counts as 1 hit even though it does multiple shots, and just from playing it for a while, I don’t think ive seen it not crit on all the hits but ill hit the golems in spvp to see

ZLE.8293:

Why you use Hidden Killer,since only the first from 5 Sneak Attack shots would crit?It’s not worth it.Try Executioner trait instead.

cause sneak attack is only 5 shots right? unless I mistaken, but all the hits from sneak attacks crit, maybe you have it confused with unload with is a P/P build? but I like having the crits which gives me the heal if I need it, and unlike a backstab build where you want to burst them down asap, you can get away with a constant flow of dps with this weapon set

Lemme just start off by saying, im pretty sure imam get bashed on by people already saying pistol is garbage, and imma just say………… “….ok”

I’ve been running a High Crit P/D build in WvWvW that doesn’t depend on bleed stacks and I’ve been having a lot of fun and success with it thought I share it and see if people like it.

10 Deadly Arts -III Mug
30 Critical strikes – V Pistol Mastery, VII Ankle Shots, XII Hidden killer
30 shadow Arts – IV shadows Embrace,VI Cloaked in Shadow, XI shadows Rejuvenation

Signet Of Malice, Roll For Initiative, Blinding Powder, Signet Of Shadow, Basilisk Venom

and Omnomberry ghost Really helps for this build

For Gears, I currently run with all berserker with rubies, I have not tried other stuff yet for more vit and toughness due to lack of gold, but running all berserker with rubies I still feel pretty comfortable and not as glass cannony because of the pistols range,stealth and healing.

pretty much with this build its similar to your regular p/d playstyle, but you don’t have to rely on sneak attack to stack bleeds, cause youll be doing a lot of crit dmg with your pistol. but still using CnD and sneak attack will give you a good quick burst of damage especially if you steal for that mug damage also.

I usually don’t use signet of malice, but with this build the healing gets complimented with omnomberry ghost food, for all the crits also and with hidden killer always critting your sneak attacks which is 5 different crits, you get the healing off those crits, and shadow rejuvenation for even more healing while stealthed.

for utilities, I guess you can swap them up, those are just my personal choices because I like the blinding I can get from it.

offhand weapon, I chose bow cause its always fun doing high damage with the bow

and that’s pretty much it, hope some of you guys like this and like I mentioned before about how I know imma get bashed on for a lot of people thats gonna say, pistols are just garbage, once again imma just say …………. “…………….. O.K”

P/D is effective as a condition build, I’ve played it for a while, but I thought I do something different and to my surprise, going High precision/crit dmg is very effective too, if anything, before whenever I run into another p/d it was pretty much pointless pretty much a draw, but now it’s cake whenever I run into another p/d because I out damage them while having the same health regen and condition removal, and u still have Some >.> condition damage, only like half of, it still helps considering that im still stacking the same amount of bleed stacks for a nice but if dmg to top off my crit dmg

Kaizer.7135:

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My 10/30/30/0/0 berserker p/d makes any p/p cry

Berserker p/d? What do you use for damage?

well, if you played p/d before you already know the answer, sneak attack and autos, but when you have berserker gear, and ruby orbs, (I currently only have blues mostly and a couple greens) on other lvl 80s in wvw im auto attacking them for 700-1k and sneak attacks for 2500-3500, I don’t do tpvp, but in spvp hot joins, im usually doing 500-700 and 2-3k sneaks and CnDs are usually 2k.just think about how easy already it is to land a cnd sneak and autoattacking that much from range with all the stealth to help you evade

My 10/30/30/0/0 berserker p/d makes any p/p cry

ZLE.8293:

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I’m not saying I know it better, but I can say I’ve pretty much played on a p/d thief so I’m pretty familiar with stealthing, and watching people use aoes while I’m stealthed, soooo ……….

Sooooo since you are P/D Thief do you have Power of Inertia or you have the new-OP-trait-Fleet Shadow?

Edit:Just to clarify:I don’t have it either,neither i use Shadowstep as a stunbreaker,neither i use Shortbow(that’s the Ususal Suspects for the thief hyper-mobility).I don’t defend my playstyle here.Actually i feel safer close to the enemy,where i can C&D.
But the whining for the sake of the whining annoys me,that’s why i argue with you.

I’m not trying to argue, my op was pretty much just saying how aoe sucks against stealth

ZLE.8293:

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Tulisin.6945:

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You always hear people say a counter to stealth is aoe

Those people are, and have always been, wrong. AE isn’t a good counter to stealth, and people only say it because they’ve heard others say it, not because they’ve actually implemented the idea and found it effective.

At best, AE is a better counter to stealth than standing around doing nothing, which is what a lot of people do when confronted with it.

That’s why I said " you always hear" but shhhhh let them learn the hard way so I can keep on being “OP”

How about ANet themselves claim that AOE is good counter to Stealth.Or maybe you know it better than them?

I’m not saying I know it better, but I can say I’ve pretty much played on a p/d thief so I’m pretty familiar with stealthing, and watching people use aoes while I’m stealthed, soooo ……….

If you look at the key bindings in the menu there’s options for target nearest player, next player, and previous player. Tab default is next target, which seems to be random most of the time, but I suggest setting a button for nearest target

Tulisin.6945:

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You always hear people say a counter to stealth is aoe

Those people are, and have always been, wrong. AE isn’t a good counter to stealth, and people only say it because they’ve heard others say it, not because they’ve actually implemented the idea and found it effective.

At best, AE is a better counter to stealth than standing around doing nothing, which is what a lot of people do when confronted with it.

That’s why I said " you always hear" but shhhhh let them learn the hard way so I can keep on being “OP”

You always hear people say a counter to stealth is aoe, and when I stealth people always aoe a million miles away and I think to myself “wtf I’m nowhere near that” now with this, I might be running into it since I’m moving that much faster, that’s the only thing I can think of

I run zerker P/D with pistol mastery traited, so I’m happy

NaturalPortman.9562:

Arheundel.6451:

NaturalPortman.9562:

NarcoticHaze.3497:

I play a thief. Our ability to stealth in combat is absurdly overpowered.

Just bring an ele, the ele will just kill the thief while he’s in stealth

I didn’t know eles got skills to see through stealth, nice to know, maybe you’re talking about the ele greatsword or maybe you’re talking about random aoe spamm which can be used by every profession…hmm great find nevertheless

Eles have incredible aoe damage.

Dd eles also move around with their skills and aoes like a pin ball inside the pinball machine which is just as annoying as a thief stealthing

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

I like the culling patch. You guys aren’t thieves and mesmers are you by any chance?

I feel like a lion running inside a gazelle herd taking bites out of all of them without them noticing on my thief lol

I don’t do jumpin puzzles but whenever I hear about I feel that people might as well say , our group is gonna take over this camp anyways, so how bout lets not fight and u guys step out of the circle so we can capture it in a friendly way

I can see it now, all the threads about “portals ruining the game” are gonna be " portals need to be buffed somehow"

Like how some people said, why should I let u get blueprints to kill me with later? Go to pve farm some gold and buy a blueprint then

Lol what a coincidence , I’m usually not in spvp but today I went in there and was like let’s make a full zerker p/d thief just because I’ve never seen anyone do one before, so I went 10/30/30/0/0 and I was like wtf how come nobody does this, I wasn’t getting numbers like your unload but I was getting 2-3k sneak attacks with all the stealth features from my off hand dagger. Then I come here and see this thread

Lockon.5312:

There’s a quote that I live by when it comes to gaming.

" There is no such thing as spammable if no one is vulnerable to it. "

The first thing I thought about when I read this was
" it doesn’t matter if you by an inch or a mile, winning is winning "
- Vin Diesel

I loled almost got a write up at work for loling

Yea this post is old before I was 80 and wasn’t aware of the different types of gear. the build I have on there was kind of messed up cause I was messing with the build creator and didn’t look at it a second time before I posted it, maybe should’ve have done that first lol

oZii.2864:

Krathalos.3461:

I don’t think anyone’s complaining that a thief is spawn camping them.

i don’t think you read it.

I don’t think you wrote what you meant to say then

So if a thief should be the fastest at catching, how come they can’t use that same speed to run away? And have you ever chased a warrior leaping away with a sword and switching to a gs to rush and spin away just to switch back to sword and leaping away again? Now that is rediculous ontop of them using their signet for swiftness

IMO you already lost to the other person and are in down state, which I feel like it shouldn’t be a second life, and that person then have to use more cooldowns to make you die…. Again…. What’s the problem, don’t get downed to start of with

That’s why I prefer not to stomp right away in those situations spvp, I usually save my steal cause when the other guy is rezzing I start putting heat on him instead and bait them away and I go for a CnD steal back on the down player for a stealthed stomp.

One time I alt f4’ed someone before I stomped them , reloaded my client waited in queue went back to the person still downed and then stomped him before they could alt f4 leaving them confused crying wtf I was suppose to alt f4 True story

Grim.3418:

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How bout a wvwvw size capture the flag mode, where you can have multiple small flags and something huge that requires like 30 people to carry slowly, then it’ll be like a gw2 version of fat princess

That might be better suited for something like SPvP

But I wanna see 100 asurans carry a giant risen chicken that’s 3000x their size while being shot at with an arrow cart

How bout a wvwvw size capture the flag mode, where you can have multiple small flags and something huge that requires like 30 people to carry slowly, then it’ll be like a gw2 version of fat princess

Geiir.7603:

Did you fight Slic (Wild Bill)? He is probably one of the best P/D thieves out there.

Anyways, this sounds like a issue caused by the culling bug… If you could only see him for 1-2 seconds then it’s the culling. I have done something similar, trolling smaller groups in WvW. It’s pretty easy, but I have a hard time finishing people off as they can easily resurrect each other before I can make the killing blow. A thief doing this is most of the time just using all his utility skills and doing it for one single purpose – trolling the kitten out of people

That’s why I run with signet of malice and daggerstorm, when they group up to start rezzing, they just sit there eatting up dmg from ur ds and usually u can finish off the person in downstate like that

I agree with what dank said about dodging. A lot of people dodge right away when a p/d go stealth, I think it’s habit from fighting backstab thieves, but a good p/d usually waits for a good time before he uses sneak attack it also gives them time to regen initiative and heal. And about staying with the group, I agree halfway. From my experience when someone starts running away and I chase to try and down them, that’s a bad move if the group is fairly large, cause ill have my back to everyone else and start eatting damage pretty hard.

Aside from that, have you tried playing a p/d thief before, if not try it sometimes, you’ll have a better feel for how a thief moves when using stealth. I gotta say most of the time when I’m stealthed people do things that just really don’t make sense like eles using aoe skills miles away and I’m still standing next to them , never took 1 step and thinking , really even if I wanted to be there at that spot i couldn’t move 3849494 mph across the map to where your aoeing

Kerishan.8460:

Yes we can have all of this healing but if u go for all of this healing you don’t kill anyone.

Well, I don’t know bout you , but if I’m going bs build I’m going all out and not picking up healing, and as a p/d build with what I mentioned , I assume you already know its a condition build and not a straight damage build, my bleeds are still ticking for over 110+ and I’m not full exotics yet, I’m not sure how much someone full carrion picking up not as much healing is Doing, but 110+ a tick isn’t as "wet noodle" as it seems, but that’s just my style , I like running into bigger mobs and picking ppl out 1 by 1 so I prefer more healing to survive

Right now, I’m running p/d with mostly apothecary gear and some shaman with 1100+ healing everytime I stealth and use sneak attack ( if my hp was low enough, usually not) I can heal myself over 2700+ hp or so with signet of malice and assassins reward. Now consider how many times p/d goes into stealth, it’s just rediculous.

swinsk.6410:

So, how do I know what is a combo field?

If I find this mysterious combo field and I hit the 2 or 3 for HS or DB, do I automatically do a finisher?

I’m pretty sure I’ve spammed HS or DB in some friendly AOE in all the hours I’ve played and I’ve never seen my thief do anything special.

you can read the tool tips and itll let you know, and also (not sure if you have to turn an option on) if your standing in it or shoothing/attacking through it, depending, itll have some floating text on you or the target i.e; stealing life, remove condition, burning.

How would you guys feel if thieves went 100% initiative only and no cooldowns for steal, utilities, and elite skills. Would that just be a horrible idea or it depends?

Most qq i ever got for hs spam was whn i went into a empty server and had 2 hieves vs me only.those 2 bs thieves called me a nub hs spammer when I was running around with a shortbow -_- , so I equipped double dagger, found those 2 and had them in downed state and used hs to jump back and forth between them keeping them in downed the whole round lol.

It doesn’t take that long for the revealed buff to go away, rotation is, sneak attack 2 auto attacks CnD repeat, maybe your just hitting CnD a bit too early

Try p/d at lower lvls untill you can get enough points for a high crit build IMO , all you have to do is CnD and sneak attack. Once you get enough points for a high crit build everything just dies super fast

Omg, it’s begun, it was backstab, now unicorn, next " omg did you see that thief run around in circles, everyone was confused and just watched him so he took no damage!!"

I think most thieves regardless of build get spoiled by signet of shadows and find it hard to give up