Ascended gears will NOT be the final tier, since they said many times before that the legendarys will always have the same stat as the top tier ingame, another words when something “better” comes along legendarys will get buffed, again. And you can bet anything that those things will come.
Probably new level cap will be first, and that will obsolete all gear you have….so you can do it all over….again
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Its pretty clear what it is and what it isnt, except to some ignorant people (i choose to believe its “selective ignorance” in question).
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If I want to see every raid in WoW, can I just see a raid, without gearing up? How about most other MMOs.
Yes you can.
Get in the present, its obvious you talk about distant past (lack of experience)
Okay, if this changed, that’s fine. But that still doesn’t change my point about gear being required in MOST MMOs to do raid content. And if you don’t have that gear in MOST MMOs, you can’t do that content.
If you can deny this you’re not as experienced as you think.
Again, please stop talking about things you have NO CLUE about.
Insult away. It’s okay. I can take it.
You obviously can’t win an argument with actual information.
Its you who is completely out of loop and dont have ANY actual information.
Show me where I insulted you, or called you ignorant. The fact that you can’t converse like a civilized human being has been noted…and not just by me.
You should probably try to stick to talking about ideas instead of trying to malign people. It’s really not a good look.
Calling ignorant ignorant is what it is.
You have been explained at least 10 times about same thing and you just ignore it=ignorant.
Its pretty simple.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If I want to see every raid in WoW, can I just see a raid, without gearing up? How about most other MMOs.
Yes you can.
Get in the present, its obvious you talk about distant past (lack of experience)
Okay, if this changed, that’s fine. But that still doesn’t change my point about gear being required in MOST MMOs to do raid content. And if you don’t have that gear in MOST MMOs, you can’t do that content.
If you can deny this you’re not as experienced as you think.
Again, please stop talking about things you have NO CLUE about.
Insult away. It’s okay. I can take it.
You obviously can’t win an argument with actual information.
Its you who is completely out of loop and dont have ANY actual information.
Mabye if you get actual experience in other games you could say something tangible, but it seems that it is easier just being ignorant.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If I want to see every raid in WoW, can I just see a raid, without gearing up? How about most other MMOs.
Yes you can.
Get in the present, its obvious you talk about distant past (lack of experience)
Okay, if this changed, that’s fine. But that still doesn’t change my point about gear being required in MOST MMOs to do raid content. And if you don’t have that gear in MOST MMOs, you can’t do that content.
If you can deny this you’re not as experienced as you think.
Again, please stop talking about things you have NO CLUE about.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If I want to see every raid in WoW, can I just see a raid, without gearing up? How about most other MMOs.
Yes you can.
Get in the present, its obvious you talk about distant past (lack of experience) or more likely ignorance.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I on the other hand don’t mind changes. Hell if somebody play more than me, he deserves to have better stats than me. It’s not USSR where everybody is equal. If it’s in form of ascended gear I’m fine with that. Those things will be account bind so no pay to win also (some of ingredients will be buy-able but not all of the).
So legendaries are P2W.
Yes
Want to hear it from him since he went to elaborate how its “not P2W” without putting much thought in it.
Doubt well hear from him again though
My emphasis was on that more avid players deserve better gear. If they can muster time to gain necessary materials why not let them. We need to keep in mind that difference between exotic and ascended is not game breaking.
Why? Now go back about what they said about legendaries and your statement goes against everything they said. In fact they sold the game under “skill not gear”
In fact in competitive environment 10% (ascended gives much more) is HUGE.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I on the other hand don’t mind changes. Hell if somebody play more than me, he deserves to have better stats than me. It’s not USSR where everybody is equal. If it’s in form of ascended gear I’m fine with that. Those things will be account bind so no pay to win also (some of ingredients will be buy-able but not all of the).
So legendaries are P2W.
Pretty much. Most people are annoyed about Ascended gear not Legendarily items. I like idea of legendaries, idea of them being sold on market not so much.
BTW, all ingredients for ascended can be bought on TP except weapon itself, you can buy it all of TP and just craft 1 without any restrictions.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I on the other hand don’t mind changes. Hell if somebody play more than me, he deserves to have better stats than me. It’s not USSR where everybody is equal. If it’s in form of ascended gear I’m fine with that. Those things will be account bind so no pay to win also (some of ingredients will be buy-able but not all of the).
So legendaries are P2W.
Yes
Want to hear it from him since he went to elaborate how its “not P2W” without putting much thought in it.
Doubt well hear from him again though
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Will they be? I’m not sure they will, although I definitely hope so. And by attainable in WvW I mean with badges etc.
No.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I on the other hand don’t mind changes. Hell if somebody play more than me, he deserves to have better stats than me. It’s not USSR where everybody is equal. If it’s in form of ascended gear I’m fine with that. Those things will be account bind so no pay to win also (some of ingredients will be buy-able but not all of the).
So legendaries are P2W.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Simply put, you’re wrong. There are 8 dungeons in this game and every one of them can be done in rares…including every explorable path. Every boss in the open world can be done in rares. SPvP has nothing to do with your gear so that can be done. And even WvW, many people run around in rares.
And then we have the fractals. And yes, you can do the fractals up to level 20 with no agony resistance whatsoever. So if you want to see what the fractals are like you can play them. You can play them over and over again at lower levels. It’s only an issue if you want to do higher levels, but get this. The stuff you need to do level 20 fractals you can get from the fractals. It’s absolutely self-contained and doesn’t affect any other dungeon.
Now what MMRPG can you tell me is like that. Name one.
You see, your lack of experience shows. Every MMO released in last 5 years had dungeons (even raids) playable in “greens”.
Please, refrain from posting just for the sake of posting.
Slow down, cowboy. Way to miss a point.
I didn’t say that other games didn’t have dungeons you could or couldn’t do in greens. In your desire to discredit but, you didn’t understand what I said.
Try again. Other games have dungeons you can’t do without having the required gear. That’s the point. Let me give you a crystal clear example.
In Rift, in order to queue for a specific dungeon, I had to have the requisite stats. In order to get those stats I had to do OTHER DUNGEONS. And in order to raid I had to do specific dungeons to get the gear for those raids. And you couldn’t skip a raid and do the next raid.
Now I have a friend on these very forums who played Rift since launch and then had to work a lot. He couldn’t raid with his buddies. Storm Legion came out and he couldn’t be there. His guild moved on. Leveled up. Geared up. They were raiding. He comes back to the game a couple of month later and he can’t get 20 people he needs to do the old raid from his own guild. He was leveling up by himself. He couldn’t do the new content because he didn’t have the gear.
Contrast to this guy in my guild who came back after a four month break and ran Arah with us.
There aren’t many games you can do that. Sure you can sit and do old content with lower level gear, but you need to gear up to do newer content and that’s the difference.
If you can’t see this, that’s okay. I’m sure most other people have already understood what I’ve been saying.
You mean just like fractals.
Warning: ignorance reached critical level
Only thing your post is evidence is how crappy his guild is, nothing else. The only advice your friend need is to kick that guild and look for better one (one who takes care of their members just like we run low level fractals for our members, not because we enjoy it but because they cannot play without them and have to play catch up)
And, BTW, all dungeons and fractals are old content, been in game for a year now.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I"ll freely admit to being pretty critical of Anet on a lot of their design decisions and actions, but I for one welcome ascended gear. The bottom line is that exotics are far too easy to acquire, they’re essentially meaningless.
You mean just like the game was advertised and why most of the people bought the game?
And if i want vertical progression ill go to (back to) a game that does it much better (pretty much any other game).
And theres no such thing as “little vertical progression”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Wow… it may be a better idea to get a Legendary.. that way when the next tier of gear comes out (ultra-ascended, or whatever) you won’t have to grind yet again.
You now know why oulling out your CC and buying gems got much much more appeal than before….it goes against all they said legendaries would be – just a skin.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Simply put, you’re wrong. There are 8 dungeons in this game and every one of them can be done in rares…including every explorable path. Every boss in the open world can be done in rares. SPvP has nothing to do with your gear so that can be done. And even WvW, many people run around in rares.
And then we have the fractals. And yes, you can do the fractals up to level 20 with no agony resistance whatsoever. So if you want to see what the fractals are like you can play them. You can play them over and over again at lower levels. It’s only an issue if you want to do higher levels, but get this. The stuff you need to do level 20 fractals you can get from the fractals. It’s absolutely self-contained and doesn’t affect any other dungeon.
Now what MMRPG can you tell me is like that. Name one.
You see, your lack of experience shows. Every MMO released in last 5 years had dungeons (even raids) playable in “greens”.
Please, refrain from posting just for the sake of posting.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Well there’s always Group Dynamic Events that you’re short-handed for…
Ascended gear should in theory give those less populated servers a shot assuming they’ve always had the skill to pull them off yet fell just short of the DPS check…
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Well it was also a timesink between exotic and legendary but given they use some of the same mats that statement has been rendered false.
Source plz?? … Linsey in the last livestream very specifically was ignoring the questions about the progress they’re making on Precursors being attainable through non-RNG means. Then she finally answered that they have no news or updates on that, as if nothing’s changed one bit from a year ago. Which is not the least bit surprising after all the other promises they’ve thrown away just to push even more Skinner Box on us.
Its not in their interest to make precursors available that way any more….
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
But a treadmill, by definition, never ends. So if legendary is the final tier, then it can’t be a treadmill, because it’s final. That’s a definition.
You can call a bird a stone, but a bird isn’t a stone.
Legendary is not a gear tier. Legendary is a prestige skin. Legendary stats are not different than the stats of whatever the highest tier is. Thus, it cannot be thought of as a final tier. If ANet never adds another tier beyond Ascended, then Ascended would be the highest tier. We don’t yet know if that will or won’t be the case.
No definition of treadmill that I can find includes “never ends” as part of it. A treadmill does include an endless belt as one of its components. The belt is important to the treadmill’s function, but it is not the purpose of the treadmill.
That said, the function of a treadmill is to allow or cause the user to walk in place. However, the purpose of a treadmill is not to be “always on.” It is to power something or get health results. The purpose of a gear treadmill in an MMO is to promote the game’s longevity in the face of players who desire to play the game a lot. That is the purpose of Ascended.
Sometimes, people argue about the meaning of words to sidetrack from the real issues being discussed. I prefer to talk about purpose and intent rather than about whether a word that has been altered to fit a particular context is being used “properly” or not. The rapid evolution of words in popular culture means that their meaning cannot be set in stone. Thus, discussing the meanings of words is important in discourse so we know what each other is talking about. However, that discussion should be tangential to the real issues, rather than being used as a means to win an argument.
Legendary is a final tier, because Anet has said if you get a legendary it will be equal to the final tier of gear. I have a legendary trident on my necro and a legendary rifle on my engineer.
That means the day this new tier goes life, I have top tier gear without grinding or farming. You can say it’s not a tier all you want…but it works as a tier. And therefore, it’s not a treadmill, or wouldn’t be if ascended armor works the same way.
I see you ignored the rest of my post. Nice dodge of the real issues in favor of more arguments about semantics.
Okay I didn’t think I’d have to respond to the rest of it, because it makes no sense.
What is a treadmill? It’s something you walk on and you get nowhere. Why do you get nowhere…because it’s just the illusion of progression. This is why it’s called a treadmill. By definition it has no end, because companies keep coming out with gear. I’m pretty sure that most people understand that.
A treadmill isn’t doing something until you get to the end, because if you can get to the end, it’s not a treadmill.
I didn’t have a lot of time when I responded to the first part of your post, and I have more time now…so explain to me.
How is a treadmill something the stops. Because saying the definition doesn’t include endless blows my mind completely. That’s the whole point of using a treadmill as an analogy. If they wanted an end they’d have used an escalator.
Treadmill is used because it perfectly fits in WoW and its clones and in GW2 now.
You get a lot of crap thrown at you and you go nowhere just walking in place. But if you stop walking you fall off.
You should get a bit more experience in MMOs before trying to discuss.
But then ignorance is bliss for you.
More insults from a guy who doesn’t have a valid point to make.
I have people in my guild who aren’t on the gear treadmill. They’re not on the achievement point treadmill. They log in, they do a few things, they log out. Easy right.
Some of those people have run the occasional dungeon with me, including Arah.
I’d love to see this in other games. Someone that doesn’t log in, doesn’t gear up, and tries to run the current raid or even the current dungeon. It’s not possible in most games…it is possible here.
With the exception of high level fractals, which were designed for grinders specifically, can you explain to me what content is denied people wearing rares. I’d really like to know.
“With the exception…blah blah blah”
In raid centric games you can run pretty much anything casually….with the exception of latest raids.
All the games you mention have all the things you mention. Games have evolved quite a bit, in fact most of them do it much better than GW2.
Warning: Level of ignorance reaching critical level
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
and this is y gw2 ( guild wars 2) became gw2 ( grind wars 2). seriously look at all that kitten u need for ascended items, nothing is skill based and its a bunch of grind grind grind grind grind. this game is becoming f***in garbage bc of all the f***in grind they r adding. WHERE THE F*** R THE CHALLENGES TO GET ASCENDED ITEMS?! there is none everything is kittenin grind grind grind grind grind grind grind grind GRIND! this game is becoming f***** up.
Skill based stuff is coming. They’ve been testing the waters with things like Liadri. As for the grind, yes, sadly, that’s what many players want. If you have any suggestions for A-net,I’m sure they’d love to hear them in the suggestion forum.
I hope ur right about that. Ive suggested many things but anet doesnt listen. the best way to have dealt with ascended armour was to give them the same stats as exotics but just give them a few infusion slots. this will not force ppl to get ascended items if they do not want to do fractals and will allow those who want to max/farm fractals to do so. gw2 was a mmo where u can get to max lvl gear urself out in exotic and take a 4 months break if u wanted, then come back and not be behind anyone. ascended items ruined that, and by the looks of it kitten is going to be expensive which = more grind grind grind grind and GRIND!
Well, sort of. Keep in mind that ascended will be the last teir A-net implements forever (at least for years). In addition, you’re not being forced to get this stuff, unless you want to do high lvled fractals or WvW. Because of this, you can go at your own pace — there is no need to grind. That’s what I’ve been doing since launch, and I’m only a precursor and a few T6 mats away from Frostfang. I’ve only really grinded once or twice, and that was because I felt like doing so. Personally, I’m going to take my time getting ascended weapons, and only work on them as I have the resources to do so.
Really? You work for ANet or sumeing?
They said you wont get new tier….THIS YEAR. Next..probably, eithr that or level cap raise to obsolete all your gear.
Of course, there will also be new infusions, infusions are at blue tier so quite a bit of room for grind there and sigils/runes, and then some more infusions.
Enjoy, because from now on most of your time will be spent by chasing ever bigger and bigger stats.
aka gear tradmill.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
wow big kittenin deal, i already have ascended trinkets and an ascended weapon isn’t gonna make too much of a difference.
and with all the crafting you have to do to get it i’m not even gonna bother getting ascended weapons. i’ll stick with exotics and still spank scrubs with dual legendaries in wvw.
Ye, seems that “spanking scrubs” is the pinnacle of your game.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I skimmed over the messages in this thread and didn’t see anyone talk about this..
If the ascended weapons were not time gated, the economic impact of the mad rush of people trying to make them on the first day would be overwhelming.
I suggest that this is likely the most important rationale for it.
Is that not the fault of the developers making it so that there will only be one avenue to getting these weapons? They even said several times with all of the other Ascended item discussions that they want players to be able to obtain the gear in several ways, and yet they keep releasing them with one way to get them.
The game is now on single path.
In the end, introducing one “true way” and one “crap way” is not really good.
They just removed “crap way” out of the picture.
Oh, btw, some things will “drop full ascended weapons”. Guess “crap way” is not out of the picture lol, but you better have been winning lottery/gambling a lot if you hope to actually get one (…cough…precursors…cough…)
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
But a treadmill, by definition, never ends. So if legendary is the final tier, then it can’t be a treadmill, because it’s final. That’s a definition.
You can call a bird a stone, but a bird isn’t a stone.
Legendary is not a gear tier. Legendary is a prestige skin. Legendary stats are not different than the stats of whatever the highest tier is. Thus, it cannot be thought of as a final tier. If ANet never adds another tier beyond Ascended, then Ascended would be the highest tier. We don’t yet know if that will or won’t be the case.
No definition of treadmill that I can find includes “never ends” as part of it. A treadmill does include an endless belt as one of its components. The belt is important to the treadmill’s function, but it is not the purpose of the treadmill.
That said, the function of a treadmill is to allow or cause the user to walk in place. However, the purpose of a treadmill is not to be “always on.” It is to power something or get health results. The purpose of a gear treadmill in an MMO is to promote the game’s longevity in the face of players who desire to play the game a lot. That is the purpose of Ascended.
Sometimes, people argue about the meaning of words to sidetrack from the real issues being discussed. I prefer to talk about purpose and intent rather than about whether a word that has been altered to fit a particular context is being used “properly” or not. The rapid evolution of words in popular culture means that their meaning cannot be set in stone. Thus, discussing the meanings of words is important in discourse so we know what each other is talking about. However, that discussion should be tangential to the real issues, rather than being used as a means to win an argument.
Legendary is a final tier, because Anet has said if you get a legendary it will be equal to the final tier of gear. I have a legendary trident on my necro and a legendary rifle on my engineer.
That means the day this new tier goes life, I have top tier gear without grinding or farming. You can say it’s not a tier all you want…but it works as a tier. And therefore, it’s not a treadmill, or wouldn’t be if ascended armor works the same way.
I see you ignored the rest of my post. Nice dodge of the real issues in favor of more arguments about semantics.
Okay I didn’t think I’d have to respond to the rest of it, because it makes no sense.
What is a treadmill? It’s something you walk on and you get nowhere. Why do you get nowhere…because it’s just the illusion of progression. This is why it’s called a treadmill. By definition it has no end, because companies keep coming out with gear. I’m pretty sure that most people understand that.
A treadmill isn’t doing something until you get to the end, because if you can get to the end, it’s not a treadmill.
I didn’t have a lot of time when I responded to the first part of your post, and I have more time now…so explain to me.
How is a treadmill something the stops. Because saying the definition doesn’t include endless blows my mind completely. That’s the whole point of using a treadmill as an analogy. If they wanted an end they’d have used an escalator.
Treadmill is used because it perfectly fits in WoW and its clones and in GW2 now.
You get a lot of crap thrown at you and you go nowhere just walking in place. But if you stop walking you fall off.
You should get a bit more experience in MMOs before trying to discuss.
But then ignorance is bliss for you.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I reluctantly accepted the introduction of the Ascended bullcrap a while ago, but I’m not gonna accept another step in this direction once the armors & weapons are released. No levelcap increase and no stupid “stronger infusions” they mentioned back in november.
I guess that depends on what they mean by “stronger” infusions, really. If they just mean that infusions will have +10 AR instead of +5 AR so that groups can progress to even deeper levels… I really don’t see a problem with that.
Now if they mean +10 Power or Precision instead of +5… then maybe that could add up to be a problem.
+11 stat infusions have already been datamined. They will be here, probably before ascended armor.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I skimmed over the messages in this thread and didn’t see anyone talk about this..
If the ascended weapons were not time gated, the economic impact of the mad rush of people trying to make them on the first day would be overwhelming.
I suggest that this is likely the most important rationale for it.
People already stockpiled mats. The crap will hit the fan when majority actually find out what exactly is needed.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You just draw a line little higher than some of us.
But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.
You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.
There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.
If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.
To you its worth it.To others nope…………
To those they quit or QQ on the forum or deal with it.
Given that this is an MMORPG forum, QQ will be the chosen route which comes with feeling better about yourself instead of moving on like an adult and a little of a circle jerking.
If you dont like the forums dont participate and move on.
Adult person would do that instead whining about it.
The only thing worse than QQing is QQing about QQing.
I don’t particularly hate the forums, so your point is well pointless.
Also you should learn the difference between whining and complaining.
however, I might take your advice and won’t bother with the main discussion threads. After all it is full of players that can’t simply accept that Arenanet is appealing to an different AND BIGGER audience than them. Nothing more fun to watch that desperate MMO players.
Anyways, have fun with ascended gears or the QQ about Ascended gear or quitting and not moving on.
Ahhh, so when you whine its complaining but when others complain its whining.
More baseless statements aint of use to anyone.
Take you own advice, move on and show us youre bigger man than us.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You just draw a line little higher than some of us.
But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.
You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.
There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.
If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.
To you its worth it.To others nope…………
To those they quit or QQ on the forum or deal with it.
Given that this is an MMORPG forum, QQ will be the chosen route which comes with feeling better about yourself instead of moving on like an adult and a little of a circle jerking.
If you dont like the forums dont participate and move on.
Adult person would do that instead whining about it.
The only thing worse than QQing is QQing about QQing.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Actually it seems ANet has hired last guy, he starts at 32:00, its pretty much how GW2 has “evolved”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I tear up people in wvw who are undoubtedly geared with ascended trinkets and full exo when I’m in my under leveled char. Ascended trinkets aren’t going to break anything. Period. Skill determines the outcome, not the gear. I can’t believe the outrage people are in over this.
No matter how you rationalize it, all you whiners and wannabe developers will never get everything you want. Don’t like it? Go play something else. If you’re gonna stay than kitten up.
So boasting about pwning bads/upleveld is now measure of something?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You just draw a line little higher than some of us.
But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.
You are right my line is a little higher than some of you, but apparently so it is the same for the majority of MMORPG and possibly guild wars 2 players. Arenanet had 1 year to decide whether to go through it and the fact that they haven’t backed down only shows that the line is higher for the majority than you guys. The reality is not everybody is going to like the changes to the game, but Arenanet apparently seem confident that it wont backfire on them. As a matter of fact very few actually know what they want.
There is no evidence that this new change will lead to infinite progression like WoW or DCUO, but I digress.
If I am not having fun then I will quit the game. I have left MMOs that I thought were not fun and guild wars 2 is applicable IF i don’t think it is fun, but you know what? I have played the game for over 1000 hours for the small payment of 60 bucks (equivalent to 6 long island Ice at a decent club) so I got my fun and money’s worth.
You represent only you and noone else.
Majority is still oblivious of the changes and implications this will have.
Ive never said i regret playing GW2 up to this point. Its been a fun 1000 hours. Without need for bigger stats. In fact ingame i havent met anyone whose complaint was “i dont get gear tradmill so i quit”.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
There won’t be another gear set. Here’s why: see the image below? That’s a CMYK color wheel. ANet starts their gear out with Cyan, moves to Green? Then Yellow, Red (actually a red-orange), Magenta (ascended), and blue (which is actually blue-violet AKA Legendaries). They’ve got both the primary and secondary colors, and now there’s nothing else to add.
..Thus ends this terrible argument that there will be any kind of gear treadmill. You can see from the gap at launch, which was missing magenta, that ascended gear was planned far before launch during the initial colorizing of gearsets.
Ill bet you next tier will be teal
So you’re saying that there will be a tier above legendary? Not likely.
Well, until level cap they will just raise legendary to new stats just like ascended. They made legendaries tradable for a reason. Imagine how much $$ is potentionally 1 legendary worth
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
There won’t be another gear set. Here’s why: see the image below? That’s a CMYK color wheel. ANet starts their gear out with Cyan, moves to Green? Then Yellow, Red (actually a red-orange), Magenta (ascended), and blue (which is actually blue-violet AKA Legendaries). They’ve got both the primary and secondary colors, and now there’s nothing else to add.
..Thus ends this terrible argument that there will be any kind of gear treadmill. You can see from the gap at launch, which was missing magenta, that ascended gear was planned far before launch during the initial colorizing of gearsets.
Ill bet you next tier will be teal
Though i suppose level cap may came in first obsoleting all your gear, no matter what you wear. At some point in gear treadmill you just reset crap becuse of new players.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So you ground out stuff. And you were happy to ground out stuff.
I got the max titles for the skills so I could have BIS skills on many characters including Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Deldrimor and Ebon Vanguard.
And if you say those skills didn’t mean a whole lot more to GW 1 PvE than BIS gear here, I’d say you were dead wrong. Do you know why Anet limited those skills to 3 per skill bar? Because even with three you were too OP to play normal content. If you could have 5 or 6 of those skills you’d be unbeatable.
So you say over and over again my gear was the best, but your skills weren’t. And yet somehow that’s okay with you. The question is why are skills and grinding out that different from gear.
I say it’s in your head.
I didn’t completely answer your question when you asked me the same thing so I thought about it a bit more.
The biggest difference I see between the EotN skills and Ascended gear is that the skills did not replace something that players previously did or earned. They did not make anything else purchased obsolete. While some people may feel Exotics are cheap and easy to obtain, not everyone feels that way and is one of the reasons they may complain about the added vertical progression.
Another thing is that the PvE skills were named that because they were not allowed in any form of PvP. That is also not the case for Ascended gear and is why some of the WvW crowd is upset. Especially as that gear was not available at the same time in that game mode.
The last thing that came to mind is that GW1 was very dependent on specific builds. Some builds took advantage of PvE skills, others did not. Gear is not optional. Everyone has to wear it. It will affect every event, challenge, build decision, etc. Many outcomes and decisions are impacted by a gear change.
I’ll see if I can stir up any additional thoughts.
Anet seperated PvP into WvW and SPvP and said, from the very beginning, WvW was never meant to be balanced. That’s why gear is allowed in WvW.
I don’t think exotics are so expensive that it’s such an issue that we have to replace them…particularly because the content doesn’t require it to be replaced.
As for the skills in Guild Wars 1…they were still more neccesary (or at least they’ll make a bigger difference in the long term, than ascended weapons will.
Thats why youll see “transended” weapons next year. Its a gear tremill, no point in denying it.
Sorry but without the content requiring the upgrade it’s not a treadmill. If I don’t need that gear to play the game…then it’s not a treadmill.
I played Rift. I needed a specific amount of focus to queue for a dungeon. Not to beat it…to queue for it.
That’s why I say it’s not a treadmill. In games with gear treadmills there’s a new tier of gear every 3-4 months. If Anet introduced a tier of gear every year and a half, slowly in stages, I wouldn’t call it a treadmill.
Really, so you claim they will just raise stats until you go around one-shotting everything you come across. rofl
Its a treadmill. Like pretty much any other MMO out there. Diference is that pretty much any other MMO out there does it better than GW2.
I don’t play other MMOs because I think they do it badly. You’re entitled to your opinion of course. But just because something has slight vertical progression doesn’t make it a treadmill.
After all, there was already vertical progression in the game from day one, and no one said a word about it. Rare 80 to Exotic 80 is vertical progression.
Ignorance is bliss i suppose.
Lots of people resort to insults when faced with a truth they don’t know how to deal with. Have a good night.
Bye.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So you ground out stuff. And you were happy to ground out stuff.
I got the max titles for the skills so I could have BIS skills on many characters including Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Deldrimor and Ebon Vanguard.
And if you say those skills didn’t mean a whole lot more to GW 1 PvE than BIS gear here, I’d say you were dead wrong. Do you know why Anet limited those skills to 3 per skill bar? Because even with three you were too OP to play normal content. If you could have 5 or 6 of those skills you’d be unbeatable.
So you say over and over again my gear was the best, but your skills weren’t. And yet somehow that’s okay with you. The question is why are skills and grinding out that different from gear.
I say it’s in your head.
I didn’t completely answer your question when you asked me the same thing so I thought about it a bit more.
The biggest difference I see between the EotN skills and Ascended gear is that the skills did not replace something that players previously did or earned. They did not make anything else purchased obsolete. While some people may feel Exotics are cheap and easy to obtain, not everyone feels that way and is one of the reasons they may complain about the added vertical progression.
Another thing is that the PvE skills were named that because they were not allowed in any form of PvP. That is also not the case for Ascended gear and is why some of the WvW crowd is upset. Especially as that gear was not available at the same time in that game mode.
The last thing that came to mind is that GW1 was very dependent on specific builds. Some builds took advantage of PvE skills, others did not. Gear is not optional. Everyone has to wear it. It will affect every event, challenge, build decision, etc. Many outcomes and decisions are impacted by a gear change.
I’ll see if I can stir up any additional thoughts.
Anet seperated PvP into WvW and SPvP and said, from the very beginning, WvW was never meant to be balanced. That’s why gear is allowed in WvW.
I don’t think exotics are so expensive that it’s such an issue that we have to replace them…particularly because the content doesn’t require it to be replaced.
As for the skills in Guild Wars 1…they were still more neccesary (or at least they’ll make a bigger difference in the long term, than ascended weapons will.
Thats why youll see “transended” weapons next year. Its a gear tremill, no point in denying it.
Sorry but without the content requiring the upgrade it’s not a treadmill. If I don’t need that gear to play the game…then it’s not a treadmill.
I played Rift. I needed a specific amount of focus to queue for a dungeon. Not to beat it…to queue for it.
That’s why I say it’s not a treadmill. In games with gear treadmills there’s a new tier of gear every 3-4 months. If Anet introduced a tier of gear every year and a half, slowly in stages, I wouldn’t call it a treadmill.
Really, so you claim they will just raise stats until you go around one-shotting everything you come across. rofl
Its a treadmill. Like pretty much any other MMO out there. Diference is that pretty much any other MMO out there does it better than GW2.
I don’t play other MMOs because I think they do it badly. You’re entitled to your opinion of course. But just because something has slight vertical progression doesn’t make it a treadmill.
After all, there was already vertical progression in the game from day one, and no one said a word about it. Rare 80 to Exotic 80 is vertical progression.
Ignorance is bliss i suppose.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So you ground out stuff. And you were happy to ground out stuff.
I got the max titles for the skills so I could have BIS skills on many characters including Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Deldrimor and Ebon Vanguard.
And if you say those skills didn’t mean a whole lot more to GW 1 PvE than BIS gear here, I’d say you were dead wrong. Do you know why Anet limited those skills to 3 per skill bar? Because even with three you were too OP to play normal content. If you could have 5 or 6 of those skills you’d be unbeatable.
So you say over and over again my gear was the best, but your skills weren’t. And yet somehow that’s okay with you. The question is why are skills and grinding out that different from gear.
I say it’s in your head.
I didn’t completely answer your question when you asked me the same thing so I thought about it a bit more.
The biggest difference I see between the EotN skills and Ascended gear is that the skills did not replace something that players previously did or earned. They did not make anything else purchased obsolete. While some people may feel Exotics are cheap and easy to obtain, not everyone feels that way and is one of the reasons they may complain about the added vertical progression.
Another thing is that the PvE skills were named that because they were not allowed in any form of PvP. That is also not the case for Ascended gear and is why some of the WvW crowd is upset. Especially as that gear was not available at the same time in that game mode.
The last thing that came to mind is that GW1 was very dependent on specific builds. Some builds took advantage of PvE skills, others did not. Gear is not optional. Everyone has to wear it. It will affect every event, challenge, build decision, etc. Many outcomes and decisions are impacted by a gear change.
I’ll see if I can stir up any additional thoughts.
Anet seperated PvP into WvW and SPvP and said, from the very beginning, WvW was never meant to be balanced. That’s why gear is allowed in WvW.
I don’t think exotics are so expensive that it’s such an issue that we have to replace them…particularly because the content doesn’t require it to be replaced.
As for the skills in Guild Wars 1…they were still more neccesary (or at least they’ll make a bigger difference in the long term, than ascended weapons will.
Thats why youll see “transended” weapons next year. Its a gear tremill, no point in denying it.
Sorry but without the content requiring the upgrade it’s not a treadmill. If I don’t need that gear to play the game…then it’s not a treadmill.
I played Rift. I needed a specific amount of focus to queue for a dungeon. Not to beat it…to queue for it.
That’s why I say it’s not a treadmill. In games with gear treadmills there’s a new tier of gear every 3-4 months. If Anet introduced a tier of gear every year and a half, slowly in stages, I wouldn’t call it a treadmill.
Really, so you claim they will just raise stats until you go around one-shotting everything you come across. rofl
Its a treadmill. Like pretty much any other MMO out there. Diference is that pretty much any other MMO out there does it better than GW2.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So you ground out stuff. And you were happy to ground out stuff.
I got the max titles for the skills so I could have BIS skills on many characters including Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn, Asura, Deldrimor and Ebon Vanguard.
And if you say those skills didn’t mean a whole lot more to GW 1 PvE than BIS gear here, I’d say you were dead wrong. Do you know why Anet limited those skills to 3 per skill bar? Because even with three you were too OP to play normal content. If you could have 5 or 6 of those skills you’d be unbeatable.
So you say over and over again my gear was the best, but your skills weren’t. And yet somehow that’s okay with you. The question is why are skills and grinding out that different from gear.
I say it’s in your head.
I didn’t completely answer your question when you asked me the same thing so I thought about it a bit more.
The biggest difference I see between the EotN skills and Ascended gear is that the skills did not replace something that players previously did or earned. They did not make anything else purchased obsolete. While some people may feel Exotics are cheap and easy to obtain, not everyone feels that way and is one of the reasons they may complain about the added vertical progression.
Another thing is that the PvE skills were named that because they were not allowed in any form of PvP. That is also not the case for Ascended gear and is why some of the WvW crowd is upset. Especially as that gear was not available at the same time in that game mode.
The last thing that came to mind is that GW1 was very dependent on specific builds. Some builds took advantage of PvE skills, others did not. Gear is not optional. Everyone has to wear it. It will affect every event, challenge, build decision, etc. Many outcomes and decisions are impacted by a gear change.
I’ll see if I can stir up any additional thoughts.
Anet seperated PvP into WvW and SPvP and said, from the very beginning, WvW was never meant to be balanced. That’s why gear is allowed in WvW.
I don’t think exotics are so expensive that it’s such an issue that we have to replace them…particularly because the content doesn’t require it to be replaced.
As for the skills in Guild Wars 1…they were still more neccesary (or at least they’ll make a bigger difference in the long term, than ascended weapons will.
Thats why youll see “transended” weapons next year. Its a gear tremill, no point in denying it.
And introducing even more imbalance is….fun or sumting?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
What YOU don’t understand is that the majority of players seem to want some form of gear progression or stuff to work on. The most important thing YOU fail to understand is, they gave you a year to come to terms with it, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. No amount of forum QQ from a very small and insignificant subset of gamers that cling to a idealogy that the greater market rejected is going to change that.
Arenanet made a big open game and thought players were going to enjoy it and that was proven wrong within the first week WHEN players like myself rushed to 80 and a few others continously ran all the dungeons got their rewards and start complaining about the lack of ENDGAME (well I mainly rushed for money and WvW reasons). These are all facts you cannot deny.
The current trajectory is a different than what Arenanet anticipated, but it is the nature of making a mass market product. You either adopt or go out of business clingying to a idealogy that has proven unsustainable in the market you are attempting to compete in and they choose the adult
tl;dr
YOU fail to understand that complaining on the forum is not going to change the reality that ascended gear is going. They gave you 1 year to accept this inevitability.
all you can do is provide suggestions that steer them from the way you acquire ascended gear, but make no mistake it is coming. You either accept it or quit.
You admit to being a content locust and then defend the decision to add vertical progression. I don’t mean to be rude but you are the type of player that GW2 was attempting to change the mindset of.
And I think you underestimate the numbers of players that are the opposite type of player than you are. The minority speaking up about ascended is not just a handful of players.
Actually, I don’t admit to being a content locus I made a conscious decision based on WvW. A content locus is someone who burns though content and demand more, I haven’t even gone through half the content. Still havent done legendary (wont), havent done dungeons, doesn’t grind for anything except recently doing QG and invasions. My biggest issues are all pvp related anyways.
Actually, I hate gear based games my reason for burning through content was for another game mode, but i am not naive enough to delude myself into thinking everyone else does. I quit a lot MMO because they became work and guild wars 2 will follow that path if I deem it so, but I don’t react based on speculation nor do I care enough about alts to worry about them.
While you might be right that I am underestimating the players that hate vertical progression, you wrong that they are sufficient enough to sustain the game at the level Arenanet deems it so. hence why they have been improving rewards, hence why they added fractures, hence why are adding ascended gear.
Anyways, ultimately the difference between me and you is I don’t inherently hate vertical progression, I do hate it IF it is infinite and requires constant changing and guild wars 2 doesnt. I especially hate it when content requires keeping up with vertical progression and guild wars 2 doesn’t fit that bill, YET.
You just draw a line little higher than some of us.
But, vertical progression is infinite by definition, and they said they dont intend to stop it
But they wont vertically progress until you will go around one-shotting everything, at some point you will HAVE TO enter the treadmill so, from pragmatic standpoint its better to enter it now than be left behind when it happens.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Ascended gear stats advantage over exotics is 5%. Thats 70% if your enemy have all ascended gears. My only problem in ascended gear are the materials on getting them. If we could actually get another way of getting those, that would be nice later on. But I think this progress is necessary in any MMO and I hope ANET see that a lot of people aren’t into grinding these and help us out a little bit.
They will help you by:
Adding new +11 infusions you will have to grind
Adding ascended armor that youll have to grind
Adding ascended sigils/runes you will have to grind
And adding a new tier of gear so you can do it all over again just to be in the same place yo were before they added ascended.
Enjoy this ultimattley “deep” and “engaing” world.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
What is your point? Those companies made decisions based on what they thought was in their best interest. Did they not get it ‘right’ yes. LOTRO is still one of the best crafted games out there, SWG I don’t play. My point was that you personally have zero say in what happens to a game, accept it or not.
So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.
Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.
Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.
Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl
I also had zero personal say in those games, yet everything i said BEFORE craptastic desicions were made proceeded to be true.
Yes i only have intrisic staisfaction of saying “i told you so” (like many out there who enjoyed playing those games but were crapped on by devs)
Unfortunately for you i do much more responsible and important job. Intrisic value you know (i doubt you know what it means).
You are the target audience for GW2. Gratz?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
What is your point? Those companies made decisions based on what they thought was in their best interest. Did they not get it ‘right’ yes. LOTRO is still one of the best crafted games out there, SWG I don’t play. My point was that you personally have zero say in what happens to a game, accept it or not.
So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.
Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.
Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.
Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl
I also had zero personal say in those games, yet everything i said BEFORE craptastic desicions were made proceeded to be true.
Yes i only have intrisic staisfaction of saying “i told you so” (like many out there who enjoyed playing those games but were crapped on by devs)
Unfortunately for you i do much more responsible and important job. Intrisic value you know (i doubt you know what it means).
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
What is your point? Those companies made decisions based on what they thought was in their best interest. Did they not get it ‘right’ yes. LOTRO is still one of the best crafted games out there, SWG I don’t play. My point was that you personally have zero say in what happens to a game, accept it or not.
So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.
Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.
Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.
Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl
I also had zero personal say in those games, yet everything i said BEFORE craptastic desicions proceeded to be true.
Yes i only have intrisic satisfaction of saying “i told you so” (like many out there who enjoyed playing those games but were crapped on by devs)
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.
Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.
Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.
Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl
Indeed. What happened to SWG can happen to any of these games. Game companies seem to think their decisions are made of gold plated adamantium with unobtainium rivets. It’s one thing for players to suggest what they do want, it’s another to not listen and not implement something they really don’t want.
I guess we will see. Sometimes you have to learn by doing. Took me a few hours to check out other MMO’s in preparation of me making my decision to stay or leave. I may have fun in game and have got my monies worth, but I usually speak with attendance on whether I accept the direction a game goes. If a game has a sub then I speak with my wallet too. I left SWG, WoW, Vanguard, WAR, AOC and SWTOR on a whim because of a few decisions made by devs and their companies, even when I was having fun.
After finding some live games I could venture off too, I once again came across some upcoming titles that look very promising. Icarus/Bless/BnS and Black Desert.
Oh yes, forgot about SWTOR, biggest failure in MMO industry, where 3 “major” companies (BW, EA and LA) thought they had a “WoW killer on a plate”. EA paid 800 000 000 dollars just to buy Bioware+all ongoing costs (300 000 000 dollars to produce+running expenses).
Yah, im sure those also have “Taken it into account” rofl
Man, i wish they hadnt wiped SWTORs pre-launch forums so everyone could see how many people told them thakittens going to fail. It would be a fantastic case-study now.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
i’m very happy of this patch. Finally something that can be crafted and can be as cool as a precursor. I think ppl complaining here have a pair of Dusk at the TP
btw: MMO needs to change constantly. when a wow expansion came out, you just throw away ur current gear.
I find fun in getting better equips, much more then showing the same old ones from 2012 ’till the end of times.
And i never bothered crafting before these patch news!
Except getting this gear takes a couple of things called time and effort. And I doubt anyone liked the fact that as soon as Cata came out, their ICC25 Heroic Gear was 110% obselete compared to Cata Green Quest gear, and vice versa. I’m using the Cata example because it’s the one I recall most clearly, but Im guessing you get my point.
How would you feel if you spent a month farming for a pair of Ilyas, a Vision of the Mists, and a full set of Arah Explorable armor? Ascended Gear says “Hi, nice job wasting your time, Come find me m8” and gives you the middle finger and walks away. That’s what people are irritated by. And whilst I don’t recall if Anet intended to make the game this way, I can say I’ve heard numerous people say that they joined gw2 under the impression that they would be free of the shackles of a vertical progression.
but the thing is, those weapons you mentioned are still viable. i mean, player’s have been doing just fine without them. the main thing people tend to forget is that ascended weapons were made for fractals. that’s the only place where it would be imperative to have them.
Then make ascended gear only usable in fractals.
I mean, those are completely pointless outside, amirite?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
So much panic, so much over the top screaming. If you play the game after the introduction and don’t like it fine. If it becomes a question of the zerg with the better stats (funny in itself) ‘winning’ then complain.
The thing it that they have already done what you are telling them not to do. There is zero chance that the people responsible for the game will suddenly say Tuesday morning ‘hey wait a minute this will kill the game!’. They have already been down that road and feel that it will not ‘kill the game’.
It could very well result in people leaving. But that has already been taken into account and will probably be lost in the noise of people coming and going for other reasons.
Talk to Turbine and SOE/LA about LOTRO and SWG.
Turbine officially apologized to their players….after 2 years and going F2P and burning on last fumes. SWG…legendary story.
Im sure theyve all “taken it into account” rofl
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?
Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?
Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.
There is a major conflict between players who want gear progression and those who don’t. Ascended is what you get when you try to cater to both.
Exactly. It will satisfy neither. Thats the funny part.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I’m actually quite happy with bad players being forced to wait longer. Good job ANet
Yes. bad players experiment and make better and better builds while “pros” like you have crapped build that aint even best in what they supposed to do.
Rightio bro
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Honest question, why is it that it’s okay that some people can’t live with cosmetic only progression, but it’s not okay that some people can’t live with gear progression?
Maybe ANet figures that the progression demographic will follow through on their threats to quit and the no progression demographic won’t. After all, they can go to other games that feature gear progression. Where can we go?
Progression demographic has games that do progression much bettrer than GW2. Old and few on horizon. And they certanly wont be satisfied with ascended.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I’m under the impression that they aren’t going beyond ascended, can someone show where they’ve stated otherwise? Not “they made ascended therefore…” As far as raw stats are concerned, this game is still largely skill based. Rares can beat exotics.
Everyone was under the impression they werent going beyond exotics.
And they said there wont be new tier…this year.
You can beat “exotics” in whites. But WTF does anybody care about beating someone with no skill?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Weapons are account bound, you either craft those or pray you win the lottery and one that you can use drops, but considering drop rates on other stuff i wouldnt count on that.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
