Guild Wars 2

Alad QB.8904:

Mister Mustard.7203:

First, ask yourself why you play the game.

Is it so your server is at the top of the list?

If so, for a fee, you can move yourself to a server at the top of the list. Problem solved.

Or, do you play the game to have fun when you log in?

If so, I don’t understand the fascination with what happens when you’re not online.

I think for most people, yourself included most probably, it is the fascination of what happens when you are online, and outnumbered 10 or 20 to 1, because of people from remote time zones playing on your time-zone server while your people are asleep. What do people do in such cases? They shrug and log off. Or have you never found yourself in this situation? If the numbers were small, nobody would notice them or be bothered, but they’re not. If this happens once in a blue moon, it wouldn’t be an issue.

You have to admit that, for some players, for example in the Americas, it is considered advantageous (a valid tactic, even), to play WvW on European servers while the Europeans are sleeping, don’t you think? Or vice-versa. Because you can gain points against a sleeping server. That’s the root of the problem. Like a football team arriving 5 hours early and playing the “game” by themselves, against no one.

For the first bit, if you’re playing in off-peak hours, but one or both of the servers you’re matched up against has a large population during those times, there is admittedly not much to say, except for maybe, “thems the breaks.” The one thing no one can do for you is ensure something like WvW is explicitly fair at all times; I think it’s not intended to be.

So again, if you’re playing relatively alone on your server at off hours, against servers with large populations during that time, really the only two options are 1.) hope for a better match up next week, or 2.) transfer to one of the top 3 servers, which tend to have more around-the-clock coverage.

For the football analogy, it’s really more akin to a team leaving at halftime than one showing up hours early. There are time “rules” to both WvW and football: Football has a 60 minute clock, WvW has a weekly clock. If a football team only plays 30 minutes, they would expect to lose against a team that played a full 60. Similarly, a server which plays 12 hours a day should expect to lose to one that plays a full 24.

Kaga.7629:

Wow, i was expecting a reaction but to be described ( essentially) as some kind of basement dwelling cheetos troglodyte in the first page is super awesome !

Mister Mustard.7203:

… U mad bro?

Stay classy champ.

This thread is the epitome of taste and class, I’m just trying to keep up.

First, ask yourself why you play the game.

Is it so your server is at the top of the list?

If so, for a fee, you can move yourself to a server at the top of the list. Problem solved.

Or, do you play the game to have fun when you log in?

If so, I don’t understand the fascination with what happens when you’re not online.

Kaga.7629:

There’s a lot of hate directed at dragonbrand because of their off-hours coverage. And yet the dragonbrand guys keep insisting the afterhours krew has nothing to do with their victory.

My idea is simple : with the new “fuzzy” matchups, why don’t you put them against a top EU server like vizunah ? Let them have their own dogfood of fighting an enemy that’s up while they sleep, and see if they like it.

Are you just sitting around at the house thinking of ways you can dump on another server in a video game?

Are you muttering to yourself about those rat-kitten Dragonbranders and their army of Asians?

Does it bother you so much that people from outside your time zone play the same game you do, that you have to dream up scenarios so they might lose?

… U mad bro?

Also, you could just check the history , Dragonbrand finished 3rd the last two weeks against TC and FA. If you’re foaming at the mouth to see us lose, you can just stare at that page for a while. Let me know if it helps.

Kryopsis.6081:

Mister Mustard.7203:

I just want to make one point: Why is someone a poor sport if they don’t want to play the game exactly like you do?

I don’t think they’re the ones being the poor sport.

Laugh emotes, saying, “look at the score,” and insulting people who want to do things differently than you are all examples of poor sportsmanship in my book.

I assume you are from DragonWagon so I am not surprised that the definition of fair play eludes you.

By fair play, do you mean when, where, and how you want to play? Because that’s exactly what it sounds like to me.

Kryopsis.6081:

gallion.4316:

to the mag Mesmer from [ME], we fight, you start to lose, your zerg wipes me, you /laugh.. I only wish there was an emote for times like this, its called /looksatthescore and then /laugh

I think you are misinterpreting his /laugh emote. It was simply joy at finding a Dragonbrand player who didn’t run away from a fight. You should feel privileged! In fact, I was roaming around all morning and every time I’d run into a lone DB-er, he’d either run away or occupy me to give his ally time to arrive and 2v1 me. I’ve never seen such poor sportsmanship in WvW. It’s surprising that Agg didn’t uproot and move on to a better server yet; I think they’re just feeling charitable when they gaze down at the unwashed, uneducated and cowardly masses of DB.

I just want to make one point: Why is someone a poor sport if they don’t want to play the game exactly like you do?

I don’t think they’re the ones being the poor sport.

Laugh emotes, saying, “look at the score,” and insulting people who want to do things differently than you are all examples of poor sportsmanship in my book.

I just want to know which Dye you got around 2:30?

Always entertaining and informative, and thanks for the Iggy Pop.

And congrats on 30k!

Richard Nixon.6573:

IBountyHunterI.4601:

DB native here, not liking the DB 2.0…

We need to learn to communicate better, EBG was a mess tonight.

From my point of view, I thought we did fine. I got on when SeaBear and Maggy Pie were pushing our 1/3 together, and got us down to just our keep. They kept pushing, one after the other (think there was one push where they clashed, but for the most part, one would wait for the other to wipe before pushing). After 4 or 5 wipes, including a fight in our keep with lag to rival 3-way SM combat, we were able to start taking supply camps.

Maggy Pie’s population seemed to disappear after a few wipes, and we started taking back our towers. As of this moment, we just regained our 1/3, without losing our WPed keep.

Granted, I couldn’t see what happened before then, but we did just fine while I was there.

It looked like Mag jumped to DBBL and took a big chunk of it, hence the low PPT in the prior screenshot.

When we only had our keep in EBG we actually were still leading PPT until the very end.

I had a blast defending that keep in EBG, it was pretty hectic with some giant zergs from both sides. I thought the push SBI had when they first broke their wall was going to be our doom, and it probably would have if Mag had been able to get inside a little quicker.

And yes, when both servers are coming in opposing walls in your keep, if you hold it you did just fine.

Hanes became a corporate sponsor, thus the Commando class has been nixed.

Xirin.8593:

The Goat.1940:

robocafaz.9017:

EnRohbi.2187:

Because that’s what just about every person on this game does…?
One person is their entire server, didn’t you know?

And despite what they try to teach you in grade school, conforming to society is highly encouraged.

My humor once again goes unappreciated.

Calvin.5380:

It’s just that a few sore losers on forums always give Maguuma a bad name. They don’t represent Maguuma, the server.

Maguuma has always taken pride in our chest-pounding and forum warrior-ing. We don’t care about PPT, we don’t care about keeps, we just care about that #magswag.

magswag always reminds me of the question “Would you like fries with that?” I heard all mag players work the drive thru…. FACT!

Are you insinuating that we should judge people based on their socioeconomic status and form of employment?

It’s about as valid as judging people on what they do in a video game.

The emotional insecurity of this thread is amazing not surprising at all to me.

Rawr.5930:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Rawr.5930:

Mayoken.9851:

Does TC have EU guilds or just massive pop that goes in from differen guilds as militia?

You’re full too mate.

Pop differences arent the driving force in the disparity.

Right. Remember the status quo:

DB hacks can only PvDoor during SEA time.

TC / FA clear the map in EU time because of amazing skills.

Population =/= Coverage.

DB’s SEA being so massive just doesnt leave very much pop space for other time zones.

We all work with the same population, but different coverages, just happens that SEA/Oceanic is the most “valuable” slot to have overwhelming numbers in.

EDIT: Currently both TC and DB are FULL, so population wise there really shouldnt be too large a disparity if any, you have the bodies but they just arent showing – evidence is FA, at very high but seemly having more participation.

In the original context, I think he was asking about what you would call EU coverage, not total server population. Thus, I took your response as saying that the point disparity in EU prime time was because of a difference in skill, not coverage.

Also, I just want to mention the population distinctions (Full, Very High, etc.) are vague at best. I’m not arguing that TC and DB don’t in fact have very similar populations, I’m just saying that it’s not a very accurate descriptor, and I’m not going to form opinions from it. It’s like trying to describe a person and all you can offer is their skin color.

Rawr.5930:

Mayoken.9851:

Does TC have EU guilds or just massive pop that goes in from differen guilds as militia?

You’re full too mate.

Pop differences arent the driving force in the disparity.

Right. Remember the status quo:

DB hacks can only PvDoor during SEA time.

TC / FA clear the map in EU time because of amazing skills.

Jayne.9251:

Hadan.2841:

jayne secretly loves my troll post, even tho she says otherwise

Oh I do actually. Because every time you post it paints a lovely picture of who you are, lol. I don’t even have to say anything.

I always picture Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds, except he’s saying, “NUUUBS! NUBS NUBS NUBS!!!”

Evalana.5480:

This thread makes me sad…. why so much BT hate? We’re not even here anymore and you guys are STILLBTBTBTBTBTBT. Move on….

Well, to be fair it started with your fanboi saying BT left because everyone was scared of them.

So, naturally, folks try to put him in place by being equally obnoxious, and it’s just escalated from there.

It’s all nonsense really.

Middzz.1490:

Can anyone explain the extra ie more than normal ,lag that only occurs with certain DB guilds .Not once twice but consistently ?

And no not numbers even if that guild is small running group the lag spikes consistently.

Wonder why is more than just coincidence ?

It’s our patented Event Horizon of Awesome. A complex blend of haxx0r, colliding atomic particles, and Wagon trains.

Vash.9183:

So yeah, I know it must not be organized, but FA and TC both definitely target DB. I don’t mean around the clock 24/7. You can’t be too angry at the people who “cry” about a 2v1 when it does stress people out and we actually lose numbers due to it. TC bl is always lacking red bases around this time and FA bl is always missing green bases around this time. Not saying there is some alliance in any way, but it does boil down to this every night. Sorry that some people make a bigger deal out of it than the others.

Perfectly said.

I don’t like it when people “cry” about it, as I feel it’s intended to happen on occasion considering the design of the game. I think it’s silly to call the other servers cowards and whatnot.

But clearly DB has a huge bullseye on its back.

And I forgot to add, even if an active, intentional, planned 2v1 were happening … why would that be a bad thing anyway?

xDudisx.5914:

FrankieBonez.8361:

I love how all these DB posters whining about 2v1 have become to voice of Dragonbrand.

Check the post history people. The old guard don’t care about 2v1, we’re used to it, we expect it, and we love it. It’s these skinny jean, young bloods that can’t take the heat.

Let it run it’s course, lot of these whines are probably first time WvWers. Active WvWers should know better.

So is your argument say that people that expose the 2×1 situation are noobs? I’ve been playing wvw long enought to know what I’m saying.

Yes, that makes it even worse.

Look, you’re welcome to think TC & FA are in cahoots and actively trying to 2v1 us. You may be right, anything is possible, but I consider it highly improbable.

There’s also another scenario of how things may have played out. TC went south, FA went north, on their own accord at similar times. And because our forces are split trying to defend two fronts, it’s smooth sailing and they keep pushing. That’s what I personally believe was most likely. I may be wrong, I have often been wrong, but that’s more logical to me than your tin hat theory.

Hadan.2841:

Come to FA bls!! we may only have 2-3 on at a time but NR loves to fight ppl in open field.

If you hadn’t heard, TC and FA aren’t fighting each other this week month. Unfortunately, they have to be bored fighting our Arrow Carts on high.

Bonedoctor.2796:

Competitive ?
All I see is a cowardly Tc and FA double teaming us since day one ! Neither of these servers has a lick of honor . As I type this , TC has there 75 + man zerg hitting one side of our keep ,and FA has there 75 + man zerg hitting other side ! Not bothering to attack one another . We have 35 people maybe holding atm and you STILL cant take it . If you had even a lick of digninty ,you might have the skill to get it from us . But as it stands ,its blatantly obvious why you insist on this alliance amongst yourselves . Your players skill base is laughable . And now we ALL know why ! Keep grinding Db ,these clowns aren’t worth the slightest bit of our respect .

I can’t find one bit of anything you said I can agree with.

I’ll keep it short and simply say, if YOU had a shred of dignity, you would tighten up in the face of adversity, and strive to overcome. Instead tossing tears and insults everywhere.

Also, you could always go take their keeps while they’re fighting each other in ours.

I’m very curious about the recent trend of DB being so absent in the afternoon EDT. Last Thursday and Friday we were knocked very low, and again the last 3 days this week. Are finals over or something? But I have to believe DB has an equally proportionate number of collegiates as TC and FA. It’s just odd to me.

Shifty.7104:

Well , sigh just sigh.

I had lots of confidence in the changes you had made to the game arenanet until now, this is simply going to be zerg fest rolling over under prepared servers that neither have the coverage or population to deal with it, untill it becomes zergs vs doors.

Incredibly bad move.

I think the point is, yeah you might get stomped one week. Then you might stomp the next. Then you might have a tight, intense matchup the one after that, and against servers you might not expect to be so close.

The very top and the very bottom could potentially get stale, if you’re always winning or losing; but in a sense you already were anyway.

At any rate, I’m more than happy to see what it’s like for a few weeks before I pan it, and I actually think it’ll be fun.

Harrish.8743:

Odaman.8359:

TC offered us 30k gold, still considering the offer. FA doesn’t need BT to stay in T2 I don’t think, but hopefully they get an influx of pve players coming out to pull some weight since they cry so much about wvw bonuses.

Bah, where’s the fun in that? Let’s have an auction.

On behalf of TC I’ll open the bidding at 2 slightly used wizard hats, a 20-sided dice, 4 dozen cookies, an autographed Commander Busey beach towel, and a personalized sonnet composed by one of our traveling RP bards.

Dragonbrand offers a dusty trail, a creaking wagon, and most likely, dysentery.

Hadan.2841:

6pm est. your NA should be on. but hey 1 more guild wont hurt!

When I looked around 4:30 edt we were at 80. That would be 9:30 in London.

Thus, we ticked 80 during EU prime time.

Cause we’re ticking for 80 during EU primetime?

That’s my guess.

I’m hoping to see a winner up, loser down system, but I’m not holding my breath. My guess is they actually keep Glicko, but adjust the formula so ratings are much closer together, resulting in more volatility. I guess we’ll see soon enough.

Drakh.3128:

nalenb.1425:

Would you believe I had 19/20 downed before they killed me? Hehe, TC is my favorite opponent by far.

So by WvW “not going well” is “what we want”…still tanking your score for a ranking system which is changed in a week (Glicko)?

Yeah, I doubt the Glicko manipulation strategy is really necessary, but have they actually mentioned how it’s changing yet, aside from the vague “it’s changing”?

1. Vabbi
2. Fissure of Woe
3. Ferguson’s Crossing
4. Eredon Terrace
5. Henge of Denravi

From most to least stable.

phaneo.4597:

Mister Mustard.7203:

random piece of garbage

So, a couple (two people) looking to play with friends on another server is the same as guilds of over 300 members transferring? Ooookay, maybe!?

I’m excited to think you may have taken that seriously.

But for the record, in fact I do think they’re the exact same thing. Either way its people looking to enhance their experience; whether it’s 2 people or 200, it’s the same motivation. Who are you, me, or anyone else to judge what these people choose to do?

ghtchill.7613:

Hello TC! Okay, now some of you need to log off once in a while. Silke and I are trying to get in! Stop being full Some of you need to get jobs already I demand you open a window to let Chill and Silke in! We don’t need Gems, we has those. We need a window….just a little one. We’re skinny…promise.

Rescue us from the oppression! Come on now you can do it…send me a PM when the time is right. We come bearing beers and cookies and good Maguma bacon….they drop it like crazy.

Oh and great match. Go TC and everyone!

Oh, you dirty, evil bandwagoners! TC is leading T2 for a few days, and here they all come. Hope you got enough room on the wagon, TC. If you look up and see a crotchety old fart shaking his fist at you, that’s me; you dirty, low down bandwagoners!!!! Now GET OFF MY LAWN!

Am I doing this right?

Asudementio.8526:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Excalibur.9748:

DB just ticked +500. What’s happening to TC and FA? Are they falling apart?

I’m going out on a limb to say it was a tongue-in-cheek post due to a couple of the earlier “what happened to DB?” posts.

It’s just a guess, but what do I know.

You will find these forums not so kind as to accept that. We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Oh snap.

It’s about to get REAL up in this piece.

Excalibur.9748:

DB just ticked +500. What’s happening to TC and FA? Are they falling apart?

I’m going out on a limb to say it was a tongue-in-cheek post due to a couple of the earlier “what happened to DB?” posts.

It’s just a guess, but what do I know.

Vash.9183:

Blackelk.3784:

Vel.1653:

oh god. aggression icoa and the cult of the noodle all on one server. Im almost tempted to transfer to a tier 2 server just to fight you guys for the months it will take you to get out of there.

This is seriously Christmas come early I cant wait to feast on your tears if you ever make it to tier 1.

Thinking of it myself since they will never make T1 as a whole lol

This guy is mad. Keeps posting on anything to do with Dragonbrand and he’s not even in tier 2 lol

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-76qldGHBk”

Niim.9260:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

In my view every time you get lots of transfers you end up robbing a server of its sense of achievement, its ability to measure growth and progression for a period of time. DB got to T2 on its own muscle, but because of transfers it never got to see how that version of the server stacked up in T2, to test how much they had improved since the last time they played FA and TC.

Your team analogy in my opinion misses the mark because you are not recruiting talent, you are recruiting coverage. If that same team started playing with an extra player on the field, how much respect would they get?

The overall sense of accomplishment in this game, the value of PPT, is always going to be diminished as long as it continues to be about getting more instead of getting better. We are fighting over points that are more impacted by coverage then strategy, how is that rewarding?

I use the team analogy, because as you pointed out, coverage = talent in this system.

It’s not my ideal scenario, but that’s what it is.

Asudementio.8526:

I’m not claiming higher ground. We took a lot of flak and nastiness for trying to recruit in our weak timezones; expect the same.

From last week’s thread:

Asudementio.8526:

Look look! FA did the same thing we are doing that makes it right!!! Own it DB or should i say WB- its okay to do what you do but you’ll get flak. No big deal right? Own it.

It’s only okay to mimic bad behavior if you do it, but everyone else is held to a higher standard?

Aurust.8961:

How would you feel if tier 1 players came into DB LA and started spamming recruitment messages to shore up their coverage?

Let me say that I personally would never do that, I feel it’s base and classless. But, and I know this is hard for some to understand, I have no problem with people doing it if they feel it’s in their best interest. I have seen other servers in our LA on several occasions, and I simply ignore them.

Asudementio.8526:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

The comment you responded to was trying to say, if i am not mistaken, that if your response to a stronger opponent is to just recruit more and more until you just win by throwing bodies at everything you won’t get much respect.

But more bodies is the only reason the opponents are stronger in the first place. Was there a deadline to have your people by to earn some “respect”? I must have missed that memo.

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

WIGZ.8245:

That ppt while ppl work or sleep:

All ppt happen while people work or sleep?

Exosferatu.2961:

Aurust.8961:

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

And I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!

IBountyHunterI.4601:

Im going to be honest here, this week is like the first week I really cant get into WvW.

It has been almost non stop zergs roughly the population of a small island and arrowcarts practically cross mapping me.

I really can’t get into it either.

But it’s because the wife is ~8 months pregnant and the nesting instinct is kicking my kitten I’m pretty sure I saw some Krait taking notes from her.

Thresher.3049:

Plague does ok in the latter stages of what is already, mostly a win, against baddy players that run around going 1,1,1,1,1,1,1…. which will get you by some days, some days are easy.

A group that knows what they’re doing? Its often better to stay as a regular necro, because there are a number of things plague locks you out of performing some important support functions for your group- condition removal, healing, crowd control, buff ripping… basically all the things that bad players, don’t think wins their group fights.

Because, you know what will end your fun?
Me ripping that stability buff off with 1 of 3 things, that I will always have 2 of at hand, pretty much keeping you either in perma-imobilise playing punt-a-necro ball. Or if I really dont like you, I’ll load you up with more nasty conditions (that you cannot clear) than a $2 hooker’s underpants drawer, then blow it up, killing all your friends.

Plague is a double edged sword.
Don’t drop it and expect to win all the time

That goes for any ability though, there are counters for everything.

I find it extremely effective when the other zerg’s melee ball tries to run into ours, I can load up on the blinds and chills, and if my stability gets stolen I’m not overextended in their back line.

Or, yes, against the weaker opponents, it’s a lootbag creating machine.

Aurust.8961:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Kain was a different animal, gaining enough players while still in T8 to be a T2, arguably T1 caliber server. Of course that was all compounded by free transfers and their eventual end, but the point remains.

Kain was no where within sight of being tier 1 caliber. To put things in perspective… the BG that completely dominated tier 2, received a huge chunk of SOS guilds to push into tier 1, then when KN collapsed they received the majority of their forces except CO.

With all of this, BG was crushed this week.

If you’re the 4th server, you can’t get much more in sight of T1 without being in it. Whether or not they would have been competitive weekly is irrelevant.

kulugo.7549:

score update

OMG ALL THIS NIGHT CAPPING PVDOOR TC WHY DONT U MAN UP AND FITE WHEN IM NOT AT WORK K?

This is going to be an exciting Friday!

Maniac.5163:

Mister Mustard.7203:

fragmented.9854:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Iconik.8712:

8k deficit made up over night?

Dragonbrand has closed insanely worse deficits before. You haven’t participated in competitive match-ups in a long time huh? Or did you trick yourself into thinking Dragonbrand was this sort of super-monster-server and T2’s match-ups were decided already? We’re a T2 server just like FA and TC – 99.8% of Dragonbrand knows it – certain posters just hyped us up and you seem to have bought into it.

Read my previous post on p.13

No I think dragonbrand tricked itself by challenging TC/FA to get them below 200 ppt. Yeah, we won’t forget that one.

Bulletin board material is exactly that, but I seriously doubt it’s a factor even worth mentioning in the actual score.

I’m not buying it. The forum stuff spreads like wildfire, at least on FA.. pretty much every WvW based guild has at least a couple people lurking, plus the server VoIP and zone based chats/private forums tend to mention topics from these forums often enough.

I’m not saying people don’t know about it. I’m just saying that I don’t think the end result would be different either way. Perhaps it would be, and it’s a difficult thing to quantify so there’s no way to know for sure. I just feel in the end, motivation can count for a lot, but what happens when the other side is just as motivated? And how much extra motivation was that one comment versus all the other troll comments?

Hickeroar.9734:

There’s also the fact that overall, TC and FA are -very- stable servers.

TC got a handful of transfers a couple weeks ago (and I think FA might have as well), but overall, the people who are on TC stay on TC. The same goes for FA. We both have burnout weeks, and we both come back strong every time. We have an incredible amount of “server pride” and most of us wouldn’t transfer off regardless of WvW performance or standing. We’re far more similar than we would probably like to admit. :-P

DB will just have to be careful to avoid the KN scenario. A lot of people transferred to KN with the hope that KN would end up a T1 server. When it became clear that that wasn’t going to happen…KN fell apart. I don’t think DB, as a whole, has massive aspirations for T1, but some of the recent transfers might. If they can hold on to them anyway, that’s awesome. If they can’t, they will just have to be careful that they don’t suffer as a result.

I’m by no means pronouncing doom and gloom for DB, just hoping they don’t end up the latest in a long stream of stuff we’ve all seen before.

If we suddenly lost every guild that transferred over recently, we’d be bouncing between T2 & T3. I realize that the idea of an eventual collapse being as simple as subtracting the newer people is a bit absurd, but I think it does show we’ve got a pretty solid core of loyal players as well.

Kain was a different animal, gaining enough players while still in T8 to be a T2, arguably T1 caliber server. Of course that was all compounded by free transfers and their eventual end, but the point remains.

fragmented.9854:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Iconik.8712:

8k deficit made up over night?

Dragonbrand has closed insanely worse deficits before. You haven’t participated in competitive match-ups in a long time huh? Or did you trick yourself into thinking Dragonbrand was this sort of super-monster-server and T2’s match-ups were decided already? We’re a T2 server just like FA and TC – 99.8% of Dragonbrand knows it – certain posters just hyped us up and you seem to have bought into it.

Read my previous post on p.13

No I think dragonbrand tricked itself by challenging TC/FA to get them below 200 ppt. Yeah, we won’t forget that one.

Bulletin board material is exactly that, but I seriously doubt it’s a factor even worth mentioning in the actual score.

Richard Nixon.6573:

Just looked at the ratings based on current scores (the end scores are likely to be approximately what they are now). DB will be losing about 5 rating points, leaving us at around 2,020. JQ, who will be in third next week, is losing about 40 points, and should end up around 2,140.

If JQ stabilizes, it’s going to take a massive collapse of either TC or FA (and at least two weeks of demolishing them) for DB to move out. The same goes for TC and FA. And considering how competitive our matches have been, that isn’t likely to happen.

The next few weeks are going to be interesting, with the spotlight on where JQ ends up- will they end SoR’s surprising push into rank 1? Will they collapse? Will they find equilibrium such that they have enough rating to stay in tier 1 and out of t2’s reach?

I find it interesting that JQ plays such a heavy role in the future of tier 2. But anyways, good fights all around, loving the match-up!

I’m personally in no rush to go anywhere; this tier has been rather enjoyable from a competitive standpoint. And while there are many out there who like to count their chickens before they hatch, I’d rather just make an omelette.

Meridian.8730:

I know all you mesmer fans love it because it’s soooooo easy to abuse…but anyone can see phant mesmer needs a massive nerf the size of Australia. Why? Well let’s see…unavoidable without 1-2 dodgerolls, is not blindable, crits extremely often, very easy to produce quickly or rebuild, and VERY high damage…it’s like having total OPness without even lifting a finger yourself or having any personal risk.

This does not belong. It is very broken and OP. Fix please. Thanks!

Oh and mind wrack, 6-8k + 3-5k with sword #2 skill?….in about 1 second? Instakill broken too!

Funny, every time I try to use a phantasm ability when I’m blinded, it just goes on cooldown and no phantasm spawns. I wonder if my opponents could use that to their advantage?

I guess not since I just roll my face around on the keyboard and get 25k crits lololz.

Efface.8460:

BAITness.1083:

Asudementio.8526:

Dhampyr.2104:

Asudementio.8526:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Welcome to DB – Omen Gaming Community! [OMEN]

all aboard the bandwagon, choo choo.

Don’t hate. Hopefully they’re an NA prime guild. DB could use more help during that timeframe. More fun fights for everyone.

Welcome to T2!

I’m not being hateful, i’m calling it what it is.

Like every server hasn’t had transfers. Our transfers just happen to be awesome and incredibly good looking.

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Hello TC & FA, remember me, my name is January

Seriously.

Wasn’t FA “Isle of Jaspenwood” for a while? And I seem to recall TC claimed a number of CD guilds at the very least, and I imagine there were others.

In typical fashion, it’s all fine and well when someone transfers to your server. But they’re bandwagoners if they go elsewhere. And, heaven forbid they actually left your server – then they’re maggots who were never worth your time to begin with.

Having said that, I understand poking fun at those who always have to be on the winning side. But ‘to cast the first stone’ and all that.