Guild Wars 2

der don.9854:

There was nearly nothing that made it an WvW-reward: no badges, no siege, no wexp booster, very little wxep… every achievment chest has the same or a better connection to wvw!

Now that’s a lie because we got a Taste of WXP, which gave us a rank. Yeah, we should have gotten more, but still, they didn’t want to give people too much of a lead over newbies.

Here’s another thought; get rid of the two-hit thief. kthanksbai

Can’t really remember what I got; I think it was two greens, two yellows, 100 of each of the level 500 crafting material and something else. I think we all learned something in Season One and how the rewards experiment went. Personally, I doubt achievement hunters will return because the rewards weren’t worth it but hey, I still had fun fighting to try and get first. Isn’t having fun what we are supposed to do? If you want money or something substantial, WvW has never really been the place.

Junkhaus.4301:

Narcin Roc.3018:

Junkhaus.4301:

ReinventTheExit.6587:

Why do people always come onto these kinds of posts and say stuff like this.
“Oh, we are not even trying”
“Ooh, we’re burnt out from the 7 week season grind.”

That is complete nonsense. AR is beating SF and Kpop at EVERY single turn. We are taking lead because our WvWvW game has skyrocketed. Yup, we are taking advantage of coverage gaps…but that’s not the entirely we’re wining. Hell it’s prime time for everybody right now and we’re still leading. Hmm. Crazy.

What I’m seeing right now from SF is not the same we fought weeks earlier during the season. The previous SF had the 2nd most participation levels in I’ve seen in WvW, right now it’s quite tame by comparison. I’m not one to kick a server while they’re down. SF deserves a relaxing break from WvW stress and just play for fun, they’ve accomplished a lot during the season. IMO you were the server in bronze that was closest to competing with HoD during your season prime.

You should have some respect from me, at least after all that hate for your server I’ve been reading on last week. Not that I like your SF forum warriors when you are winning and spamming the recruitment posts on the matchup thread, but AR right now… loll. Omg guuyeez, bronze league offseason is teh hardcore real deal! All hail AR! Their genius wvw strategies and grass roots community building is a beacon of hope for all bronze leaguers! Enlighten us in your ways so we may learn to be champions of bronze league offseason.

(Awaiting for AR response)

You want to be enlightened? Learn to properly siege up and defend. Defense is the one strat above ALL OTHERS that has brought us up from 24th. More than the few transfers we’ve had, and almost arguably even better for us than our recent TS usage. As simple as that. Defending what we own and wiping the enemy zerg to demoralize them. You’ve been enlightened.

Siege….and defend….

I think you have found a more effective demoralizer; leaving us with 15-30 PPT in the morning but whatever, keep disregarding coverage just like A-Net. It’s been repeated to infinitum anyway, so I guess it doesn’t matter.

Either way, this is often what I see when someone mentions ‘defense’ and occasionally ‘offense’.

After fighting just about every server it seems in Bronze tier, everyone goes after SF. I think they just want to test our mettle and I’m not entirely sure why.

We still need nodes for Azurite and Passion Flowers, gaiz.

God, I don’t want to repeat what I did this weekend ever again.

I’ve been getting some ungodly lag that doesn’t disconnect me for whatever reason, since I hang for at least 2-3 minutes. It’s ridiculous, I cannot do anything in the game.

Da Sonic.6521:

Madora.9340:

God, give it a day. You can’t make such an assumption the very day the patch releases, it’s just the start of things. Good grief, can you wait at least a day before trying to make this patch look like the spawn of the Devil himself?

Don’t be silly, the patch is coming out in 6 days!

My point still stands; stop making claims like you know what’s going on when the patch hasn’t even released yet!

Tuluum.9638:

I havent really been playing much this match, but I am a little surprised at the difference in perspectives among our servers.

SF is saying that before this match, they were expecting to lose. On DH, a lot of the people I talked with said that it was going to be a very, very close match due to the sheer volume of SF wvw participants. I dont know of anyone that felt it was going to be a match like its turning out to be (just according to the millenium site).

It seems the match with HoD made a lot of the fairweathers give up on SF, and I think that is the demoralizing aspect that others have been talking about. I know that many say “good riddance,” but even fair weather numbers still contribute!

DH did make some basic changes though, and that helps too. But, DH has a LOOOOOONG way to go as far as improvements are concerned. We basically just learned how to actually work together instead of fighting with ourselves and the other servers at the same time. We are starting to practice the very basics of teamwork, and its showing.

I think you will see some of DH settle into that as “mission accomplished,” with no further improvement outside of those aspects. While that isnt exactly “good” for DH, it will mean the disparity between servers in these rankings wont grow too much and it should be easy for servers like SF to catch up by improving on whatever aspects they are struggling with.

Which, in the end, just means great matches for the future!

Finally, somebody sees it from our perspective rather than saying we’re not trying hard enough. Thank you.

Would you guys still be mad if she showed up under your tree dressed only in a ribbon?

Worst trait? Hmm…I’d have to say the warrior’s bonus armor when at or above 90% health because all it takes it a crit and that bonus is gone.

As for most useless weapon, can’t believe nobody has mentioned the torch yet. I don’t see any guardians or mesmers running torches.

bob.8632:

ptitminou.6489:

they aren’t trying to be solo heroes. We’re losing the solo heroes slowly but surely on SF, which is a great thing, we just need to fix our biggest problem now (coverage) so people can truly see the progress that has been done.

Perception isn’t reality. SF has always zerged people, but each week there are actually more small role players (your: solo heroes).

You have to remember balling up in a tanky support build is much easier than stepping out in a small group and getting things done.

You need both to be successful, stop trying to model your server after Tier 1 and instead model it after the more successful Upper Bronze/Lower Silver servers and you might have something.

Trying to get everyone to run PVT/clerics/etc and spam 1 will only make them resent the playstyle. The main thing I personally think SF needs is to use the existing guilds more effectively. You have more players than HoD, but for whatever reason you aren’t getting them into WvW or if you are they aren’t being used (coordinated) effectively.

Pardon my cynicism, but I keep seeing people say they know how to fix SF yet we have tried all of those options and nothing has worked. HoD did it, Yak’s Bend did it, Kaineng did it when they were hot stuff, etc. What works for one server doesn’t necessarily work for another. I can’t help but feel that we have tried to appeal to other guilds on the server, but it’s just that nobody on the server is interested in WvW. We are simply going with what we have found to work throughout the season and while it isn’t the most effective use of people, it still gets the job done.

I kind of wish we had smaller groups of CoSA running around hitting yaks and taking camps, I think that would help us out more than everyone holing up on SF BL but that’s just me. As much as I like soloing camps, I can’t do it all on my own some days.

Assassin X.8573:

yesterday was my day off and i enjoyed the battles for bay in dh bl at the beginning of SF prime time. i havent gotten to face the true prime time force SF has this week. but i have gotten to battle with star and cosa at odd times. both star and cosa are formidable, star a little more so, but i guess that can be expected with the turmoil in cosa.

What turmoil? There’s no turmoil. We aren’t nearly as organized or as serious as STAR, it’s comparing a durian to an apple.

I thought they had Cavalier’s and Knight’s armor, but I haven’t checked. I know WvW is one of the few ways to acquire Soldier’s armor.

Eh, I think all servers are kind of equal on that front. There’s always some sort of drama going on between two guilds because some people like to cause some trouble.

Arius.7031:

Madora.9340:

melodey.4652:

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Assassin X.8573:

Madora.9340:

Sounds like the same old argument, different day. Surprised that people haven’t considered the fact we had two hard weeks against HoD and then have to fight DH on Black Friday. Kind of hard to get out of a corner when that’s where you end up starting, but hey, what do I know? Not a whole heck of a lot.

Really? Black Friday excuse? LoL. OK.

popaz.1524:

DH knew very well that this would be a though week being the underdogs.

I had a lot of respect for SF coming into this match up but not so much anymore after seeing all the tears in this forum.

Being the person I am, I’m at least trying to find some sort of explanation of why we aren’t doing so well right now, so call it what you want; excuses, tears, whatever. Like I said in an earlier post, I’m not playing right now. Yet no matter what the reason, it doesn’t stop you guys from picking on us or saying that we’re making things up…so what’s the point of you guys trying to call us out? There isn’t one.

See it from our perspective. We’ve been preparing for this, for weeks. In guild chat, not a day went by where anbu wasn’t talking about the fight for 2nd and how important it was. Our server held meeting and dedicated significant amounts of time to preparing for you, we wanted to beat you and earn this victory. How is this met? By excuses. It’s black friday. It’s HoD. Dh was ALWAYS bigger and stronger than SF anyways. One SF person that I count, in this entire thread, I think sincerely congratulated us/treated us like we did okay.

I mean, seriously, HoD may favor us, but do you really think it’s just coincidence that tons of them are coming in here and calling SF people out as well?

It feels pretty sucky to put so much effort into a fight, only to have your opponent basically say “you didn’t do good, I’m just not ready for this at the moment cus of black friday”. That’s why you’ll see Dh players calling people out on here.

You are not the only people who have been preparing for this day, or at least tried to. We tried getting people interested in WvW, we had STAR transfer on over and work with CoSA, held weekly training events so that our group would finally be ready as well as holding raid nights, but when the time comes to actually deliver, I guess you’re as confused and disappointed as we are.

It’s pretty frustrating going from having a force to be reckoned with only to falter at the end of the season, knowing you have a group of individuals who are used to fighting groups much larger than themselves and able to take objectives no matter the size of the opposing force, only to have you guys see the force as it stands now and saying ‘Oh, you should have been there when we were in our prime’. Unfortunately, that’s how SF operates, apparently, the population’s interests shift every day.

I play it for fun, really, and the group of people I play with.

melodey.4652:

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popaz.1524:

DH knew very well that this would be a though week being the underdogs.

I had a lot of respect for SF coming into this match up but not so much anymore after seeing all the tears in this forum.

Being the person I am, I’m at least trying to find some sort of explanation of why we aren’t doing so well right now, so call it what you want; excuses, tears, whatever. Like I said in an earlier post, I’m not playing right now. Yet no matter what the reason, it doesn’t stop you guys from picking on us or saying that we’re making things up…so what’s the point of you guys trying to call us out? There isn’t one.

Sounds like the same old argument, different day. Surprised that people haven’t considered the fact we had two hard weeks against HoD and then have to fight DH on Black Friday. Kind of hard to get out of a corner when that’s where you end up starting, but hey, what do I know? Not a whole heck of a lot.

Okay, so I see two sides of this story; people arguing that Mr. Sparkles should be an exclusive and those who think this incentive is a good idea. Personally, I think a different item should have been subbed in instead of Mr. Sparkles, but I don’t really care about Minis. I was going to throw in $50 around the Christmas sale anyway because there are things I want. What I don’t seem to understand is how resistant and resentful people are about giving ArenaNet money. As much as I hate to say it, they still need to eat and upgrade the servers and the only way they can do that is with cash, not ‘gold’.

Wish I could play this week, but it’s the week before finals. Brb, killing self metaphorically.

The only thing I have a problem with is how ‘hard’ these mobs are. Yes, I put hard in quotes. The mobs themselves aren’t that difficult, the only thing that bothers me is how much CC they have. To an experienced player, you won’t have it as hard because you know about condition removal, stun breakers, etc. A new player wouldn’t have much of an idea at that point to use skills like that, nor would they have the points to invest into skills that will keep them alive. Just something to consider.

Striker.9413:

This item is made to assist bots hitting 100+ nodes/hr.

This. If you’re going to Ancient Wood/Ori farm, this isn’t for you. This is for the person who gathers a lot because it’s 33% per node. If you farm 100 nodes, you should get 33% more resources, but that’s always a ‘chance’ matter. RNG at work, people.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Gasoline.2570:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Players like me who buy Gems with real money, then trade the Gems for Gold slowly help to resupply the Gem count.

This explains so much. No wonder your stance toward the game is like so.

Indeed. I love this game, bugs and all. I support NCSoft, through Anet, because I like their product. And with the way the system is, without people like me who spend real money on Gems, other players couldn’t enjoy being able to trade in game currency for Gems for free.

I buy my gems too, but I don’t put gems back into the system, it isn’t worth the gold and people don’t seem too keen on understanding that basic concept. However, when it’s about 20 gold per 100, I’ll consider it.

ValeN.3129:

I dont see the problem, most stuff is soooo easy to telegraph.

They do telegraph their attacks but trying to get away from a group of five? Good luck.

Druss.6917:

Nikkinella.8254:

Zamiel.2130:

Zplus.4217:

WvW hacks? Where do we start?
Cross profession skills hack (eg. Elementalist who uses death shroud, warr who uses ele skills.)

Saw that today, an SOS warrior (had two warrior signets showing) using Mist Form.

That’s nothing, I got feared off a cliff by a thief from SoS. Since when can thieves use fear? There was no one else around except him. Also saw a necro yesterday who could use mesmer’s blink.

It’s possible the "steal’ you saw was another gap closer. Thieves can get fear from necros pretty reliably, and are smart to sit on it while roaming, especially near cliffs. Not saying he wasn’t hacking, but good chance it was just misidentified skill usage. As for the necro “blink” as you claimed it, if they put flesh wurm up somewhere, even if it is out of range, they can teleport back to the flesh wurm by destroying it. If it’s out of range though they won’t go all the way to it but it will appear to be a “blink”. A smart necro will also know how to use Dark path on a bunny or other ambient mob to get a free teleport away without going into combat.

Thieves get a ‘skull’ that will fear people when they steal. Believe me, I know.

Guardians also have Tome of Courage, which literally turns you into a healer but ok, topic is about the self-healing warrior.

Qiko.2461:

Thanks!

I was too late to edit. I just saw the vid too.

There is also Roll for Initative too, don’t forget that one.

Nikkinella.8254:

Madora.9340:

Alkaholic.3875:

How are either of these any better than melandru or whatev?

Thing is that they are limited to running very specific builds, like the 3-4 signet warrior. It just goes to benefit them and essentially makes the warrior a scrub class, you know, a class where you can go with the trashiest of builds and have zero skill yet outperform just about anyone.

Well are you really surprised by that? Warrior is Anet’s golden child. These things were probably designed specifically for warriors. I swear it’s devolved from a class that used to take a highly skilled person to be successful with to an easy mode joke class that even a blind chimpanzee could use to win against skilled players in other classes by bashing it’s face against the keyboard.

I don’t run signets, they’ll get your kitten killed in WvW if people know what they’re doing, but yeah, I know where you’re coming from.

Seems like you’re neglecting immobilizes…if you guys get stuck, you’re dead.

naphack.9346:

Madora.9340:

Engineers have several uses in a zerg fight. Elixir X helps out in a fight with the amount of CC’s it has, Mortar has many AoEs including a heal and a chill, the flamethrower (I believe) isn’t capped at five targets due to it being a cone of fire, piercing shots tag everyone in the ball, the glue shot immobilizes, etc. There are many uses.

Elixir X: I’d rather have the original.
Mortar: Stationary as hell. If a zerg runs over you, it will not be helpful at all.
Flamethrower: 3 hits times 10 ticks = 30 ticks of retaliation damage PER ATTACK SEQUENCE or 12 retal ticks per second.
Piercing shot: With pistol, up to 25 hits per shot, amounting to 25 potential retaliation ticks per attack, with a bit less than a second per attack, you can do the math.
Glue shot: I’d rather have muddy terrain.

On a sidenote: Without heal, 100 retaliation ticks equal your death, even in full PTV.
Let’s not even talk about what retaliation or reflect walls do to you when you use grenades.

On the other hand, I just thought of a cheesy trollstrat: Stack up on retaliation on 5 very tanky team mates(best, if your crit is as low as possible), stack at one spot and shoot your grenades right into the enemies reflect wall, then watch him die to your retaliation on the reflected projectiles.

I don’t really get hit with retaliation damage, but Self-Regulating Defenses seems to catch you if you get retaliated too hard. It’s all about paying attention to the zerg too, I mean, don’t sit there on your Mortar if the zerg is running your way, you’re just asking to be murdered.

I was lagging harder last night than I was before on HoD’s BL, specifically me against groups of five. Wouldn’t even give me a chance to pop invis and dodge before I was instantly down for no reason at all.

Engineers have several uses in a zerg fight. Elixir X helps out in a fight with the amount of CC’s it has, Mortar has many AoEs including a heal and a chill, the flamethrower (I believe) isn’t capped at five targets due to it being a cone of fire, piercing shots tag everyone in the ball, the glue shot immobilizes, etc. There are many uses.

Thieves aren’t usually meant to be in the zerg due to them being high burst damage against a single target. They’re handy for picking off the back line, but if they get caught in the frontline, well, they’re pretty much rally-bait.

Mesmers have their shatter abilities, along with Chaos Storm, Null Field, Portal, Veil, and a few other useful abilities but aren’t very useful other than that.

Ele’s have their fields to place, Necros boon-strip and Rangers have their AoE heal. Everyone has usefulness in a zerg but each class has varying degrees of usefulness.

Cymric.7368:

I hardly do pve stuff anymore and the Tower of nightmares reminded me why. Fighting the mobs in the tower solo and I get immobilized, daze, knock back again again and again.

I actually think its good to have some cc, make the skills “stand your ground” and “save yourselves” on my bar valuable. But when these skills are on CD and mobs still have enough skills to chain cc me, that just too annoying. Sure, my guardian is tanky enough to take the damage, survive and kill the mobs, but that experience isn’t enjoyable at all.

I don’t understand. Don’t ANet know that removing the control of a character from the player too often = Bad? This should be basic game design knowledge. Please enlighten me, why does ANet like CC so much?

Because it is a lazy way to make enemies more difficult without changing any of the base mechanics/animation/scripts. I’m running Cleric’s armor and trinkets and I’m still having difficulty taking on the mobs, even with Hallowed Ground, Hold the Line and Stand Your Ground.

Helly.2597:

I want to point out there is a reason I linked the wikipedia page for the skill. Its cause the page shows that the cd is 30s, which is reduced to 24s.

Hrm, I thought I looked at the wiki page as well, guess I was wrong. I’ll edit my posts to reflect that.

Alkaholic.3875:

How are either of these any better than melandru or whatev?

Thing is that they are limited to running very specific builds, like the 3-4 signet warrior. It just goes to benefit them and essentially makes the warrior a scrub class, you know, a class where you can go with the trashiest of builds and have zero skill yet outperform just about anyone.

Razor.9872:

Zaxares.5419:

Would have preferred to see the Abaddon fractal, but I voted for Kiel because I like her better than Evon.

Plus, Evon was just taking advantage the election to shill more of his stuff. (20% off Black Lion Keys? Really? Your reward for voting for you is getting me to lose more money on gambling??)

When you word it that way, it does sound bad. In another context, one could say he used the election as a time to show he is not afraid of self-sacrifice. He could potentially be losing a lot of money by offering that sale, but chose to go with it anyway. In addition, Evon is in many ways Just like Yomm. Unlike Kiel (the bland, overused, "good guy moral character), Evon actually has a decent character to build off of. He’s not the “evil businessman” everyone takes him to be. Again, he’s just like Yomm. There is a fine line between being greedy and resourceful; Evon walks that line resourcefully. His entire life experience is built around communication. He’s a decision maker, strategist, diplomat, and politician (not in the bad sense of the word). This is why he would have made a better council member than some half-wit cop with a moral complex. For the sake of adding more reasons, I will also say that, despite being a Charr (Charr have no gods), Evon decided to base a large majority of his campaign around the human gods — further proving his willingness to associate himself and work with all races of Tyria. This is what a Lion’s Arch council member must do; this is what Yomm did and what Evon could have done.

To be honest, we got to know Kiel about two or three months before Evon entered the picture and yeah, she was the stereotypical ‘good moral character’ but people go with what they know and they knew Kiel more than Evon, and so, went with Kiel. I’m sure we’ll get a chance to play the Abaddon fractal next year.

Helly.2597:

Madora.9340:

But even then, you’ve got what? Stand Your Ground (5 seconds, 60 sec cooldown, breaks stun), Hallowed Ground (10 sec, AoE, 6 sec cast, 80 sec cooldown), and Virtue of Courage (Only if you get the Master trait, 3 sec, 30 sec cooldown) are all Guardians have for that crucial boon which can be removed by a Necromancer. 3 things that grant 5-man groups stability that can easily be removed and do nothing against a group of 15 warriors with at least 2 stuns and a knockdown if they only equip hammers. Just thought I should put that down.

Not sure which guardians you’re running with, but I might question them about their lies about the Stand Your Ground cd. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Stand_your_ground. Not only that, but I’d be asking them why they aren’t running shouts cd reduction if you’re having stability trouble.

I decided to just use the flat CD rather than the reduction but still, it’s 24 seconds of waiting. How fast does Earthshaker recharge? What about Skullcrack? Then you got Staggering Blow, Backbreaker, Stomp, Kick, Bullrush, and Juggernaut and this is all just for a warrior mind you, this excludes any other classes’ CC’s.

And yet again Engineers are left in the cold.

Jorjeis.2169:

Or you could run in an organized group where you have guardians with multiple sources of stability.

Organization + skill should always win, end of story. GvG is about synergy; all the people asking for DR are just asking for devs to nerf the skill gap and need to stop.

But even then, you’ve got what? Stand Your Ground (5 seconds, 30 sec cooldown, breaks stun), Hallowed Ground (10 sec, AoE, 6 sec cast, 80 sec cooldown), and Virtue of Courage (Only if you get the Master trait, 3 sec, 30 sec cooldown) are all Guardians have for that crucial boon which can be removed by a Necromancer. 3 things that grant 5-man groups stability that can easily be removed and do nothing against a group of 15 warriors with at least 2 stuns and a knockdown if they only equip hammers. Just thought I should put that down.

Get into a hammer train where all warriors run hammers and the necros strip your stability. Guess you are kind of screwed, huh?

Don’t know how you guys can say making 80-100 gold is easy, but I seriously want to say you are part of the problem.

Well, stability does nothing to immobilize, you need condition cures for that one. I dodge, block, pop stability, everything and I still had quite a bit of difficulty with one of the bosses, the krait warlock I think. I too have tired from the CC spam by mobs and players alike, it’s getting ridiculous.

Kaon.7192:

Immobilize and Fear are much more powerful CC’s than Daze.

When Dazed you can still move and dodge, whereas when Immobilized or Feared you can do neither.

Fear, while being labeled a condition, is treated like a CC, as it should be, in that it’s breakable using a Stun breaker and not stackable (duration refreshes instead of stacking).

Immobilize needs to be treated the same way.

Yeah, not to mention that Fear can be followed up with Stun/Dazed as well.

apapercut.4312:

ptitminou.6489:

And this morning, [Dx] carried you guys to gain almost 20k thus rendering the 10k completely useless. Such is life on SF. Same ol’ same ol’.

There’s not much you can do about coverage other than recruiting so don’t dwell too much on total score. Instead, after every fight and every match-up ask if you and your group gave the best fight they could, if you were in the best place you could be, and if you learned anything to make the next one better. If the answer is yes to all then you’re already doing better than almost everybody else no matter what the points say.

Oh look, it’s the same ol’ advice we’ve been given from Yak’s Bend, Kaineing, etc. I’m thinking most of the PvE crowd got their WvW achievements but who knows, a lot run in with Berserker gear and just get wrecked, then rage-quit because things aren’t easy, or at least that’s the running theory.

Anyway, we do what we can and until A-Net actually puts something that allows us to hold on to our crap overnight, the same old thing will keep happening.

clint.5681:

Why is our thread so lame now

Because of constant chest bumping, the lame name, call-outs that have little substance behind them, lack of day/night coverage, elitists, etc.

Sagittia.2769:

clint.5681:

I dont even know whats happening in this thread anymore

Apparently SF or GoM has a party pooper and got all the Yo mama jokes removed and my account temp banned

Even Yo dada jokes are bad apparently. WAY TO GO GUYS!!! We lasted two threads with Yo mama jokes we play you guys and its infraction heaven!!!

~Devon

I don’t know, man, we had our two previous match-up threads locked. Seems like the mods are personally watching us, something that I don’t like.

Only if the number you get from 6% of your toughness and 4% of your vitality is less than 100.