Guild Wars 2

briggah.7910:

Well they do have plans for upgrades and siege trolling but I think that comes out with HoT.

Upgrades will be automatic so that trolling will be gone.

But siege trolls: I’ve heard nothing about that. It’s going to take real live humans to read reports and make judgements on whether trolling is indeed happening. But they have shown zero willingness to use people to police WvW.

And don’t forget the pop-commander-tag trolling that’s not a huge gamebreaker, but is amazingly annoying.

Your early experience is pretty much how it’s going to be the rest of the game.

Silverkey.2078:

They definitely meant that you can take any profession, but you will have to adapt your builds. They strength of GW2 is that any profession can have a tank/support build, a DPS build, etc… So 10 cleric guardians won’t do, but 10 guardians having the appropriate builds to fill the needed roles should be able to do it.

The more casual players who got Ascended gear (especially armor) after months or years of grinding are going to really resist changing their builds.

A different build with exotic gear may be more effective, but psychologically, it’s a step down from Ascended; people don’t like that. This is going to be a real problem.

briggah.7910:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Looks like T1 being full (T2 also?) is good news since free accounts can’t be made there.

Lower tiers though, there’s gonna be a lot of siege trolls, hackers and spies pretty soon.

Yea because every single f2p account is a troll/hacker/spy right? LOL

Who cares about spies anyways.. What will they do send a zerg to where we are? Ohh look inc bags

No not all f2p accounts are hackers/trolls/spys, but the damage that those who are can do to a server is tremendous.

Remember that Anet doesn’t act against siege trolls, so that’s going to be a big mess.

Looks like T1 being full (T2 also?) is good news since free accounts can’t be made there.

Lower tiers though, there’s gonna be a lot of siege trolls, hackers and spies pretty soon.

How did the meeting go, for those who couldn’t make it?

MinerBob.5312:

Crafting is definitely possible, as you can send gold from your other account.

Can a free account accept gold in the mail? If so, looks like crafting is the quickest way to go. Anyone seeing big influx of trolls yet?

WvW gets nothing, of course. Nothing good, I mean. Broken Golem Week doesn’t count.

WvW players already buy gems.

Every time you there are new outfits and other gemstore stuff, you see tons of them in WvW immediately.

In fact WvW players probably buy gems more than your average PvE player since WvW is pretty poor for making gold. Compare this to a PvE player farming in the Silverwastes.

Anyone not getting credit for guild rush when in a small guild and doing it with other guilds (other guild started rush)?

Notes:

• Tried three separate times on the Quaggan rush within the 5 hour window.
• One time chicken run.
• We did “Accept Credit” at the end each time.
• We’ve done this before and it’s supposed to work (last week most recently).

Edit: got credit for chicken run about 10 mins after it finished. Never got credit for Quaggan rush (the day before) though.

They don’t want to force teams to have specific compositions (the LFG monk problem), so they somehow want to make the raids equally hard no matter what profession/build you play.

The easiest (and also worst) way to do this is for them to make your build for you. They’ve done it before with all the LS chapters where you play as Caithe.

Will there be raids where you’re forced to play premade builds as members Destiny’s Edge? IMO, likely.

Bearhugger.4326:

I’ll be honest. I expect their first raids to have some serious problems. I expect massive complains about overpowered classes, overused builds, cheap strategies allowing to “cheat” an encounter, and so on.

But over the time I’m confident they will refine and it will eventually be good.

Let’s see their track record on refining content:

• Open world dynamic event-chain-based gameplay: abandoned.
• Dungeons: abandoned.
• Fractals: abandoned.
• Guild Missions: abandoned.

They said there will be three raids coming. They’re probably already in development. I’m calling it now: there will be at most one more new raid after those three.

Anet will then move on to the next big thing while people are left hanging waiting for the next raid (see dungeons, fractals, guild missions).

1. For players who play for free, the full game is pay-to-win.
2. WvW is toast.
3. Buy HoT now… core game included for free! That was really disingenuous.

Maybe it’s time to get a few free accounts (definitely not for trolling opposing servers).

So here are the two questions:

1. What’s the quickest way to get to 60? (For those who want to enter WvW as soon as possible.)
2. What’s the least effort way (AFK as much as possible) to get to 60? (For those who have less active play time and want to do other stuff (play other games, watch TV, homework, etc.) while leveling.

ArchonWing.9480:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Spazzoni.1703:

Megaserver decimated any sense of server pride. No more yelling in Lions Arch for reinforcements when a keep is going down. Even PVE types would come help in some capacity.

This is how people got into WvW in the past. They hear the announcement in LA, and come in; there’s something exciting going on, everyone is on the same page and working towards the same goal: the experience is fun and there’s server pride/cohesion.

Now: new plaeyers come in by themselves, have no idea what’s going on….
run out of spawn a few times only to get one-shotted by gankers, and never return.

Yea, I would definitely say the megaserver thing for cities definitely dealt a blow to this concept.

I mean, in the past you’d likely see many in lion’s arch that you would in wvw, but now it really takes another step to get acquainted with people and if you log on when there aren’t many friendly on people, well…

Although was there really an exception for Lion’s Arch? I know it sometimes tries to put you together with your servermates, but it seems very on and off.

There’s no exception for LA for megaservers. I’m guessing that idea came from the fact that when megaservers first came out it was only for certain maps and I remember lots of confusion for quite a while afterwards as to which maps were actually megaserved.

The entire point of Ascended gear and infusions is to get you to grind. So it’s working as intended.

Won’t work at all except for one exception.

Population differences between servers (even those adjacent in ratings) are so wide that you’ll just have servers bouncing from steamrolling into first place one week and getting smashed to bits the following week. Meanwhile, the number two server stays number two every single week.

The one exception is when one server implodes or gets bandwagoned. This’ll move them into proper position faster. But is that worth unbalancing every matchup every week?

Spazzoni.1703:

Megaserver decimated any sense of server pride. No more yelling in Lions Arch for reinforcements when a keep is going down. Even PVE types would come help in some capacity.

This is how people got into WvW in the past. They hear the announcement in LA, and come in; there’s something exciting going on, everyone is on the same page and working towards the same goal: the experience is fun and there’s server pride/cohesion.

Now: new plaeyers come in by themselves, have no idea what’s going on….
run out of spawn a few times only to get one-shotted by gankers, and never return.

ScribeTheMad.7614:

Free accounts (without careful restrictions) means both spies everywhere, as well as trying to stuff the opponents servers with dead weight accounts to limit the number of actual players that can get into WvW maps.
Some people will do anything to get an edge.

There’s already no enforcement on trolls in WvW. With free accounts that have access to WvW, it’s going to be even more of a disaster.

Random.4691:

Ya they do but it’s not typically on an alt account used for trolling. Do you have a better suggestion ? Limiting free accounts once you have announce it’s free is a game killer. Look at SWtOR free to play my @ ss, it’s hidden fees which kittened off a lot of their remaining customer base.

This. With the limits they’re going to have to put on the F2P version, the game is going to look Pay to Win to people who play this version. Not a good thing.

Behellagh.1468:

So I doubt that F2P will get login rewards.

Will they stop at just login rewards? If a player can log into 10 accounts every day just for JP rewards, that’s a lot of free gold.

On the other hand, the more they restrict the F2P version the more GW2 looks like a P2W game in the eyes of those who play for free.

IllegalChocolate.6938:

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LOL. In other words, it’s the “zerker meta idols” who come up with new and innovative tactics for an extremely stale game mode.

FGS, walling, cornering, wallsploit: all really nice solutions to the puzzle of how to do this faster. Thinking outside the box… good stuff.

The words you want to preach are good, but going about it the way you describe makes it sound and feel like a thinly veiled propaganda campaign: especially the quiz. It’s a bit too obvious and people don’t like to feel manipulated.

meltdown.5870:

no wonder why peoble ..are reporting here and there for hacking activities…with all that hacking going on ..peoble are going paranoid …

The public perception of lack of anti-hacking enforcement means people see hackers everywhere: a lot real, but many false. Not much can be done as long as Anet’s not interested in policing their game.

msalakka.4653:

Yeah, stealth is an exciting part of competitive play. Please add more of it. Give it to burnguards and other cheeseboxes. Also please add +40% stealth duration food for more excitement.

Unfortunately, Anet actually believes this. Look at what they did with mesmer stealth. That +40% stealth duration food is probably just around the corner.

They’d be crazy to make the base game no-holds barred free. As the PvE people have already brought up, daily login rewards will be ridiculously OP when everyone has 10 accounts. WvW will be troll heaven — especially since there’s zero troll enforcement.

My guess: it’ll be either severely restricted (so much so it’ll be like a worthless trial account) or restricted to PvP (very likely, as PvP is dying).

fyi there’s a +8% damage while moving food that you can buy after an event in cursed shore. It only lasts 10 mins, but is pretty cheap at around 1s.

Ryorco Marm.9580:

They are there, but under different name
Belka – Inquest Assistant (Teleports, Extreme Ranged Damage)
Brie – Inquest Golemcaster (Phase Shifted) in that spreadsheet.

Sneaky! Funny that Brie doesn’t cast golems.

Anyway, good to know potion of undead slaying covers all of p2.

DeceiverX.8361:

You won’t get banned if you’re not hacking or breaking the code of conduct. You will if you are.

Totally and utterly false.

SkyChef.5432:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Jayne.9251:

KURU TIME FOR THE WHITE KNIGHT! chop chop

A fix that isn’t even complete yet and everyone’s kittening themselves. That shows how neglected WvW has been.

You need to forgive people who have been walking in the dark tunnel for 3 years and see a glimpse of light at the far end. Naturally they would run to embrace the hero …

Considering the last few glimpses of light were trains coming head on, they might want to be a little careful running towards it.

SlyDevil.3952:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SKAWQhoBOads8n61LzXniXFHDejeeL3zCM7ywz94gZY/edit#gid=971179265

List of mob types, there was a thread somewhere that listed them as well, not bookmarked unfortunately.

Cool spreadsheet! No Brie or Belka though.

This issue was brought up well before the announced stability nerf went into effect and they did nothing. Don’t expect any action.

Speaking of Arah… anyone know if Belka and Brie are confirmed to be undead (gw2dungeons list them as such)? I know there was a thread listing all the mob-type verifications, but I can’t seem to find it.

Nate.3927:

Orochimaru.4730:

As usual, Anet is just putting band aids on a gaping wound.

It might slow things down, but the end result is the same.

The entire client needs fixing so that players cannot hack so easily!

if you know anything about software development you will know that nothing is unhackable.

That’s why the only real solution is to put actual man hours into investigating and (severely) punishing hackers. But from this announcement, it doesn’t look like that’s the road they want to take.

kodash.8976:

No sympathy, organized double team to crush their precious PPT for weeks at a time until they wear down, SBI and Maguuma did it to DB months ago to straighten out T3, T3 is pretty kitten fun now I gotta admit, it will work against Yaks, it doesnt matter how blobby they are kill their rating even it’s it’s wooden towers and supply camps. Send them the message that they are NOT going to Tier 1 and watch the kitten hit the fan.

I think it might be too late to get the people of YB and SoS out and excited about a double team of YB.

However:

let YB RNG into T1 (30 percent chance as of this post) and double team whoever comes down. People will naturally show up for a new matchup so you actually have population to work with. Half your job is done, you just gotta take advantage of it on reset night or you risk losing that population again.

Jayne.9251:

Yes but the game world is in three dimensions. It’d be easy to assimilate a certain depth and height limit.

Yeah, but if the limit is like: “you can’t go more than 200m above sea-level and -10m below sea-level,” then hackers can still fly around between those two thresholds.

Anyway, there’s one of these hackers in my matchup right now, so we’ll see how that goes.

Jayne.9251:

KURU TIME FOR THE WHITE KNIGHT! chop chop

A fix that isn’t even complete yet and everyone’s kittening themselves. That shows how neglected WvW has been.

Jayne.9251:

I would imagine flying above a lord in a tower or keep would be “too far” … much like being under the ground.

The terrain is uneven and there are lots of heights which allow players to legitimately be far above it (when falling or leaping from a cliff, for example).

That means it’s not so simple determining how far “too far” is.

The easiest “solution” (and thus the one Anet is most likely to use) is to just put a big box around the entire map and say that if you’re outside that box, it’s too far. But this still allows people to fly-hack and go below the ground as long as they stay in that box.

You have friends who can hold spots so you don’t get your instance stolen when you sell? That’s probably the hardest part of solo-selling.

Jayne.9251:

In today’s patch:

Players will now be killed if they travel too far outside of the playable space on the maps.

Sounds like that will finally fix your hacker.

Depends on how far is “too far.”

Jayne.9251:

Someone give Coglin a hug.

But he “doubts that’s not true in the least.”

Chaba.5410:

HoT will bring some freshness and population back to WvW. It won’t last. And with the new population calculation, the large scale zerg battles in WvW will most likely be a thing of the past. Players seeking that style of WvW will probably not find it.

Yeah, with Anet’s zero understanding of (and interest in) WvW, the population boost when HoT comes isn’t going to last long. That HoT looks pretty thin in terms of content isn’t going to help. As for large scale zerg battles… they pretty much are already a thing of the past for pretty much every tier. I remember enormous battles in T5 a couple years ago. Haven’t seen anything like that in a long time.

Sungtaro.6493:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sungtaro.6493:

I look at IOJ. ANET will let what happens, happen. There will be no intervention to save servers.

The servers, FA and SOS, will have to use their resources or methods to maintain morale to keep interest in WvW and T2 for their populations. There will be no white knight for this situation. It will play itself out.

This situation is merely Act One of what will happen.

And does the twenty guilds leaving T2 include the two guilds that are reported leaving just recently? One from FA, one from YB.

Speaking of IoJ…

Remember back when there were four T2 servers so one was always matched up in T3? Remember how badly they behaved? Now it’s happening to them. Maybe they’ll fall to T8 as a result — like IoJ did.

Yeah know about it second hand. Where did you think a lot of IOJ players went? If it is as you say about how badly the T2 servers behaved, why would they move to T2 servers?

Everyone wants to “win.” And once you’re the one dealing out the beatings, you quickly and easily find excuses to justify them.

SkyChef.5432:

Jayne.9251:

There’s a block function.

No, the concern here is Anet takes mass reports as an evidence of hacks.

I doubt this. How many times have you had your entire server report (real) hackers? Yet nothing is ever done to them.

Too much whining about people who want meta builds in their LFG.

Why do you care so much about how others with to play the game?

There’s PLENTY of play-how-I-want players for you to group up with, so just respect the wishes of those who don’t want you in their group. Why is that so hard?

Sungtaro.6493:

I look at IOJ. ANET will let what happens, happen. There will be no intervention to save servers.

The servers, FA and SOS, will have to use their resources or methods to maintain morale to keep interest in WvW and T2 for their populations. There will be no white knight for this situation. It will play itself out.

This situation is merely Act One of what will happen.

And does the twenty guilds leaving T2 include the two guilds that are reported leaving just recently? One from FA, one from YB.

Speaking of IoJ…

Remember back when there were four T2 servers so one was always matched up in T3? Remember how badly they behaved? Now it’s happening to them. Maybe they’ll fall to T8 as a result — like IoJ did.

Obstructed!

Another reason for T8 is that if you go anywhere else and a server below you gets bandwagoned (which happens a lot, particularly around T3, T4, T5), you may have a hard time preventing them from rising up to your tier and bumping one of your servers out.

Also, if you’re thinking of making the move anytime soon (within the next few months):

That day when YB RNGs into a T1 matchup is coming soon (20% chance this past friday already), and when it happens, I suspect a server will implode. As that server falls, it’s going to be hard to keep it from disrupting your tier unless you’re down below T4/T5.
I suspect there’s going to be chaos in the higher tiers the moment YB hits the RNG jackpot and gets into a T1 matchup (there was already 20% chance it would happen this past friday already). I wouldn’t be surprised if one server implodes, making it hard to keep your tier together

coglin.1867:

KhainPride.3987:

Hey guys, i was just reading up an earlier thread this morning and I actually posted in it.

Thread name was something like Pu mesmer wvw

Anyway i cant find any history of it and just wanted to remind the admins to politely provide reasons for deleting such threads without notices and reasons(no reason because no notice).

Thanks!!

Basically what happens is posters get off topic, rude, intentionally dishonest, or breaking various forums rules. Once it derails so far, they just shut down the thread, rather then delete half the post. Basically it is simply because the discussion goes off the rails or people get too rude.

By the way, those same forums rules state that they do not owe you an explanation.

Also, sometimes the original thread creators will go back and change a thread name to fit the discussion better.

LOL!

Anyway, sometimes you get a notice sometimes you don’t. It’s pretty inconsistent and fits well with Anet’s general lack of communication with players (and in particular WvW players).