Guild Wars 2

Magikarp posting his screen shot proving that he is buddy buddy with waha on hitting SoR
Good to see you guys are finally admitting (somewhat) to plain out working together.

Why dont you show the 30 other ac’s and balistas that they took out, and how you wiped in that location then ran back in bay to wipe SoR with your full map blob and 9000 acs on inner.

MERC should rename their guild to [AC]

lol, should stop complaining about SoR putting up siege, i couldnt see the ground texture in Bay with the amount of siege MERC builds

I had to come on here and give props to [EA]’s havoc squad in SoR BL. Nice combination of classes and builds making for a small but deadly squad, it was very fun pulling every trick out of the hat to survive your attacks.
First time i engaged you guys I took you for the standard hit squad and got destroyed.

With BG hiding away or trying to ninja stuff all the time, it was an amazing change of pace to fight that huge 3 group zerg DB brought out.

Honestly, no matter what the score ends as, DB can come out of this match-up with their head held high. They are coming out to fight, whether its their small havoc squads or their big zergs.

Neuromancer.2148:

Cicero.3492:

Aran.8659:

“This is from a ATM commander: “And those who didn’t get to see my post, right now SEA time only left ATM, FOO (I believe is coming back) and GE as the main forces and we are trying to break SOR’s SEA morale by washing away all their tier 3 keeps if possible and let their kitteny EU forces feel the pinch. We do not know whether it will work or not but we do know we are having so much fun doing that. So bear with us guys, we will continue that until either major WVW guilds joined us or make SOR break up. This is how we did to SOS and hopefully it will work on SOR.”

SOR I look forward to watching you guys crash and burn

So I am confused here, what you are trying to say is that in order to get more guilds to join you, you have to PvDoor more? And that PvDoor is fun?

What he’s saying is that since SoR’s EU seems to enjoy lopsided competition due to overstacking (I’m writing this from the original poster’s perspective), they can expect JQ’s SEA to pay back in kind until something changes: EU guilds join JQ, or SoR collapses enough to make things equal again.

It doesn’t make sense, and if JQ SEA doesn’t get its act together they are getting closer and closer to becoming T2, loot at the diff in rating with TC.

BG is not stupid, they know Waha is not bothering defending, so not only do they focus SoR (which is an ok strategy and is working well for them), but they also back cap Waha once the 5min timer goes down and JQ stays <200 ppt in their strongest timezone. I really don’t think what they are doing is helping them at all. It’s actually helping Blackgate.

Its just hurting JQ, and in NA i’ve seen way less JQ than usual. They are having a lucky day if they fill 2 bl’s from what i understand, and you’ve seen yourselves that some JQ NA took the time to post, their SEA seems to be breaking the morale of their own NA before SoR’s SEA.

Until RATS showed up (props for coming to fight open field) there wasn’t a single JQ soul on their home border for the most of NA prime.

Shinji.2063:

Fuzzion.2504:

Vash.9183:

Finally the Blackgate teamspeak is up after two hours of being down. We were without a community voice chat, heaven forbid.

BG doesnt need TS. You guys have 6 million players on JQ BL now :P

What are you talking about, we are 2v1 SOR remember. Must of been a mix up in attacking the wrong BL.

You keep forgetting that everytime oceanics and sea starts JQ bl becomes somewhat of a sacrificial lamb (gets painted red and waha does nothing about it)

Starscream.7803:

Kathy K.6812:

Starscream.7803:

Well, we know that Smokee and HB is online, and I have posted where IRON is playing. Maybe we only heard half of the story, maybe it was they was coming for IRON while we was sleeping like the boogie man?
It kinda makes sense, they made their “excuses” to avoid a GvG and we will be easier targets with half of us offline xD

MEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

HB= 15-20 players

IRON= 200+

Yeah, i defo see that many people in our guild roster…………………….

Lol that’s weirds, having seen HB play late EU early NA with 30-40 members + their puggies…ANET, please fix the bug, it seems you are incorrectly displaying guild tags according to her statement.

And you might wanna fix queues name tags too, i have no idea how she managed to see 200+ of a single guild in the same map. o.O specially when its more than the map cap.

having 6 lvl 80’s and 2 half way there, i think its a terrible idea, a lot of people already find it to be a grind to level multiple characters.

GW1 was perfectly fine with the level cap, same for GW2, it’s a very stable mechanic and i hope they don’t ever consider changing it without a VERY good reason.

I find it a real pity to see the devs rushing new content every 2 weeks only for it to disappear.

I understand that this takes them closer to a “living world” (sort of, because a living world wouldn’t really require a dev to redesign the map for it to change, but it would change based on what happens in it – Minecraft being a good example of that – i know its not the same kind of game, just an example that makes a point about this feature)

So all this patching they do every 2 weeks is not only costly to them, personally doesn’t add to the magic of a living world, but the most annoying part is that all this new content just disappears and you never see it again.

I really do not understand why they dont make something like a “Hall of Memories” that allows players to replay through the events of the past (a bit how you are brought to a vision of the future in your storyline).

The present world would be the one they have modified it to be, while players could freely choose to revisit the past allowing everyone to experience more new content without the game remaining at the same PvE boring level it is right now.
A new player starting the game today will be faced by as much content as someone who started when the game launched (for a whole year of being live) when they could actually be experiencing so much more.

Robot Chocken.7012:

LostBalloon.6423:

Titan.3472:

Now I am just waiting that JQ server implodes and transfer over TC to give them a run to T1 that they ll fight heavy for at least. JQ times are over please consider giving your rank to TC. If every JQ wvw oreinted guilds transfer over TC you might get a real retaliation and boost moral effect unlike staying in JQ. Anyway JQ won’t be able to hold their T1 rank forever better jump out before it s too late

The only way JQ is guaranteed to drop T1 is if SoR and BG focus them, but with the “rivalry” it will never happen.

This is WvW all of us get focused. 2 v 1 happens to everyone. JQ is often left having to defend only the north of our map at times and you say if we get focused? We already are lol.

-_- dude wtf. im not talking about a casual 2v1 that occurs when playing map politics (which is how it is intended to work) but about 2 sides focusing the other while pretty much ignoring each other for the most part.
And if you are insinuating that BG and SoR have an unspoken “lets both hit JQ” agreement, …. [CENSORED].

Titan.3472:

Now I am just waiting that JQ server implodes and transfer over TC to give them a run to T1 that they ll fight heavy for at least. JQ times are over please consider giving your rank to TC. If every JQ wvw oreinted guilds transfer over TC you might get a real retaliation and boost moral effect unlike staying in JQ. Anyway JQ won’t be able to hold their T1 rank forever better jump out before it s too late

The only way JQ is guaranteed to drop T1 is if SoR and BG focus them, but with the “rivalry” it will never happen.

oxide.8324:

LostBalloon.6423:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Tam.3146:

MagiKarp.8201:

JQ is in the same position SBI and SoS found themselves in.

Trying to survive on one strong time zone and being smashed / limping along in the other 3. It indeed is not able to compete in T1 at the moment but also it would destroy the tier 2 servers (I believe) it is a weird vacuum to be in, which we won’t see the outcome of until the 3 get split up and JQ gets – JQ/TC/DB. The stigma of being #1 for so long takes it’s toll on a server, be wary T1.

Good luck to JQ to pull itself out of this, may I just ask, don’t pull a SBI and abandon your map every night, actually fight back.

Edit: @Kryyg – What point is there to spending all night upgrading a BL knowing noone is there to hold it when the SoR map zerg shows up? Waha is playing for the enjoyment of the game and seems to be enjoying himself a lot more.

BG wont enjoy it if Waha really play for ppt

In a three way fight, I’m sure one of the two servers wont enjoy the attention…..
JQ can do what they want, it isn’t like BG didn’t get to snuggle with them (I do recall all those INC FOO ZERGS calls, not always legit ) and JQ just wants to share their loving feelings towards us all.

In conclusion, suck it up. It happens, I’m sure it wont stay this way forever even if it feels kinda cruddy now. And from what I’ve been told some of my SoR friends are enjoying these fights… even if it does feel like a constant 2v1 against them.

I think you’re missing the point, its about them abandoning their home bl with T3 stuff that their NA pulled all possible tricks out of their hats to defend only to know BG will be allowed to PvDoor that keep.

And the fact that points wise, JQ could be doing better while eating at a chunk of the easy ppt that BG is getting. (easy -> the higher the ppt the tougher it gets to defend everything)

Why would we want to hit JQ garrison? Yours looks so much nicer

Don’t ask me, ask the ppl on your server that always go PvDoor that whole map.

BlusterWolf.2103:

Why would ATM play defensively when there is no link between JQ SEA and NA prime, as soon as ATM log off, JQ just got outmanned in every BL besides EB, all of them gonna get flipped in 30 mins anyways, and rampaging around all BLs are way more fun than holding some keeps with 40+ players.

JQ is going through a time that lost FOO and EMP major force the same time in a sudden, and doing a kitten good job re-forming, its a time for JQ players re-gain the joy of WvW; not a time for every guilds extending their playing time and burning out for a win.

To maximise ppt, thats the reason they would want to defend those T3 keeps.

CuddleStrike.8215:

Tam.3146:

MagiKarp.8201:

JQ is in the same position SBI and SoS found themselves in.

Trying to survive on one strong time zone and being smashed / limping along in the other 3. It indeed is not able to compete in T1 at the moment but also it would destroy the tier 2 servers (I believe) it is a weird vacuum to be in, which we won’t see the outcome of until the 3 get split up and JQ gets – JQ/TC/DB. The stigma of being #1 for so long takes it’s toll on a server, be wary T1.

Good luck to JQ to pull itself out of this, may I just ask, don’t pull a SBI and abandon your map every night, actually fight back.

Edit: @Kryyg – What point is there to spending all night upgrading a BL knowing noone is there to hold it when the SoR map zerg shows up? Waha is playing for the enjoyment of the game and seems to be enjoying himself a lot more.

BG wont enjoy it if Waha really play for ppt

In a three way fight, I’m sure one of the two servers wont enjoy the attention…..
JQ can do what they want, it isn’t like BG didn’t get to snuggle with them (I do recall all those INC FOO ZERGS calls, not always legit ) and JQ just wants to share their loving feelings towards us all.

In conclusion, suck it up. It happens, I’m sure it wont stay this way forever even if it feels kinda cruddy now. And from what I’ve been told some of my SoR friends are enjoying these fights… even if it does feel like a constant 2v1 against them.

I think you’re missing the point, its about them abandoning their home bl with T3 stuff that their NA pulled all possible tricks out of their hats to defend only to know BG will be allowed to PvDoor that keep.

And the fact that points wise, JQ could be doing better while eating at a chunk of the easy ppt that BG is getting. (easy → the higher the ppt the tougher it gets to defend everything)

Kryyg.8576:

We have a strategic problem on JQ atm.

People just don’t care about working together or trying to beat our enemies. It’s like people log on to only play with their guilds then they log off and don’t give a rats kitten about anyone or anything else.

Quite frankly it’s getting depressing. I feel like we can beat either server and come in 2nd at least but people just don’t want to try. Even Waha has disappointed me lately. There’s no logic to what he does, he lets our entire BL get flipped instead of trying to defend it which leaves us the rest of the day to deal with paper garrison and SoR being the kittens that they are, they keep it paper until NA with their stacked Euro.

It’s our EU’s way of paying back waha for what he does during SEA.
And the cooperation issue you are talking about is exactly what i was getting at in the previous post. I really do believe you guys can get at least 2nd.

And I’m also glad to hear ppl from JQ mentioning Waha letting JQ bl get flipped while rampaging elsewhere without bothering to defend, because every time I log for EU, I always see your border painted in BG’s color.

I’d really hate not only having put all that coin and time in securing and upgrading a keep to know that you will be coming back to all paper or that it will not even be kept during SEA where you actually have a good presence.

JQ is quite the strong force and has its place in T1, i think their biggest issue right now is that one of their largest Oceanic or SEA (i always confuse those) guilds will focus SoR so much and so tunnel visioned that it is actually hurting the server. It makes no sense for JQ to lose T3 Keeps during SEA when their presence is so big.

Is JQ currently an underdog in T1? Yes
Can JQ as it is right now perform better? I think so

Where the ACs were (you can see one in lords and one behind) those have no way of reaching there.

Wilco.1458:

You can actually hit pretty much the entire tunnel, it’s not difficult.

With an AC that is in lords room? Kittens

Raif.9507:

MagiKarp.8201:

Haha, I was wrong last week…

Not one new guild, they were courting 14 bahahaha.

“We often turn away guilds for sake of balance” ahahaha my sides.

You can’t be serious that you actually bought that… right? Please? I need SOME faith in people. Tell me you’re actually trolling, because cuddles just keeps talking the world of you and I’d like to believe her (since shes cuddles and all).

Yes he bought all that, and on top of it, if you look at last weeks posts, he removed his comments and i look like im having a conversation with myself because he realized he was being trolled after we invited him to that guild. Not only that, but he got HB to head hunt our little lowbie train (that actually wiped them a few times, so sad -_-, guess they are used to too much PvDoor)

EU, they even invited you, y are you still not in it :O

Welcome to SoR TKT

Tajz.9826:

dwahvel.7356:

Volcanus.2756:

morrolan.9608:

Volcanus.2756:

Cue the lack knowing what you are talking about.

So I’ve actually been in WvW this week when it has ticked at that level but I apparently don’t know what I’m talking about. If you actually read the graph 3 times this week we have been between 30 and 80PPT which suffices for my purpose seeing as I didn’t say we were exactly at 50 PPT.

And other nights it’s ticking for over 400. That point swing just doesn’t magically happen. We know Wednesday night oce and sea didnt show up due to lag and let BG take everything. So with one night we know what happened and why the ppt was so low, I would judge the other 2 was something similar. Telling us what your ppt is when you dont come out and fight isn’t proving a thing. We all know what ya’ll are capable of.

SoR SEA time consists of NYS and SAHP. So yeah when they are not doing an event on a day our PPT dives. BG needs to stop pretending like we are stacked during SEA. Our Oceanic consists of HIRE and late night NA. Again…..stop pretending like that timezone is stacked.

Sigh… I hate to be participate in but too tempting. SoR isnt stack on SEA? Wrong! You pulled the entire map zerg which lag the hell out of all the kitten.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw138_zpsbe2c232d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/tajz/gw141_zpsc0d3ac2c.jpg
Anet’s servers are going to break because you guys stack too much.

If you look at the guild tags in your screenshot, its mainly EU and NA players in that zerg….

Kysin.6349:

Man… I came back from a 2 month break and WvW is worse (didn’t think it was possible). I was on for 2 hours the other night and saw a guy hack into outer DB. Then I was doing some open field fighting with friends and a thief got downed and started warping around while downed (warped about 8 times to the back of his group), so that was new to me. Oh and I saw in chat that we lost a tower to a group with a hacker in it as well. In 2 hours, seriously, I am not going to point finger at servers or anything because I am sure there are people doing it on BG too.

Just sad to see Anet has not kept up with WvW security to any degree whatsoever. sigh

That I agree, I’ve seen lots of it too, getting someone to 1/2 health, they warp miles away.

Neuromancer.2148:

To any Oce/SEA guilds who are thinking of transferring right now:

Please consider the evidence and data of the tier and see the patterns in the scores. SoR does NOT tick at this low a PPT unless they intend it. Just yesterday they were in the high 200s and even hit 300 on average. At worst they were not far behind in the low 200s. This week, they made up for a 2k lead and extended it to 12k in their favor in a single day.

No one can stop you from going where you please, but please do consider the balance of the matchups for the sake of the WvW community at large. One super-server will upset the game for everyone.

Yes because NA players cannot have a day off at home and decide to play, and EU cant decided to login earlier to help out with SEA from time to time…
Just like MERC can decide to continue their raid all the way into EU and even have some players that stay up for NA…

Hard 2v1 against SoR -> SoR is trying to recruit new guilds, they are not trying, add your QQ if you think i missed any of it…
Hard 2v1 against BG -> QQ on forums, cry that SoR can only win with 2v1, SoR stacked, got new guilds, etc.
Hard 2v1 against JQ -> ??? QQ about dropping to T2 maybe or about ticking at 50- all week ??? who knows….

Volcanus.2756:

zhonnika.1784:

It was just the one week! I swear!

lol. I wouldn’t count that as tier 2 either…….

lol yeah, and TC and DB of then are not the ones of today and TC was not even in that matchup. Plus, with JQ having so many ppl that left the server, I’m convinced they wont have an easy time against TC and DB, and could even lose the matchup.

Mance.5640:

LostBalloon.6423:

Wilco.1458:

Liquid.9672:

kishter.9578:

why this is called SOR/JQ/BG when is SOR/(JQBG) plz fix it.

You’re right. It’s a tragic oversight.

For the next match, I’ll make sure Ascii titles it as (SoR/(BGJQ) – BG/(SoRJQ) – JQ/(SoRBG)) so it’s accurate.

Actually, JQ doesn’t really complain about 2v1 so the last combination isn’t necessary.

I guess next week we will have to give JQ some JQ/(SoRBG), who knows, maybe their rating will drop below TC’s. I really think that at least for NA, TC would make things more interesting.

Yeah you guys might be able to win an open field fight if you fought TC and not JQ. Until then continue to stay behind your ac’s unless you outnumber us 2v1. =) Or old man JQ will take your precious bags….mmmmmmmm.

Say’s the guy coming from the server that managed to drain 1700 supply in less than 15 minutes all on gates and ACs.
Or that sets up multiple ACs in BG’s keep in EB while completely ignored by BG and SoR.
You guys might be able to PvDoor while BG and SoR dish it out, but I have not seen a decent JQ push (specially whitout ACs) all week.

Dear BG, I love our rivalry and wish to continue dishing it out and taking turns at making the other feel enormous pressure at times, but I think we should both hit JQ hard from time to time, or just go for getting them down to 0 ppt. The qq will be much more interesting and contain much less chest thumping on the part of their forum trolls.

I’m really hoping for a DB/TC/JQ matchup next week, that would make things so interesting, how will JQ fair without SoR or BG around to take most of the pressure off their back.

Wilco.1458:

Liquid.9672:

kishter.9578:

why this is called SOR/JQ/BG when is SOR/(JQBG) plz fix it.

You’re right. It’s a tragic oversight.

For the next match, I’ll make sure Ascii titles it as (SoR/(BGJQ) – BG/(SoRJQ) – JQ/(SoRBG)) so it’s accurate.

Actually, JQ doesn’t really complain about 2v1 so the last combination isn’t necessary.

I guess next week we will have to give JQ some JQ/(SoRBG), who knows, maybe their rating will drop below TC’s. I really think that at least for NA, TC would make things more interesting.

WTF? Why is EMP guy on SoR server in WvW on JQ bl…

hammer.9721:

Color me confused.You have one pic where sor is complaining about bg putting down arrow carts then the next pic sor is doing the same thing.

What you saw in that next pic of us “doing the same” is all siege we never built, never even put 1 supply into it, and it was mostly useless stuff (for that scenario) like rams, no actual arrow carts.
And the image that came right after was all the commanders you see in the picture waiting to get killed to see who will be the last one standing and BG did not want to come out

Vampirial.9056:

I have to agree with Anet on this one. This new WvWvW match up system is for the best in the long run. I also have to agree that turning up the variance for the purpose of data collection is the best move also. Cause having data of the same 3 servers going at each other every month is pretty useless for making match ups. all it tells you is how those 3 servers respond to each other and gives you no indicator of which is the actual best server of those 3 in terms of the big picture. which means that most of the previous data can be considered biased and corrupt.

I have to totally disagree with you. Data wont be valid if people dont show up on either side. And I’m sorry but i wont comply with a system that asks me to prove i can tick at maximum against much lower ranked servers.

We technically could take everything SoS has and just wait for them with 10+ arrowcarts manned (open field) at each exit of their spawn. Would it be fun for either side though…Clearly not. And if we dont do that, your data wont be accurate with the system’s expectancy.

kevinskyrider.3271:

The 2v1 discussion is getting really really old & repetitive. My only suggestion is to ignore the silly posts because it’s getting really pointless. It has been going on all daaaay & the saaame people are replying. (Ya’ll should get a chatroom). There are far more civil things to talk about as akamon said. Anyways, props to Tsym for the great use of supply traps everywhere in EBG tonight. (They would pop at every corner )

@ balloon – that keep had holes everywhere & your zerg wasn’t much smaller. Our force was 85% pugs being led by a great commander while you had Tsym+servermates.

Pugs or not, you guys had the numbers to roll over us and jq, you cant imagine how much trouble we went through with those traps :P
Yeah i know, we didnt want you to get supply to patch it up and were waiting you to make your move like you finally did on WC. I was surprised that none waypointed to keep, was it contested?

well, ty bg for trading your garri in eb for 20% on the wall of a tower

Keep capture came just in time to rally me as you were done steamrolling me trying to protect that one cata.

To all the ppl that complain about big zergs, this is a really good example of a megazerg loosing everything on map and being pushed kitten 2 sides by much smaller zergs.

Fun times on EB, and and QQ time

BG vs SoR matchups are fun, through both the good and the bad times

Grats on having found your new home on TC, hope to see you out there tonight before the reset!

Isaac.6041:

I really think you and your guild should avoid transferring until after the new matchups on Friday. The new ratings system has the potential to shakeup many of the tiers so I don’t know if you can find a “stable” server at the moment.

Currently, T1 and T2 servers are probably the most stable. But 4 out of 6 of them are Full. I guess SoR and FA are still open but unless you really want to get away from certain people in Kaineng, I advise hanging out for at least another week.

I know SoR is not full on population, but we are stacked in terms of NA coverage. During NA times, we can easily queue every single map. The last thing SoR needs is more NA wvw guilds.

Alodar.5794:

TSL has entered SoR. We plan on taking over your entire map. We have 15… you have 80.

Bring it!

Good job, on taking your spawn tower, hope you guys manage to give our guys in our home border a good headache.

Johje Holan.4607:

Elwin.2583:

Thats not gonna work lol. SoR is too big. Tedrrible match up .. i am hardcore wvwer but i think i am gonna stand down this week -.-

Teaming up against SoR will absolutely work. Its not going to win you the match of course. But what it will do is allow you to have some fun and a sense of accomplishment.

Because you will be able to fight without having to worry about getting run over in the back by the other server. Turn it into a two front war for SoR and a one front war for TC and SoS.

And of course its not going to work at all times. But believe me, I’m on SBI, and we just got out of a mismatch with DB. And when Mag and us were able to 2v1 DB, it was great fun.

It probably wont do much for the actual matchup, but it would at least make it fun for everyone. I had a great time in EB with you guys coming at us on both fronts on reset, it was quite interesting.

Try taking a keep that is painted in AC with every single operator having AC mastery, It’s almost always suicide just trying to run by, not even trying to hit.

And of course you can’t put down siege because it will get destroyed before you can build. WvW would be so much better without ACs, they are just too unbalanced.

To be honest this match-up is boring for us as well. Although I do appreciate that you guys still come out and give us good fights, otherwise it would be way way more boring.

From what i saw out in the field, there isn’t only the coverage, but also tactics wise there is a big gap, and yes you do learn by fighting stronger opponents, but not when you are blown out like this.

I know the current system isn’t being very fair to you SoS, not only are you getting matched up against servers with way more coverage, but you keep getting more rating points increasing your chances of getting more of this.

And TC, its been a while since we last faced you guys, you guys have the potential to get much better, don’t be demoralized, have fun and keep trying new stuff.

Both your servers strengths will be shown in how you deal with the match-up and keep coming out to fight with your heads held high!

Hope to see you all out there on the field throughout the week!

Lifewaster.5912:

DevonCarver.5370:

To that end, we will not be making the adjustment to the range of the upgraded skills until we are able to implement a one-time reset of said points.

Can we have an update on the progress of this reset? Been a while since this was posted.

Well, they still have not changed the AC, so it not for anytime soon.
Though i think they wouldn’t need this if they forced line of sight and made it that ACs cannot hit you through the gate. hell, if a cata cant do anything trough the gate, why should an AC be able to. (specially that rate of fire is so much faster and that it melts anything you put down and the operators of the siege too).

Ping.5739:

2

Just wait for it to stabilize jeez.

You’ve missed the point completely…
For instance its not fair for TC lose rank to DB just beacause db got a matchup where they can hold all maps for most of the day while TC has to fight round the clock and is losing rating even though its winning.

THAT is what sucks with this system, and it will keep happening. And the way this system works with its randomness, it will never “stabilize”

1. is better than #1 as it allows servers to not be stuck in their tiers, but it breaks the competitiveness, makes ranks too volatile.

Losing when winning by a blowout doesnt make sense. Use the ratings and standard deviation + rand to generate matchups, no problem. But use something else, more stable to determine actual ranks, maybe treat it like a sports season. Or reward the winners of the matchup with something.

Bridget Morrigan.1752:

2

3 is oversimplified, IMO. And yes, I’ll take a chance at a blowout against a much higher ranked server in order to see the wide variety of opponents available with option 2.

What’s wrong with 1 (besides the stagnation), is that it actually creates more inaccurate rankings than 2, not less. In any ranked sports system, such as tennis, the ranking a player maintains has to do with his performance against a variety of opponents, including lower and higher ranked players. There is always a random element to it, depending on who’s playing, who won wildcard placement, who has an injury, etc. Players are constantly facing opponents who are much higher or lower in the rankings than they are.

In order to work out what a servers true ranking is, it can’t just play the same 2 other servers all the time. They have to have a chance to demonstrate all their skills and weaknesses, not just the ones that tend to show versus the two other servers that they play the most. The new system, by adding back in the element of randomness, will allow a broader picture of any given server’s abilities to be reflected in their rankings.

What’s missing is a purpose for the rankings, besides kitten. Granted, that’s enough to drive a lot of people, but having a true tournament or sports season of some kind, with reset rankings at the end and a chance to start over in a new season, and accolades of some sort for the winning servers, and—ideally (although I know this would require some serious work by the developers), a chance for the winning servers to face off in a game-wide championship, NA vs EU, with a wildcard placement for the 3rd server.

What you are describing as an ideal system is not #2…
You are actually considering that rankings mean something. In tennis for instance, yes they meet players of all levels, but in a structured way. If you notice, they always go from easy matches against low ranked opponents and work their way through tougher matches ending up one against the other at some point.

In perspective to #2, even if you win your match against an opponent, you can still lose you ranked position to another server that does not deserve overtaking you.

I’m convinced that, just like myself, its not necessarily facing new opponents that bothers us, its losing the competitive aspect of wvw and striving to overtake those ranked above us and defending our rank from those that want to overtake us.

A win shoud be a win, 2 servers that win their matchup should not exchange ranks just because one of them faced opponents that prevent them from getting a similar variation in rating as the other server… its not a competition anymore… ranks dont mean kitten anymore.

DevonCarver.5370:

Greetings WvW players!

We are aware that there has been a great deal of controversy about the recent changes to arrow carts. One change that is happening in today’s build will be a reduction in the amount of damage arrow carts do to siege weapons. While we believe the damage to players is in line with what we want it to be, we do think that we overshot a bit on the range of the arrow carts once they have been upgraded. We intend to change the arrow cart upgrade line to bring the numbers more in tune with what we intended the whole of siege weapons to be, but we felt that it would be unfair to make that change until we were able to provide all players with a reset of their spent World Ability Points, allowing people to reallocate them however they choose. To that end, we will not be making the adjustment to the range of the upgraded skills until we are able to implement a one-time reset of said points. This will make it so that everyone who upgraded arrow carts can decide if they still wish to put their hard earned points into that spot, or spend them elsewhere after the change. This reset is a special event because we feel it is unfair to make changes to lines once people have put points in them. Hopefully this explains the method behind the madness and we hope you continue to fight the good fight on behalf of your realm!
Cheers!

Devon Carver

Honestly, the biggest issue with AC’s is that they dont require line of sight. should they be able to kill a zerg of enemies? Yes, if they dont pay attention, its all their fault. I dont see the use of arrow carts if their main function, defending a point, becomes useless. A zerg should have enough supply to easily counter AC. Not only that, but this would bring supply traps and stealth traps in the equation when you are trying to defend that one AC you have holding those people down.

I think AC have the potential to be cool and not annoying, if they required line of sight.
For instance, it makes no sense what so ever for an ac to be able to hit you through a gate.

Defending should also consist of some risk, there should always be an available strategy to counter your enemy’s strategy, both offensively and defensively.

Ranelso.9765:

I think the 2 has potential but it is too early to tell. It’s true that 1 was creating stale match ups. Being from Maguuma the only reason I enjoyed playing Yaks and Kain week after week was so that I could level my alts. It may be true that the standard deviation was a little high but there was just too large a gap between tiers IMO. Is dumb that SBI will go up a spot when it comes in dead last? Yes, especially when EB is dominating and they will go down one. This kind of thing is happening to a lot of servers and it’s my hope that it’s all part of the balancing process. I would hope that as the servers settle into their new places ANet will lower the standard deviation to create more “fair” match ups, but when the community wants variety there isn’t really much they could have done.

Some people think that by winning the server should move up, and the losing server should go down. However, after a few weeks I can see a lot of servers being stuck winning one week, only to be sent back down the next in a never ending cycle. Not to mention what would happen at the top and bottom tiers.

I’m not too happy with the new system (mostly because we have to fight DB :P), but I think it has the potential to make everyone happy.

Well what would you think of a sports season like kind of ranking system. You get to fight and get a taste of all the different servers while also having a valid ranking system for the ppl that enjoy the competitive aspect of the rankings

majos.8503:

1 of course… i don’t feel any incentive now to win a match… Why i should aim for the victory if maybe we win on t2 and next week we fight on t4? I don’t get why Anet just eliminated the competitive part of WvW… The leaderbords are just usseles now…

I totally agree, and I really think there are simpler better ways to give all these happy ppl what makes them happy without this crap.
There is absolutely no more competitiveness in WvW with the current system. There is no real point in winning your current match-ups, it doesn’t reward the player or the server.

before you all continue to shout 2, 2 2 and more 2,
Read the other comments above that actually propose solutions to you getting the different matchups you want while keeping a competitive ladder that makes sense.

I hate 2 because it does not respect in any way competitiveness losing rank because the other is facing easier to crush opponents than you does not make sense! A server should have the ability to at least defend their rank in some way.

I think all the ppl in this thread that welcome the change is because they got a new opponent to fight and that it will change again by next week.

What those same ppl fail to realize is this system destroys an competitivity for WvW.
And while Offski’s idea is right in terms of competition and respects rank, those ppl will yet again complain of being matched up against the same 4 servers instead of 2 or something like that.

I think the best thing they can do is to treat this like a sports season, football (soccer) or hockey, and work rankings from there instead of these rating points.
ex: +5 for a win +3 for 2nd and +1 for last
This would encourage every server to fight for positioning while always getting new matchups.

I personally think the “rating points” of the glicko system to be a broken statistic that will never satisfy the WvW community as a whole.

The overall demand of the WvW community is to have a competitive system that allows for variation of matchups.

If i were to compare the glicko system to the real world, imagine the NHL where winning your match is not important, but your ranking is based on your players statistics wich do vary depeding on the opponent they face. And of course the weaker opponent will have a boost in their stats even though they lose.

How this new system sucks? Look at TC and DB, DB is outmatching “easier” opponents while SBI is putting somewhat of a fight.
TC having a somewhat tougher matchup than DB, they will lose a rank to DB without even being able to defend their placement in the ladder.
How can WvW be competitive when you don’t even have the opportunity to defend your rank…

From the matchups I see, I’d say there were some adjustments on anet’s part since the randomisation range of matchups is not as bad as their example and if you look at both NA ad EU, T1 matchups are the same (besides the color). Still, adjustments or not, I still wont welcome this disgusting change that destroys competitivity of WvW.

You want diversity of matchups? make it work like a sports season with playoffs at the end.
You want the fights to be balanced, let ranks stabilise while actually allowing movement along the whole ladder, of course, based on something other than this broken rating points system.

What server are you from Libertys Knight?

Were having the same issue on all maps as well, but our opposition Blackgate and Jade Quarry.

Khayoss.2019:

LostBalloon.6423:

The reason I complain is the “random” factor in the whole thing. Think about it, its not about winning or losing, but having interesting matchups, with us bleeding rating points (yes, ratings do need to be fixed, but the ranking system is broken from its core), we might end up close enough for the randomness to match us against a server from tier 4 by the 2nd week of this new system.

That just wouldn’t be fun for either side.

Ok let’s look at an extreme case then. Sanctum of Rall, under the new system has about a 5% chance of facing Maguuma, a T3 server in week 1. While that is incredibly low and extremely unlikely, lets say that happens. The two servers have roughly a 400 rank point difference under the current system, which means that SoR should be able to blow the doors off of Maguuma without even getting out of bed in the morning.

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So, why worry? If T1 servers are as good as they think they are, worst case scenario is that they will lose 20-30 points here and there in the extremely rare overly imbalanced matchup that is drawn. If they aren’t, then this will simply give everyone else a shot at competition that is closer to their level than they have been allowed to know by the current system. Either way, the points needed to balance the middle of the pack floats down to where they need to be.

See, i think the points are way more volatile than you consider them to be, just by looking at how they fluctuate within the tier. It is already quite easy to make a server bleed points, the only problem right now is those points are stuck in their respective tier. And if you notice, green bleeds more points when red has a close score than if the gap between blue and green had that same gap.

Also, from their example, you can see that chances of 2 servers with 10% chance being potentially matched up isn’t that much of an “exception”. It can very well happen easily and repetitively.

Will it be better than what we currently have? Only time will tell. I believe it wont be better, but it will at least give ppl a fresh matchup instead of the usual one they are stuck in. I still think they have yet to adress the real issue, the need to rework the ranking system from the ground up. The problem isn’t how matchups are created, the problem is in how the ranking points work and are attributed. They are patching the system to even out the scores, after which they will have to patch the range, which will have another side effect, potentially trending towards the same kind of situation we currently have just at a different pace.