GEAR MATTERS. STATS MATTER. Having 13% more damage atm MATTERS. And it will ONLY GROW EVERY FEW MONTHS FROM NOW ON.
Ranks were stupid enough already for www, now ascended…PvEers in champ trains…how exciting….
Why does gear matter if someone can do content in blue gear while someone in Ascended is struggling? 13% more damage doesn’t matter at all.
No serious gamer would make a statement like this. In a hardcore raiding guild (in another game of course) if you ignored an enchant that boosted your power 1% you would be looked at like you were from Mars by the guild leader and you would be told to get the enchant by raid time. Every experienced player knows that stats matter.
(+1) I find it amusing, that many people, who does not share the concerns regarding ascended gear, seems to think that the only reason anyone could possibly think that ascended gear is not a good idea, must be because they are either super casual or just lazy.
It might not matter in every single area of the game, but more damage is more damage. I have got away plenty of times with 1 or 2 hp to know that it does make a difference in some situations.
Its not casuals, its not hardcores, its wannbe elitists that dont even know damage formula.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
GEAR MATTERS. STATS MATTER. Having 13% more damage atm MATTERS. And it will ONLY GROW EVERY FEW MONTHS FROM NOW ON.
Ranks were stupid enough already for www, now ascended…PvEers in champ trains…how exciting….
Why does gear matter if someone can do content in blue gear while someone in Ascended is struggling? 13% more damage doesn’t matter at all.
No serious gamer would make a statement like this. In a hardcore raiding guild (in another game of course) if you ignored an enchant that boosted your power 1% you would be looked at like you were from Mars by the guild leader and you would be told to get the enchant by raid time. Every experienced player knows that stats matter.
Yes, because a hardcore raiding guild in another game is extremely relevant to gw2 content.
/sarcasm
Prime example of “how to miss the point”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Fractals. So sick of only doing fotm 48. I cant wait till they remove the cap and they are revamped later this year!
Nope. You’ve been fooled by Anet. What you need is more AR. Anet could have just added infusion slots to Exotics for fractal players. Higher stats were never necessary for fractals. Fractals was just a flimsy excuse that Anet used to introduce higher stats Ascended gear.
True, but anets way of making content harder is adding more health to bosses so the extra damage is nice.
Making harder content that doesnt do this (especially without the trinity) is a whole other topic though
Also, CJ said at PAX that exotics were not intended to be so easy to get. Thats why they added ascended in the first place.
Read my signature.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
The link is a question I posed in the forums. I want to believe that Colin means it when he says that he wants Ascended gear to be the ceiling. I really do. I don’t want to keep investing my precious gaming time in a game that wants to put me on arbitrary treadmills. I love playing multiple characters. I DON’T Alt. I DON’T have a main character. I play them all and I like to play them multiple ways. It keeps the game fresh. The only option I have to do that with now is playing in sPvP which I love(I have a custom arena) but I love PvE as well. Why would I build switch when I have a weapon and soon to be ascended armor that is WAY more powerful when all combined with ascended jewelry. I play A LOT and I just recently got all ascended gear on all 7 of my level 80 characters. It’s not much of a difference with 1 item here or there but when you mix it with Ascended weapons, armor and all jewelry, the stat differences are major. So now I can’t roll my support type stuff on my Ele? I have to sacrifice my damage set on a toon here or there? I realize that I could just go all damage on all my toons. I totally could! I don’t want to do that though. I want to be able to use different utility skills on my whim. I want to run support skills for dungeons on my Ele, Engie, and Guardian, but I don’t want to ONLY run 1 thing while I GRIND for weeks on end for all of my weapons and armor.
If I could have assurances that Ascended was indeed the ceiling, then I would be cool with it.
You wont get any assurances. And deep inside you know why.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I’ll admit I didn’t read the post, however if a good title does its job, I do have something to say:
Ascended is not a new direction in the game. In the PAX interview, Colin said that they always intended for people to put in effort to work towards max gear, however exotics turned out to be much easier to acquire than they anticipated. This is why ascended was released. And there will not be another tier for many years to come. So this is not a new direction for the game at all, just one that they have always been aiming for, but did not execute properly. It will stay at ascended.
Also the increased functionality from ascended is very minimal. You aren’t missing out on much if you stick with exotic. Ascended is meant to be a long term goal to give you the feeling of accomplishment. They are not putting us on a gear grind. Don’t feel like you need ascended right away to succeed. The game has not changed, they have not made it any harder.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Hell, there’s someone in the guild who already forged his first ascended weapon. What did it take him? A week? And he did it without buying the mats on the auction house.
And how long has this person played GW2?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I spent about 20g to get weaponsmithing from 400 to 476. Saying it costs 200g is just silly. Stop QQing, start playing, farm those mithril and elder nodes, kill some champs, do some JPs, WvW, dungeons. And you can have it in a month.
Second thing:
Using all 9 weapons of guardian…. why do you need all of them on ascended tier? stat boost is not necessary. It is already easy to play with exotics. Craft only ascended weapon you use 95% of time. Like Greatsword, or Scepter. And craft it to boost your DPS, not base stats. And then play game, have fun… and after sime time you will find out you have another pile of mats to craft second ascended….
guys you are like little kids who need their toys right after they are released… stop crying, start playing.. nobody needs ascended now. They are just something you can work on for longer period of time.
Yes, they want the game that was advertised:
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Dont worry guys, Anet does not make grindy games™.
But NCSoft does. And they dont want to disapoint their eastern audience.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Win weekly sPvP tournament and you get SUPER-LEGENDARY for use outside of sPvP for a week.
Or, theres a SUPER-LEGENDARY out there in the world, but if you pick it up, event notice goes up for all players, you become attackable by players (cannot enter instances/change maps) and you can attack other players, you get champion stats and if players kill you they get champ loot.
Grinding 1000000 dragonite ore or 5000 champ bags or w/e elite? rofl
And 1000000 dragonite ore would took me too much bank space so no ;P
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You need exactly 6 weapons to get to level 450 on any crafting discipline, and you can even make a profit selling them, or salvage them for Dark Matter. I won’t go above it until they “fix” the Ascended recipies and make them reward exp beyond 450, it’s silly that it doesn’t.
So your plan to craft an Ascended weapon with a freshly level 80 alt includes getting enough mats out of nowhere to craft 6 exotics, and then waiting for ANet to nerf the costs themselves because you say so?
Sounds good to me.
No. I said you will have enough materials to craft an Ascended Weapon not that your fresh level 80 alt will enough materials to get to 500 Weaponsmithing. I never included getting to 500 Weaponsmithing in my calculations.
500 Weaponsmithing is “account bound” you need it only once on your entire account, so I guess I can somewhat justify the cost, it’s a big overhead cost for getting your very first Ascended Weapon but after that it will cost you nothing, you don’t lose crafting levels. Does it have a ridiculous cost? Yes it does I never said otherwise.
As for me waiting for them to nerf the cost, how does it make sense to still get experience from a level 400 recipe but not get experience from a level 450 recipe?
Ah, so if you go out of your way during leveling, and level “properly?” you might get enough mats to maybe craft 1 weapon. Nevermind that you cant level your craft to actually craft it, level another 5 crafts, or another 33 gear pieces you will need just for 1 character 1 build.
Yup, its totally reasonable.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
And in WvW it does matter also for reasons that have nothing to do with it’s stats.
Seeing a zerg train waiting patiently at the camp till the enemy group finishes flipping it, or hearing voices “don’t reinforce walls or build siege, we want them to be able to take it” in chat is something i see quite often now – and it has started only after people counted how much dragonite and empyreals they are going to need.
Yes that’s a big issue. I guess people will always put their personal “loot” above anything else.
Its behavior thats direct consequence of ascended weapons. When you introduce completely conflicting goals, those which seem more important take precedence.
Ascended should be banned from www and stats normalized to exotic. very easy.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
On one hand, the world is busier than I’ve seen it in a long time. Obviously this has worked for them. It has done what Anet wanted it to do.
Thats the removal of culling.
No it’s not. I played the game after the removal of culling just as many hours a day as usual and the world wasn’t as busy as it was after this update.
Its called “streamlining players to farm spots”.
Try some non farm spots once in a while. But then, ascended wont craft itself. amiright?
Nope. you’re not right. I’m not talking about farm spots. I’m talking about leveling my alts in various zones around the world. I’m talking about being in Sparkfly fen today, when nothing else was going on and having half a dozen people join me to fight a champion risen megalodon. I’m talking about entering a couple of the mini dungeons, that weren’t getting much traffic. I’m talking about people running dungeons again. I’m talking about just playing the game.
As you might be aware, I don’t farm and don’t usually hang around farming spots.
I like when you dismiss your own argument.
I’m not dismissing anything. I’m saying that Anet has brought people back to the world with this new update, no matter what you think about it.
They can still funnel people into specific areas at will. What do you think zone wide invasions are about, and why do you think they kept them in the game as permanent content?
Anet has a plan. They may not have shared that plan with us, but in my experience, this company has reasons for what it does.
Just because you don’t understand those reasons doesn’t negate that they have them.
Uh, but i do know NCSoft has a plan and ANet hasnt shared it with us.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
The problem is that ArenaNet needs to keep players active enough to spend money in their cash shop. That’s what puts bread on their tables. For PvP and WvW players there’s plenty of things to do, but for PvE players there’s nothing to do.
I think it’s safe now to say that their dungeons have utterly failed to provide anything interesting to chew on for serious PvE players. People that do them just want the gear and use exploits, 5x berserker teams and cheats to skip as many bosses and be done with the dungeon ASAP, and when Arenanet tried to fix one dungeon (AC) the players found the dungeon annoying and just stopped running it. And I don’t have the impression that fractals have been immensely popular either.
A lot of focused PvE players got to level 80 and then quit because there was nothing else to do. Events are too easy to pose a challenge, dungeons have huge design issues, world champions and other really hard mobs to solo had no rewards (back then), there was just nothing to do it you don’t want to PvP.
Adding ascended weapons (and later armors) introduces a new goal that is going to take a very long time to fulfill. This will keep players active and busy for a long time, and that gives the game a larger pool of players that could potentially spend money in the cash shop. Personally I think it’s a little silly and even hazardous for the game that ascended gear has to have better stats than exotics, and on top of that the devs look a little funny to go 180 on their word, but I sure am glad that there is something to do as a PvE player. I haven’t played the game from April to last August because I just had nothing to do. Now, at least, I have a reason to log in and play. I just wished my gear wasn’t deprecated…
So your goal is to grind a lot of uniteresting and utterly failed things (your own words).
You are aware theres 0 new content or improvements to existing content introduced with ascended weapons.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Last time I checked, you needed 500 in a craft for a weapon. It costs around 180-200g in materials to do 400->500 even counting the money you get back by selling the stuff you craft which is partly stupid since you need to disassemble them to get one of the components for Ascended.
You need exactly 6 weapons to get to level 450 on any crafting discipline, and you can even make a profit selling them, or salvage them for Dark Matter. I won’t go above it until they “fix” the Ascended recipies and make them reward exp beyond 450, it’s silly that it doesn’t.
I don’t believe it requires 200g to get to 500, how many weapons do you need to get to 500 from 450 anyway?
Also, although isn’t so helpful, you only need a single character to get to 500, the more alts you have, the more important this is.
You need 3 crafts to go to 500. And when armor comes out another 3. Do your own math.
And after all that actually craft all weapons/armor you need. And yes eventually you will need it all.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
13% gets multiplied when those small attacks from a zerg start impacting you.
You can down your target faster allowing you to be more useful to your zerg or get killed 13% faster and be a liability to your zerg. When Ascended Armor gets added to the mix now people have higher toughness and vitality thresholds for you to overcome in your yellows or oranges. If your zerg can’t overcome this threshold you will lose the war of attrition.
Ask any WvW commander if they would rather lead a zerg of 40 people in full exotics against an equally skilled and classed zerg of 40 people in fully optimized Ascended gear.
It all doesnt matter because you can pwn bads with no gear at all apparently.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
First of all, there are people doing naked runs of dungeons (absolutely no armor, only weapons), there are people soloing AC/CM/TA at their intended levels, without access to Ascended or even Exotic items. I’ve seen a level 24 Necromancer doing 30+ fotm, it was fun and “unique”. Overall, Ascended gear, and really ANY type of gear isn’t required at all, provided you have enough skill to compensate for the lack of it. I doubt Ascended gear can make much of a difference in large scale WvW battles or sieges either, there are siege weapons to be used, and I’d take a properly built (skill-wise) team mate using greens (for example a support Guardian with a Staff) over a bs Thief in a large scale battle.
As I’ve said in multiple posts, if you are doing a variety things (like, everything in the game) you can get an Ascended Weapon without ever doing the same thing twice.
ascended gear kittens up wvw. it’s not debatable. if it was pve only, i wouldn’t probably care as much—i would simply not get the gear.
such stupidity. no, you’ll have to do the same thing twice, three times, or 10 times, or 500 times. think about all the combinations of stats. dumb. (and amount of weapons)
No it doesn’t. Ascended doesn’t make as much of a difference in large scale WvW battles, sure it affects roamers and duelers a lot, but not large scale combat. Profession/build matters, gear does not.
WvW does not mean large scale combat. you people are something else…
So WvW means dueling? Really?
www is everything from duels to large scale battles, gear matter in all of it, and large scale battles are pretty screwed because of skill lag, so its pointless to talk about skill in those battles since 13% more damage will win out eventually.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
No it doesn’t. Ascended doesn’t make as much of a difference in large scale WvW battles, sure it affects roamers and duelers a lot, but not large scale combat. Profession/build matters, gear does not.
I guess Ascended is completely useless then since it doesn’t matter in anyway. ANet should just delete it all and the game would be better.
There is a huge difference between “not make much of a difference” and being completely useless.
Uh-huh.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If you believe, only because you are a casual gamer, that a casual gamer can’t be required in a game to do some “effort” to get something, even if it requires of them normally more time, than it does for hardcore players, then you absolutely play the wrong game my friend!
Just a word of advice.
Pretty much this.
Some people seem to be either in a hurry or want everything the moment they log in.
Yes, they want the game that was advertised:
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
By the time you reach level 80 you should have enough of the Ascended materials to craft an Ascended Weapon.
Uh-huh. rofl
I leveled enough alts to know, sorry bro.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
On one hand, the world is busier than I’ve seen it in a long time. Obviously this has worked for them. It has done what Anet wanted it to do.
Thats the removal of culling.
No it’s not. I played the game after the removal of culling just as many hours a day as usual and the world wasn’t as busy as it was after this update.
Its called “streamlining players to farm spots”.
Try some non farm spots once in a while. But then, ascended wont craft itself. amiright?
Nope. you’re not right. I’m not talking about farm spots. I’m talking about leveling my alts in various zones around the world. I’m talking about being in Sparkfly fen today, when nothing else was going on and having half a dozen people join me to fight a champion risen megalodon. I’m talking about entering a couple of the mini dungeons, that weren’t getting much traffic. I’m talking about people running dungeons again. I’m talking about just playing the game.
As you might be aware, I don’t farm and don’t usually hang around farming spots.
I like when you dismiss your own argument.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
First of all, there are people doing naked runs of dungeons (absolutely no armor, only weapons), there are people soloing AC/CM/TA at their intended levels, without access to Ascended or even Exotic items. I’ve seen a level 24 Necromancer doing 30+ fotm, it was fun and “unique”. Overall, Ascended gear, and really ANY type of gear isn’t required at all, provided you have enough skill to compensate for the lack of it. I doubt Ascended gear can make much of a difference in large scale WvW battles or sieges either, there are siege weapons to be used, and I’d take a properly built (skill-wise) team mate using greens (for example a support Guardian with a Staff) over a bs Thief in a large scale battle.
When argument comes dow to “you can pwn bads with no gear at all”….your argment is over.
GEAR MATTERS. STATS MATTER. Having 13% more damage atm MATTERS. And it will ONLY GROW EVERY FEW MONTHS FROM NOW ON.
Ranks were stupid enough already for www, now ascended…PvEers in champ trains…how exciting….
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If you believe, only because you are a casual gamer, that a casual gamer can’t be required in a game to do some “effort” to get something, even if it requires of them normally more time, than it does for hardcore players, then you absolutely play the wrong game my friend!
Just a word of advice.
Pretty much this.
Some people seem to be either in a hurry or want everything the moment they log in.
Yes, they want the game that was advertised:
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I do not have a problem with ascended stats or gear.
I would like to see the infusion take on different and interesting effects.
They will take such interesting effect as +11 to stat…instead +5.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
On one hand, the world is busier than I’ve seen it in a long time. Obviously this has worked for them. It has done what Anet wanted it to do.
Thats the removal of culling.
No it’s not. I played the game after the removal of culling just as many hours a day as usual and the world wasn’t as busy as it was after this update.
Its called “streamlining players to farm spots”.
Try some non farm spots once in a while. But then, ascended wont craft itself. amiright?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
im guessing the publisher/other stake holders in the business wanted to see this and forced anet to do so.
Its irrelevant “who” to you as a customer because, in the end, we are here to play (or not) the game.
I would like to point out little phrase “vote with your wallet” but since you cant do that, vote with not playing, not logging in.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
ROFL, when i see this QQ, I must seriously doubt, that certain people must have never heard something about LONG TERM MOTIVATION
I stopped reading right here. Please look up the meaning of “casual player”.
Oh yes I forgot .. the newest type of casual gamer nowadays wants to have put everything free into their a** right when they log into the game ..
How could I have forgotten this only …. /facepalm…
If you believe, only because you are a casual gamer, that a casual gamer can’t be required in a game to do some “effort” to get something, even if it requires of them normally more time, than it does for hardcore players, then you absolutely play the wrong game my friend!
Just a word of advice.
“Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Played wvw every day since this new stuff came out, current total Drag it out ore 53.
Remind me how many I need for even one weapon?
Didn’t capture a single keep or SM in wvw today, so a total of 0 drag ores. They don’t drop from camps or towers. If there isn’t a lot of action or one server is dominating and it isn’t yours, then the chances of getting even one keep during 2-3 hours of game time is pretty slim.
Have passed 1000 of the other material and almost 200 of the other, but drag it out is going to be a real pain.
Why they had to go and make this so alt-unfriendly by making all the drops account bound is beyond me- but then as they think wvw ranks should be character bound I shouldn’t really have been at all surprised.
At the current rate it will take well over a month (or two) to craft one weapon, need 3 for my engi, 4 for my ranger and 3 for my necro as an absolute minimum (although usually I run alternative builds too). That’s 10-20 months just for the main three, and only if I can face running around kissing nodes for the rest of my life.
They did manage to suck all the fun out of the game, ill give them that.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Why can’t there be things in this game that take some time to obtain?
There were many many many things that take time to obtain already in the game.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
This new system gives you the same chance to give you the stats+weapon combo you want as the system for getting Ascended rings from fractals.
Ascended rings from fractals: You get a ring, which you definitely can use, with a random stat.
Ascended weapons: You get a weapon that you definitely can use (as you choose it), with a random stat.
Consider all those people who complained about their banks being filled with useless Ascended fractal rings. This is the same thing in terms of probability of getting what you want.
So Anet learned nothing from the Ascended rings complaints (or chose to ignore).
Oh, no, no, since probably drop rate on thses boxes is much lower than rings, players wont run into such problems ;P
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
To get my level 400 to 500 artificer I have to spend ~200 gold??!!?!!??!?!
200gold for a weapon?!!!??!?!?
How about when ascended armors are out? Prolly 800 gold?!!??!?!??!?!
WTF!
I don’t wanna “work the hardest” for something in the game. It’s a kittening game, kitten .
And you have to do that 3 times so you can actually craft all weapons. And then epic grind to actually craft the weapons. And armor is already knocking on the door so better hurry up!
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Yup, gear treadmill started, they had a chnce to stop it but didnt.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
The people that are happy are busy playing and not complaining on the forums.
Please stop flooding forum with complains!
One year ago, people were whining here about the lack of “gear progression” beyond exotics, about the little rewards for mindless grind, and so on. We told them that people who were happy were busy playing and not complaining on the forums. What did ArenaNet do? They listened to the whiners, and thus ascended gear (and everything in the game since then).
So really, don’t expect your argument to convince anyone. We have seen how pointless whining was very effective in the past.
Game Statistics was very effective in the past !
Forum was not the reason !
Really?
Show me those game statistics.
Actually ive never seen people complaining about lack of gear grind in GW2 even biggest haters. We are supposed to believe theres some mythical mass of people that cannot live without gear grind.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
It was fun while it lasted. One year. Now we have our grind-for-stats-til’-you-get-to-the-fun-part style of MMO. Everybody could get a full equipment of exotics in a decent amount of time. Now we got Karma Nerf and crafting grind. The daily checklist isn’t fun. I guess I follow the people of the six guilds I was in.
Dont worry, a lot of people are in your shoes.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
i do not mind and sometimes enjoy grinding in games where it feels rewarding
in GW2, however, i don’t feel like there’s much of an incentive to do so. meanwhile, it is growing more designed to be that way, which causes conflict as the incentive is not present
Thats happens when you implement half of gear grind treadmill.
Its stats for the sake of stats, nothing to progress to, nada, its most pointless tier on history of MMOs. At least in other MMOs you get a new raid, but no, in GW2 you get to farm what you have farmed hundred(s) of times before…
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
And I thought the WoW community was bad when it came to crying about actually doing something in order to receive something.
Was I ever wrong. Seriously would never have believed this much QQ could be spewed out because of “grinding”. Don’t want to make it? Then don’t make it. Want to be the best? Then do something in order to deserve to be the best. Easy logics.
Don’t want it to be crafting? Well then, come with an example what else one could be doing instead of crafting. Farming badges? Farming WvWvW? Would still be people crying about “grinding”.
The only solution to all this whining would be not to add any gear at all, but wouldn’t that have been a bore. What the whiners don’t understand is that this is implemented for the ones who like it. I truly dislike people who think that just because something is there, they HAVE to have it, even if they don’t actually want it. Its not like this game got endgame raiding with gearscore clearing. You still get to see the entire game even if you don’t have this tier of gear on all your characters.
Uh yes, champion/temple/world boss trains makes you da best.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You don’t think conditions are in anyway unbalanced and need to be changed? lawl.
My warrior gets dropped faster by a condi nec/mes than a GC thief most times, and the nec and mes are more tanky than me.
In PvE conditions suck already.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Your hate of repetition, has nothing to do with the definition of the word farming.
Farming is repetition. You can’t farm without repetition. What are you trying to prove? It’s like you’re grasping, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.
You like GW2. It’s the best game for you. Others don’t, and you arguing technical nuances not only misses the point, it’s not going to convert anyone. Changing how you precisely define something doesn’t make it suck any less.
This is starting to sound very silly.
It’s not silly. You’re just looking at this from a narrow and selective point of view.
What in ANY MMO is not repetitive? Combat? Check. Drops? Check.
Everything you kill in an MMO gives you a drop. If you kill stuff you get drops. Simple logic. Therefore, everything you do could be considered farming…but it’s not. Because farming is a very specific activity. It’s done with intent.
If I stand in one place and kill something, because I’m trying to get drops then I’m farming.
The only thing I could be accused of farming is achievement points. I like achievements and I go for them. As an end result, I often get drops, but I’m not going for the drops.
I can’t think of any game in ANY genre that doesn’t have repetitive play. Pinball machines have repetitive play…but I’m not farming when I play pinball. Baseball have repetitive play. But I’m not farming when I’m playing baseball.
Chess has repetitive play. The game itself is repetitive. You seem similar opening and similar end games all the time….but not one says chess is farming.
The only games that may not have repetitive play are sand box games, like mine craft…and even that can be considered repetitive, since you’re just gathering and building.
There’s no game that doesn’t have repetitive play.
So what is farming, exactly? It’s doing something repetitive with the intention of getting a specific reward. You farm mats. You farm karma. You farm rep (in other games). That’s farming.
Playing the game, repetitive or not, isn’t farming… because the focus isn’t on what you’re gathering it’s on something else.
Otherwise, you could say that Babe Ruth farmed runs.
But Ruth here intentionally did runs to get a reward, so by your own definition he farmed those
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
while spending 2 hours doing nothing but mining iron and empyreals tonight … that feel of massive grind hit me pretty hard. Hope it goes away… but when I look at the amounts need just for … say Deld & Spiritwood … I realy have to ask…. WHY? WHY so many of these lower level mats needed? That’s not gonna get people to play together. Not if they’re spending all their time chasing this junk which pretty much requires you to solo in a really super “FOREVER ALONE” fashion…
It’s really doing the opposite of what it should have done. Just feels like a kneejerk reactions to their huge mistakes on allowing inflation to get so bad in the first place
Noooo, you need just 450 mithril ingots or 550 planks and hundred(s) or so of other stuff, you get that by just logging in for 10 minutes/day to craft apparently
Still, IF they want to enforce this, stats on ascended should be interchangable like legendaries, ok, its a grind to level up 3 weapon crafting skills, its a grind to get just 1 weapon, let alone all weapons you need for various characters/builds but it would at least be done when you finally do.
And yes, a bit more firmer standpoint of no more tiers.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I’m a casual player who plays a lot of hours, but I never grind. I just do what I think is fun, when I think it’s fun. Somehow, I get achievements, gold and karma…without grinding. I don’t know how. I just play the game.
Ah, there we go. You do actually grind for materials.
Not that it wasn’t obvious before, but thank you for the open admission.
You know he said he didnt grind AT ALL….for his 2 legendaries
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I am glad people agree with me here. Everytime I see, this is imba, this is too OP, this is that, it’s generally from the spvp crowd. And I know I am casting a broad stroke here, but if they want things to be truly equal, maybe they should force spvpers to work just as hard to get gear, work just as kitten the new crafting cap to get ascended weapons, and work just as hard to farm mats to stay competitive…then let’s see how eager they will be to ask for nerfs for a specific class/build.
Ahhh, but game was designed with diffrent type of gameplay in mind altogether, where top gear is easy to get in multiple ways, experimentation with different classes/builds is not only welcomed but encouraged, so your whole “problem” is non existant.
Changing their minds on it 2 months after release cannot magically erase design that was developed for 5 years.
You just nailed one of the reasons why introducing new tier of gear, especially in abbysmal rushed way it was introduced is kitten ing some of us off and a very bad idea.
They are literally asking us to spend months “working” on something that can turn to trash in 1 patch. Because game wasnt designed or envisioned that way.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
All failed WoW clones and missing 5-6 million WoW players say hi to you.
All those failed WoW clones are F2P and WoW will switch at some point.
Market is over saturated.
So ANet streamlining GW2 to that type of game is….smart?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I object to the fact that ascended is an unnecessary gear tier (no content that requires it except high fractals) except of course WvW and WvW would not require ascended if the gear did not exist. Until they introduced Ascended weapons Legendaries were just ‘ooh pretty fluff content’ now as it turns out they are the most powerful weapons in the game making the ones of us that did not bother because we dont do fluff very disadvantaged.
Then explain to me how I am running around in WvW just fine with rares. It is not that much of a grind. I am 1/4 the way there and only because I am doing things slowly. I wish I had more time to dedicate to the game. Then I would run a test to see how easy it is to get ascended if you just leveled up your crafting while playing and saving all mats.
I seriously think the biggest problem is this. We are all level 80’s so we are mostly starting from ground 0 when if this was released at launch we would be most of the way done with gathering all of our mats if we played the game normally.
You start from 0? RUSerious?
You start from 1 year of playing the game.
Yes, i encurage you to start a new character and play it like it was your first without any backup and twinks.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Heres the thing, those events that people are doing again would have been getting done in the first place if they were actually fun.
Great now I need to get a mop cause I just blew all your little peon minds.
“You WILL DO IT and you WILL LOVE IT”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I think it’s cute that people condone the constant lack of originality in the video game creation market (outside of Indies).
“GW1 model cannot work today! Why? Nobody tried it and proved it worked, we got plenty of data that shows VP treadmill models work though.”
Right, let’s just spend decades polishing unoriginal copies. If we polish it enough, the shininess might attract some skritt.
Funny how people vote with their wallets, right? If people spend money on these games, it’s because they enjoy them. GW1 was out for more than enough time. GW2 has been out for more than enough time. People have voted with their wallets. This model does not work.
The minority who go against the mainstream models always pretend that their way is superior. It’s the same with COD haters. COD SUCKS MAN, THAT’S WHY IT SELLS SO MANY COPIES, RIGHT?
All failed WoW clones and missing 5-6 million WoW players say hi to you.
All those failed WoW clones are F2P and WoW will switch at some point.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
If the gear is not required for anything, why even have it at all?
Specifically to cater to the subset of players who like that sort of thing, or even feel like they need it to have a compelling reason to play.
To be sure, I’d prefer it did not exist- but my personal desires extend much further than that. I’d prefer there were no stats tied to tiers of gear at all, no leveling up in the traditional sense; essentially no vertical progression of any kind from minute one. But I also understand that this is a fairly extreme position not held by the majority of people who play online games, and don’t consider it realistic. It’s not hard for me to understand why Ascended gear was added to this game, but it is hard for me to be bothered by it, because the implementation is such that it will impact me personally in a very, very tiny way if at all.
Would you prefer that it were required? :-/
“Majority of the people who play online games”
Really?
In fact, majority of MMO players (limit yourself to MMOs at least it will look less silly) are rejecting that cheapo mechanism, or you havent noticed trail of failed WoW clones that were based on that or that WoW so many players that GW2 will never have that many, and it perfected it.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I can’t believe that Orr is alive again! Can you believe that?! That dead island is blooming with life! People fighting avatars, champions, doing group events! And it gets worse… I’m meeting people all over the world! They are doing jumping puzzles mini dungeons and group events just everywhere! And the game feels alive… That must stop!
The worst thing is that they are using their crafting professions again! The same thing that they’ve used only to level up their characters! Horror!
And the WvW went from being absolutely and horribly imbalanced to absolutely and horribly imbalanced! That’s outrageous!
I hope that’s going to stop as soon as possible! And we finally get back to Mario Kart racing, crab tossing and collecting minipets!
Because playing the game as we should be is getting on my nerve again!
And you know what AN? Don’t worry that you lied and changed your mind again. From this:
How is introducing VP[Vertical Progression] respecting the player? Because it’s fun to be challenged and rewarded. Because it’s fun to have the character you play grow and evolve over time. Because ArenaNet (sort of) held a hard line against all VP with GW1 — no VP ever, year after year — and it wasn’t that fun. It was stagnant.
We use purely cosmetic rewards for things that would be outside the reach of typical players. I have an oft-quoted line about that: “If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game.”
Since you’re describing yourself as an average player and asking about average players, it shouldn’t be out-of-bounds for us to give you something new in the game that’s more meaningful to your character than a purely cosmetic change.
But you know what? Just put your tail between your legs and get us back on track! Make the game dead again!
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
In my opinion, ascended gear was the best thing that happened to this game, whether the general population likes it or not. It made people go out into the world and farm for materials, and made them farm not only champions, but dragon bosses, dungeons, jumping puzzles, and everything else. Not only that, but it gave me incentive to actually level up my crafting, which I never had the desire to level up before.
Yuh-huh.
New ANet signature:
“You WILL DO IT and you WILL LOVE IT”
worked good in the past…not lol
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
by the time i reached 80lvl i had not more than 7-8g. I was farming all stuff which i saw during my leveling. I do not know from where you got 30g, but only after clockwork farming during 2 weeks i got about 100g.
Dont worry, majority people were in your shoes.
Those who played www didnt even have that much.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
A lot (i would say most) of people dont care. PvE is so easy that you can slap random combination of gear and still be succesful with little skill. And theyll just play the game until it starts to interfere to much with their playing and then quit.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
“We’ve seen a lot of questions in regards to this after the release of ascended gear: What will the core reward system be for Guild Wars 2 in the future after ascended gear has all been released? We specifically said we don’t want to get caught up in the trap where every 3-6 months the game adds another tier of gear to the game; that invalidates all your hard work and the rewards you’ve earned.” source
Speaking of posts without anything said; I could say the same for your semi-trolling 4-sentence rebuff… :/
Ive “checked” it. They “hope” there wont be new tier. Hope? rofl
You get new gear “to work for” every few months.
Please, stop trolling
Stop trolling?! LOL – ok, you stick to your current belief and moan whatever you like. Maybe actually go away and play another game seeing as this is so game-breaking for you and you being hell-bent on insisting another tier of gear that isn’t announced is incoming, in particular since Anet have gone out of their way in several channels lately to say, no we’d rather do something else to not do that again.
They know Ascended gear wasn’t appreciated when introduced in November, but they did say back then it would be trinkets, weapons and armor, to fill the gap because exotics became a much too easily acquirable tier of gear. Ascended gear isn’t… you do the maths on crafting it now; they got the tier that I think they originally intended Exotics to be, with only the Legendary being more time-consuming. People raged back then; it’s just really silly to see the same rage when the rest of the ascended gear now does get released over half a year later… didn’t you critics kitten enough about it back in November – in fact, didn’t half of you quit and swear to never come back…
I’m fine with the change as it stands now; I’ll be really surprised if the do add more levels but if they were to, I’d be very interested to see the justification. But I remain firm in my belief Anet stay true to their words now.
“Justification” will be exactly the same as it was in november.
+they will make you grind so much for new gear that it will put Korean grinders to shame. I dont think you actually realize what they intend to make you grind for even within this tier (if they continue on the direction they are now. If they change direction you can thank me later, though ill be long gone)
I’m guessing you haven’t actually played very many korean mmos to make that claim.
Im guessing you are too distracted by the new shiney to see past next week.
But thats ok, some people have to learn hard way.
Uhm…okay? I’ve played korean mmos. Guild Wars 2 is nothing like them.
So yeah.. not sure what you said has to do with what I said.
And I can see past next. I see the week after that when they’ll be updating a world boss or two and maybe adding a few other things.
And further down the road to when I can start crafting a precursor weapon or two. And then maybe some ascended armor.
All the while having fun playing the game when I feel like it and not playing when I don’t.
I guess this is where we differ. If I don’t like something I stay away from it. It seems to me that you tend to gravitate towards things you dislike, which I find kind of odd.
Armchair psychologists are da best.
As i said, some people need to learn hard way.
Clue me in. What am I supposed to learn? Am I supposed to only enjoy what you do and think what you do or what? Is it up to you if I’m enjoying the game or not?
Your short posts that attempt to be witty aren’t quit delivering your message.
lol, yes they do.
Okay so you really don’t have a point at all. Gotcha.
Keep on whining that anet didn’t do what you want though. I guess that’s working out well for you.
I’m gonna go play me some korean mmo. I mean GW2. Gotta grind out my carrot.
good. and dont forget about your daily chores
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
