I’m honestly asking, but if people say increased MF will increase exotic drops, why will this not increase precursor drops? I am no expert, so maybe there is something I don’t know about that you all do.
When you have almost 0 chance to get something, 300% increase to almost nothing is still almost – nothing.
You may get bit more blues/greens though
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Hardcore? I consider myself an old school hardcore mmo gamer. GW2 is 100% kitten, there is no hardcore content. The only thing hardcore-like going on is Anet leading one huge farming zerg from end to end of the game world and back again, so much so they are going to flip Tyria over like a boat with too many people running to one side all of the sudden. Like one day you are doing the fire ele with five other people, the next day 250 people are there… and your connection drops heh. The only thing I see hardcore is Anet kiting MOB’s of farming zergs. Anet is hardcore, we are just the MOB’s lol
Wait till whole ascended tier is here, then calculate how much time/resources/grind you would need to get just 1 set for 1 character 1 build from scratch.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Even 1 WoW dev recently whined about players reacting in a certain way and not some other. Ironic thing is: WoW conditioned players for years to react that way, what did he expect lol
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I can’t believe there are people that don’t consider this all to be a big grind.
It’s more that they crave the grind. Persevering through a long tedious task is a sign of endurance and strength. They can stand before their peers and say “I have done this ridiculous stupid tasks for hours on end and thus I get +3 to my power.” This, I must assume fills some void or tickles their pleasure centers in some way.
Basically, they dream of being Sisyphus.
They have been conditioned by previous MMOs to react that way: google Skinner box
Even 1 WoW dev recently whined about players reacting in a certain way and not some other. Ironic thing is: WoW conditioned players for years to react that way, what did he expect lol
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Those who feel that Arenanet “Lied” need to realize that their opinion of what a grindy game is, is different then what Arenanet, and many players, opinion of what a grindy game is.
For what it’s worth, at least the leveling curve in GW2 is flat. I have played crazy Asian MMOs where the amount of XP needed from one level to the next is exponential.
I think most players are unhappy with the fact that there is a huge time commitment required to get the ascended weapons. The time commitment doesn’t come in the form of # of hours required (although a significant component), but the fact that it would take weeks of crafting to fully gear out one toon.
For example, my WvW mesmer uses a sword, focus and staff. Assuming I get no weapon drops, and my progress is gated only by the daily crafting limit (i.e. no shortage of crafting materials), it would take 6 weeks before I have all the weapons I need. Any day where I don’t log in to craft is a day lost, for good; progress can’t be made up on the weekend. When a game has a zero-sum component to it, it becomes a chore rather than an enjoyable past-time.
I know I don’t have to log in daily, or that maybe it doesn’t take a long time to refine 1 ecto, but the fact is that at some point in my day I need to get on GW2 or I delay my progress.
And consider this: you spend 6 weeks grinding mats and logging in religiously to craft your weapons…and then they nerf your build to he ground and you need new weapons.
Its FUN i tell ya!
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?
And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.
Wrong…again.
Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.
The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.
And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….
Up until someone told me that Blizzard made it so that you can see all the raids without having the gear from the previous raid, I didn’t know they did that. But before they did that recently, you had to grind out the current Raid over and over and over again till you can get the gear so you can get to the next fun part, and this has been true for every other MMO I have ever played. Guild Wars 2 is literally the first MMO I have played since 1999, that did not need any kind of grinding in order to get to the fun parts.
Arenanet set out to make a non grindy game, and they did it fantastically. Legendary are not needed for anything, ascended weapons are not needed for anything, ascended gear is only needed for Fractals, and you can get those by just completing the levels and you are not stuck on the same level of fractal till you get gear to get to the next fun part.
So no, it is not the same as every other MMO, which makes you wrong.
And as i said, you lack experience and thus make wrong claims.
Noone cares about 1999 or 5 years ago.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Let’s assume that Ascended weapons are grind and we want to get rid of it.
We should be fair and remove all grind then.
You need to grind to get rewards in dungeons. So remove the tokens.
You need to grind to get exotic weapons, remove them.
That leaves only rares which are easy to get. So why not remove all the types and just stick with common which we can all get. Since we do not want to grind.
Same with weapons, trinkets, etc..
Then why not just let everyone choice everything they want at the start of the game like PvP. Grinding is gone.
Loot is then only gold, otherwise you can get grinding since we do not want to play a lot of time to get something. Actually, you no longer need gold since you get everything at the start. We can remove that too. Same with karma, laurels and everything else.
We just play content. I haven’t played this kind of boring games but is it Minecraft? (never played it so I can be wrong that there is grind)
I feel like this is an adventure platform game then and not a MMO or is that just me?
And if so are they playing the wrong genre?
Too bad Minecraft is 10x more popular than GW2. You were sayin?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
You aren’t seeing the bigger picture. They nerfed karma rewards across the game. They introduced expensive karma recipes for ascended crafting. They added in karma only mats for crafting.
They are starting to move towards karma being a useful needed mat again. They need to drain the current supply of karma from players using these recipes and one off purchases. Once that is done they will almost certainly start introducing more karma based rewards and further reducing karma gains throughout the game.
In a few months time karma may be an important reward from events.
I wouldn’t laugh so hard… What Zudet says is exacly what’s happening. Don’t go spending all of your karma just yet.
The only problem with what him and you said is the fact that this game been out for 1year… people have millions of karma lmao. A change to it does absolutely nothing
It does 1 thing (whole karma nerf): makes it harder for new players.
And doesnt really matter for someone with 3-5m karma.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?
And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.
Wrong…again.
Actually eisberg.2379 is correct, there isn’t a game content that require Ascended Weapon or heavy grind to do, and every update living world event is open to anyone and everyone, every grindy content (i.e.Legendary, Ascended gear) they are all optional.
The only content that I can think of which require gear check is “high” level fractals, which is totally optional, and low level fractal is still open to anyone.
And its the same in other MMOs therefore he is wrong. But he has been explained that same thing at least 10 times by now soooo….
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Aren’t they all the same, at least in this aspect? It’s a serious question. I assumed from the way this one is headed and what I’ve read that it’s all one great big gear grind. In which case, no thank you. I’ll crawl back into my single player cave.
More or less you are right. It just depends what skin you prefer:
World of Warcraft skin (WoW)
Lord of the Rings skin (LOTRO)
Conan skin (AoC)
Star Wars skin (SWTOR)
No name skin (Rift)
Guild Wars skin (GW2)
Final Fantasy skin (FFXIV)
…
…
…
There are few that deviate but are niche and mostly very hardcore.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Sadly, I do not take much solace in the interview text. In particular, I am concerned in the statement that he “hopes” no future tiers are needed.
Here’s how I interpret it: Currently ANet feels that the time needed to acquire ascended gear is sufficient for player retention purposes. However, it sounds like ANet still believes that increasing gear stats is a viable method to retain players, if player retention starts to go south.
If there’s one thing I know about the general MMO community, it’s that people always want to chase a larger carrot. How long will it be until these players reach full ascended and start clamoring for their newer carrot? How long will Living Story and horizontal progression retain these players?
no real need to wonder, just go to launch and fast forward 2 months.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
It may be ANet but it’s also still NCSoft. Honestly, the game being about grind should’ve been expected.
F2P content centered around a Cash Shop.
Gind, grind and more grind for new shiny skins.
Borderline cheap combat mechanics (stun chaining, stealth, etc.)
WvW where NPCs are involved making it PvPvE.
Welcome to Aion Wars 2
Edit: I forgot about all the RNG.
Pretty much, it cannot really be shaken off that NCSoft just told ANet to streamline the game for the eastern market, as i guess they now bet on WIldstar for the west.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Would you mind transcribing the exact quote: question and answer? Can’t watch the video ATM.
Basically he says ascended is the last tier of gear your gonna see, not counting legendary’s.
Basically he is saying NOTHING like that.
Basically he is pretty much not saying anything about it. “i hope there no new tier” rofl
Oh and look, one more of these misleading threads.
You need to read his whole answer not just what you want to hear.
“The tiers that we have are what we like. We’re really happy with them, with the time it takes to get them and I don’t see any need, any time in the near future for us to even consider adding another tier of gear.”
They were also happy at launch. Took 2 months to cave in to the whiners.
And yes, they still have a crapload of tier to release, enough grind to put Korean grinders to shame, and then it will probably be level cap raise which will obsolete ALL your gear.
True dat
Cave into the whiners, huh? And if they changed it to what you wanted now, how would that be any different.
Everything in life is about perspective. You see them as caving into the whiners. I see them as making a tough business decision that probably wasn’t that comfortable for them. I do believe they were probably in panic mode.
The next time you invest millions of dollars into a project and you see it struggling, let’s see if you cave into the whiners.
Any proof on ANYTHING you say? No? Thought so. Perspective.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin did say that they want Ascended to be the last tier- thank the six!
Housing! YaY!
I watched this as well. He said that “he” hopes it is the last tier. He did not confirm that it will be the last tier.
He said he didn’t want to say it would be the last tier because 7 years down the road they might change their mind or someone might even buy the company, but as of now, there is no intention to add more tiers.
That’s a whole lot more than just he “hopes” it’s the last tier.
Why not just come right out and say it? Because any time anyone says anything, if it later changes at any point, people start calling Anet liars. I don’t blame him for hedging his bets.
So you agree that it is all pretty meaningless and if they change their mind they can announce new tier tomorrow.
Thank you.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Would you mind transcribing the exact quote: question and answer? Can’t watch the video ATM.
Basically he says ascended is the last tier of gear your gonna see, not counting legendary’s.
Basically he is saying NOTHING like that.
Basically he is pretty much not saying anything about it. “i hope there no new tier” rofl
Oh and look, one more of these misleading threads.
You need to read his whole answer not just what you want to hear.
“The tiers that we have are what we like. We’re really happy with them, with the time it takes to get them and I don’t see any need, any time in the near future for us to even consider adding another tier of gear.”
They were also happy at launch. Took 2 months to cave in to the whiners.
And yes, they still have a crapload of tier to release, enough grind to put Korean grinders to shame, and then it will probably be level cap raise which will obsolete ALL your gear.
True dat
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
They have to resort to cheap ploys like loot and progression to keep players engaged.
Except that these are all anyone seems to be asking for…
They’re simply giving their audience what they want, although perhaps not in the ways they prefer it.
What audience. If you mean east market youre on to something.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
“This game doesn’t have any end game.”
“This is boring game, with no challenge whatsoever.”
“I leveled very quick, got my armor, finished Personal Story, now i don’t have anything to do anymore.”
That’s why. Arena net, as Colin Johanson stated, made a mistake with making game too easy, by making armor and weapons too simple to aquire. Now we can see that devs are working on repairing that. So kudos to them.
Yes, because obviously when people asked for more content, the solution was to add gear grind.
And most pointless gear grind in history of MMOs mind you. You get bigger stats for sake…of getting bigger stats rofl
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Here is a simple fix my 7 year old son came up with.
“Dad, why not put the ascended gear on the trading post?”
“Well son….ummm…Good question?”
MIND = BLOWN
Give this kid a job. Its a better solution than anything Arenanet has come up with.
ANet is hiring i heard. Hes just right for game director though
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
I’ve been playing this game, have 4 80’s, almost 5, and i have NOT felt the grind. i literally walk around and gain levels on my Mesmer, i just do dungeons for fun then BAM i somehow have full gear.
Thats how game was advertised and thats how they wanted it to be. Then made 180 turn 2 months after release.
When whole ascended tier is out…good luck gearing just 1 character for 1 build with ascended lol
And it WILL be HUGE difference in character effectivness.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
For a min/maxer sure, but for a normal player who wants to do dungeons, WvW, etc they don’t need that.
WvW isn’t just about zergs you know. I couldn’t care less about ascended gear if it didn’t affect wvw. Have fun being hit by a glass rifle warrior for 20K damage via killshot, because it will happen (my thief with 14k HP and 2600 armour was insta-downed once by said rifle warriors, and this was only with ascended rings and the backpiece).
The time-constrained nature of ascended weapon acquisition is even worse. It is 100% spending 2 weeks getting ready to have fun, vs having fun itself.
Yes, and, as i have suggested before as easy solution, reduce stats for everyone in www to exotic and problem solved.
But noooooo….
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Yea, one of the selling points and attractions to GW2 was that it was NOT a grindfest. But they seem to be going back on that, so what’s the point in playing GW2 over others MMOs?
And it still isn’t, no grinding required to play all the content of this game, unlike other MMOs.
Wrong…again.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Well maybe Anet want that people start to put their RL money to the game and buy gems and change them to gold and lower gold to gem prize in that way. But not all players have RL money either to put some MMO game.
Bingo. Preparations for East market launch.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Would you mind transcribing the exact quote: question and answer? Can’t watch the video ATM.
Basically he says ascended is the last tier of gear your gonna see, not counting legendary’s.
Basically he is saying NOTHING like that.
Basically he is pretty much not saying anything about it. “i hope there no new tier” rofl
Oh and look, one more of these misleading threads.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
When WHOLE ascended is released (armor/sigils/runes/infusions) were looking at 25-30% damage increase.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
When whole tier is out (armor/sigils/runes/infusions) is out were looking at 25-30% damage increase.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
With WHOLE ascended (armor, sigils, runes and infusions) we are looking at 25-30% damage increase.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
do you think an ascended weapon would make any little bit of difference on liadri?
snip
Its more than 5%, but i guess you conveniently forgot it.
You also forgot to include full ascended vs. full exotics difference.
Its not and I included a full set… The full set improves your stats by 11% but your armor is only 1/2 the stats so overall your improvement will be 5%
Wrong again.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
People … it’s time to say farewell to Guild Wars 2. Tag me if you know another good f2p mmorpg to play instead (i’m 100% serious, can’t keep up with this grinding crap forever).
And you’re going to find a free to play MMO with less grinding?
That’s pretty funny. Good luck with that.
GW1?
Not an MMO. Try harder.
GW2 has the least grind of all commercial AAA MMOs I’ve played. As for GW1, let’s not forget the amount of money or time it took to fill the HoM, let alone max Luxon. But it was all well spent.
Can you tell me what AAA MMOs you have played longer than one or two months?
For me, it is:
WoW, Tera, GW2, Neverwinter, Rift (all longer than two months).
GW2 has the most grind, by far. Tera is a close second, but I still give it to GW2.
This is personal opinion, you cannot state something that has so many variables. I have 3 legendary weapons, 3 level 80’s and all decked out in mostly exotic/ascended gear, all professions and 3 extra level 400’s.
In WoW I was only ever able to grind to max gear 2 times before new tier was introduced. I only ever got one legendary weapon and spent 4-5 years getting it. I’m sorry but it’s not even close. GW2 is by far the less grindiest MMO I have EVER played. But that is my opinion, it’s not a fact, don’t spin your web of lies spider man.
Like fairy tales much?
Sorry, I’m talking to someone who actually played WoW, even for a short time, not you.
Uh-huh.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
despite Ascended equipment giving no real damage bonus over exotic.
Uh-huh
Says all about how you roll.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
In which you will get naturally by just playing it. I haven’t meet anybody who had to stay on the same level of Fractal and playing it over and over and over again till they got the gear they needed. Everybody I know who went through the fractals, got their gear naturally, without ever having to play the same level over and over and over again. That is why it is not a grind
You get gear naturally grinding WoW raid. So what?
Yes, you get it naturally by GRINDING WoW raid. This is different than getting the gear naturally by going from one level of fractal to the next never having to repeat the same level over and over and over again. In a WoW raid, after you have completed the raid once, the challenge is really gone, you are now just going through the motions to get the gear you needed, with no challenge. In the fractals, you are not stuck on a level grinding it to get the gear needed to be able to play the next level. If you were stuck on the same level to get the gear you need, that level would be easy and no challenge since you already completed it once.
WoW has a grind to continue on to the next challenge, GW2 Fractals have no grind to get to the next challenge.
Dont overexagerate. Once you know what to do in fractal its the same. Fractals arent some ever changing and evolving stuff, its same crap over and over again gated by agony.
It is not just agony that is ramped up, the actual difficulty is ramped up as well. Mobs become more powerful and can have more spawned than the previous times. Mobs can have additional skills they can use. And again, you can complete the first 10 levels and see all the content without ever needed ascended gear, this in contrast to WoW where you have to complete and repeat the same raid over and over and over again in order to see the next raid. In WoW if you want to see all content, you have to grind, in GW2, if you want to see all the content, no grind is needed at all.
Wrong.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
In which you will get naturally by just playing it. I haven’t meet anybody who had to stay on the same level of Fractal and playing it over and over and over again till they got the gear they needed. Everybody I know who went through the fractals, got their gear naturally, without ever having to play the same level over and over and over again. That is why it is not a grind
You get gear naturally grinding WoW raid. So what?
Yes, you get it naturally by GRINDING WoW raid. This is different than getting the gear naturally by going from one level of fractal to the next never having to repeat the same level over and over and over again. In a WoW raid, after you have completed the raid once, the challenge is really gone, you are now just going through the motions to get the gear you needed, with no challenge. In the fractals, you are not stuck on a level grinding it to get the gear needed to be able to play the next level. If you were stuck on the same level to get the gear you need, that level would be easy and no challenge since you already completed it once.
WoW has a grind to continue on to the next challenge, GW2 Fractals have no grind to get to the next challenge.
Except WoW now has LFR (read: easy) mode and they plan on adding a Friend and Family (read: infantile) mode to the raids. In these modes you can wear rare-equivalent gear and still defeat the bosses.
That makes real raids optional if you just want to see the content, and the situation is again comparable to fractals.
Thanks, i dont think they are aware that other games have evolved. LFR is in WoW since MoP i believe.
SWTOR, for instance, has Story (dumb) mode, Hard and Nightmare modes since release. Even Story mode drops some useful tokens for gear and you can faceroll it just to see content if you want.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
To me, a game is only a grind if it requires it to enjoy all the content. In WoW, you had to do the same raid over and over and over and over again till you got your gear so that you can enjoy the next raid, that was a grind. In fractals you get enough ascended gear naturally by just going through the fractal levels, and even then you don’t need ascended gear for the first 10 levels of the Fractals, and there are only 10 different levels of fractals. So after completing the first 10, you have seen it all, and every other time after that is ramping up the difficulty of the same 10 dungeons.
So again, no need to grind to enjoy all the content this game has to offer. Not having Ascended or Legendary gear is not going to stop you from enjoying and completing all content that this game has. This is in contrast to other MMOs where you are required to have certain gear in order to enjoy and complete content, and more often than not you have to repeat the same content over and over and over again to get that gear.
So WoW and GW2 are pretty much same, since all you need top gear for are latest raid/fractal.
Thank you.
In WoW, you have to do the same raid over and over and over and over again, to get the gear you need (always at the same difficulty, actually the raid is easy once you have completed it one time). In the fractals, you do not need to stay on the same level and play it over and over and over again to get the gear needed to get to the next level. In the fractals, you will get the gear needed to complete the subsequent levels without having to repeat the same level over and over and over again.
So no; not even close to being “pretty much the same”
You grind same fractals over and over again. Funny thing is, when they finaly raise agony (levels) you will still grind same fractals over and over again while in WoW you at least got new raid
You still do not need to repeat the same level over and over again to continue onto the next level. Also, if you are only interested in playing through the content, no ascended gear is needed to see all 10 levels, you do the subsequent levels if you want to challenge yourself, but you are not required to stay on levels 1-10 till you get gear to get to level 11. Fractals are still not a grind, WoW raids are a grind, Fractals are not. You do not need to grind in order to see all the content, and you do not need to grind in order to see the next level of difficulty, this is the complete opposite of WoW.
Its exactly the same, even worse as i have described above.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
In which you will get naturally by just playing it. I haven’t meet anybody who had to stay on the same level of Fractal and playing it over and over and over again till they got the gear they needed. Everybody I know who went through the fractals, got their gear naturally, without ever having to play the same level over and over and over again. That is why it is not a grind
You get gear naturally grinding WoW raid. So what?
Yes, you get it naturally by GRINDING WoW raid. This is different than getting the gear naturally by going from one level of fractal to the next never having to repeat the same level over and over and over again. In a WoW raid, after you have completed the raid once, the challenge is really gone, you are now just going through the motions to get the gear you needed, with no challenge. In the fractals, you are not stuck on a level grinding it to get the gear needed to be able to play the next level. If you were stuck on the same level to get the gear you need, that level would be easy and no challenge since you already completed it once.
WoW has a grind to continue on to the next challenge, GW2 Fractals have no grind to get to the next challenge.
Dont overexagerate. Once you know what to do in fractal its the same. Fractals arent some ever changing and evolving stuff, its same crap over and over again gated by agony.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.
Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.
raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?
WoW is another game. We are talking about GW 2.
Did you read to what I responded? We are still searching for some content that is required to have ascended that you have to grind for. You can play Fractal of The Mists fine without ascended if you pick lvl 1 – 9. And if you do want higher, you don’t need to grind for it.
The point is, people complain first then look/think.
Until you actually know what you responded to its pointless to discuss.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
People … it’s time to say farewell to Guild Wars 2. Tag me if you know another good f2p mmorpg to play instead (i’m 100% serious, can’t keep up with this grinding crap forever).
And you’re going to find a free to play MMO with less grinding?
That’s pretty funny. Good luck with that.
GW1?
Not an MMO. Try harder.
GW2 has the least grind of all commercial AAA MMOs I’ve played. As for GW1, let’s not forget the amount of money or time it took to fill the HoM, let alone max Luxon. But it was all well spent.
Can you tell me what AAA MMOs you have played longer than one or two months?
For me, it is:
WoW, Tera, GW2, Neverwinter, Rift (all longer than two months).
GW2 has the most grind, by far. Tera is a close second, but I still give it to GW2.
This is personal opinion, you cannot state something that has so many variables. I have 3 legendary weapons, 3 level 80’s and all decked out in mostly exotic/ascended gear, all professions and 3 extra level 400’s.
In WoW I was only ever able to grind to max gear 2 times before new tier was introduced. I only ever got one legendary weapon and spent 4-5 years getting it. I’m sorry but it’s not even close. GW2 is by far the less grindiest MMO I have EVER played. But that is my opinion, it’s not a fact, don’t spin your web of lies spider man.
Like fairy tales much?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
To me, a game is only a grind if it requires it to enjoy all the content. In WoW, you had to do the same raid over and over and over and over again till you got your gear so that you can enjoy the next raid, that was a grind. In fractals you get enough ascended gear naturally by just going through the fractal levels, and even then you don’t need ascended gear for the first 10 levels of the Fractals, and there are only 10 different levels of fractals. So after completing the first 10, you have seen it all, and every other time after that is ramping up the difficulty of the same 10 dungeons.
So again, no need to grind to enjoy all the content this game has to offer. Not having Ascended or Legendary gear is not going to stop you from enjoying and completing all content that this game has. This is in contrast to other MMOs where you are required to have certain gear in order to enjoy and complete content, and more often than not you have to repeat the same content over and over and over again to get that gear.
So WoW and GW2 are pretty much same, since all you need top gear for are latest raid/fractal.
Thank you.
In WoW, you have to do the same raid over and over and over and over again, to get the gear you need (always at the same difficulty, actually the raid is easy once you have completed it one time). In the fractals, you do not need to stay on the same level and play it over and over and over again to get the gear needed to get to the next level. In the fractals, you will get the gear needed to complete the subsequent levels without having to repeat the same level over and over and over again.
So no; not even close to being “pretty much the same”
You grind same fractals over and over again. Funny thing is, when they finaly raise agony (levels) you will still grind same fractals over and over again while in WoW you at least got new raid
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
Going lvl 10 or higher is optional, not required.
And you don’t have to use the weapons they added to finish it.
Uh oh, you should probably go back to read what you responded to.
raiding in WoW is optinal, noone says you have to raid. Is there any point in all of this?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
In which you will get naturally by just playing it. I haven’t meet anybody who had to stay on the same level of Fractal and playing it over and over and over again till they got the gear they needed. Everybody I know who went through the fractals, got their gear naturally, without ever having to play the same level over and over and over again. That is why it is not a grind
You get gear naturally grinding WoW raid. So what?
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Let the ascended weapons drop already, crafting everything usefull in a game is a bit too much like work. I’d like to play games to have some fun Anet, remember fun…
Ascended weapons DO drop. You get a box that lets you CHOOSE a weapon out of a stat set. If that isn’t generous, please tell me what is. They could have just as easily made ascended weapons only attainable by crafting.
And precursors drop from everything. If that isnt generous i dont know what it is. They could have just as easily made precursors only available by Mystic toilet.
lol
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
To me, a game is only a grind if it requires it to enjoy all the content. In WoW, you had to do the same raid over and over and over and over again till you got your gear so that you can enjoy the next raid, that was a grind. In fractals you get enough ascended gear naturally by just going through the fractal levels, and even then you don’t need ascended gear for the first 10 levels of the Fractals, and there are only 10 different levels of fractals. So after completing the first 10, you have seen it all, and every other time after that is ramping up the difficulty of the same 10 dungeons.
So again, no need to grind to enjoy all the content this game has to offer. Not having Ascended or Legendary gear is not going to stop you from enjoying and completing all content that this game has. This is in contrast to other MMOs where you are required to have certain gear in order to enjoy and complete content, and more often than not you have to repeat the same content over and over and over again to get that gear.
So WoW and GW2 are pretty much same, since all you need top gear for are latest raid/fractal.
Thank you.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
do you think an ascended weapon would make any little bit of difference on liadri?
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Its more than 5%, but i guess you conveniently forgot it.
You also forgot to include full ascended vs. full exotics difference.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
Only when you go lvl 10 or higher.
So it is not required.
Try again
It is required. For lvl10 or higher.
Your logic…
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
You can enter www at level 1.
Try it and then get back to us.
Four of my level 80s entered at level 2 and that’s where I did the vast majority of the leveling process. Besides, you can do WvW fine in rares, exotics, etc. Where’s the gating? Fractals, I done a lot of that in exotics. Don’t see any gear gated required grind in there to proceed. Just the need for agony resist which you get fairly easily.
So, i should be at a disatvantge just because i refuse to grind crap?
And yes, its REAL MEASURABLE disatvantage that is getting BIGGER AND BIGGER
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
OK, now that I have your attention, can someone please show me where the required grind is in this game in order to be able to proceed to the next tier of content? I seem to be having trouble finding it. I tried going into WvW without ascended gear and was able to… is there an ascended only WvW? I visited and helped beat Jormag, assorted invasions, dungeons, jumping puzzles, etc. and haven’t been able to find the gated content beyond those that require ascended gear… can someone point that out to me? Because until I find it I’m having a difficult time accepting that this type of optional grind is anyways close to violating the “not a grindy game” concept ANet originally spoke of. Yes, I see optional grindy things for those that want the longer term goals, but the required stuff… I can’t seem to find it. Help me out people!
You can enter www at level 1.
Try it and then get back to us.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
what happened? to many players? too much money? ncsoft pulled the noose?
Probably all 3 combined. $$ flashed, manifesto flushed
The truth is they are preparing for eastern release and are reworking the game to fit the standard of “Korean grinder”.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Gear wars 2 ,Farm wars 2 , Grindwars 2.All of those is what gw2 has become instead of actually having guild wars.A tittle that doesn’t even relate to their game in anyway….
I like Grind Wars 2 the best. Its most fitting
Even the grindosaurs are complaining about time gating and not about collection of the mats.
Make a new character and play from 1 to 80. Can you make ascended gear when you turn 80? No.
How far are you from full exotics? Not far.
How far are you from full ascended? Months. Not even counting the armors to come.
Now tell me this game isn’t about grinding for gear.
Months? Have you actually look up how to get stuff or did you just read a bunch of wrong posts in this thread? I am a casual player (10 hours a week max) and I can manage it in a month.
The only grind there is in GW 2 is legendary. But hey, there has to be some grinding.
Nah, just moments ago someone with 2 legendaries claimed he didnt grind AT ALL and hates gear grinds
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
Nobody asked for a new tier of gear and we CERTAINLY didn’t ask for such ridiculous requirements to create them.
Actually, this is wrong. Some people did, a lot of people did actually so your argument is null and void.
I bet chinese farmers are quite happy.
Yes and no. A lot of mats are account bound so you have to farm them yourself.
Nah, in few months they are getting Korean Grinder they always wanted
(not gold farmers)
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
The only part of the game directly affected by ascended weapons is WvW.
There is no content in PVE that requires Ascended gear to complete so for a purely PVE player there is no particular rush to get the weapons as he is not at a disadvantage against the mobs without them. Also, most purely PVE players are probably well on their way to having Legendaries done.
S/TPVP players are not affected in any way by Ascended gear as it does not apply to that part of the game.
WvW players that do not get the ascended weapons are at an immediate disadvantage to the ones that have, also a far lesser proportion of WvW players will have Legendaries.
Its not the end of the world by any means but it will most probably be the end of world v world along with Guildwars for a lot of people that are only still playing the game for open world rvr.
Yup, at least they will clear the space for PvEers for champ/karma trains for grinding new and higher stats gear all the time.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
